Post: #10951

(08-07-2016 12:18 PM)redpillage Wrote:  I really hate to burst your optimistic bubble Parzival but I just don't see it. In the past year I have not seen one single event that would lead me to believe that Germans have any fight in them. Sure, in line with their inherent nature they will try to solve this problem logistically, peacefully, intelligently, and with utmost diplomacy. But when it comes to standing up against bullies you need to also know when and how to use the stick.

Germans get a lot of blame to be cucked and have no pride for not taking action. I have pride to my country and faith to my people but then I hear its a bubble. Next questions is, what kind of action? Burning refugee camps? It happen. Vigilante groups? It happen.
Just today I'm back from a festival, I see several areas but what I don't see is mobs of migrants commit crimes. So there is nothing to step in and when there are attacks on girls, we just get a piece trough the media. Had there be bystanders or not? Many small festivals have now security and more police, at least in my area.

Furthermore, what actions should be taken? Beat them up? Hunt them down? Burn the camps? Isn't this arbitrariness? What makes us the better civilization? Its human rights, its law, its judge in a fair trial. Become a mob that hunt down people with brown skin isn't better like any arab mob. Its not only the issue to stand up and fight, you need the moral at your side too to rise the spirit. For me I believe in a society with rules and laws. Beside all that stuff going on, for most Germans live is quite normal. They don't face any danger. So there is no pressure to take action. As I said the bigger issue is the slow change by more and more hijiab women, Muslims pop out 4 kids instead the 1.4 of Germans and it get more and more. Its not that all the Muslims are violent pricks. They just take over slowly certain districts and the Germans move a way. Thats the conquer strategy long term of Islam. But this happen all over Europe, so its not only Germans. For me this is now the peak of things. The critics about Islam get louder and louder and I'm sure at one point this will get the upper hand. When the official agenda of multiculturalism and pro Islam are just empty words - what they are mostly anyway - the wrong tolerance for Islam will be gone. Now they start to question the DITIB - the Turkish Islamic Union more and more. They mention the origin of offenders in the reports now. The change did already happen.

Of course the question is what should be done? Deport all muslims? Bring back race purity? What should be the final solution? Wouldn't it be enough to track down all criminals and religious fanatics? All I can say, things happen every day but they are hard to catch just by news reports. I don't doubt the faith in my own people. But I also don't see me gain anything in the long run to go on a rampage. I also don't see this in other European countries. Personal I worry more about the lack of reforms in Germany and the long term collapse - including masses of muslim welfare abusers - then I fear the crimes that you read about daily. Yes about 30 % of them commit crimes and with 2 Million people this are 600,000 crimes. But you don't hear about women get raped in masses nor Germans get beaten up or killed on a big scale. Last year one German got killed by a refugee.

Post: #10952

(08-07-2016 05:28 PM)Parzival Wrote:  Furthermore, what actions should be taken? Beat them up? Hunt them down? Burn the camps? Isn't this arbitrariness? What makes us the better civilization? Its human rights, its law, its judge in a fair trial. Become a mob that hunt down people with brown skin isn't better like any arab mob.

Nothing against you personally, but this whole morale superiority attitude is what get Germans/French in this mess in the first place.

You are trying to solve problems caused by barbaric, uncivilized child rapists with "human rights and civilizations". Might as well go all the way and give them candles and love?

In real life, the bully doesnt stop beating you because you say "I dont hate you" like some retarded SJW dreams. The only way to deal with bullies, is to beat them back with force.

That is why you are paralyzed in trying to find a solution. Get this, they have none of such silly restrictions. There's nothing civilized about watching Somali immigrants pissing on the Champs Elysees or raping your blonde teenagers next door. There is nothing just or civilized when I, as a legal professional immigrant, has to pay taxes and wait for long years before getting citizenships, while that filthy rapefugee is popping out ten kids and collect welfare (which I help pay for) and get naturalized automatically.

Yes, beat them up, throw them out and if they try to come again, warn them and if not working shoot them. Not that the Europeans have the ball to do it any way. We are just seeing the Fall of the Roman empire all over again.

Post: #10953

(08-07-2016 05:28 PM)Parzival Wrote:  Of course the question is what should be done?

Working on rising with the tide

What Germans, and Europeans within each specific tribe, have to worry about is their particular ships having the ability to raise and lower with the tide instead of being swamped and sunk by it.

That's the challenge that this emergency presents. Europeans will adapt under the pressure or they will sink. Clearly, they weren't adapting without the pressure; leaving them potentially more vulnerable to worse emergencies than this one.

Imagine if it wasn't 1 million immigrants that came, but rather 10 million. Africa's population is set to double in the next generation. This current test is the smaller test, and an opportunity to adapt in a large way.

Necessary Half-Measures

The EU needs to be dismantled OR the leadership ousted and replaced with an entirely different power structure. Vestiges of the communist leadership need to be routed. Treaties need to be suspended and either forgotten or renegotiated. Fences need to go up, and national guards need to be bolstered. Migrants need to be moved to island camps that are not within the legal protections of the EU. Examples need to be made. The prospect of this fate will stall others from coming.

But even those measures are not a permanent guard against being swamped by the tide. Communists can again rise, and fences can be taken down. Europe will still be fragile, as it has ever-been.

A Permanent Full-Measure

What Europe needs is to become antifragile.

This is accomplished through sociopolitical culture, not armies, border fences, nor occasionally nationalist leaders.

It is accomplished through a culture that insists on preserving its identity, insists on building its own wealth to the exclusion of outsiders, and enforces cultural habits that reinforce inter-personal cooperation across the larger group and down through generations.

Only this type of system can insulate the group, and reinforce its political power to the degree that it can rise with any tide and be certain in its ability to survive.

Europe needs a new culture. A new religion. A new ethic that focuses on the bedrock of protection: the willingness of two people to closely cooperate toward a common goal, and the willingness of people to cooperate through successive generations.

How it Works

Political power for a group = increasingly effective interpersonal cooperation x number of individuals.

This learned willingness for cooperation always starts at the family level, and the skills are later applied at the community level. There is no skipping levels for something like this to work.

The individualism that results from a fractured family culture is a non-starter. The ethic that comes of a loyalty of a husband to a wife, of a wife to a husband, and the resources that are given to each child, is later extended to the group at-large in an appropriately adapted manner.

The higher level group cooperative skills and worldviews that are learned in a culture, with strict conservative family values, eventually extends to the wider village, town, and city as long as the people are all of the same group and can thus culturally and cognitively relate to one another.

The result is close and effective group cooperation across the group and across generations, and thus the political power that can repel foreign groups from usurping wealth, land, and cultural space.

The culture also serves to lend a stronger notion of "us" vs "not us", a notion that is reinforced by the culture's own success, and this reduces tolerance for non-performing outsiders.

Wealth and knowledge is amassed and transferred down through generations. Functional family, and thus functional community, and thus functional group, and thus functional civilizational values are emphasized. Groups who function on similarly high levels can cooperate to repel groups who do not. The culture serves to keep the group's self-interest optimally protected and prioritized.

Communism specifically undermines the family to undermine the political power of the populace. The result is the inability to repel foreign groups who are either supported by stronger enemy groups (i.e.: the current migrants) or who are stronger themselves.

How will this new culture emerge? I'm unsure.

Judaism is currently the best example of it. Though, I'm not suggesting that you convert. It works for their group because they are a race unto themselves.

We are not them in the same way that they Syrians are not us, and thus we do not share their mind-space as others do not share ours (respective to your specific tribe).

Thus, because cognitive-emotional differences between individuals weaken their ability and willingness to relate to one another and cooperate, Jewish converts actually weaken their group cooperative ability and thus their political power in the same manner as migrants weaken our community cohesiveness and thus our political power at its foundation. This is why they do everything in their power to discourage or steer away sincere convert prospects.

The culture could work for us as an isolated group who applies it, but I'm also not exactly suggesting that. Mormonism is another good example, though it is increasingly internationalist excepting for fundamentalist groups. That could also be a temporary face to show the globalists. The Mormons used to be pretty based.

I'd like to be able to point to a shiny new system that is still in its box, just waiting to be opened and applied. Such a thing may not exist, but the civilized world is certainly literally dying for its invention. The requirements of the engine are known. The chassis, which will carry this system through Europe, needs to be designed.

Post: #10954

One common theme I see with europeans who over rationalize what's happening is that they feel insulated by it. They live in areas where they don't see it so they often view things as being "exaggerations of the right" or "city problems."

This is the modern dilemma with placing individuality and material concerns over your ethnic identity. You start to view all problems as external events that have no influence on your daily life so people develop a blind spot to real threats.

Back in the day when your nation or city-state was threatened by foreign invaders people took that shit seriously because it meant the barbarians might soon be pillaging your town and raping your sister. It usually took them awhile to reach you so people would start to prepare weeks and months beforehand if they were lucky enough to receive warning.


This was how it was back then but here you have actual invaders raping and pillaging and the majority european response is to over rationalize. To downplay. To view it as a mild nuisance to their own material comfort.

Material comfort and individuality has shielded them from the harsh realities of the savage world. With no ethnonationalist unity in these countries they will fall one by one.

Post: #10955

Guys I agree with you. My response was more to the - all is lost attitude.

We need to be clear that there is a difference between them and us. Cultural superior and inferior, this lead to different values and habits. To safe and protect what is ours we have to make a strict stand and show zero tolerance. This means Islam is not equal. Every show of Islamic habits or religious signs in public will be punished. What I will not touch is the personal faith and believe of a person in private.
We have to ban all Mosques or at least stop all Imans that are send from Turkey, Saudi Arabia or similar and also the financial support.

When Migrants commit crimes, I don't want to see a German mob, I want that the police kicks their front door at 4:30 am and arrest them all. Then migrants to go special prisons and after they get deported. If they can't be deported then we build up camps in the middle east.

Furthermore we need a change in attitude. Those people shouldn't face understanding. They should face the feeling, I don't belong here and feel that uncomfortable that I will leave. Hell they shouldn't be here at the first place. We need tight migration laws that, if we take migrants at all, they can fit and bent into society. We need education about pride and our group. I complete agree to catch them all and just deport them. Don't care about cries of tolerance and human rights. Human rights belong to humans, not those people. I don't see them as equal as me. For this people of the local community have to do protest when there is a camp, when they strife trough town and then yes, attack them. The attacking mob depends from where you look at it. From the now situation yes, from an working government that actual takes care of the own people? Then there is no need for a mob. I also agree when police arrest them now, they should beat them up and break some bones. When a crime of them happen in the local town that people gather and give them a feeling they are not welcome. Might be beat ups at the night. They need to live in fear and terror.
My concern about innocent people is more, what about legal migrants that adapt and work here? When you form mobs, will the make a difference? Or doesn't it matter?

A big problem is truly this: It don't happen in my place attitude. It's not of my business. Why is it like this? First of all its a normal human habit. Car accidents? Don't happen to me, I'm a save driver. Get health issues because of bad habits? Don't happen to me. Humans think the bad things happen always to others and not to them. The next issue is the spreading of narcissistic individualism. People lose their connection to the local group. This is one of the big plans of the elites and now we see how it works. When you don't feel any connection to the people around you because you moved around for work, have no local boundaries and all the education is about self performance and not about the solitary of the group. Then you will find hardly people that feel things are of their concern. That the migrants strife trough their area or the crimes they read somewhere else are their problems. Maybe not today but in the future when they keep on ignoring it. Guys I don't need education on the scary scale this all reach and how worse it will become. I made some predictions before and that's why I prepare. When it comes to hit you, at least I know there will be a hit. Is it unstoppable because the Elites are to powerful? Maybe. Still it doesn't mean I sit there and just watch it. May I not strike now, may it all has to burn down, but at least I did see it coming and me and my family will not be slain in vain. That's maybe all you can do these days. Lambs to the slaughter...

Post: #10956

(08-08-2016 02:32 AM)Parzival Wrote:  When Migrants commit crimes, I don't want to see a German mob, I want that the police kicks their front door at 4:30 am and arrest them all. Then migrants to go special prisons and after they get deported. If they can't be deported then we build up camps in the middle east.

You want power and authority to be centralized within the government and for the government to act in the best interests of the people. That is the fundamental problem.

The government in Germany no longer works in the best interests of the common German citizen.

It has its own agenda and is willing to throw thousands of German lives onto the pyre as sacrificial lambs to see that through. You can extend that to the E.U. as a whole. It is not about serving the common people of Europe.

This is the difference between the European mindset and the American mindset. A good number of Americans have innate distrust of the government and are willing to fight against it. Europeans have a naive belief in government (god know's why if you look at history) and the welfare state. This will be the undoing.

Post: #10957

The trust in the government is an indoctrination. Personal I believe a local community can purge itself from the threats of invaders. But this is something the elites don't want in Germany so its very hard to fight. Personal I don't have a high trust in the government, never had. That's why I'm better of then many others. I don't rely that much on it.

Post: #10958

(08-07-2016 05:59 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 05:28 PM)Parzival Wrote:  Furthermore, what actions should be taken? Beat them up? Hunt them down? Burn the camps? Isn't this arbitrariness? What makes us the better civilization? Its human rights, its law, its judge in a fair trial. Become a mob that hunt down people with brown skin isn't better like any arab mob.

Nothing against you personally, but this whole morale superiority attitude is what get Germans/French in this mess in the first place.

You are trying to solve problems caused by barbaric, uncivilized child rapists with "human rights and civilizations". Might as well go all the way and give them candles and love?

In real life, the bully doesnt stop beating you because you say "I dont hate you" like some retarded SJW dreams. The only way to deal with bullies, is to beat them back with force.

That is why you are paralyzed in trying to find a solution. Get this, they have none of such silly restrictions. There's nothing civilized about watching Somali immigrants pissing on the Champs Elysees or raping your blonde teenagers next door. There is nothing just or civilized when I, as a legal professional immigrant, has to pay taxes and wait for long years before getting citizenships, while that filthy rapefugee is popping out ten kids and collect welfare (which I help pay for) and get naturalized automatically.

Yes, beat them up, throw them out and if they try to come again, warn them and if not working shoot them. Not that the Europeans have the ball to do it any way. We are just seeing the Fall of the Roman empire all over again.

I keep on seeing these posts wanting German and French men to find their balls. Those countries are the last two countries you want to designate a solution to a domestic problem.

French go and burn everything down, the Germans don't stop until everything is completed. And the UK is just looking on awkwardly wondering whether to throw in a sucker punch here and there.

We're only a series of events from another series of events which creates a downward spiral of eye for an eye vengeance.

Post: #10959

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Post: #10960

(08-07-2016 05:28 PM)Parzival Wrote:  Furthermore, what actions should be taken? Beat them up? Hunt them down? Burn the camps? Isn't this arbitrariness?

The action that should be taken: repatriation to their own region.

Is it arbitrary: No. It's political common sense and protection from the inevitable violent or otherwise politically disenfranchising circumstance that their presence will eventually demand. Look to the current United States for what you will face. Their tribe will take-over your land and displace you. Their tribe will take-over large parts of your government and disenfranchise you both there and in the voting booth. Discriminatory laws will be formed against native Germans.

Quote:What makes us the better civilization?

It's not and cannot be about notions of better or superior, as I described in a recent post. Thinking about justifying any action by a measure of better or superior is a fatally flawed approach though, as an aside, I for one could certainly make convincing arguments along that theme.

The justification for having your own part of the world, free from the demographic and political influence of large other tribes, is this:

1. Large, strong tribes living in such proximity, under the same government, leads to a cold political war. Cold wars can lead to hot wars.

2. Political self-determination and continued tribal peaceful existence is a fundamental human right.

3. Preservation of your culture is a fundamental human right. Whatever you might think, as foreign tribes influence your culture and your DNA you will not preserve your culture.

4. Successful tribes should not be expected to rehabilitate and support, both financially and socially, lower performing tribes. Mandating that they do so is infringing on their right to self-determination.

5. That a government would first have its own people's best-interest at heart is an assumption that is required in a legitimate democracy. In your nation, you have a illegitimate government because it was elected under the pretense of leading Germany for its self-interest rather than the interest of Africans and Arabs, but instead it operates for the latter's self-interest. What you have is an imposter government who has proven itself illegitimate by democratic standards of good faith in governance. Thus, it is legitimate to fully reverse any actions that it has taken against Germany and its people's interest.

Quote:Its human rights, its law, its judge in a fair trial.

What trial? For refugees and economic migrants? They are not citizens, thus they should not be protected under your law. So called international law is an undemocratic farce foisted on Europe by internationalist communists. Do not offer refugees who did not stop in the first safe country, and thus who are economic illegal aliens, the luxury of your government's wealth buy insisting on housing them and paying for a "trial". Merely ship them off of your land, to a holding camp, en route to repatriation. Rinse and repeat. Make it either financially or militarily untenable for Africa to refuse to take back its refugees.

Quote:Become a mob that hunt down people with brown skin isn't better like any Arab mob.

You're not a mob. They are. Those poor people will one day be those who demand that you disappear after giving up your nation's cultural and other wealth. Be careful of your altruism. Your children will pay dearly.

Quote:Its not only the issue to stand up and fight, you need the moral at your side too to rise the spirit.

You have it.

Quote:For me I believe in a society with rules and laws.

They are not a part of your society. Laws that say that they are are entirely illegitimate.

Quote:They don't face any danger. So there is no pressure to take action.

That is a problem, and it's a problem here as well. Those that live closer to danger will be ever more aware. Germans need to take the time to think about the issue and what living next to lower IQ, higher time-preference, higher crime groups will do to their municipalities and culture in the long run. A dose of reality always helps.

Post: #10961

but the whole point of 40 years old north african men coming as "refugees"
and claiming they are syrian boys 16 years old, taking loads of social welfare from Germany
and then using the money to buy weapons and then do mass killings...

is that they will never want to return anywhere

Post: #10962

(08-08-2016 06:05 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  The action that should be taken

BTW - why are France and Belgium the only Western countries (edit: the only countries in the world from what I know) that have a "burqa-ban law" ? (face-covering is banned in public, thus a muslim woman can't wear her burqa or niqab - or even a veil if it covers the face)

I know it's a measure of very marginal importance, and more serious actions are necessary, but isn't it still better than nothing ? ....why UK, USA, ect don't have such law ?

Post: #10963

(08-08-2016 09:48 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 06:05 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  The action that should be taken

BTW - why are France and Belgium the only Western countries (edit: the only countries in the world from what I know) that have a "burqa-ban law" ? (face-covering is banned in public, thus a muslim woman can't wear her burqa or niqab - or even a veil if it covers the face)

I know it's a measure of very marginal importance, but it's still better than nothing ......

In Portugal (and I suppose some other countries) there are no women with burqas.

Post: #10964

(08-08-2016 09:48 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 06:05 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  The action that should be taken

BTW - why are France and Belgium the only Western countries (edit: the only countries in the world from what I know) that have a "burqa-ban law" ? (face-covering is banned in public, thus a muslim woman can't wear her burqa or niqab - or even a veil if it covers the face)

I know it's a measure of very marginal importance, and more serious actions are necessary, but isn't it still better than nothing ? ....why UK, USA, ect don't have such law ?

After the French Revolution, people got pissed angry at all things religious, so they decreed, in their constitution, that the French country and government would be a "laique" country, meaning totally, completely separated government and religion. Think secular on steroid. So no "in God we trust" on their money or any sign of religious affliation in public.

But shouting "Allah" while killing people is apparently ok because you are a terrorist anyway, so being politically correct is not a problem.

In part it is also to prevent terrorism seeing how often France has been terrorized. So you can't really have people running around with black cloak covering their faces.

Apparently it didn't work out so well.

This is no measure of consolation whatsoever. France has the China-like censure system on all data regarding races. They are afraid that if people see the stats on Muslim everybody would flip out.

Post: #10965

(08-08-2016 10:42 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 09:48 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 06:05 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  The action that should be taken

BTW - why are France and Belgium the only Western countries (edit: the only countries in the world from what I know) that have a "burqa-ban law" ? (face-covering is banned in public, thus a muslim woman can't wear her burqa or niqab - or even a veil if it covers the face)

I know it's a measure of very marginal importance, but it's still better than nothing ......

In Portugal (and I suppose some other countries) there are no women with burqas.

I might move to Portugal:

Quote:According to the Instituto Nacional de Estatística (the National Statistical Institute of Portugal), there were, according to the 1991 census, 9,134 Muslims in Portugal, about 0.1% of the total population, even though the Islamic Community of Lisbon presently points to a number of about 40,000 according to 2011 estimates.[1]

Post: #10966

(08-08-2016 06:05 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  That is a problem, and it's a problem here as well. Those that live closer to danger will be ever more aware. Germans need to take the time to think about the issue and what living next to lower IQ, higher time-preference, higher crime groups will do to their municipalities and culture in the long run. A dose of reality always helps.

I don't want to split it to the extremes. According to the legal German, EU and international laws those people have no right to be here. So if we hadn't a traitor government and EU that servers a different agenda then the benefit of the European people we could use our existing laws and deport them all. This is what I mean by rights and laws. We have them, what lacks is the willpower to use them in benefit for us because the ideologies of equality and multiculturalism and tolerance dominate the actions beside other issues.

When they arrive with no ID we can hold them in camps, we can force countries to take them back with deny further financial support of we build camps in the middle east. People can protest against them. But they don't do it, nothing happen not only because the government don't want it, its also with because the people don't want it. They have the indoctrination for equality and "help those poor migrants". As long as this attitude exist so long will it be an easy game for the elites to bring in more. So the only solution is a wake up for people but I don't expect this to happen. When it happen its mostly too late.
The biggest problem is not the invaders, its the weak mindset of the people that open the gates. And they will not open the eyes even that we face regular slaughters and attacks.

Post: #10967

(08-08-2016 11:22 AM)Parzival Wrote:  So the only solution is a wake up for people but I don't expect this to happen. When it happen its mostly too late.
The biggest problem is not the invaders, its the weak mindset of the people that open the gates. And they will not open the eyes even that we face regular slaughters and attacks.

This is what I recommend for you, humbly, though not that I'm the end-all of advice:

Keep the perspective that these politics are creatures of public perception, and such perception moves slowly. But it does move, and it may very well be on its way to moving in the direction that you want it to. It may take one year, five years, or a generation. Whatever happens, work on letting go of the process to save your sanity and quality of life. Help the process when possible, and work within your limitations, but let go of short term fluctuations on the road to a greater group awakening.

Thus, while you wait, your most effective move is to look inward. Improve yourself. Start a healthy, well raised family who thinks the correct things. Keep your German circle tight. Treat the people in that circle well.

Essentially, become a single solid brick in the structure that you wish to see erected. Being so is more or less the only thing in your power, and it will serve as an example for others who may increasingly wish to do the same.

Post: #10968

Hydrogonian, I clearly wrote that it was something I took off facebook and you still went on that huge tirade as if I had written it.

What a waste of time and passive aggressiveness. It was a german that wrote that, actually.

Think some more before you engage in any other idiotic character assassination of the sort. It reflects more on you than on others.

Post: #10969

These numbers sort of fluctuate, it should be kept in mind many of these are also long time immigrants from some muslim countries in Africa (former colonies) and most of them are, well...old, we also have quite a few Indians, some long term, some recent, and Pakistanis, most of these only spend a couple of years here...Few actual arabs live here and that tendency is very unlikely to change. I've had 0 problems with muzzies here, though some of the Afghan younger ones are scumbags but its not like they're overly religious anyway. Gypsies are a much worse problem than Muslims here, tenfold. I'll trade 1 gipsy for 1 Syrian family.

(08-08-2016 11:17 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 10:42 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 09:48 AM)Vronski Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 06:05 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  The action that should be taken

BTW - why are France and Belgium the only Western countries (edit: the only countries in the world from what I know) that have a "burqa-ban law" ? (face-covering is banned in public, thus a muslim woman can't wear her burqa or niqab - or even a veil if it covers the face)

I know it's a measure of very marginal importance, but it's still better than nothing ......

In Portugal (and I suppose some other countries) there are no women with burqas.

I might move to Portugal:

Quote:According to the Instituto Nacional de Estatística (the National Statistical Institute of Portugal), there were, according to the 1991 census, 9,134 Muslims in Portugal, about 0.1% of the total population, even though the Islamic Community of Lisbon presently points to a number of about 40,000 according to 2011 estimates.[1]

Post: #10970

(08-08-2016 11:38 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  Hydrogonian, I clearly wrote that it was something I took off facebook and you still went on that huge tirade as if I had written it.

What a waste of time and passive aggressiveness. It was a german that wrote that, actually.

Think some more before you engage in any other idiotic character assassination of the sort. It reflects more on you than on others.

It perfectly reflects on you. You wrote it, or pasted it here, not me. If you paste something here, without further critique or explanation, then you are implying endorsement.

You can't expect to paste an opinion on a political thread, simply telling us where it is from, and not expect the group to think that you are endorsing the ideas through your promotion of them. Especially when they include controversial comments about Germans that have been repeatedly challenged here. You're simply stoking the fire, and it comes off as belligerent. And so I responded in a manner that reflected the advanced nature of that particular discussion.

It doesn't matter who wrote it initially unless you were disavowing the opinion. It's a little late to come here now in an attempt to attribute the post to an anonymous German, as some type of justification for why I supposedly should not have responded.

If you want to get into the "idiotic" name calling, how about not posting any more "idiotic" facebook posts without further context or critique if you mean to disown the message?

Your character is your character. Having before gone over the issue to no end before, to quite some turmoil, you pasting that rant "says more about you than it does me".

I didn't think it was a waste of time at all. The same BS aggression toward Germans has been popping up again and again on this thread, in spite of every attempt to resolve the varying opinions of people on this board to "let's just not talk about it".

Post: #10971

I suppose I am expecting too much by expecting you to admit the mistake and not apply your own judgment to an issue or its discussion as if it is fact. Not my problem either way.

I have no specific "aggression" or dislike towards Germans. No German has done anything to me. But look at what they are doing to themselves, who is self-hating after all? Why should I fight for a people that does not fight for itself in the current age? They do not fight for themselves and they surely not fight for me or my kin(if needed). All those issues about "german behaviour" have been questioned and debunked you say, yet the situation keeps worsening. And with no improvements in sight. I frankly do feel bad for them, it's quite unfortunate what's happening, but I see very little resistance and reaction. It obviously can come, they can flip the switch very fast and start killing/deporting millions in a very organized fashion.

Or not.

(08-08-2016 12:07 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 11:38 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  Hydrogonian, I clearly wrote that it was something I took off facebook and you still went on that huge tirade as if I had written it.

What a waste of time and passive aggressiveness. It was a german that wrote that, actually.

Think some more before you engage in any other idiotic character assassination of the sort. It reflects more on you than on others.

It perfectly reflects on you. You wrote it, or pasted it here, not me. If you paste something here, without further critique or explanation, then you are implying endorsement.

You can't expect to paste an opinion on a political thread, simply telling us where it is from, and not expect the group to think that you are endorsing the ideas through your promotion of them. Especially when they include controversial comments about Germans that have been repeatedly challenged here. You're simply stoking the fire, and it comes off as belligerent. And so I responded in a manner that reflected the advanced nature of that particular discussion.

It doesn't matter who wrote it initially unless you were disavowing the opinion. It's a little late to come here now in an attempt to attribute the post to an anonymous German, as some type of justification for why I supposedly should not have responded.

If you want to get into the "idiotic" name calling, how about not posting any more "idiotic" facebook posts without further context or critique if you mean to disown the message?

Your character is your character. Having before gone over the issue to no end before, to quite some turmoil, you pasting that rant "says more about you than it does me".

I didn't think it was a waste of time at all. The same BS aggression toward Germans has been popping up again and again on this thread, in spite of every attempt to resolve the varying opinions of people on this board to "let's just not talk about it".

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(08-08-2016 12:23 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I suppose I am expecting too much by expecting you to admit the mistake and not apply your own judgment to an issue or its discussion as if it is fact. Not my problem either way.

I have no specific "aggression" or dislike towards Germans. No German has done anything to me. But look at what they are doing to themselves, who is self-hating after all? Why should I fight for a people that does not fight for itself in the current age? They do not fight for themselves and they surely not fight for me or my kin(if needed). All those issues about "german behaviour" have been questioned and debunked you say, yet the situation keeps worsening. And with no improvements in sight. I frankly do feel bad for them, it's quite unfortunate what's happening, but I see very little resistance and reaction. It obviously can come, they can flip the switch very fast and start killing/deporting millions in a very organized fashion.

Or not.

So you tell me that I am flawed for not admitting my "mistake" in replying to your post, but then you double down by reiterating the general opinion of the post?

How can I keep up with this?

I knew and know what your opinion is. The assertions and responses were all addressed in the prior debate on the issue, which is why reiterating the discussion makes no sense except to upend the forum harmony. Which is why you received my last pertinent response.

Should we keep discussing the Germans, would you like to personally revisit the prior posts on the matter, or should we allow the German issue to drop?

Your choice. Pick whichever you would like.

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The flaw was in replying as if I had made all those points.

Merely clarification. I have no problem with Germans at all, but they are not showing the behavior to make a difference and fight for themselves, I think that no matter what one believes in that should be a reprehensible instance that should not be ignored.

Drop it, it's not a subject I hold with too much importance, in the end it's their problem and they have to fix it.

I just wish one day those involved in this cause will spend more time being worried about the issues in their country than offended because of posts on an online forum.

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(08-08-2016 11:33 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 11:22 AM)Parzival Wrote:  So the only solution is a wake up for people but I don't expect this to happen. When it happen its mostly too late.
The biggest problem is not the invaders, its the weak mindset of the people that open the gates. And they will not open the eyes even that we face regular slaughters and attacks.

This is what I recommend for you, humbly, though not that I'm the end-all of advice:

Keep the perspective that these politics are creatures of public perception, and such perception moves slowly. But it does move, and it may very well be on its way to moving in the direction that you want it to. It may take one year, five years, or a generation. Whatever happens, work on letting go of the process to save your sanity and quality of life. Help the process when possible, and work within your limitations, but let go of short term fluctuations on the road to a greater group awakening.

Thus, while you wait, your most effective move is to look inward. Improve yourself. Start a healthy, well raised family who thinks the correct things. Keep your German circle tight. Treat the people in that circle well.

Essentially, become a single solid brick in the structure that you wish to see erected. Being so is more or less the only thing in your power, and it will serve as an example for others who may increasingly wish to do the same.

This is solid advice and reminds me of Solzhenitsyn's Live Not By Lies. I strongly recommend reading this for everyone, its quite short:

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/S...ynLies.htm

and important thing I took away from it is this: start with changing yourself, and NEVER play along with their lies. dont go along with shit people say that you disagree with to maintain the "harmony of the group" under any circumstances. even if it means simply remaining silent when people are going on about their support for refugees or anything else for that matter. at the very least just don't play a part in it. I think a huge part of the problem in Germany is the lack of will and brotherhood amongst the men and the effect of having women involved in political decisions.

I can understand their sentiments and that most people actually have good intentions and see (so they think) people displaced by war and want to do well to help them. They have zero skepticism when it comes to these people because they project how they personally would react to such acts of kindness: with humility and gratitude. The carpet will be swept out from underneath them at some point, by some means, like I'm sure it did for almost 2000 women and their friends and family last new years eve.

Parzival, even if you were to turn 5 men, 5 friends you know onto more "red pill" thinking on the matter, that can have a huge impact. Start lifting and take them with you. The increase in T alone could change things. Despite most here clamouring for violence I respect your desire to keep things civil and lawful. Things aren't that out of hand, yet, but peoples attitudes do need to change if Germany is to remain a German country in the traditional sense. It doesn't require vigilante mobs beating up immigrants, but a sane, sensible migration policy, like Trump is talking about. Just think: Germany's demographic woes could easily be solved by taking all the money given to refugees, and simply give it to women who had an extra child, for example. There are other solutions to these problems.

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(08-08-2016 12:58 PM)Cosmonaut Wrote:  Parzival, even if you were to turn 5 men, 5 friends you know onto more "red pill" thinking on the matter, that can have a huge impact. Start lifting and take them with you. The increase in T alone could change things. Despite most here clamouring for violence I respect your desire to keep things civil and lawful. Things aren't that out of hand, yet, but peoples attitudes do need to change if Germany is to remain a German country in the traditional sense. It doesn't require vigilante mobs beating up immigrants, but a sane, sensible migration policy, like Trump is talking about. Just think: Germany's demographic woes could easily be solved by taking all the money given to refugees, and simply give it to women who had an extra child, for example. There are other solutions to these problems.

Improve yourself and care about your local circle is always the most important thing. Despise that, what happen now don't happen without disagreement. Where this all lead, who knows. On the paper they already made the laws tighter. Still the flow don't stop. There are millions of people in the middle east and africa that want a piece of our cake and they think, they deserve it. Even with the best will to accept them, its impossible still many deny the numbers that we face. Just a report from the German - Swiss border:

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...tziel.html

Quote:The number of asylum seekers who come via Italy and Switzerland to Germany, rises. First stop is often a police station in southern Baden. There they can hardly cope with the situation.

A small group of dark-skinned young men studied at night the way to the police station. They seem tired as the official report later, backpacks have on and drag a worn rolling suitcase behind him. On a paper they have the address available.

Someone must have given them the hint that they should seek the red sandstone building near the station of Weil am Rhein. It is one and a half kilometers from the Swiss border - and is the preliminary goal of a refugee route that is becoming increasingly important this summer.

Who asks for asylum in Germany, will not be rejected, according to the Interior Ministry, of course. Although it lacks the necessary for crossing the border and Switzerland is considered a safe third country. The basis for receiving Angela Merkel's decision in September 2015 to open the borders of Germany for all asylum seekers. Officially this decision still applies.

That the rush on the Mediterranean route via Italy, Switzerland and Germany is growing, however, is felt at all border points. For July, there are no official figures. But according to a preliminary statistics, the Swiss border guards discovered last month in the Canton Ticino 5760 "illegal residents".

Who will not apply for asylum of them in Switzerland, would "consistently back transferred to Italy," said a spokesman for the Federal Border Guard. This means: the refugees will not be waved through to Germany. But naturally the controls are sketchy.

It would be so easy for the EU or Germany to build up camps in northern Africa and send them all back. But in Germany people and politicians don't want to take action nor do they want to see the consequences that it takes to protect what we have. Media will show little kids in tears again, like they did in the last year. This media hoax was the main intention and they already did confess that the pictures had not be the reality. The reality is, 80 % men below 30. Also read the bolted parts. Where to they get the paper with the address from? Who do they know what train to take? What we know from the Balkans, there are left wing activists that support them and I'm sure there is even the hidden agenda that give information to the right people what tracks they have to take.