Rant:
I think the mindset "fuck yes or no" is making me a temporarily monk. I've been home from SEA for ~2 month and since i've come back i have had sex 0 times. Also i have spent most of my time making money so that i can buy a nice bike, have some off and such when i arrive in SEA, which means i don't meet many girls at all in my day to day life(work from home) and i have accepted that. BUT BUT BUT the thing is i have got very good chances since i got home and didnt even do anything about it since "Fuck yes or no", i.e i wasnt super attracted so i didnt try to make anything happen.

I had two girls that were very obviously interested recently but just let it go for no other reason than i wasnt super attracted to them. This was cute girls.

And today:
I was walking home from the gym, in a distance i see a short asian girl, decides that if shes hot i will open, we get close and she's OK, a 5 maybe around 30yo and she stops me and asks for the way to something. Am i super attracted to her? Not really but she has a nice little body and i would definitely do her. But standing there talking with her i decide she is not hot enough and just tell her the way. Now i realize this could be me rationalizing for not having the balls to go for the kill or something, but i dont think so, i have done alot of daygame and wouldnt say im afraid to close at all.

Why am i doing this? Its not like i have pussy throwing themself at me.
Anyone experienced similar stupidity?

Been having a great summer.

For the first time in my life I'm dating multiple girls at the same time - two early 20s college girls and a mid 30s bar tender (who I picked up at her bar). I actually have to make decisions about which girl I'm gonna see on a given night. If one flakes/cancels I get upset, not because I don't get to see her but because I could have scheduled something with one of the others. That chick goes on the bottom of the priority list - I stop asking her out and she only gets time with me if she asks and there's no one else available. That seems to send enough of a message to curb the behavior. Abundance mentality is awesome.

I credit my success with having developed a real attitude of not caring about any particular girl or what she does. Shitty behavior gets called out either directly or through my actions. I'm not butt hurt about it, I just would have rather been doing something else with my time. It's a subtle distinction but it seems to make a big difference in terms of how girls respond.

(07-27-2016 06:49 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Not sure if thread worthy, but just I just though about how often I am the dumper vs. the dumpee.

9/10 I'm the guy who gets dropped/ghosted/flaked on/etc. I can count on 2 hands the number of girls I've willingly let go in my life, and a couple of those were girlfriends that cheated on me so they already decided the relationship was over - I was just the one to say it. The vast majority of the time I would have liked to keep dating/seeing/hooking up with the girl but they always initiate the break away. I may be a jaded and cynical misanthrope but deep down I'm always going to be a lover.

How about you guys?

All of the LTR's I had I dumped (at the end)

1st LTR - Was my first "love" - I was 16, long distance about 35-45 minutes away, neither of us had cars, turns out the guy who drove us around was hooking up with her also, talked about being cucked. I didn't know what I was doing, I was silently crying in the back seat while I got dropped off, I dumped her that very night. She reached out to me a few times that year.

2nd LTR - I was 18, she dumped me, a few months I found she fucked my best friend, a few month after that she heard I was hooking up with a girl, she wanted to me back. I took her back, fast forward 6 months later, I dump her on our anniversary the day before valentines day. She pulls the pregnant card, test show she isn't, I was pretty cold after that. Funny thing is, she threw the biggest 21st birthday party with me, I ended up making out with another girl, she didn't see. We fucked once after that a year later to this day I think she's still crazy and got fat.

3rd LTR - I was just 20/21 best friends girlfriends little sister - she saw me, thought I was hot, was belligerently drunk about it, we banged, a week later she tells me a guy went down on her and she was drunk, I let it slide, I dated her for 4 months then I was over it. We fucked once more a year later, she got super skinny. Turns out now she's engaged, has a kid, and is chubby.

4th LTR - I was 23ish, this was the Red Pill Rising LTR- we got together - then like a month later she didn't things were working out because I didn't invite her to guys night. She chased me, finally got me. We dated for almost 2 years - till I found some shit on her phone, threw her phone in the toilet, and sent her ass home from SF back to SoCal. I stayed and hungout with my friends. She ended up at my store a few years later seemingly a bit tweaked out - turns out she had a tiff with her BF and wanted to fuck me. (I found out later she never broke up with him) I turned her down since I was meeting my 5th LTR for a date. Now she hit the wall HARD horrible skin and gained a bit more weight.

5th LTR - This was my last one, when I was finally red pill aware, many of you know about this relationship, definitely the best girl and LTR (for what it's worth) out of all of them, we just had a difference of lives we wanted. She wanted kids and marriage in a few years, in the end I made the decision to dump her because we didn't need to waste each others time. She thanked me, huffed a little and then unfollowed me on social media a few days after. I recently found out from a buddy who makes her bar his home base for bringing in girls - that she's looking very sickly skinny (she was pretty skinny to begin with). Could be drugs but who knows.

The fact I only had one pregnancy/abortion and raw dogged every single girl was a fucking miracle.

In the end - I honestly think I turned out even better than before while the other are just mediocre or worst off. I don't wish any ill will on any of them though.


I had a few mini LTR's during the last 2 big relationships I had 3 come to mind, one ghosted, I ended things with the other 2.


When it comes to girls I'm banging, girls ghosting is the norm, I don't even care to follow up anymore.

Half of them don't reach out anyways, lose interest, or hop on another dick.

It's a non issue, there's always new pussy, and none of those girls piqued my interest anyways. WIN/WIN

(07-27-2016 07:52 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  After going to see eagles of death metal and BRMC the other day, and walking past the main stage (amphitheater, some country band) and seeing how fucking hot country music chicks are, I realized I picked the wrong genre to play in.

Rock groupies are downright nasty by comparison. Tatted, frequently ugly, frequently fat.

All the hot bitches like either EDM, country, or hip hop these days.

Yes, I know many rock stars have hot wives, but when you compare the average groupie to them there's a huge gap in attractiveness.

Dude WTF !? I didn't know you went to LH.

I wanted to see Social D and Face to Face. I would've been down, I would just rode up there after work, figured it might not of been worth it.

Alot of punker girls are like that, fat, ugly, and wearing shit a few sized too tight. Finding a hot latina punker girl with her latin roots in tact is my holy grail.

^ Yeah the chick i was seeing got me a ticket. I had fun at the show but god damn was it annoying having to hang with her and her "girls". They are obnoxious and every other word out of their mouths was "fuck".

Quote:Finding a hot latina punker girl with her latin roots in tact is my holy grail.

heh, that's exactly the chick I was seeing. Dropped her after that concert though because of her antics. Watching how she swooned over EODM was pretty much the nail in that coffin for her. Bitches will be bitches, latin roots not withstanding...

(07-28-2016 01:44 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  Watching how she swooned over EODM was pretty much the nail in that coffin for her. Bitches will be bitches, latin roots not withstanding...

I know you talked about this in another post, but how was their swooning like ? As in super obvious or fan girl status ?

I mean we swoon over hot girls, aka the would you hit it thread, famous or not.

(07-28-2016 02:51 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 01:44 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  Watching how she swooned over EODM was pretty much the nail in that coffin for her. Bitches will be bitches, latin roots not withstanding...

I know you talked about this in another post, but how was their swooning like ? As in super obvious or fan girl status ?

I mean we swoon over hot girls, aka the would you hit it thread, famous or not.

Like "OMG" status. What's the difference between fan girl and just plain swooning? She was excited as fuck to see them I can tell you that...left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I wandered off and started talking to other chicks, then she comes STORMING over and fucking goes off on me. This was also after she kept trying to "make sure" i wasn't checking out the country hotties. Jokes on her...I was wearing sunglasses for more than one reason.

Well what do you expect, when they see Chad Thundercock singing on stage females go back to being a little fan girl.

Swooning are tells she likes someone, singing shit, "woo" girl status

Fan girl to me is saying outright she'd fuck the due, he's soooo hot, shit like that in front of you.

I guess never really dealt with that at concerts, I'd be more concerned about her just being trashy as fuck with her cousins in her natural settings.

(07-28-2016 03:32 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Well what do you expect, when they see Chad Thundercock singing on stage females go back to being a little fan girl.

Swooning are tells she likes someone, singing shit, "woo" girl status

Fan girl to me is saying outright she'd fuck the due, he's soooo hot, shit like that in front of you.

I guess never really dealt with that at concerts, I'd be more concerned about her just being trashy as fuck with her cousins in her natural settings.

Exactly. It's the company she keeps and the way she was acting (talking shit about her family member's husband for him DARING to be pissed that his bitch was out late, ect)

That tells me all I need to know.

Oh and the cuz also talked about how she FOLLOWED HOME one of the band members one time after a show and crashed on his couch.

How DARE her hubby be suspicious!

She's a keeper alright!

Met this girl through daygame like 2 or 3 months ago. Back then she said she has a Bf and gives me weak facebook. Then she doesn't accept my friend request.

Now, after all this time she accepts it... Means shes back to the dating market and wants a d?

(07-28-2016 03:44 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  Oh and the cuz also talked about how she FOLLOWED HOME one of the band members one time after a show and crashed on his couch.

How DARE her hubby be suspicious!

She's a keeper alright!

"Crashed on the couch" aka either got fucked and dumped, or she wasn't the hottest girl there he picked.

That poor bastard has no idea.

I'm definitely dealing with abundance mentality right now, it's awesome. Have multiple 19, 20, and 21y wanting to meet me for drinks/sex or be one of my plates, got a new early 20s girl along with another late 20s girl who are both into 3somes so that's going to happen soon.

I'm not even returning texts from some cute 19s because too busy. Bird in hand and all that. Canceled 2 girls yesterday for a 3rd one.

They must be able to smell it on me, that I honestly don't care if I never see them again.

Leaving now for a 19yr meet, tall with fantastic legs. Face isn't the best but loves to have fun.

(07-27-2016 08:57 PM)storm Wrote:  I'm not being nasty enough with these tinder girls.

Don't want to post the details here because of reasons but I need even nastier ideas.

Violet wand.

It's official now i'm going after amazing girl from work. You can say whatever you want but that is one of those moments of truth where all those skills and experience must come together and get me what I want. Can't wait to win.

Yesterday I found out that a cute girl was leading me on by text messages, only to invent a thousand things whenever I asked her out. I asked her out, she began giving me shit, but I persisted until she clearly accepted or refused. I ended the interaction with: "I am sorry. I mistook you for somebody who wanted to go out with me This is life. For me, things are clear now". She replied that it's not true. I did not respond. A few hours later, she left me a text message, wishing me good night. I didn't reply either.

I have mixed feelings. I feel kinda bad, because I liked the girl. I feel good also, because this entire charade lasted a bit over 8 days, which means I got out quickly.

The last thing you should have is mixed feelings. She was thirsty and you eventually stopped bringing her water from an oasis and made her use the tap.

(07-29-2016 01:34 AM)Zanardi Wrote:  Yesterday I found out that a cute girl was leading me on by text messages, only to invent a thousand things whenever I asked her out. I asked her out, she began giving me shit, but I persisted until she clearly accepted or refused. I ended the interaction with: "I am sorry. I mistook you for somebody who wanted to go out with me This is life. For me, things are clear now". She replied that it's not true. I did not respond. A few hours later, she left me a text message, wishing me good night. I didn't reply either.

I have mixed feelings. I feel kinda bad, because I liked the girl. I feel good also, because this entire charade lasted a bit over 8 days, which means I got out quickly.

Don't apologize, don't even bother replying.

You realized she was wasting your time, so you ended it.

Delete her number. If she keeps reaching out to you and chases you, basically tell her you aren't here to waste time, either hangout or fuck off.

If I'm interested in a girl and maybe she fell off the radar for a few days, I might say, "Did you die?" or "Am I wasting my time texting you?" or a variation of the 2.

Either the girls don't respond, or are honest and aren't interested.

Or they apologize, strike while the iron is hot.

Either it's win/win, I delete the numbers of the first, and focus my energy on the second. Less girls to manage texting, more odds of meeting and banging the others.

(07-29-2016 01:34 AM)Zanardi Wrote:  Yesterday I found out that a cute girl was leading me on by text messages, only to invent a thousand things whenever I asked her out. I asked her out, she began giving me shit, but I persisted until she clearly accepted or refused. I ended the interaction with: "I am sorry. I mistook you for somebody who wanted to go out with me This is life. For me, things are clear now". She replied that it's not true. I did not respond. A few hours later, she left me a text message, wishing me good night. I didn't reply either.

I have mixed feelings. I feel kinda bad, because I liked the girl. I feel good also, because this entire charade lasted a bit over 8 days, which means I got out quickly.

That has got to be one of the most beta text messages I have ever read. It seems like you still want to go out with this girl, and based on what you've said there is a slim chance that she is interested. Hit her up with a pretty direct invite "hey lets get drinks at XXX on monday, 8 o clock". Based on what I can gather, she'll probably make an excuse as to why she can't make it, at which point forget about her forever (or go my route and troll her with funny GIFs for a while, she might warm up). However, on the off-chance she says yes, you have a date.

Oh BTW, I've made the decision moving forward to never delete numbers. I've known a few guys who never delete numbers and then when on a cold streak send mass "hey come to X bar" messages to 50+ previously dead-end numbers and end up with a chick later that night. Something to consider.

(07-29-2016 05:46 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Don't apologize, don't even bother replying.

You realized she was wasting your time, so you ended it.

Delete her number. If she keeps reaching out to you and chases you, basically tell her you aren't here to waste time, either hangout or fuck off.

Yeah, these days I shall delete the number and move on. What's interesting to me is that, judging only by the texts she sent to me, she seemed very into me: writing long texts about her, sending simple texts with: "Hello, how are you?" or "Good night", enjoying when I got sexual with her, etc. However, it seems that it was too good to be true.

(07-29-2016 08:22 PM)Switch Wrote:  That has got to be one of the most beta text messages I have ever read. It seems like you still want to go out with this girl, and based on what you've said there is a slim chance that she is interested. Hit her up with a pretty direct invite "hey lets get drinks at XXX on monday, 8 o clock".

I did the asking out part three times in the last 8 days. In the first attempt I got a counteroffer for two days later, but when the moment came to discuss the time and place, she told me to wait for about a week, because she cannot handle too well the 32 Celsius (about 90F) heat that is in this period. I said "OK", thinking that it may be true, because I had seen young people having trouble in this area. The third time I asked her out, she gave me another lengthy text, telling me she'll think about it until Saturday. Having a deja vu, I pushed it to the end.

The message may be beta, but at that moment I knew I won't see her again. So, it quite doesn't matter what I do to her.

So, I think I "punish" girls for bad behavior without communicating well enough what they did. I will go cold on a bitch for some shit she did and she doesn't get it, and so doesn't improve her behavior.

For example. Last nite. I am banging this girl for a long time, she is trying to take charge in bed saying do this or do that. I shut it down but not always. I tell her to cut it out.

Eventually it just gets to be too annoying. I stop mid bang and say get out. She thinks I am playing games and gets her shit thrown in the hallway and my boot in her ass.

Thing is, I generally ignored her bullshit until then... just sort of went cold for a bit and ignored her... maybe if I had made it crystal clear at the beginning that this behavior is not acceptable she would have known better.

There were a number of game errors on my end, but here I want to consider a different and specific point.

I do not think women take seriously statements like "If you do that again I'm throwing you out"...they like to test the boundaries... Thinking on this last nite, I think bad behavior should not be warned about, but immediately punished. But how to communicate clearly what you are punishing for? The easiest way is to just say it out loud, but sometimes this does not fit.

Classical Skinnerian psychology suggests that such training takes place over the long run by positively and negatively reinforcing specific behaviors with e.g. random reinforcement frequencies. But you want to shut down certain behaviors... Generally by communicating that this is not acceptable. But many women don't understand how to act like women and (the current example exempted) make genuine efforts but sometimes simply lapse or don't understand. If you randomly punish certain behaviors you are also sometimes letting them go... but on the other hand if you correct every single instance it is pedantic...is that the right way?

I suppose the answer to this would probably be found in some book on how to train employees.

(07-30-2016 12:17 PM)storm Wrote:  So, I think I "punish" girls for bad behavior without communicating well enough what they did. I will go cold on a bitch for some shit she did and she doesn't get it, and so doesn't improve her behavior.

Is this what you wanted? It seems like girls do this to us big time.

***

I found out what was the deal with the chick: ex-boyfriend on her back. He promised to take her to UK (in pure provider style). Most likely, she was oscillating between him and me. I made her decision easier. Now I really don't have any mixed feelings. I did the right things.

Last night I banged a second girl in my office. She came to visit me when she got off work and as I was finishing up. Turned the lights off in the lobby and hallway, sat her up on the counter by the drink cooler, and plowed away. Finished on on her stomach. I'm glad this place as no cameras.

(07-30-2016 07:01 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Last night I banged a second girl in my office. She came to visit me when she got off work and as I was finishing up. Turned the lights off in the lobby and hallway, sat her up on the counter by the drink cooler, and plowed away. Finished on on her stomach. I'm glad this place as no cameras.

That is awesome, it's next on my list of things to do with plates.

I guess my roommate went and fucked my lady friend last night.

I hope they like being broke, homeless, without a car, and without a lease. I am going to drag my buddy's shit on the lawn this week sometime with a big free sign.

Hoes gonna hoe, but bros... should be bros. What a fucking dumbass to shit right in his own bed. I would react the same way. Whether thats "right" or "wrong" I can't say, but that shit would get me irate.

In other news:

(07-27-2016 01:45 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 01:40 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  I've had a handful of pointless pregnancy scares with girls in the past and they always end up being nothing. Girls have wacky periods sometimes, and some girls just bullshit about stuff. All's I know is, I do NOT want to be knocking up this girl or anyone else right now. I suppose I'll be wrapping it up with her form now on, unfortunately.

About goddamn time Stalin, a Latina not on BC is a scary thing dude.

She told me she took a preggo test from Wahlgreen's and it was negative.



Met her at my place today on my lunch break for a back rub and a bang. Strapped on a dong bag and went to town (glad I kept that box around). Check the date on the wrapper: "Use by 11/2015"