(07-21-2016 08:36 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

(07-21-2016 07:06 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  Redpillage - that is an excellent post showing the parallels with Lebanon in the 1970s...

Do you know when that video was made and who is the lady speaking ?

Watch the video - she grew up in Lebanon but managed to flee before being killed by Islamists. WHEN? I don't know - I happened to come across this by accident a while back. Based on the quality it's not recent, maybe in the 1990s if you do the math - she would have been in her 30s then.

I did watch it, but there was nothing in there that gave me an idea of the time it was made.
If it was made in the last 5 to 10 years, then I would be a bit more sceptical of her motives in speaking, and see her unconsciously projecting todays issues to fit a different time....but if it was made before 2001...then the parallels are scary....especially the parts about open borders, refugees and them turning on their (leftist) allies and using weak laws to their advantage to gain influence and power.

(07-21-2016 08:33 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  How it will turn out?
Either Europeans surrender or they spill blood.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I suppose Thomas Jefferson wasn't even thinking about fighting off a muslim invasion, but his words are very accurate.


I have spent past couple of days trying to think on what to do with the existing muslims in Europe that were born here.
Send them back? Back to where if they are "French" and never been to Algeria?
Even though I am an advocate of free speech and freedom of religion, I agree with a ban of Islam, Islamic congregation, and the consequent destruction of mosques. Not very "western" and certainly not tolerant, but sometimes we need to sacrifice some of our own values.

You can TRY to send them back - but it would be extremely difficult as they will resist vehemently and most likely rather die than return. Deep inside most of them know what piece of shit Islamic backwater they were born into and they won't ever return to that. Some of the extremists may want to as a last resort when pressed and without any other option (except death - and some will choose that in the name of Allah) but the moderates will do whatever it takes to remain.

Thing is - you can not just send back the aggressive or violent ones - you need to send ALL of them back. That includes all the moderates, all children, and all women. ALL. OF. THEM. Because if you do NOT then you have the VERY SAME problem on your hands just a generation or two later. The ones who remain will not integrate and once again slowly form enclaves/slums as we've seen in the French banlieuses. Islam is a cancer that continues to grow for eternity - 1400 years of history show that. You need to extract it all or your country will never cease suffering from its contagion.

Now, do you REALLY see any Western country expel ALL its millions of Muslims? Many of who have been born there and are actually native citizens? It's just not going to happen. Perhaps if there's a terror attack of huge proportions - like triggering a nuke or a dirty bomb in a major city center. Or a biological/chemical attack that winds up killing tens or hundreds of thousands. I don't know - it would have to be so significant - so demonstrably evil - that it shutters not only the confidence but also the economic basis of the Western voting public. On a real crisis that pushes people far out of their comfort zone would produce an ideological shift sufficient to make a difference.

And, as I have said here many times before, what ensues after that is not a clean cleansing that completes with a few weeks or months. But instead you'll see a long drawn out civil war that we may or may not wind up winning. If we do win - then we may STILL not be prepared to do what it takes. And by that I mean declare the religion of Islam ILLEGAL in all of Europe and expel anyone who does not convert.

I just don't think we come out of this any time soon or with our current infrastructure, economies, lifestyle, cultural heritage, wealth, sanity, etc. intact. At minimum it'll just be a slow blood letting to the end - Islam wins and we just get killed one by one week after week, month after month. The able ones probably just wind up fleeing to the East. Which will NOT take us in by the way. I just read a story of a German family which dropped everything and left for Russia. Guess what their Visa request has been denied.

I mean - think about it - Islam has all time in the world on its side. The Muslims which are already here don't really need to be doing anything drastic at this point. All they need to do is to continue breeding whilst waiting for us to die out. Which is happening, given that Western European women have stopped breeding. And if enough Western men die our women are just going to flip sides and join Islam.

In a nutshell: The West is fucked. I don't see a plausible scenario that returns things to normal within our lifetime.

Mosque in Paris (Dassault) is surrounded by police.

(07-21-2016 08:49 AM)redpillage Wrote:  ...
In a nutshell: The West is fucked. I don't see a plausible scenario that returns things to normal within our lifetime.

I don't see things returning to "normal" but I don't see the west as being fucked either.

I can envisage the following.

The gradual rise in muslim atrocities sees populist right wing governments put into power. Immediately they set about making the following reforms.

Schengen is tossed out the window.
A massive crackdown on any mosques that run south of moderate. Not just the imams but the followers.
A massive reform of the welfare system that screws dysfunctional left wing parasites in favour of traditional, nuclear families.
A return of freedom of speech "no ifs or buts". Corporations will be invited to embrace this or be uninvited from doing business in said nations.
A return of freedom of association, and freedom of disassociation for that matter. Affirmative action laws might remain but their enforcement arms will be stripped to the bone and become functionally useless.

At any stage along this process the muslims and the regressive left will start rioting. Martial law will be declared but unlike the nightmare scenario most of us have envisioned in the past this will be a right wing populist martial law aimed at the real enemies of civilisation.

The left and the muslims, many of whom will have been impoverished by the drying up of welfare, government rorts and affirmative action hiring will no longer be enjoying the bounty of western civilisation. Many muslims will see the writing on the wall and leave. Many leftards will go turncoat and forget about social justice in return for a chance to eat something other than oil-drum-roasted rat.

Meanwhile the police and the military will be purged of those with sympathies for the left and islam.

From there the islamic ghettos and the left wing slums will get the west bank treatment. Urban redevelopment will crush them into smaller and smaller military guarded zones (sans voting booths). The prisons will begin to make Guantanamo bay look like the four seasons. Exile will be offered where suitable. The death penalty will be restored, in particular for exiles caught returning.

And all of it will be done in the trademark efficient, sanitary manner of the European male.

Granted you might see some parallels to other periods in European history. I would suggest that what I have outlined above is a much preferable outcome than the one we are all drifting toward.

(07-21-2016 09:46 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The left and the muslims, many of whom will have been impoverished by the drying up of welfare, government rorts and affirmative action hiring will no longer be enjoying the bounty of western civilisation. Many muslims will see the writing on the wall and leave.

Another tactic is to ban Halal food on the grounds of animal cruelty and ruthlessly enforce it. Really spend money on this so it is virtually impossible to find. Muslims will riot but that's fine. Deport the rioters.

(07-21-2016 09:46 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(07-21-2016 08:49 AM)redpillage Wrote:  ...
In a nutshell: The West is fucked. I don't see a plausible scenario that returns things to normal within our lifetime.

I don't see things returning to "normal" but I don't see the west as being fucked either.

I can envisage the following.

The gradual rise in muslim atrocities sees populist right wing governments put into power. Immediately they set about making the following reforms.

Schengen is tossed out the window.
A massive crackdown on any mosques that run south of moderate. Not just the imams but the followers.
A massive reform of the welfare system that screws dysfunctional left wing parasites in favour of traditional, nuclear families.
A return of freedom of speech "no ifs or buts". Corporations will be invited to embrace this or be uninvited from doing business in said nations.
A return of freedom of association, and freedom of disassociation for that matter. Affirmative action laws might remain but their enforcement arms will be stripped to the bone and become functionally useless.

At any stage along this process the muslims and the regressive left will start rioting. Martial law will be declared but unlike the nightmare scenario most of us have envisioned in the past this will be a right wing populist martial law aimed at the real enemies of civilisation.

The left and the muslims, many of whom will have been impoverished by the drying up of welfare, government rorts and affirmative action hiring will no longer be enjoying the bounty of western civilisation. Many muslims will see the writing on the wall and leave. Many leftards will go turncoat and forget about social justice in return for a chance to eat something other than oil-drum-roasted rat.

Meanwhile the police and the military will be purged of those with sympathies for the left and islam.

From there the islamic ghettos and the left wing slums will get the west bank treatment. Urban redevelopment will crush them into smaller and smaller military guarded zones (sans voting booths). The prisons will begin to make Guantanamo bay look like the four seasons. Exile will be offered where suitable. The death penalty will be restored, in particular for exiles caught returning.

And all of it will be done in the trademark efficient, sanitary manner of the European male.

Granted you might see some parallels to other periods in European history. I would suggest that what I have outlined above is a much preferable outcome than the one we are all drifting toward.

You describe a plausible scenario - five to ten years ago. At this stage however we are so far down the rabbit hole that UNLESS Trump wins AND most of Europe swings to the right in its next election cycle (i.e. 2017 or 2018 in most countries) the dynamics of population replacement will ensure that the right will never establish itself.

What you say may happen in Austria but I have grave doubts about it happening in France. And Germany - it won't happen - not next year nor the one after. Sure, the AfD will gain seats and maybe even push 35% plus minus. But it won't be enough. So at minimum Germany is already lost. France is about 50/50. Britain - tough to say - they may just make it but Islam is deeply embedded there as well. Of course Sweden is gone - they just don't know it yet.

We're still talking war in Europe. Because at minimum Germany will be an Islamic base which will continue to plague its surrounding nations.

It's an interesting academic exercise to project forward - of course none of us really can know what will truly happen. I am just attempting to narrow it down to two or three high probability scenarios and prepare accordingly. At minimum this exercise helps us to recognize telltale signs early and act far ahead of the crowd. Like the Jews who moved out of Germany in the early 30s - those were the smart ones who avoided a lot of pain and loss of live & property.

(07-21-2016 09:46 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The prisons will begin to make Guantanamo bay look like the four seasons.

That really made me crack up. Thanks for that, I needed it.

(07-21-2016 10:05 AM)rotekz Wrote:  

(07-21-2016 09:46 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The left and the muslims, many of whom will have been impoverished by the drying up of welfare, government rorts and affirmative action hiring will no longer be enjoying the bounty of western civilisation. Many muslims will see the writing on the wall and leave.

Another tactic is to ban Halal food on the grounds of animal cruelty and ruthlessly enforce it. Really spend money on this so it is virtually impossible to find. Muslims will riot but that's fine. Deport the rioters.

Brilliant idea - extremely effective!!! Cease serving Halal food on airlines, trains, etc. And why stop there? Aggressively promote pork related dishes at the same time. Not exactly difficult anywhere in Europe - we all love pork. Offer it at least three times per week in schools and government offices. Pork pork pork everywhere! If they cannot eat they cannot thrive or fight.

Establish more dog parks and encourage dog ownership (Muslims hate dogs). Set up training centers for dogs to maim or kill violent attackers. Instead of bike lanes we need places for dogs to be able to do their business or provide facilities in cities so that owners can easily dispose of doggy poop. Of course we are talking German shepherds and dobermans here, not poodles or terriers.

(07-21-2016 10:12 AM)redpillage Wrote:  At minimum this exercise helps us to recognize telltale signs early and act far ahead of the crowd. Like the Jews who moved out of Germany in the early 30s - those were the smart ones who avoided a lot of pain and loss of live & property.

This is very useful and intelligent analogy.

For those living in western Europe who see the writing on the wall and who have fixed assets like apartments, large homes or land...then now is the time to sell, while you still can get good money for it and transform your income and finances into something diversified, international and mobile.

(07-21-2016 08:33 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  How it will turn out?
Either Europeans surrender or they spill blood.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I suppose Thomas Jefferson wasn't even thinking about fighting off a muslim invasion, but his words are very accurate.


I have spent past couple of days trying to think on what to do with the existing muslims in Europe that were born here.
Send them back? Back to where if they are "French" and never been to Algeria?
Even though I am an advocate of free speech and freedom of religion, I agree with a ban of Islam, Islamic congregation, and the consequent destruction of mosques. Not very "western" and certainly not tolerant, but sometimes we need to sacrifice some of our own values.

I've been pondering this question myself recently, specifically in relation to brexit and the inevitable comparisons of where it will end up, maybe in a Swiss style model.

The problem with that is that Switzerland is a country with only about 6-8 million people. In a population that small, it's relatively easy to keen track of people, especially with the way they organise work and living permits. (Basically, you cannot access anything without having a permit of some description)

Then I look at the total fuck up that is the uk 65-70 million people. No one knows who is where, who is working where, God knows how many illegals are residing in the big cities.

Let's say, even if you did manage to find all the ones there illegally (because the Islamic rate for the uk is still under 10% and therefore manageable) the logistical task of working out where they came from, sending them back is going to be a disaster. It will look like concentration camps from ww2. None of our politic masters has the stomach for that kind of bad pr.

So my summary is that for the uk at least, you would have to declare an overnight amnesty and at the same time, secure the border.


My thoughts on this topic are also to do with my own domestic situation. Expanding family will force me to move over the border and buy somewhere in France. Knowing what I know, I know this is a shit idea but I will be in the pre alps countryside with little to none Islamics or any chance of getting blown up/beheaded/run over by a truck.

How then, do I square off what I know or think is coming for France and at the same time do what is best for us?View it as a temporary situation and get back into Switzerland as soon as finances allow?

You boys in the US complain a lot about your country but sitting here in Switzerland with a million new migrants above us in Germany and a sea of who knows what dominating the French major cities and all of the south of France to the left of us, not to mention a shit load of refugees just taken in by austia to our right. The south is Italy which is the gateway for people arriving from Africa. We are literally surrounded.

This is a bit of a ramble and to a certain extent I'm just airing those thoughts which worry me but I would be interested to hear from my fellow Europeans their thoughts on these topics.

(07-21-2016 10:29 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  

(07-21-2016 08:33 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  How it will turn out?
Either Europeans surrender or they spill blood.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I suppose Thomas Jefferson wasn't even thinking about fighting off a muslim invasion, but his words are very accurate.


I have spent past couple of days trying to think on what to do with the existing muslims in Europe that were born here.
Send them back? Back to where if they are "French" and never been to Algeria?
Even though I am an advocate of free speech and freedom of religion, I agree with a ban of Islam, Islamic congregation, and the consequent destruction of mosques. Not very "western" and certainly not tolerant, but sometimes we need to sacrifice some of our own values.

I've been pondering this question myself recently, specifically in relation to brexit and the inevitable comparisons of where it will end up, maybe in a Swiss style model.

The problem with that is that Switzerland is a country with only about 6-8 million people. In a population that small, it's relatively easy to keen track of people, especially with the way they organise work and living permits. (Basically, you cannot access anything without having a permit of some description)

Then I look at the total fuck up that is the uk 65-70 million people. No one knows who is where, who is working where, God knows how many illegals are residing in the big cities.

Let's say, even if you did manage to find all the ones there illegally (because the Islamic rate for the uk is still under 10% and therefore manageable) the logistical task of working out where they came from, sending them back is going to be a disaster. It will look like concentration camps from ww2. None of our politic masters has the stomach for that kind of bad pr.

So my summary is that for the uk at least, you would have to declare an overnight amnesty and at the same time, secure the border.


My thoughts on this topic are also to do with my own domestic situation. Expanding family will force me to move over the border and buy somewhere in France. Knowing what I know, I know this is a shit idea but I will be in the pre alps countryside with little to none Islamics or any chance of getting blown up/beheaded/run over by a truck.

How then, do I square off what I know or think is coming for France and at the same time do what is best for us?View it as a temporary situation and get back into Switzerland as soon as finances allow?

You boys in the US complain a lot about your country but sitting here in Switzerland with a million new migrants above us in Germany and a sea of who knows what dominating the French major cities and all of the south of France to the left of us, not to mention a shit load of refugees just taken in by austia to our right. The south is Italy which is the gateway for people arriving from Africa. We are literally surrounded.

This is a bit of a ramble and to a certain extent I'm just airing those thoughts which worry me but I would be interested to hear from my fellow Europeans their thoughts on these topics.

I think you wrapped it up nicely there. Very succinct and realistic account of what real Europeans are facing. Beyond all of the theorizing making a living and planning a family with the current mess is tantamount to mission impossible. Way too much uncertainty on all fronts - socially, economically, financially, culturally, and in terms of personal security. Why would any of us risk raising a child in this environment? Forget about getting divorce raped. Worry about real rape and other bodily harm you or your family may have to face!

Now the Muzzies - they just don't give a fuck. Because they have zero quarrels about popping out another ten low IQ future offenders. Even if eight of them die in the struggle the remaining two will wind up running things 20 years from now. THAT is how THEY think while WE are debating scenarios on the Internet and are paying for THEIR social services with our taxes.



I want to believe there is a solution. I really do. But seeing the current social trends here in Europe I cannot help but expect the worst.

Maybe we can hope for the Chinese to safe us. They buy so many companies and property in Germany, it's amazing. Also how much they own now in African countries. The migrant invasion is one thing but after the complete collapse of the EU and maybe civil war, Chinese are still the owner.
In Germany I don't hope for a turn. Germans still want to be "moderate" and think about everything before take any action. Its not that we are unable to take action but its so much talk before. Maybe some areas will bring back no go areas for Muslims. Its an illusion that we are the end of history. The EU can and maybe will fail and that also democracy how we know it is not the final solution. Things will fall apart but you can still live nice in many areas in Germany. We all will just get more and more used to a little wake up by another fanatic Muslim and then move on to our ordinary life.

(07-18-2016 06:09 PM)rotekz Wrote:  

Quote:"The motive for the attack is not yet clear."

RAF airman out jogging outside the airforce base is accosted by two Middle Eastern looking men wielding knives but escapes.

"Police are open minded about motives."

(07-21-2016 01:51 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

(07-18-2016 06:09 PM)rotekz Wrote:  

Quote:"The motive for the attack is not yet clear."

RAF airman out jogging outside the airforce base is accosted by two Middle Eastern looking men wielding knives but escapes.

"Police are open minded about motives."

Maybe he accidentally ran over their praying carpets?

There is a new shooting in a shopping mall in Munich today, very fresh so news it yet to come, but there are deaths.

Another week, another Muslim Massacre:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/E...2-13-37-20

REPORTS: 6 DEAD IN MUNICH MALL SHOOTING; MANHUNT UNDERWAY

Quote:MUNICH (AP) -- A manhunt was underway Friday for a shooter or shooters who opened fire at a shopping mall in Munich, killing six people and wounding others, police and media reports said. The city transit system shut down and police asked people to stay inside their homes and otherwise avoid public places.

"At the moment no culprit has been arrested," police in the Bavarian capital said on social media. "The search is taking place at high speed."

The city of Munich sent a smartphone alert telling people to stay indoors and German rail company Deutsche Bahn stopped train traffic to Munich's main station.

Police said witnesses reported seeing three people with guns near the Olympia Einkaufszentrum mall.

Munich police spokeswoman Claudia Kuenzel told The Associated Press there were "several dead and wounded" in the shooting. She could not provide exact numbers. Bavarian public broadcaster Bayrischer Rundfunk and Munich-based Focus magazine, citing sources they did not identify, said six people were killed.

Munich police spokesman Thomas Baumann told German news agency dpa the attack started at a fast food restaurant in the mall shortly before 6 p.m. local time.

Bayrischer Rundfunk reported that shops in the center of Munich had closed with customers inside though police said reports of shots fired at a location downtown had been a false alarm.

Police responded in large numbers to the mall in the northern part of Munich, not far from the city's Olympic Stadium in the Moosach district of the Bavarian capital.

It was the second attack in Germany in less than a week. On Monday, a 17-year-old Afghan wounded four people in an ax-and-knife attack on a regional train near the Bavarian city of Wuerzburg, and another woman outside as he fled. All survived, although one man from the train remains in life-threatening condition. The attacker was shot and killed by police.

The Islamic State group claimed responsibility for the train attack, but authorities have said the teen likely acted alone.

Usual suspects, usual denials from authorities. Just more suicide from the cucks.

Also Parzival, this happened in Bavaria, I thought your place was under control? Guess they had you fooled too?

BBC is utterly disgusting. "Of course we don't know who the perpetrator is. They could be right wing extremists".

Although they are 99.99 times out of 100 times muslim migrants...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/6924...1466232345

Shooter was likely of Turkish origin - here he shouts with some locals that he is "German" - born here.
Many Turks have a distinctive accent even when born in Germany and it seems that I can hear it.

Being born in Germany does not mean that you consider yourself truly German.

Homegrown terror Germany has now. The more young men do offensive Jihad, the more other Muslims are emboldened to follow suit. It is a logical step in the process of Islamic Jihad. It simply moves into the next phase.

As for what should be done it is clear in my mind - Islam has to be severely restricted in any country that wishes to stay terror free and free of Jihad. I would personally ban it, close all mosques, send back all Muslims who don't have citizenship, stop accepting all Muslims etc.

But nothing of that sort will ever happen. The globalists know what they are doing. They want this conflict, so all our thoughts are like wishes of a 5 year old for a unicorn.

Also there are so many top-down created terrorist attacks, false flags in addition to the ones perpetrated by the Jihadis, that this entire terrorism thing is one globalist clusterfuck. It is like a poisonous snake that feeds upon itself.

In the end there will come a super-Orwellian police state or a global war with the Muslim world (while either Russia or China aid them for a while, because otherwise it would be over too soon). Take your pick - none of it is appealing.

^^^^ Agreed as usually, but would go even far, to say that the Islamic State in itself is a false flag.

(07-22-2016 02:32 PM)Flying Donkey Wrote:  BBC is utterly disgusting. "Of course we don't know who the perpetrator is. They could be right wing extremists".

The badly listing multicultural vessel badly needs a 'right wing extremist' to kick off somewhere.

The media saying he yelled "fucking forefingers" before start shooting, I know is was a lie, just like Cox murder the media saying the killer yelled "Britain First" before killing her, the narrative they want to push is the killers are xenophobic Europeans.

It was a 18 old German Iranian guy. Some guy that did film him did yelled "fucking foreigner" to him, the offender did respond that he is German.
So far it seems like a rampage, he did invite many young people to the mall with the goal to kill them.

(07-23-2016 02:28 AM)Latinopan Wrote:  The media saying he yelled "fucking forefingers" before start shooting, I know is was a lie, just like Cox murder the media saying the killer yelled "Britain First" before killing her, the narrative they want to push is the killers are xenophobic Europeans.

(07-22-2016 06:10 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/6924...1466232345

Shooter was likely of Turkish origin - here he shouts with some locals that he is "German" - born here.
Many Turks have a distinctive accent even when born in Germany and it seems that I can hear it.

Being born in Germany does not mean that you consider yourself truly German.

Homegrown terror Germany has now. The more young men do offensive Jihad, the more other Muslims are emboldened to follow suit. It is a logical step in the process of Islamic Jihad. It simply moves into the next phase.

As for what should be done it is clear in my mind - Islam has to be severely restricted in any country that wishes to stay terror free and free of Jihad. I would personally ban it, close all mosques, send back all Muslims who don't have citizenship, stop accepting all Muslims etc.

But nothing of that sort will ever happen. The globalists know what they are doing. They want this conflict, so all our thoughts are like wishes of a 5 year old for a unicorn.

Also there are so many top-down created terrorist attacks, false flags in addition to the ones perpetrated by the Jihadis, that this entire terrorism thing is one globalist clusterfuck. It is like a poisonous snake that feeds upon itself.

In the end there will come a super-Orwellian police state or a global war with the Muslim world (while either Russia or China aid them for a while, because otherwise it would be over too soon). Take your pick - none of it is appealing.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-57190...pid1356177

There is a thread on the topic - my initial perception was not correct. This time it was not about Islam.

Poor German with dual citizenship (Iran), born in Germany, had a Breivik pic as his avatar, researched amok shootings, called himself German during the "talk" with the pensioner. As much as I criticize Islam, this was something else. Deluded depressed bullied Omega male killed mostly Turks and Kosovars - he wanted to pull in more of them into the McDonald's - that is the farthest thing from a Jihadi. Also in the end he killed himself, which is also an anti-Jihadi thing to do. You die fighting, but you don't go out by your own sword.

That guy would have run a different course if he found a more positive reference group - like us, learned Game, got laid, worked out, became more positive in outlook and discipline.