(07-20-2016 12:42 PM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  What to answer to girl when she says she loves/likes me (considering her LTR)? Is it possible to answer the same and maintain the frame?

Means you fucked up in the framing at the beginning or you gave her the impression that you're an acceptable man that she can love.

No easy answer, and the hard answer is trying to attach her feelings to something else, or go really dark triad.

WIA

Talking with this girl on tinder, she is very forward. After some heated texting at 2am she asked me for fotos "to better see how I am physically" (if my Portuguese serves correctly).

I am 1. Self conscious 2. Suspecting a scam (or maybe hoping it is a scam defensively) 3. Thinking I should make her do something first.

Advice?

(07-20-2016 12:42 PM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  What to answer to girl when she says she loves/likes me (considering her LTR)? Is it possible to answer the same and maintain the frame?

"I'd love/like me to "

Or the infamous:


Now the question is, do you feel the same way about her ? If it's too early to tell on your end, tease her a bit about it, acknowledge her, but if you don't feel that way then don't respond in kind.

If she calls you out on it, tell her with you, these things take time, and your actions speak louder than just a word.

"I'm more of a guy who shows it, than says it"

"I know you do doll" -change of subject-

Girl: "Why won't you say it back ?"
You: "Because it takes me longer to say that, and I don't use it often, so it loses it's meaning.

I've used a mix of these when my last LTR said it first and I didn't say anything. She fell in love with me before I did.

'I know, ' or "I like you."

If you wanna go really hardcore alpha my favorite response is, 'Noted.'

The one thing worse than a last-minute flake from a hot girl is-- she shows up, talks little, is boring, has nothing to say.

I had this girl drive over an hour to see me last night, and I'm sure she was a bit shy, but she was completely closed off the entire time. I'm pissed at myself for not aborting earlier, but wanted to give it the college try as she had an outstanding slim body and nice face.

(07-20-2016 04:13 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  The one thing worse than a last-minute flake from a hot girl is-- she shows up, talks little, is boring, has nothing to say.

I had this girl drive over an hour to see me last night, and I'm sure she was a bit shy, but she was completely closed off the entire time. I'm pissed at myself for not aborting earlier, but wanted to give it the college try as she had an outstanding slim body and nice face.

Need more details, did you war her up via text or phone ?

Figure out some similarities, a woman will open for the right man.

The fact she drove over an hour to see you shows you have at least some SMV.

How was she being closed off an shy ?

Give us a simple play by play of the date.

@Storm

Tough one. You've basically fallen into her frame. Assuming you don't have six pack abs, you have to attack her mind via the composition of the shot. The shot of you has to tell a story that she finds compelling.

Off top, you're trying to sell sexuality, power, masculinity with the pic.

You'll need a buddy for this.

Imagine
- gym
- bench press
- you under the bar
- shot from above
- hands on the bar pushing up
- sweating, veins bulging, jaw clenched, look of determination
- cut off t shirt to show bulging biceps
- whole frame is primarily your head, shoulders, and chest
- black and white

Sort of like this, just move the camera and focus it on the shoulders. This allows you to not focus on your "problem areas"



And for giggles, take a behind the scenes shot with the bar and 2.5 lb plates

But that's my five minute idea.

WIA

(07-20-2016 03:38 PM)storm Wrote:  Talking with this girl on tinder, she is very forward. After some heated texting at 2am she asked me for fotos "to better see how I am physically" (if my Portuguese serves correctly).

I am 1. Self conscious 2. Suspecting a scam (or maybe hoping it is a scam defensively) 3. Thinking I should make her do something first.

Advice?

At this pace girls will ask for bank accounts before a date.

Keep your frame and be playful, my rule is to send pics only if she sends first. There´s nothing worse than sending pics and the girls ghosts.

(07-20-2016 04:18 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 04:13 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  The one thing worse than a last-minute flake from a hot girl is-- she shows up, talks little, is boring, has nothing to say.

I had this girl drive over an hour to see me last night, and I'm sure she was a bit shy, but she was completely closed off the entire time. I'm pissed at myself for not aborting earlier, but wanted to give it the college try as she had an outstanding slim body and nice face.

Need more details, did you war her up via text or phone ?

Figure out some similarities, a woman will open for the right man.

The fact she drove over an hour to see you shows you have at least some SMV.

How was she being closed off an shy ?

Give us a simple play by play of the date.

It was the weirdest thing. She's 21 so we texted. She was very open to driving like 2.5 hrs total to see me in the city [she lives in sticks].

She arrives, nice heels, nice cleavage top although she's slender as mentioned but the bra is doing god's work. Tight, ripped jeans - not my favorite but looks good on her. We kiss on the cheek and chat, then take elevator up to a rooftop bar, order the same drink.

She is sitting next to me on the coach, but facing totally forward, legs+heels pressed together. Doesn't want to turn her head, face me, shift body, anything. We have a drink, she is shy and doesn't say much but does answer questions and then asks a few. Posture never changes until the end, definitely some silences but I fill them after a while. She's not on her phone. No apps, we get another drink, eventually she crosses her ankles to face me and I do some very light kino but....she's like completely neutral not even negative. Was like playing tennis against a wall. Nice enough girl but maybe just zero personality?

This has literally never happened to me before - unable to open a girl like this. Negative initial [or later] reaction I can deal with, not everyone likes me which is fine. So we finished the 2nd drink, got up and left together, walked her to the parking lot which was on my way, kissed her goodbye, she was fairly polite throughout and I wouldn't meet her again if she asked. In retrospect I should have cut my losses and gone to hang out with my friends earlier.

But I have 2 hotter girls on tap for Thurs night, so that's bound to go better.

It's always good to get girls to start talking about sexual things and even past relationships on dates. Especially a first date.

I'm curious about techniques some of you use to broach that subject.

That is, going from mundane talk of travel, food, her favorite things to do on the weekend to segueing her into talking about her past relationships / sexual spiked convo without appearing "boorish".

Please share.

The emotionally closed off girl is one of the problems I haven't solved. And her sister, the boring girl.

Sometimes something happens during the date and she comes alive, but nothing I can say "Aha, that is the key"

Part of me feels that there is a fix out there if you could just get in the chicks head.

I'm inclined to learn that scientific game involving 20+ questions plus the soul gaze. Set up the whole thing with a yes ladder.

I'm afraid that it'll work too well though.

WIA

It's definitely about getting into her mind and fucking it. (this is a whole different subject)

Someone women close off when you get them outside of their element.

This is why I like being able to have the opportunity to shoot pool.

It gets you away from the drinks for a bit, you stand up, walk around, most girls are shitty at pool, it's kino time, crack some jokes, and go from there.

Face to face during drinks is great for the initial convo, but I like to get moving, if we don't play pool then we're walking to a city center or artificial lake, or fountain.

For example, last night, average latina, drinks, shot pool, kino, teased her, bounced, walked to the a small city central park, made fun of all the pokemon go people, had this dude and his chick approach me about my beard.

I was eyeing this smokeshow across the walkway who had a tight tan dress on, banging body, all the while her dude (might of been gay friend) was running around chasing Pokemon.

Eventually we make out, but before we shot pool, she was a little stiff, was neutral on body language, but good eye contact.

I tend to do the same
- experiential dates
- cold reads and accusations
- flirting
- 90/10 on the conversation
- Kino early and often
- time distortion through taking a chick to different places

And then you run into chicks that just want to be awkward.

As long as she doesn't leave or go for the phone, I feel like there's still a chance.

WIA

My favorite is saying outrageous things about the date to my date.

"Last date I had was 15 minutes long"
"You don't seem that crazy"
"Hey you can always leave"
"You're alright.....I mean there's some things to work on"

Always with a grin.

The shock value makes them laugh, stories start coming out, you get more in depth, deeper into her mind.

Sometimes I mildly but intentionally say stuff like that to interrupt the flow of a date.

I've never had a girl ever get pissed at me or walk out on me from that, it's all about how you frame it and sell it.

(07-20-2016 06:21 PM)kaotic Wrote:  My favorite is saying outrageous things about the date to my date.

"Last date I had was 15 minutes long"
"You don't seem that crazy"
"Hey you can always leave"
"You're alright.....I mean there's some things to work on"

Always with a grin.

The shock value makes them laugh, stories start coming out, you get more in depth, deeper into her mind.

Sometimes I mildly but intentionally say stuff like that to interrupt the flow of a date.

I've never had a girl ever get pissed at me or walk out on me from that, it's all about how you frame it and sell it.

I love this shit.

"Well this date is going well..."

"Hold on...let me text my friend to come pick me up..."

Classic PUA. "That's it we're breaking up."

^^^^^^^ not the same, but:

Was out recently. Chick said she wanted to eat indian food. I told her I don't want to eat indian food. That I didn't even want to eat dinner.

Her "so it's about you? "
Me "its always about me."
Her "you're gonna be eating alone on this date."
Me "I may not eat with you but I won't be eating alone."
She stopped messing with me, almost.

We later went to my favorite bakery as I wanted to get some stuff for my midnight snack. We're standing there ordering and she says something silly. I stonecold stare at her then she makes this forced embarrassing giggle. Coincidently I remember I'm parked at a hydrant so I walk out without saying anything to go check on the car. Seconds later she runs out after me she thought I was leaving her there.

Deep inside I was laughing my ass off. I was freakin balling inside....

(07-20-2016 12:42 PM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  What to answer to girl when she says she loves/likes me (considering her LTR)? Is it possible to answer the same and maintain the frame?

"Come here"

*Gives peck on cheek, then smacks her ass.

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So, Im broke again. My credit cards are overdrafted ('cept Amex which id rather not use) and i have 7 pesos, thats about 40 cents, on my account.

Had 3 client prospects last week and all fell through. Just needed 1 to break the rut.

Oddly, thats not what has me feeling down. All the women Ive been going out recently seem to have nothing in the head. Its depressing to think that of all the women I know, theres not a worthy one to take the domesting feelings Ive been having for the last couple months out on.

I switched my hustle switch on yesterday and sold a couple of books I had lying around my place. That gives me enough to move around using the subway, so transport is taken care of. I have 10 days to figure something out.

(07-20-2016 03:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 12:42 PM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  What to answer to girl when she says she loves/likes me (considering her LTR)? Is it possible to answer the same and maintain the frame?

"I'd love/like me to "

Or the infamous:


Now the question is, do you feel the same way about her ? If it's too early to tell on your end, tease her a bit about it, acknowledge her, but if you don't feel that way then don't respond in kind.

If she calls you out on it, tell her with you, these things take time, and your actions speak louder than just a word.

"I'm more of a guy who shows it, than says it"

"I know you do doll" -change of subject-

Girl: "Why won't you say it back ?"
You: "Because it takes me longer to say that, and I don't use it often, so it loses it's meaning.

I've used a mix of these when my last LTR said it first and I didn't say anything. She fell in love with me before I did.

I like her and would like to LTR her, so I don´t see any problem in answering the same. I just would like her to be not sure about me, that was my problem in some past cases and I am fighting it.

I'm supposed to be seeing this girl tomorrow who I met in a small town last week. We've been out once and it went very well but I failed to get the bang despite getting her to my house and heavy kissing taking place throughout the date.. But before meeting her last week I pretty much ran the same script with a few other girls in the same town. She just messaged me stating that tomorrow is off as she has somehow found out about me talking to the other girls, running the same script.

How would you guys advise me to proceed? Is the situation even salvageable?

This was a mistake

" failed to get the bang despite getting her to my house and heavy kissing taking place throughout the date."

She knows that you expect sex. Build heat without being all over the chick.

Her knowing you run game on other chicks is a plus, not a negative.

WIA

(07-21-2016 12:50 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  This was a mistake

" failed to get the bang despite getting her to my house and heavy kissing taking place throughout the date."

She knows that you expect sex. Build heat without being all over the chick.

Her knowing you run game on other chicks is a plus, not a negative.

WIA

Yeah I realised that it was a mistake during the date. I went against one the fundamental rules that Tuthmosis wrote in his first date bang recipe.

Yeah so far I've just stood my ground and claimed that I like talking to people. How should I proceed?

Poker I probaby would not bother, just like with sales you want to anchor the value somewhere high, you will be struggling the whole time. It looks from what you've said that she thinka you're some one shot trick and not a player...you need to have more intrigue about you.

If it is pretty witty, maybe say "I just made it myself what do you think?"

However. Since you've seen her already and she is not radio silent it is on.

I would just forget about the thing it builds drama and intrigue which is good. let it simmer. Change subject, if she brings it up again say you came up with it when you were sending her a msg and it worked generally well.

Don't stand your ground. There is nothing to get defensive over.

You need to hammer her insecurity and immaturity.

WIA

Quote:Since the breakup, I've had a lot of focus and many things have fallen into place somehow. Past exes apologizing, karma getting people back, family making peace and my goals/mission aligning. I also realized how much I'm lacking in friends.

Just wanted to say in hindsight; heeding your advice may have been the wiser choice. Thanks again for taking the time back then to give counsel -really appreciate it.

It's messages like this that keeps me coming back here almost every single day.

I love being able to help other gents out and here I am still learning and listening as well.

It's a good Saturday, cheers !

Finally got some gym game going. This was a big hurdle for me...I always felt nervous as fuck, I knew I would see the girls again. But then Isaac Jordan reminded me that it's all a game...the only way to lose is if you're not having fun! This is still a work in progress and until I get the bang I will keep experimenting.

Shoutout to Giovonny for the "removing your headphone" signal/trick, if a girl has headphones on, I just remove my headphones as I'm talking to her so she knows I want her to take her headphones out.

I've only done between 5 and 10 approaches but already I am happy with the progress. Openers I've used:

Day Bang Indirect: "Hey where did you get those shoes/foam roller/whatever?"
GLL Direct: "Hi I know this is random but I thought you were cute and had to say hey"
Natural: "Killing it!"

After that I just talk about random shit. How's your session going, what are you hitting, you from around here...whatever.

The other hangup I had about approaching at the gym is "what if things go wrong? She'll definitely think I'm a creep and will spread my reputation. Wrong wrong wrong. If I approach a girl and it goes wrong...it doesn't matter. She'll tell her friends "this guy approached me at the gym today" but guess what...they enjoy talking to me, we laugh, and if they end up rejecting me when I go for the phone number...whatever! I'll still say hi to them around the gym. Maybe they'll hook me up with one of their friends. Another side effect is that guys see me.