Post: #151

U have to understand that china is a materlistic society.

Post: #152

(03-19-2016 06:59 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 11:27 AM)Travesty Wrote:  Let's say I wifed a UA girl. Here is a scenario that seems more common to happen than with women of other culture from what I have built in my mind. I buy her a practical car let's say after having a kid.

Now all of sudden she wants a $60k Lexus because the neighbor has one and guilts me for not being able to afford that for her status needs.

That would never be fun for me no matter what kind of mental gymnastics you can come up with.

That money is better spent on so many other things. Plus those types of fights on a smaller scale with overpriced clothes and bullshit - no thanks.

Agree completely. You have to know what you want first and if that is a normal life without all the bling, great.

A couple years ago I had a LTR with a nice 24 year old Chinese girl, architect at the best firm in NE China, parents in government, going to give her 200k USD when she got married. I broke up with her because while she kept saying money wasn't important to her, I would watch her ogle BMW and Lexus. The one day talking about cars she said, sure, a Toyota is nice for the first car, but then we get a Lexus or two, right? Next week I let her go.

People can play that game where "I really want to work 60+ hours a week to buy stuff ". I don't play that game.

Nobody is saying you have to play THOSE games, because then it becomes the girls' games, not yours.

Just like you get girls for your own happiness, you get money for your own happiness. And in both cases, you get enough of each for your own happiness.

On a side note, you will never escape shit-tests from women. If it isn't about money, it'll be about something else. Women do shit-tests as automatically as we gaze at hot girls. Just like we're programmed to find the most fertile wombs, they're programmed to find the man with the strongest set of boundaries (both of which ultimately helps the kids).

Post: #153

What 262 said ^

(03-19-2016 11:27 AM)Travesty Wrote:  Let's say I wifed a UA girl. Here is a scenario that seems more common to happen than with women of other culture from what I have built in my mind. I buy her a practical car let's say after having a kid.

Now all of sudden she wants a $60k Lexus because the neighbor has one and guilts me for not being able to afford that for her status needs.

That would never be fun for me no matter what kind of mental gymnastics you can come up with.

That money is better spent on so many other things. Plus those types of fights on a smaller scale with overpriced clothes and bullshit - no thanks.

If you marry a girl who decides that her having a $60k Lexus is more important than the stability of your family unit and financial security of your newborn you have married a status obsessed idiot. Again the fault for that would lie in large part with you.

That is what the dating process is for, to know her well, to meet her parents and see their relationship, meet her siblings and what their relationships are like. During the dating period you'll have ups and downs financially, how does she respond to those situations? Demand a Lexus in the good times or leave you in the bad?

The way you are describing things is putting the cart before the horse.

The centre is superficial which is great for fun but not for finding a wife. If you want to find a wife go to Pozniaki or Darnitsa where there are thousands of regular girls with regular jobs who want to start families and are not demanding sport's cars. For them just escaping a shared room with four other girls would be akin to winning the lottery.

Post: #154

Here are a few current thoughts mixed in with some older posts from a guy who is a little longer in the tooth. I am over 50 myself and I date only those who are 29 and younger (well 98% of the time). The 23-26 range really keeps my engines roaring especially since they have minimum drag. I have found that having status (reputation, power, money) is primary as well as a more youthful look, particularly a more flattened stomach. As we age gentlemen ripped abs are possible with a good diet and solid exercise; body fat is the issue. As always genetics help, and solid game is icing on the cake. My main psychological key, is that I honestly do not feel out of place with younger women and I think this makes a world of difference with their acceptance if they have an inner conflict based on some social barrier.

Having women seems so much easier to me now than it has been in the last 30 years, I hope that is encouraging. Of course it is different. Women seem to be much weaker now on an internal level, probably due to social decay and a general lack of character. This begs the question of the worthiness of these women to be with any man; much less a man of accomplishment, but you can be the judge of that.

I have touched all seven continents; to include over 150 countries, and have planted my flag is a fair percentage of those counties and it is personally very difficult for me to run anything other than ´ I do not give a crap´ game for the females in the US and Canada because they are not worthy of my time unless they are involved in an activity that I am already doing. Some Southern European game can be fun (particularly in Spain and Italy), as well as Eastern European game (particularly in Romania, Ukraine, and Poland). I find that the beauties of various islands around the world (whether it be the Caribbean, North Pacific, South Pacific or Indian Ocean, the Mediterranean is interesting) to be good fishing prospects as they do not carry as much modern baggage and they seem to handle their baggage in a way that encourages me to allow them to spent more time in my company. My two cents, for what it is worth.

With regard to younger women and the age issue, my father gave me a nugget of gold on this one when I was a young man; ¨If they do not like you, Fuck ´em.¨ I found this to be solid, so thanks dad. My experience has shown me that about 20% of Latin American women will have an issue with you simply because you are (or look) older. As if 80% of Latin American women are not enough to satisfy (me). With Asian women it varies from 20-30 percent depending on the development and westernization of the country with more development and westernization being a higher percentage. Vietnam and Thailand are different from South Korea and Japan. European women vary greatly between 20-40 percent (in general Eastern Europe is less than Western Europe. In North America (Canada and the US) it is closer to 30-40%. I generally assume that in Europe and North America, they want the financial goodies that you can provide as part of the package. I am of the opinion that it is a social construct (such as this guy is older and I do not want to be perceived as a prostitute) in their head and most probably changes only slightly due to status, looks or game. When I see these signs from a woman, I put another roll of numbers on my mental meat counter and silently say, next. With women who are on the border with age issues, game is paramount.

In regard to some younger women, I am OK with offspring if she is the type of woman that motivates me toward fulfilling my purpose as well as having other demonstrated tier 1 qualities. In a recent experience I knew a younger female swimmer whose genetic makeup matched with her unconscious interest kicked off something in me unconsciously with regard to offspring. I understand myself enough to know that I will not be limited to one female, even if she is (one of) the mother(s) of my children. My exceptions are no American, Canadian and a number of Western European women as potential bearers of my offspring, as I will not go for more than FB´s due to toxicity (cultural and legal).

She needs to be OK with me traveling on my own terms and not being present with her or the family for long periods of time (whether she knows or does not know that I have others around the world is not as important to me). This will be difficult (but not impossible) for most women in today´s world. I accept this and may give them a chance to earn a promotion to my LTR world (for that country). I will give them an opportunity to demonstrate to me that they can handle my conditions, but I do not hold my breath. I do pause with girls like this, even in the interim; as I think, here is a pretty or beautiful woman that I find attractive, she has great genetics, good values, comes from a strong family, low notch count and at least inspires me to romance, so I slowly give her increased opportunities to garner my attention based on her actions. However, my instincts (and often experience) show me that she will not make the last hurdle and will want me to be with her and her alone. I am not a cold hearted bastard all of the time and I realize that a female has a limited window and I do not want to use all of her window knowing that I want something else. So, I give them a window (usually 6 months, but less than 12 months) to illustrate to me that they can make the leap; otherwise I invest less attention, and at a maximum she will be a regular LTR for that country.

One thing that I am beginning to notice as I get older, and the age difference is increasing from 30 to 35 years, I feel something is not the same. I do not know if it is something internal to me as the difference increases past 25-30 years (where I still feel very comfortable), or whether the generational difference is well past one full generation and getting closer to two generations, something naturally happens. Perhaps it is my approaching a physical wall or experiencing some type of mental wall. I need more experience to explore this and report with greater clarity.

Post: #155

Well said NASA Test Pilot. Thanks for passing down that nugget of wisdom.

Post: #156

(03-19-2016 08:21 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  U have to understand that china is a materlistic society.

Doesn't mean he has to accept it.

Post: #157

(03-20-2016 05:15 AM)262 Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 06:59 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  

(03-19-2016 11:27 AM)Travesty Wrote:  Let's say I wifed a UA girl. Here is a scenario that seems more common to happen than with women of other culture from what I have built in my mind. I buy her a practical car let's say after having a kid.

Now all of sudden she wants a $60k Lexus because the neighbor has one and guilts me for not being able to afford that for her status needs.

That would never be fun for me no matter what kind of mental gymnastics you can come up with.

That money is better spent on so many other things. Plus those types of fights on a smaller scale with overpriced clothes and bullshit - no thanks.

Agree completely. You have to know what you want first and if that is a normal life without all the bling, great.

A couple years ago I had a LTR with a nice 24 year old Chinese girl, architect at the best firm in NE China, parents in government, going to give her 200k USD when she got married. I broke up with her because while she kept saying money wasn't important to her, I would watch her ogle BMW and Lexus. The one day talking about cars she said, sure, a Toyota is nice for the first car, but then we get a Lexus or two, right? Next week I let her go.

People can play that game where "I really want to work 60+ hours a week to buy stuff ". I don't play that game.

Nobody is saying you have to play THOSE games, because then it becomes the girls' games, not yours.

Just like you get girls for your own happiness, you get money for your own happiness. And in both cases, you get enough of each for your own happiness.

On a side note, you will never escape shit-tests from women. If it isn't about money, it'll be about something else. Women do shit-tests as automatically as we gaze at hot girls. Just like we're programmed to find the most fertile wombs, they're programmed to find the man with the strongest set of boundaries (both of which ultimately helps the kids).

I don't understand what possible angle you are coming at this. If this was your point to turn to Master Troll this is it!

You are the guy that did extreme early retirement to escape to Poland (an inexpensive country).

Maybe you are building companies and trying to expand your wealth to provide status and I am missing something.

Trust me I want to build wealth too. Wealth to get a nicer home (not flashier). Wealth to take more extended vacations (not the Four Seasons or Ritz Carlton) - rather go on a surf camp trip to Costa Rica. To spend more time with family. To go to school or lessons for arts or sports I love. Wealth to retire earlier. To have better health care and augmentations the future will surely provide.

Not wealth to satisfy materialism.

Post: #158

(03-21-2016 02:42 AM)The Ligurian Wrote:  That is what the dating process is for, to know her well, to meet her parents and see their relationship, meet her siblings and what their relationships are like. During the dating period you'll have ups and downs financially, how does she respond to those situations? Demand a Lexus in the good times or leave you in the bad?


The centre is superficial which is great for fun but not for finding a wife. If you want to find a wife go to Pozniaki or Darnitsa where there are thousands of regular girls with regular jobs who want to start families and are not demanding sport's cars. For them just escaping a shared room with four other girls would be akin to winning the lottery.

Ok thanks for the clarification. It has seemed that UA and Russian girls if there was any country that had pros at having the sweet and practical upfront then slowly creeping over to the entitled and materialistic once they lock you down, they seem like they are it, and would be the toughest to screen against.

Because they supposedly have some of the best "girl game" in the world.

Thanks for the city tips as far as down to earth girls appreciated.

Post: #159

(03-21-2016 07:16 PM)Travesty Wrote:  I don't understand what possible angle you are coming at this. If this was your point to turn to Master Troll this is it!

You are the guy that did extreme early retirement to escape to Poland (an inexpensive country).

Maybe you are building companies and trying to expand your wealth to provide status and I am missing something.

Trust me I want to build wealth too. Wealth to get a nicer home (not flashier). Wealth to take more extended vacations (not the Four Seasons or Ritz Carlton) - rather go on a surf camp trip to Costa Rica. To spend more time with family. To go to school or lessons for arts or sports I love. Wealth to retire earlier. To have better health care and augmentations the future will surely provide.

Not wealth to satisfy materialism.

I think we're on the same page here.

I made my money work FOR me by retiring early and moving to Poland.

Now that that's done, any money I get on top of that is like points in a video game. In both cases, the game is for the fun of it, and not about status or materialism.

Post: #160

Does anyone have any info on Czech Republic and Hungary with regard to age differences?

Post: #161

I'm 41 and currently residing in Poland. I could pass for maybe 37, but not much better. My hair is graying a bit. I use "Just for men" and that shit just barely works. A few days later and some grey returns. I also have some belly that just wont go away despite eating healthy and exercising pretty consistently the last 3 months. Not too bad, I'm 6 1" and 205. So I got a little gut but I'm not totally obese or anything.

I came to Poland last year and just 1 year earlier I had many more IOI's from younger girls. They would never come unless they heard me speaking with my Canadian accent. I had a ONS with a 20 year old last year. But there was a lot of luck involved and she was heavily intoxicated.

I'm back in Poland and I have gone "card dead" so far in 1 week coming back. Any girls I'd peg at the 18-24 range have talked to me like I'm some kind of leper. There has been 1 exception. A 15-16 year old who overheard me speaking to my friend and basically "invited herself" to come along with us. It wasn't logistically possible at the moment.

I could honestly be trying harder. I've hit on about 10 girls in a week and I know that's not really good. The lack of IoI's is fucking with my confidence. I also haven't seen any big age difference couples. Though in Poland it's not so easy to tell, girls hang out with their dads sometimes and it's more family oriented.

Post: #162

(06-15-2016 10:56 AM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  I'm 41 and currently residing in Poland. I could pass for maybe 37, but not much better. My hair is graying a bit. I use "Just for men" and that shit just barely works. A few days later and some grey returns. I also have some belly that just wont go away despite eating healthy and exercising pretty consistently the last 3 months. Not too bad, I'm 6 1" and 205. So I got a little gut but I'm not totally obese or anything.

I came to Poland last year and just 1 year earlier I had many more IOI's from younger girls. They would never come unless they heard me speaking with my Canadian accent. I had a ONS with a 20 year old last year. But there was a lot of luck involved and she was heavily intoxicated.

I'm back in Poland and I have gone "card dead" so far in 1 week coming back. Any girls I'd peg at the 18-24 range have talked to me like I'm some kind of leper. There has been 1 exception. A 15-16 year old who overheard me speaking to my friend and basically "invited herself" to come along with us. It wasn't logistically possible at the moment.

I could honestly be trying harder. I've hit on about 10 girls in a week and I know that's not really good. The lack of IoI's is fucking with my confidence. I also haven't seen any big age difference couples. Though in Poland it's not so easy to tell, girls hang out with their dads sometimes and it's more family oriented.

I have many girls tell me in Ukraine that grey hairs actually turn them on, and they say that men shouldn't dye.

I think that Ukraine/Russia/Belarus are probably tops for age gap tolerance in Europe. An amiable 41yr old man who is in some kind of shape, dresses well, should have no problem attracting girls in their early 20's. Especially if you look younger, if not you can always lie.

With regard to the gut, you may want to write down what you are eating and drinking - many guys convince themselves they are eating enough, or healthy enough.

With the IOI's it might be worth giving your wardrobe a once over also, as we get older men generally need to dress better, whereas in our younger years we could get away with a cheap t-shirt and jeans due to our youthful looks and exuberance

Post: #163

I am unsure if the thread has this but the Philippines has a good acceptance of large age differences.

Post: #164

I'm bumping this because it's such an interesting topic. I wonder if there's a credible list or map somewhere that shows this sort of information at a glance.

Post: #165

Of the countries I've been to and live in, I'll throw out my best guess for each.

Philippines- 20-25 years
USA- 10 years max
Taiwan- 10 years max
Japan- 15-20 years

Reading those numbers, people probably assume all of them can be higher. That's true if you're rich in the US, Japan, and Taiwan. In the Philippines, it's more like after that difference, that's when the girl seems to stop seeing any kind of physical and romantic attraction and it becomes practically a straight-up exchange say between a 60 year old and 20 year old. Girls will do it, but solely for the money. Same in USA with 60 year old and 20 year old pairing.

Taiwan was probably my most surprising realization here but for an Asian country, they seem to be one of the most closed off to an age difference.

Post: #166

IMO age doesn't matter anywhere when it comes to two people that connect (on some level for whatever reason) (it only matters to feminists)

That said there are countries where the social/economic's environment plays a huge role in what a woman will go for (or settle for)

Let's not forget a lot of the posters here may look like Clooney or the Dog Faced Boy and some rich and some poor and likewise some old and some young. Any country fits (age gap wise) with a Clooney and more so if wealthy. The Dog Face Boy may want to up his status and improve himself because as I wrote above "people do connect" at any age range

One tidbit I look at when researching where to travel which flows on how an age gap will go over is:

1) Countries divorce rate...meaning to me the value placed by the locals (girls) on relationships (low value means a chick may show little concern over who she's interested in... young old pink or blue dudes ) but it also means other things... including relationship failure over economics (like Poland where a husband and wife in some cases live separately from EACH with their parents!)..(divorce is low in Poland..it's too hard to obtain but high with couples just living apart.. Catholic ideology)....ANY Country more so EE..a 18 yr old chick marrying a broke 18 yr old local guy probably separates at 23 yrs. old...that chick will be looking for a older dude. (especially if a single mom)

2) Average income ...this is a hoot to hear in the Ukraine (divorce rate 46%..don't quote me) some chicks being to embarrassed to say how much they earn. Polar opposite to western women where even on welfare they live in the land of plenty and choose to live a pubescent fat life 4ever...the bane of older western guys when that old hook of wealth/wisdom/status fails

3) A Countries Life Expectancy for "males" as an example next time your wandering around Manila count the number of old Filipino men around you (fuk you might see a guy you think is 65 but he's 38!!). This is just another age gap related factor where the local ladies see any man standing and walking as a prospect! Simply because the local guys are dying (for various reason's) young or aging like shit

4) Countries with a disparity in wealth (the 1 per-centers) where the only way to get out of a shit life and into the houses on the hill (Central/South America) ...is catching an older dude

IMO worldwide a chick wants to fall in love and get knocked up by at least 23 (western chicks know the orbiting beta's (sperm donor) she'll farm by 23, which she'll dump later... but she still wants that baby a smartphone a puppy and some tatt's)

Anyways it's just my opinion and up for debate (be gentle when tearing me to shreds)

Post: #167

For guys, if your on your game and you have your self confidence, it's a non issue what society thinks. As a matter of fact, it can be a turn on for girls to break these types of social constructions

A lot of the time, men gain their confidence as they age. When they are age appropriate they may be less secure and less worldly in what they are doing

Post: #168

(06-15-2016 10:56 AM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  I'm 41 and currently residing in Poland. I could pass for maybe 37, but not much better. My hair is graying a bit. I use "Just for men" and that shit just barely works. A few days later and some grey returns. I also have some belly that just wont go away despite eating healthy and exercising pretty consistently the last 3 months. Not too bad, I'm 6 1" and 205. So I got a little gut but I'm not totally obese or anything.

Exercise doesn't burn potbellies away, lower calories / paleo style diets do.

"Just for men" is a sucker play, you need a professional 'grey blending' at a Hair Salon.

Post: #169

(09-14-2017 02:35 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  I'm bumping this because it's such an interesting topic. I wonder if there's a credible list or map somewhere that shows this sort of information at a glance.

I think it would need to be compiled from this threads and others.

My chips:

UK: 10 years with a limited number of girls in the right circumstances; average is one year[1]
Bangladesh: most girls will be pleased with a ~10 year gap; most will accept 25-30.

Someone has done the heavy lifting for us:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...t_marriage

This of course doesn't take white, Western male into account.

Post: #170

gework, funny enough I'll spend the next week in Dhaka, it will be interesting to see

Post: #171

(09-14-2017 02:57 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  Of the countries I've been to and live in, I'll throw out my best guess for each.

Philippines- 20-25 years
USA- 10 years max
Taiwan- 10 years max
Japan- 15-20 years

Reading those numbers, people probably assume all of them can be higher. That's true if you're rich in the US, Japan, and Taiwan.

It's close but I've found USA is 10-15 years.

NOT based on $$$. However, you should be in decent shape for your age and take care of yourself. Then 15 years is realistic with a normal relationship.

Post: #172

No shortage of 16 year old hormonal country girls fluttering eyelids around my neck of the woods.

Two words for the guy's aiming for barely legal.

"Daddy issues."

If you can find a minimally damaged girl who's father was absent and get to her before she becomes a human train wreck then go for it. But plan on becoming a hermit for the first 10 years of the relationship.

Post: #173

(12-07-2017 05:38 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  No shortage of 16 year old hormonal country girls fluttering eyelids around my neck of the woods.

Two words for the guy's aiming for barely legal.

"Daddy issues."

If you can find a minimally damaged girl who's father was absent and get to her before she becomes a human train wreck then go for it. But plan on becoming a hermit for the first 10 years of the relationship.

Agreed

I might start asking young girls about their family situation from the outset, to see whether the father is still around and whether he is an alcoholic or not.

Post: #174

(12-07-2017 05:38 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  No shortage of 16 year old hormonal country girls fluttering eyelids around my neck of the woods.

Two words for the guy's aiming for barely legal.

"Daddy issues."

If you can find a minimally damaged girl who's father was absent and get to her before she becomes a human train wreck then go for it. But plan on becoming a hermit for the first 10 years of the relationship.

At least 20% of 18-22yo women fit that metric. You can be 20+ years older than them, but that does not mean that you can be fat, broke and Game-less.

Post: #175

I personally have nothing against the big differences in years between women and men, but I prefer when a woman is older and a man is younger. In England you often encounter such a thing.