(06-12-2016 03:11 PM)Touchmybanana Wrote:  went out last night after reading roosh blog on likely outcomes after 20 approaches. I have been doing it wrong the whole time - getting discouraged after a couple rejections.

Last night was different. Approached six girls that are 6-7. Number closed one, rejected by three, two awkward moments

For some reason, Eastern European girls just flock towards me. this happens always. Im in North America btw.

For raw #s, with no game, that sounds good.

The next step is to get serious about your game.

WIA

I can sense a flake coming my way

I just turned down sex.
This chick just invited me over/agreed to come if I paid for a cab. I said no.

She was way too toxic last time. 30 yr old crazy Tinder chick who I banged like 4-5 times. Always lots of bullshit, kind of an alchoholic, annoying as hell and turning out to be kind of psycho.
1st time hanging she invited me over and I banged her at her place after 2-3 hours LMR.
Each other time was at least an hour as well. It wouldn't be that bad if she was not annoying and nuts She just sucks. But is actually a good sucker.
She complained last time of bleeding every day since the last time I fucked her. Which I assumed had to be complete bullshit. She did have a Tampon in. Next day I realized the last time had probably been about a month before. And she'd taken the tampon out then after a bit and we banged. But she wouldn't take it out, so we did some stuff and she's blowing me and says that I should come in her mouth. A few minutes later that's about to happen and I give her the warning and she takes my cock out of her mouth and points it directly up toward me.
I quickly overpower her and redirect to her tits/stomach and blast a good 6-7 shots.
She's got a look on her face like a small child when it falls and gets hurt- in those two seconds before it starts crying. Then:

Her, in a nasty bratty tone: Lick it
Me, kind of aggro: WHAT? No.

Then she freaks out a bit, and tries to get me to hug her with the cum all over her. She's spreading her arms and saying "hug me" as she walks toward me like fucking Fatal Attraction. It was horrifying. I react viscerally pushing her away twice and the second time she falls on the ground. I go to the kitchen to get some paper towels, of which there are 3 left. I come back and the bedroom door is locked. I tell her I'm gonna break it down if she doesn't open it on count of three. She opens it. She says somethin like "you should go" and I'm like "yes I'm leaving" and i get out of there leaving behind an unfound sock.

So yeah I'm not jumping to hang with this girl tonight.
I'll save my load for my regular who gets back from visiting family out of state tomorrow eve. A few years older, but much more feminine, sexy, younger looking, submissive, and down.

(06-12-2016 12:28 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Mother - a glimpse into her biological future

Friends - who is influencing her, and how much you can get them to fall in line

So true - and the funny thing is I always got along better with her mother than her father. The guy spoiled the shit out of her and I'm sure that's where she picked up the princess attitude. Her mom would usually side with me in disputes. Shoulda married the mom.

(06-12-2016 01:50 PM)redbeard Wrote:  Whenever two RVF members put together a scheme:

Whenever others question the scheme that two RVF members put together:

Went to a beach bar solo Saturday afternoon to scope the scene - was way more empty than I thought it would be. Approached two girls sitting at a table who I caught looking at me. Invited myself to sit down, had a pretty fun convo for 15-20 minutes. Made false time constraint in attempt there interest high, got both numbers and bounced. Texted the cute single one and got a crappy, non-commital response 3 hours later. However, I was very happy with the whole interaction and proud that I was able to do it sober..

Went to jersey shore mega club at night and made a handful of shitty approaches. Barely a nibble, even from the mediocre chicks I was using to try and get some momentum. Frustrating.

Took a third of an E-pill I'd been saving for a few months when the main DJ came on because I thought it'd be fun. Consciously tried to change my mind set from "pussy acquisition mode" to "let's just have fun." Worked out well!

Started dancing in my own world, spilt some of my water on some hot black/greek mixed chick. She was cool about it and smiling so I said "come dance with me." I spun her around, she was into it, and we were grinding up on each other for a couple songs. We're both good dancers so we were getting into it. I made no attempt to hide my boner as she wiggled her ass all over it. I kissed her neck and shoulders, which she loved, but she turned me down for the makeout.

I told her I was getting a drink and asked her to come with. Got her a shot, went back to the dance floor, and within 30 seconds she "saw her friend" and left me to go dance all over him isntead. Ah - it makes sense now. Oh well - I was feeling great and it didn't bring down my mood at all.

Stayed till about 2 and then started my walk home. Stopped at a pizza place, got into a really fun conversation with a group of busted chicks. They invited me to sit at their table in the pizzeria, and the drunk girl next to me says loudly "do you want to come home with me?" The whole group was collectively shocked/amused/grossed out and we all laughed. I told her she's very forward.

I stuck around because I was still in a molly'd up talkative mood, I could tell all the girls were into me, I felt a group sex vibe going on, and they gave me two free slices of pizza.

The other girls start dropping out to go home while the drunk one propositions me at least 2 more times. I could either go home alone or bang that busted chick.

I walked a block towards my house, looked back at her dumb drunk ass waiting for a cab alone, and begrudgingly caved. Took her home, smashed twice, then drove her home to the next town over first thing in the morning as I couldn't stand to look at her or listen to her for another instant. Went home and took a very long shower.

(06-12-2016 10:53 PM)RockHard Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 12:28 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Mother - a glimpse into her biological future

Friends - who is influencing her, and how much you can get them to fall in line

So true - and the funny thing is I always got along better with her mother than her father. The guy spoiled the shit out of her and I'm sure that's where she picked up the princess attitude. Her mom would usually side with me in disputes. Shoulda married the mom.

If you can witness the *real* dynamic between mom and dad, and dad and daughter - that will tell you everything you need to know.

If Mom disrespects Dad, or daughter disrespects Dad - it's coming for you.

I just wish I realized at the time that I could actually read the writing that was on the wall.

WIA

Another big weekend. I'm loving nightgame again thanks to nofap. +3 new lays weekend before... and phone full to the brim of new contacts after this one.

I've got snapchat recently and been having a lot of fun with it. Great tool for showing girls you meet the cool shit you get up to. Plus you can double confirm they're hot or not when they send you unsolicited selfies haha. I highly recommend it

Anyone else get awful FOMO from Snapchat?

It's like Facebook bragging on steroids to some extent -- I don't WANT to have access to every fun moment a plate is having without me...

It's my own issue for feeling that way, but in my early 30s, it just feels worse, game advantages and strategic use notwithstanding.

I turned down a 7, 21yr old with a great rack, first time I've done anything like that. She showed up very casual for drinks [we agreed on a late-nite meet after her hostess job] took a little while to warm up but finally did, went to another bar but she just didn't pass the boner test. I've been getting a ton more hits and success with day game and cold openers.

In the past I woulda smashed 110% of the time. I guess this is proof my game has changed for the better. I've had better success with college/graduate 8s and 9s lately. I'm getting called an asshole as they are laughing on pretty much every meet, sometimes during the first drink. The nights are going well for me.

(06-14-2016 04:08 PM)456 Wrote:  Anyone else get awful FOMO from Snapchat?

It's like Facebook bragging on steroids to some extent -- I don't WANT to have access to every fun moment a plate is having without me...

It's my own issue for feeling that way, but in my early 30s, it just feels worse, game advantages and strategic use notwithstanding.

I had to google what you meant by FOMO.

Ur snapchat game is lacking if these bitches ain't snapping u sexy shit trying to get ur attention.

You need to beat them at their own game. Which is why you don't watch their storyline on a regular basis. You just let them view all the cool stuff your doing so that they will hit you up trying to hang out with you.
Example post videos of you with other hot girls doing fun stuff.
Since I spend a lot of time in Hollywood this is extremely easy to do as their are fun events all over. Girls will see this and your status will increase as they see you are out and about enjoying your life without them. They will then hit you up wanting to be apart of the action.


I use to be in the same position as you a few years ago I would view all these cute girls doing shit while I while at work or at home doing nothing.

That shit fucks with your head which made me stop watching their storyline and go out and daygame/nightgame harder as in reality I don't give a fuck what the bitch is doing unless she is with me.

Nowadays a lot of these bitches are extremely boring posting the same selfie of themselves in 1,000 different ways using annoying filters like that dog filter, or flowers filter. Then you have the bitches who post pictures of their food or alcoholic drinks. Just stop watching their snaps and continue enjoying your life.

^^ well I don't USE snapchat! My opinion is based on watching friends use it and watching girls use it. I straight up NEVER view girls' online social media (IG, snaps, etc).

If I go down the road of using it, I will absolutely refrain from giving girls the views.

I mean more like, as I get older I'm cool going out less, but watching other people go out (even guy friends, anyone really), is kind of depressing.

Trying not to turn into a miserable old prick!

I agree though, if anything, use that as fuel to go out and have more fun.

Got friend-zoned hard this weekend - which hasn't happened in recent memory. Bit of a blow to the ego but probably a blessing in disguise. There were lots of red flags and I shouldn't have been waisting my time with her to begin with. Last night I went to a local spot I have on lock and had a pretty good night. Built out my social network in a scene with lots of hot girls. Told a girl who was hanging around and staring me down that if she liked me she should just ask for my number. She did and then texted me later.

(06-14-2016 05:49 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  I turned down a 7, 21yr old with a great rack, first time I've done anything like that. She showed up very casual for drinks [we agreed on a late-nite meet after her hostess job] took a little while to warm up but finally did, went to another bar but she just didn't pass the boner test. I've been getting a ton more hits and success with day game and cold openers.

In the past I woulda smashed 110% of the time. I guess this is proof my game has changed for the better. I've had better success with college/graduate 8s and 9s lately. I'm getting called an asshole as they are laughing on pretty much every meet, sometimes during the first drink. The nights are going well for me.

How does a "7" not pass the boner test? Your scoring system is off my friend.
Fair enough if you were too tired, she was a bitch, etc, but a 7 passes the boner test by definition.

Tonight I went on a first date, which I haven't done in a LONG time thanks to work/life.

I ran standard game, went to my usual bar, venue changed to another bar near my house, everything went well. She was surprisingly more attractive then I remember, and there were a bunch of green lights the whole time, she:

-texted me "text me when you get here" (I was late)
-was totally comfortable jumping in my car
-said she thought I was going to flake on her
-claimed that feminism might be wrong...because she'll never be as big as a man and will need to be protected

After three rounds I pull the classic "let's go to my place for wine." Once we get to my house...since I haven't kissed her and only done light kino (following Tuth's recipe) it's easy to distinguish if she wanted wine or action. She stood leaned up against my couch like she was waiting for it, not following my invitations to the kitchen for wine, so I moved in and we started making out. Grab her and we move to the bedroom, where she immediately says "two things...I'm on my period and I'm trying to be a good girl."

We keep making out...about 10 minutes in she isn't feeling it and asks to leave, very sternly, so I let her go. As we're driving back to her car she asks me what I'm doing this weekend, which caught me off guard. She suggested we go swimming at my apartment complex during the day. I knew there would be a bunch of kids (so we couldn't drink/make out) so I said "nah I might be busy, what you doing that night?" to which she replied "yeah I'm free then too." She then started saying some BS about "can you cook? I want you to earn me" to which I laughed off and said no.

Saturday will be a good day for me, it'll be four days from now (which seems just long enough to keep the fire going), but my predicament is:

1. Get her to come during the day, go to the pool, sneak in booze, then come back, cook some shit together and escalate
2. Meet her at a bar after dinner, then hit the clubs, get drunk and do scandalous things in the uber

Not sure which to go with. #2 is my standard second date, but I'm leaning towards #1 so I can get more sleep, and drink less. Any ways I can spice up the daytime second date to increase my chances for sex?

(06-14-2016 11:03 PM)redbeard Wrote:  Tonight I went on a first date, which I haven't done in a LONG time thanks to work/life.

I ran standard game, went to my usual bar, venue changed to another bar near my house, everything went well. She was surprisingly more attractive then I remember, and there were a bunch of green lights the whole time, she:

-texted me "text me when you get here" (I was late)
-was totally comfortable jumping in my car
-said she thought I was going to flake on her
-claimed that feminism might be wrong...because she'll never be as big as a man and will need to be protected

After three rounds I pull the classic "let's go to my place for wine." Once we get to my house...since I haven't kissed her and only done light kino (following Tuth's recipe) it's easy to distinguish if she wanted wine or action. She stood leaned up against my couch like she was waiting for it, not following my invitations to the kitchen for wine, so I moved in and we started making out. Grab her and we move to the bedroom, where she immediately says "two things...I'm on my period and I'm trying to be a good girl."

We keep making out...about 10 minutes in she isn't feeling it and asks to leave, very sternly, so I let her go. As we're driving back to her car she asks me what I'm doing this weekend, which caught me off guard. She suggested we go swimming at my apartment complex during the day. I knew there would be a bunch of kids (so we couldn't drink/make out) so I said "nah I might be busy, what you doing that night?" to which she replied "yeah I'm free then too." She then started saying some BS about "can you cook? I want you to earn me" to which I laughed off and said no.

Saturday will be a good day for me, it'll be four days from now (which seems just long enough to keep the fire going), but my predicament is:

1. Get her to come during the day, go to the pool, sneak in booze, then come back, cook some shit together and escalate
2. Meet her at a bar after dinner, then hit the clubs, get drunk and do scandalous things in the uber

Not sure which to go with. #2 is my standard second date, but I'm leaning towards #1 so I can get more sleep, and drink less. Any ways I can spice up the daytime second date to increase my chances for sex?

Sounds like you can already pencil in +1 as long as she shows up. I don't really understand the attitude of keeping dates strictly at night or refusing to acquiesce in giving a girl a "more romantic" date so she doesn't feel like a ho. Some of my best dates have been in the daytime and often they lead to bangs. I actually prefer it to the monotony of the typical date script. If you don't want to go swimming take her mini-golfing, gallery hopping, to a shooting range, etc. I don't think you need any advice but f you end up in the pool, you can get some mini alcohol bottles or even make drinks in plastic cups and bring them down. I have a jambox (portable speaker) I bring down poolside, which helps keep the goodvibes. Also, if you're white as fuck like me, get her to lather sunscreen on you. Have fun!

(06-14-2016 07:40 PM)Ensam Wrote:  Got friend-zoned hard this weekend - which hasn't happened in recent memory. Bit of a blow to the ego but probably a blessing in disguise. There were lots of red flags and I shouldn't have been waisting my time with her to begin with. Last night I went to a local spot I have on lock and had a pretty good night. Built out my social network in a scene with lots of hot girls. Told a girl who was hanging around and staring me down that if she liked me she should just ask for my number. She did and then texted me later.

I feel ya bro. This has happened to me in the past which is why you have to screen these girls harder. I get that you want to build your social circle as well. But why did you settle for a phone number from that last girl when you could have made a great impression on her right then and there and found out if she was DTF?

What was your goal when you went out that night?

I was just going out to see friends. I think she might have been DTF but I'd already stayed there later than I should have on a school night. Last time I pulled a SNL on a weeknight I was up until 4am and had to call in sick to work the next day.

I feel like I should be posting in the Newbie forum but I didn't see a "Players Log" type of thread, feel free to point me in that direction if I missed it.

Last night I had a first date with the Dental Assistant at my dentist's office, she's 10 years younger than me. I've flirted mildly with her the few times I've seen her over the past year but never asked her out, then last week we matched on Tinder. She happily agreed to come to my house (I've found many women are willing to do this if I'm able to build enough rapport over text or on the phone) after work, and I did my go-to routine of making some simple but delicious food and having drinks. I welcomed her at the door with a big hug, she was nervous and uncomfortable at first but I was very at ease and quickly had her laughing and telling stories. We had a couple beers over the the next couple hours while I prepared the food. She was fidgety with her hair and clothes the whole night, frequently adjusting her mid-thigh length tight dress. She told a ton of "embarrassing" stories about her past relationships and trouble she got into in high school, such as getting her clit pierced when she was 18.

As we wrapped up dinner I began some physical escalation, touching her on the back and shoulder occasionally. She mentioned she needed to go home before too long, I said ok and leaned in to kiss her. She didn't withdraw and kissed me back but with closed lips, I persisted for a few seconds then pulled away and continued cleaning up the kitchen. We moved to the couch and I sat close to hear, moving my arm on the couch behind her and began to touch her on the back, shoulder, neck, hair as she continued to tell wild stories. I kissed her again, she again kept lips closed but I persisted more aggressively and she responded well with deep kisses and I put my hand on her thigh at the bottom of her dress and left it there for a while which she didn't seem to mind. We chatted for a few more minutes with another lukewarm kiss, and then she said she had to go. She looked hesitant as she was leaving, like she wanted to say something, but just left.

I think we both had a good time, I had her laughing a lot and teased her a bit. Honestly I'm on the fence about her, she's got some red flags but seems like she'd make a fun plate, maybe she's on the fence about me too. I think she's "done with her past mistakes" and trying to find beta bux to settle down with. My gut feeling is that I didn't escalate hard enough and that things could have gone further if I had done so, since she seemed to respond well to the deeper kisses when I persisted more aggressively. In recent scenarios like this, once I've instigated the make-out the women have been very receptive and after a few minutes of heavy makeout I can take their hand and invite them back to my bedroom and they say yes, so this threw me off a bit.

Feedback welcome.

(06-14-2016 11:03 PM)redbeard Wrote:  Tonight I went on a first date, which I haven't done in a LONG time thanks to work/life.

I ran standard game, went to my usual bar, venue changed to another bar near my house, everything went well. She was surprisingly more attractive then I remember, and there were a bunch of green lights the whole time, she:

-texted me "text me when you get here" (I was late)
-was totally comfortable jumping in my car
-said she thought I was going to flake on her
-claimed that feminism might be wrong...because she'll never be as big as a man and will need to be protected

After three rounds I pull the classic "let's go to my place for wine." Once we get to my house...since I haven't kissed her and only done light kino (following Tuth's recipe) it's easy to distinguish if she wanted wine or action. She stood leaned up against my couch like she was waiting for it, not following my invitations to the kitchen for wine, so I moved in and we started making out. Grab her and we move to the bedroom, where she immediately says "two things...I'm on my period and I'm trying to be a good girl."

We keep making out...about 10 minutes in she isn't feeling it and asks to leave, very sternly, so I let her go. As we're driving back to her car she asks me what I'm doing this weekend, which caught me off guard. She suggested we go swimming at my apartment complex during the day. I knew there would be a bunch of kids (so we couldn't drink/make out) so I said "nah I might be busy, what you doing that night?" to which she replied "yeah I'm free then too." She then started saying some BS about "can you cook? I want you to earn me" to which I laughed off and said no.

Saturday will be a good day for me, it'll be four days from now (which seems just long enough to keep the fire going), but my predicament is:

1. Get her to come during the day, go to the pool, sneak in booze, then come back, cook some shit together and escalate
2. Meet her at a bar after dinner, then hit the clubs, get drunk and do scandalous things in the uber

Not sure which to go with. #2 is my standard second date, but I'm leaning towards #1 so I can get more sleep, and drink less. Any ways I can spice up the daytime second date to increase my chances for sex?

Sounds like this should be a day 2 bang based on her feedback.

A few drinks in the evening and bounce to your place or the pool and you bounce to your place.

I wouldn't be too eager about making out or PDA before you get her back to your place, either by the pool or in the uber. In my experience, it's usually best to do kino, just a few innuendos ( your ass looks good in that dress/ you're legs are distracting me, etc) just once or twice during your "date" and some on/ off kino ( arm, small of back, whisper in her ear once or twice)

In fact, you might even get her to your place and watch TV or listen to music 15 minutes until she starts to crave your touch and wonder if you maybe gay.

Then, when you go in for the kiss, she attacks you. ( Increase buying temperature )

Having said that, if she's down to make out way before then, that works too, it's ultimately all about calibration. If that happens, bouncing is easy.

Be charming, funny and cocky just running 'don't fuck it up game' since she seems down.

If a girl is reluctant about bouncing to your place on the second date, you couldn't give two fucks less. Smirk, get another drink and suggest 20 minutes later.

For girls on the fence about bouncing, I like the "I want you to be comfortable. We won't do anything you're not comfortable with" said sincerely with an assuring smirk.

I met this girl at a three day workshop. she's easily a 7, slim and I was pretty certain she was staring at me since our eyes clicked more than a few times. I looked away each time, not good.

I didn't approach the first day since I couldn't catch up to her after the event. She walks really fast lol

Second day I approached and we talked about the event and how not useful it is but I happen to be the one asking most questions, which is normal. A girl I was initially sitting with interrupted saying that I forgot to collect a paper though she knows I already took a picture of the damn paper. I had no interest in her so I walked towards the slim 7. I couldn't recover from that interruption.

we parted ways since she was heading a different direction ( I would have followed her path though) and she said see you later.

The last day is Friday and I am contemplating sitting next to her and talking a bit longer, then number closing. My main goal is to build attraction nxt time we meet. any advise is welcome.

(06-15-2016 07:37 PM)Touchmybanana Wrote:  I met this girl at a three day workshop. she's easily a 7, slim and I was pretty certain she was staring at me since our eyes clicked more than a few times. I looked away each time, not good.

I didn't approach the first day since I couldn't catch up to her after the event. She walks really fast lol

Second day I approached and we talked about the event and how not useful it is but I happen to be the one asking most questions, which is normal. A girl I was initially sitting with interrupted saying that I forgot to collect a paper though she knows I already took a picture of the damn paper. I had no interest in her so I walked towards the slim 7. I couldn't recover from that interruption.

we parted ways since she was heading a different direction ( I would have followed her path though) and she said see you later.

The last day is Friday and I am contemplating sitting next to her and talking a bit longer, then number closing. My main goal is to build attraction nxt time we meet. any advise is welcome.

Ask her out for drinks to celebrate finishing the work shop.

Just got blown out by some OKC tramp.

She cold messaged me at 2:00am asking "what are you still doing up?" (I wasn't)

We message a bit the next day and I get her number. She texts me all emojiis and smiley faces.

I make basic chat and angle for getting together. She starts throwing inquisitions about "what would we do?" "Where would we meet?" obvious I didn't build enough comfort.

I'm not playing gay cat and mouse games so I tell her to come over listen to some music and drink wine with me in my studio. She pulls the whole "I don't go over strange boys houses" but says if I wanted to go for drinks then let her know. She's starting to quickly get less easy going and more difficult. I obliged and started figuring out her sched.

She has weekends off and works late evey weekday. I suggest we get drinks after work on Monday. Then she starts saying she does't think late night monday is a "good time take a pretty girl out" (lol) so I go logical and say "well you work late and I'm busy on weekends so what do you propose"

She goes nuclear and says "I would propose lunch but if you're too busy on weekends then I'm not interested. I'd like to find someone who wants to do epic shit on my time off not take me to a dark shitty bar like I'm a fat chick lmao"

Gahtdamn

Date with a 29 year old yesterday, good lord, she was boring, left after 2 drinks, was more interested in shooting pool than her.

Played 2 games, for some reason my card didn't work, she paid. Sent her a polite text today and thankyou.

She's gone on a week trip so it's a perfect fade away.


Date with a 20 year old tonight, sober, met at a coffee shop, no drinks. Man was she very anxious/nervous, she warmed up a bit. I could tell her body language was getting better, but she was definitely sassy. Connected on things we want to do this summer. Gave her the 15 minute, I almost cancelled story.

I don't know why I didn't bail, but she ended up getting some food at a cafe, we talked about certain foods we liked, and she definitely hated 1 or 2 of the ones I liked.

She's a very intelligent and what seems like introverted girl, she claims to know computer programming, isn't sure what she wants to do, sings, tutors. Sounds like another career woman.

Left, rambled more at the fountain, we started connecting on old teachers and the junior high we went to.

My gut told me it was time to leave so we bounced, I don't think she was feeling it.

She just had bad eye contact, maybe I was intimating, not sure.

It's been awhile since I did a sober date with a under 21 girl.

She literally gave me a side hug, I've never got that shit, I knew exactly what she was doing and there was definitely not a kiss to be had.

Probably a dead end, I'll follow up Sunday.

Went out with Spider this weekend.
I’ve already repped him so I can’t give him another rep point.

I learned a ton from him, and while I can’t write down every approach we did, and everything we learned, there’s one thing that comes to mind when I saw this man work.

Persistence.

He stays in set. When the girl isn’t really making good eye contact, or she’s saying she has to be somewhere, he stays in set. It doesn’t faze him, and it’s this persistence that I think allows him to do so well.

One quick story. Last weekend, we tracked two blondes leaving the park, one of them very cute, thin, well made-up, the other was a less cute girl, not fat, but could have lost a bit of weight. Once they crossed, the street near the park, Spider opened them and told them how they looked like friendly girls, and wanted to say ‘hi’.

They were both from somewhere in the South, now living in NYC and in their early 20s. We talked with these two girls, the less cute one kept insisting she had to go off to find an ATM. Despite her insistence, they stuck around as Spider rambled with them about our plans for the day, asking them about their plans, and what they were up to later. He shared that I was visiting from out of town, and where we were going to go a bit later. When a third friend of theirs showed up, I was sure they were going to leave, they stuck around.

The cutest one was making almost no eye contact the whole time, I thought that meant a death knell for getting the number. Finally, the topic of going out later came up and Spider mentioned he knows a club promoter in the city. The less cute one was impressed by that. Spider went for the number of the cute blonde, and told her “we could all go out later”. He continued to tease the cute blonde about being coy to give her name when he first introduced himself towards the beginning of the approach (“okay I think a week from now, I think we’ll be ready to exchange last names.”)

Not sure if he ever met up with them, but it’s not about the outcome. I saw him persist and that’s a valuable lesson. If you can’t think of something to tell her, cold read her, “you must be…” “you look like you are ….”

“not from around here”
“a trendy brooklyn girl”
“off to a very important business meeting”

Just staying in set, keep talking about things until you hit a topic that resonates with her (or them). It’s okay if that takes ten minutes. Spider showed keeping up a normal conversation is fine, provided you opened her direct.

Persistence.

Thanks for the lesson dude.