Post: #126

The Big baller approach to dating in Thailand is akin to using a sledge hammer to crack a peanut. You don't need it and worst-case scenario you will end up attracting the wrong girls (wannabe hi-so gold diggers).

Thais are so vain that your look is really the most important factor, whether you are Caucasian, Korean, Chinese etc. Make yourself as attractive as possible with good grooming and fitness; add style, a pleasant demeanor, good game and you are golden here.

All the other stuff, car, motorbike, nice condo/apt is just to make your life more comfortable, and if you have the cash, why not, but I don't think you absolutely need it.

Post: #127

Wow, that's a great datasheet.....

Post: #128

(06-01-2016 03:02 PM)BlackHat Wrote:  I come from the top 1% in my country. I've never seen an instance where upper class girls had a LTR with a middle class guy. I'm sure they probably had drunk one night stands but thats about it. People usually date/marry within their social strata, having all the game in the world won't change that.

I get where you're coming from.

I agree it doesn't happen often. But then, a guy with enough game to punch above his weight doesn't happen often, either.

I can tell you from first-hand experience and living around the world on ~$2-3k a month for a while, it is very very possible to date upper class girls from ALOT more money than you. And I'm talking "wants to bring you out daytime around her friends and show you off" kind of dating, not drunken ONS.

So much of it is about how you come across. It's definitely not possible for a cheesy badly dressed English teacher who has no understanding of business or higher society.

But how about this guy: Stylish. Goodlooking. Very well educated. Understands business. Enjoys the finer bars and restos in the city. Has a purpose and a path he's walking. LOOKS like he's going places. Connects with and relates to "rich kids" because he knows plenty from university, despite having only a small fraction of their net worth. It's absolutely possible for this guy to get into high-end social circles and date girls from much wealthier backgrounds. I have done this and others have, despite not being a baller. Check out this thread on doing it in Philippines:
/thread-33339.html

As long as you play the part, you can punch above your weight in many of these places. Certainly for dating. I concede I don't have experience in the marriage dept yet, which OPs post was about.

Post: #129

(06-02-2016 04:05 AM)RichieP Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 03:02 PM)BlackHat Wrote:  I come from the top 1% in my country. I've never seen an instance where upper class girls had a LTR with a middle class guy. I'm sure they probably had drunk one night stands but thats about it. People usually date/marry within their social strata, having all the game in the world won't change that.

I get where you're coming from.

I agree it doesn't happen often. But then, a guy with enough game to punch above his weight doesn't happen often, either.

I can tell you from first-hand experience and living around the world on ~$2-3k a month for a while, it is very very possible to date upper class girls from ALOT more money than you. And I'm talking "wants to bring you out daytime around her friends and show you off" kind of dating, not drunken ONS.

So much of it is about how you come across. It's definitely not possible for a cheesy badly dressed English teacher who has no understanding of business or higher society.

But how about this guy: Stylish. Goodlooking. Very well educated. Understands business. Enjoys the finer bars and restos in the city. Has a purpose and a path he's walking. LOOKS like he's going places. Connects with and relates to "rich kids" because he knows plenty from university, despite having only a small fraction of their net worth. It's absolutely possible for this guy to get into high-end social circles and date girls from much wealthier backgrounds. I have done this and others have, despite not being a baller. Check out this thread on doing it in Philippines:
/thread-33339.html

As long as you play the part, you can punch above your weight in many of these places.

$2-3k/month for a bachelor guy in most parts of South East Asia is actually enough to lead a semi-baller lifestyle. So actually you're not punching too much above your weight when you date those girls financial wise .

But when I say social strata I don't only mean finances, it's not only about money but titles. You might be an exception for an English teacher, but a junior diplomat will have a bigger advantage over an English teacher any day.

I've only met one farang that dated a real upper class girl in Thailand, he was a 2nd secretary in X countries embassy. Had diplomatic immunity, he could give the thai cops middle finger and get away with it. He enjoyed VIP lanes at airports, earned 6500$ P/M tax free. He had a diplomatic license plate, that is enough to get some girls wet in Thailand.


These are things that the girl can brag to her family about, " my bf is a diplomat the other day we took the VIP lane while everybody was waiting like a fool in the passport line 555555"

Thai culture is very material/status driven, anyone who says its not is lying to themselves. For girls who earn between 10k-25k baht that English teacher is like a prince, but in the higher castes of society Backpackers/Tourist Farangs/English teachers are looked down upon.

Now I have nothing to show under my belt in terms of dating higher class girls in Thailand, I wasn't able to break into that category because I had no social proof.
I didn't even hold a job, lived off from the cheque my parents mailed me in every month. I lied to everyone I was a forex trader, but even that still wasn't enough to get the ball rolling. Even though I was doing good financial wise, social wise I was a degenerate.However in my own country I was able to score many higher class girls due to social proof.

Never underestimate the value of social proof.

Post: #130

^ Wait a second. You have had no success with Upper crust Thai girls but you deign to tell us how it works?



Furthermore, aren't you a 1% in your country? How did you not leverage that into high-tier thai pussy. You pretty much said that is what it takes.

Post: #131

(06-02-2016 04:48 AM)Fortis Wrote:  ^ Wait a second. You have had no success with Upper crust Thai girls but you deign to tell us how it works?



Furthermore, aren't you a 1% in your country? How did you not leverage that into high-tier thai pussy. You pretty much said that is what it takes.

Just because your family is in the 1% in your X country doesn't mean you'll be able to fly with a suitcase and hangout with the 1% in the Y country. My family is not that rich to give me a 1% life financial wise 10,000km away from my homeland. I could of said I dated higher class thai girls in order to make my story more plausible but lying won't get you anywhere.

However my childhood friend was posted to Bangkok as a diplomat while I was living there. Thanks to him I got to know how the higher class society works in Thailand. I did attend many receptions, embassy parties got to know people who were in position of power. I had the connections to avoid paying fines too.

And believe me I tried very hard to break into that 1% while I was there. One of those hi-so girls actually took an interest in me but she was turned off when she found out I was still living off my parents. Now I make my own money maybe If I went back I'd have a better chance.

Post: #132

^ Ok, that sounds reasonable. Hopefully you can see why I was confused.

Post: #133

By the way I see this forum is obsessed with location independent income, but how will you able to hangout with higher class in X country if you don't have a fancy title?
Let's say yo go to Thailand and make 20,000$/pm from rental income. You don't have to work. But without working and meeting people you'll have a very hard time building a solid social circle and getting the required social proof.

Unless you make real BALLER money like Rawmeo and can afford a 300k car its a different story. No banks will lease a car to a foreigner in Thailand so to buy that 300k car you have to pay it all in cash. Even 20k/pm in rental income won't be enough. So that's why titles are very important. I especially would like to advise young guys to take a shot at the foreign service in their country. Getting posted to these countries with diplomatic credentials and making 6000$/pm is better than making 20,000$/pm on passive income trust me. I've witnessed this first hand thanks to my friend. Right now I'm preparing for the foreign service exam for this sole reason.

Post: #134

I'm curious about the shaved head point... My brother, who sports a shaved head [28] spent two years working in Bangkok, and from all accounts did very well... Admittedly, I know very little about Bangkok, but on my only few visits to see him, he matched on almost every tinder swipe, and had a solid harem of 8's.

Having asked him, he had never heard that issue before, so I'm rather curious lol... Maybe I need to re-consider shaving my hair, before my next visit.

Post: #135

Want a title if location independent? Just make one up.

Come on, this is a game forum. I'm sure we can think of something when the time comes.

Post: #136

Ha, if you're pulling down 20,000 a month usd passively, you will have way more time on your hands than some foreign diplomat desk jockey. Not to mention, You'll be able to buy more status objects.

But seriously, what happened to using game and not just relying on money? I'm not buying this whole "you need to be a diplomat to have fun in Thailand" talk. It sounds like soft game denialism.

Plus, just lie and say you run a business. Why is this so hard?

Post: #137

Agree with Fortis. I like Porsches as much as the next guy, but there is a lot of 'provider game' being thrown around here. Thailand doesn't seem like a difficult place to get what you want, but a recurrent theme on many of these Thai threads is trying to snag a hiso chick. Not sure what the purpose for that is, but I attribute it to mostly ego.

I'd rather try to generate enough admiration to get these women into bed than flash my money at them. It sends the wrong message.

Post: #138

To be clear, This wasn't at Rawmeo, this was directed at blackhat.

Post: #139

You might fool some Isaan girl by saying you run an online business, but a rich or connected girl will smell your bullshit from a mile away. Rich people are more intelligent than your average folk you can't get away with saying you make money from X while making it from Y .You will always leave a trail which someone will pick up.

The only workaround that comes to my mind is becoming a silent partner in a business, like a bar or restaurant.

By the way I don't see how its provider game when you're dating a girl from a high social class. If you're rich and dating some Isaan girl thats provider game, but dating a girl equal or higher than you is in no way provider game.

Post: #140

Sounds like game denalism, Blackhat.

So having 20,000 passively isn't as good as being a government desk jockey in Thailand?
So if I say "I make 20,000 a month off of selling widgets on my website." She'll look down on me?



You realize how ridiculous that sounds, right? Furthermore, didn't you already tell us you've had no success with these rich chicks?

Post: #141

(06-02-2016 06:57 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Sounds like game denalism, Blackhat.

So having 20,000 passively isn't as good as being a government desk jockey in Thailand?
So if I say "I make 20,000 a month off of selling widgets on my website." She'll look down on me?



You realize how ridiculous that sounds, right? Furthermore, didn't you already tell us you've had no success with these rich chicks?

I gave the diplomat example because I witnessed it first hand. I'm sure there are other cool titles out there.

But being a diplomat you could hospitalize some guy if he messes with you without having to step inside a police station. They won't even be able to question you.

You could carry firearms in the middle of Bangkok.

Please don't tell me thats beta. By the way I don't think regularly attending high class parties or receptions is being a desk jockey. I'm talking about people with diplomatic credentials not some worker in the embassy who hand you out a visa application form.

This is not game denialism, its something which complements your game. I mean I could use diplomatic immunity in a 3rd world country no offense.

Post: #142

If you're super connected that helps in any country, but you're making it sound like it's impossible to get laid without this stuff in Thailand.

Also, why the obsession with Hiso chicks? Are they that much better looking than other Thai girls? Something isn't adding up here between what Rawmeo, You and Kamaki are all saying.

Post: #143

Yes it all comes down to looks. Hi-So girls usually have very white skin. They are much more attractive then your regular thai chick. I don't know if you've been to Bangkok before, but if you have you'll notice the difference when you visit Siam Paragon vs visiting another mall.

They are usually taller
Have whiter skin
And have superior facial aestethics.

Most farangs hang out with bottom of the barrel girls looks wise. I've seen countless of good looking farangs date down in Bangkok.

Edit: I'd like to add one more thing, being korean is an advanage if you are Korean you have a higher chance of scoring a hi-so girl. I don't know the reason for this but I usually saw Koreans with very good looking girls.

Post: #144

Fortis one thing is very important. If you are involved in some police situation as a diplomat, you are not backed by a 3rd world crony, you are backed by international law. Vienna convention guarantees your freedom, there is no way they can arrest or detain you, the only choice they have is they can expel you to your country. I've never heard of a diplomat in Thailand receiving a persona non grata, so expulsion is a very rare occurence. You can basically get away with everything.

Post: #145

We all know being a diplomat is cool. But come on man it's not the only way to get into high-end social circles.

With location independent income you can rock up to a place and befriend these people without prior connections. It takes social-circle work but if you are a clean-cut westerner it is not so difficult. You just need a sophisticated vibe and being well-prepared to BS about business. That's all they do anyway - they'll say shit like "I run a property company" and what they mean is "daddy gave me an easy job in his property company".

I connected with these crowds in four spots in SE asia and counting so far. Never once was my actual income or "title" brought into question. I just had to buy the occasional bottle of vodka (and they bought far, far more...)

These circles are probably not true elite Hi-So but they are definitely wealthy upper class and the girls were cute. It's not like the only hot & classy girls in thailand are the prime minister's daughters or something.

Post: #146

(06-02-2016 04:58 AM)BlackHat Wrote:  I could of said

Are you sure you're 1%?

Post: #147

(06-02-2016 08:03 AM)72 and sunny Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 04:58 AM)BlackHat Wrote:  I could of said

Are you sure you're 1%?

The only thing I'm sure of is that I'm not a native English speaker : ) So you'll have nothing to gain by playing the grammar card, I usually type the way I speak so instead of could've I used could of. Big deal. I know its grammatically wrong but we all make mistakes.

Post: #148

Yeah man I dont think you deserve to be attacked, you're making some good points. But I think you're overvaluing this titles and status thing - there are easier ways to hack social proof/status and access the upper classes (and their chicks).

Post: #149

(06-02-2016 08:23 AM)RichieP Wrote:  Yeah man I dont think you deserve to be attacked, you're making some good points. But I think you're overvaluing this titles and status thing - there are other ways to engineer the social proof/status and access the upper classes (and their chicks).

We are all on the same boat, I'm still trying to find a way on how I can crack the code. If the foreign service path fails for me I'll switch to plan B which will be focusing on location independent income.

It's obvious you've done very well for you self regarding upper class girls I hope I can repeat the same feat because I am really obsessed with those hi-so girls for some odd reason

3k $ in Bangkok is enough to lead a semi baller lifestyle. If you earn 5k$ you can lead a semi baller lifestyle and save some decent money at the same time for retirement. 30,000 baht will get you a very nice pad with a rooftop bar and swimming pool.

Post: #150

(06-02-2016 05:50 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Want a title if location independent? Just make one up.

Come on, this is a game forum. I'm sure we can think of something when the time comes.

Yes lol. Actually it positions you pretty damn well to BS with these upper-class people. You can BS about business opportunities, investment, property marketing, funding, etc.

So much of "being accepted" is just talking their language. Doesnt matter if your "business" earns $2k or $20k /mo, fact is you're in their world more than you'd think... if you want to be.