^ I know it sound stupid, but I've met so many dudes, especially dudes from urban areas, who don't have style, don't have looks, don't have muscles but they have great verbal game and can really get inside a chicks head and have her chasing them.

@ Fortis

What you have stated is the true definition of game.

Verbal game is the strongest weapon any true player has, everything else is secondary.

Balding Dominican game is potent. The bottom line is, whatever you believe to get you into fight mode is what you use. Some guys need sweat soup to get them rolling, others need to rub an enchanted chicken foot, others need nice threads (nice clothes) and others need the gym. Whatever works for you. Doesn't hurt to try. I like the gym but that's me. Do you or do us but just do something

Sure, I love hitting the gym and would go even if I stopped making gains. I was just warning guys against putting the cart before the horse in regards to game.

Not that anyone was saying you need to look like Anrold to get laid, but occasionally the forum has a huge hiccup and everyone starts fighting about how much muscle is the ideal amount.

Muscles like dressing nice, falls into the secondary group.

Yes, you can get girls without having muscles.

For me having a bit of muscle will attract a girls attention, which makes the process easier.

When was the last time a girl came up to you and grabbed your arm, squeezed your nipple or slapped your butt?

Been thinking about this muscle thing for a bit.

There seems to be different rules for black men in the game.

As black men there is a certain expectation that we are in shape, look around and what do you see!
At my gym, there are a few black guys. Most of them have decent builds in comparison to the other groups. Even the guys in the other groups that have decent builds are heavy steroid users.
I know a lot of black guys that are personal trainers.
I also know a lot of black guys that work security and are bouncers.
In pro sports, there are thousands of black guys competing and in good shape.
People keep talking about Arnie, what about Ronnie Coleman, Kai Greene, Phil Heath etc. Most of the Mr Universe winners have been black.

I see loads of out of shape non-black guys with decent looking women. Can you honestly say you see that with black men?

For me many years ago, I was working in a nice department store. This girl in cosmetics came over to menswear and was chatting with a few of us. She grabbed my bicep hard to check what i had and made the comment '"Rudebwoy you should work out". It stung me hard, I didn"t like her, but how dare she say that to me. I wouldn't have gone up to her and said you need more ass.

I still didn't pick up a weight just because some bimbo made a comment like that. The comment always stayed with me.

I am just saying as black men, I feel we cannot get away with being out of shape.

So basically, Rude, you are saying the bar is set higher in game (and life) for the black man.

@Moma

Yes Amigo, so surprise to you I know.

I live in a black neighborhood that ranges in economic outcomes. There is no correlation between attractiveness of the woman and bankroll or level of musculature. I do see dimes with the guys you'd expect, but I also see guys that you don't expect.

And that goes the other way as well, as a good number of these large and in charge women have men who are in great shape.

When you cross the river and see more diversity, the couplings are just as oddly matched. On the white side of dc, is routine to see a six foot tall white guy, professional, with a mediocre chick. Maybe she gives great head, I have no idea.

These have been my general observations over the past 15 years. I've never had the body, but have always gotten the girls. Maybe I've could have gotten more, or faster, but I've had more than enough.

If I stick to the idea of associative mating, that people of similar physical attractiveness date each other, the world does not make sense.

What I find with a lot of guys in the game internet world is that they'd rather stick with ideas that work on paper but don't matter when they're out there pounding the pavement.

It's why I constantly make fun of the D&D players. It's why the theory game guys don't know how to handle a chick who says her period is late. (AGREE and amplify? Durrr..)

Without the element of game, what one particular woman finds attractive on any given day is not predictable.

Although improving your appearance always helps, game opens and closes.

WIA

WIA, what is D&D player? I struggle to memorise these terms....

@ Archie

I wasn't trying to say there is a co-relation between muscles and bad bitches.

The white guy example I see on a regular basis, I guess that boils down to the whole Roosh theory about western men dating down.

As I stated earlier, verbal game trumps all.

Average white guy and even above average white guy takes an L in Toronto on average. I had a friend move to Toronto from Boston and he was shocked to see good looking white men holding hands publicly with blatant fatties. He said that didn't happen in Boston. I was in H-town over the weekend (shoutout to the H-town posse dem) and I didn't see such mismatches from a casual glance. Where I'm at though, these mismatches do exist but not as garingly as Toronto.

That's because women are individuals...with their own preferences, likes
and dislikes...and ultimately they make their own individual choices...
that's why game "theory" can only give you a general direction...like a
compass...you still have to navigate through and find your own way.

(05-16-2016 09:52 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  For all you reggae lovers and yard man.

http://www.reggae.se

A few years back a lot of the big names were in attendance.

This would be epic!

This is how I go about game now and stacking the odds in my favor...
a quick visit to the Swedish Reggae Concert website pulls up a link to their
Facebook page...

On their Facebook page they have about 1800 likes...I then do a search on
all the women who like the concert...probably because they've attended in
the past)

And look at that: On Facebook you see a nice selection of women who love
the reggae concert and look at that...quite a few women who are already
in relationships with brothers...not bad...

Now you have intel on a great place to go where the odds are in your favor
and you just have to show up to win...

(05-16-2016 06:15 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  I'm curious ... how are you guys built?

It's literally expected of black guys to be big/jacked in North America and being skinny (despite being fit) for is often a death sentence. Coming from a guy who used to weigh 135 at 6'1. Weighing in at 200 lbs now, DEXA scan came back @ 16% bodyfat (although DEXA scans count visceral & brain, so more like 13%).

Word on the street is that Vinman can take down a Grizzly bear. Any stories going from skinny to jacked & changes in the reactions from women?

Sorry dude, I just saw this.

Me slimmed down 191 at 5 feet 11, visible 4 pack. Goal is to get a six pack but I love sweets too much.

I think my earlier post covered how I feel about working out and being in shape.

It helped me close strippers real easy in the past.

(05-17-2016 11:57 AM)Moma Wrote:  WIA, what is D&D player? I struggle to memorise these terms....

Dungeons and Dragons

WIA

(05-17-2016 10:59 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Been thinking about this muscle thing for a bit.

There seems to be different rules for black men in the game.

As black men there is a certain expectation that we are in shape, look around and what do you see!
At my gym, there are a few black guys. Most of them have decent builds in comparison to the other groups. Even the guys in the other groups that have decent builds are heavy steroid users.
I know a lot of black guys that are personal trainers.
I also know a lot of black guys that work security and are bouncers.
In pro sports, there are thousands of black guys competing and in good shape.
People keep talking about Arnie, what about Ronnie Coleman, Kai Greene, Phil Heath etc. Most of the Mr Universe winners have been black.

I see loads of out of shape non-black guys with decent looking women. Can you honestly say you see that with black men?

For me many years ago, I was working in a nice department store. This girl in cosmetics came over to menswear and was chatting with a few of us. She grabbed my bicep hard to check what i had and made the comment '"Rudebwoy you should work out". It stung me hard, I didn"t like her, but how dare she say that to me. I wouldn't have gone up to her and said you need more ass.

I still didn't pick up a weight just because some bimbo made a comment like that. The comment always stayed with me.

I am just saying as black men, I feel we cannot get away with being out of shape.

This and a tall height seem to be expected if you're a black male. I can't remember the last time I've seen a Nice looking black woman, with a chubby black male. It is RARE, while I see a chubby white guy with beautiful white women almost daily. I think it has a lot to do with how prominent sports are in the black culture, especially here in America. I've also noticed on dating sites, how black women always put 6'0 or over, and an athletic and toned body type as their preferences.

Most American black women are on the taller side so naturally they want someone as tall or taller than them. Though I'm tall myself, I love petite short black women just because they're so few and far between.

(05-17-2016 04:59 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  Most American black women are on the taller side so naturally they want someone as tall or taller than them. Though I'm tall myself, I love petite short black women just because they're so few and far between.

My experience has been the opposite. Most black females I meet are on the shorter side (statistically they're shorter than white women too). Rarely do I meet a black woman taller than 5'9".

(05-17-2016 04:59 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  Most American black women are on the taller side so naturally they want someone as tall or taller than them. Though I'm tall myself, I love petite short black women just because they're so few and far between.

Where in America do you live to say that? The ones I see are often 5'5 on average. I meet many who are 5 on the dot or even 4'11!

How would you describe your TYPICAL game style?
(A player uses whatever fits the occasion, but some prefer one style over others)

High energy direct - you see a girl, waste no time, come onto the girl with obvious sexual intent. Your proverbial player.

Low energy direct - Immediately warm, but lots of pausing on purpose. "Yeah, I'm talking to you, you tryna do something or what?"

High energy indirect - life of the party, chick wants to be around you, because everyone does. Will Smith

Low energy indirect - Denzel Washington in the equalizer. You mean business, but you're not advertising. You'll grab the layup, but you're not sprinting down the court.

WIA

(05-17-2016 05:04 PM)Huey Wrote:  My experience has been the opposite. Most black females I meet are on the shorter side (statistically they're shorter than white women too). Rarely do I meet a black woman taller than 5'9".

That's surprising Huey. Most of the black girls that I meet are also on the tall side. Most of the white girls I encounter are a lot shorter than me in height (I'm 5'9) while most of the black girls I meet are close to my height or taller. My ex who was a black woman was even taller than me by a few inches. I'm near D.C location wise.

I've also noticed (going a bit off topic) that Asian women are not as short as everybody seems to advertise them to be. Korean women especially can be very tall at times. However with Latinas I rarely encounter one over 5'8.

+1 on D.C.. These some tall chicks, but they're not "tall". Like the 5'9" chicks aren't the basketball chicks, just regular goofy girls. Average young D.C. chick would have been playing center at my high school.

All I can say is what are they feeding these chicks?
The boys too.

However I "tower" over my parents and grand parents at 5'11".

WIA

(05-17-2016 05:40 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 04:59 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  Most American black women are on the taller side so naturally they want someone as tall or taller than them. Though I'm tall myself, I love petite short black women just because they're so few and far between.

Where in America do you live to say that? The ones I see are often 5'5 on average. I meet many who are 5 on the dot or even 4'11!

Really? Wow,that would be refreshing. I'm from the midwest now living in the southwest (mostly women who relocated here), but all I'm mostly seeing are tall ass avatar looking black women. I would love to have a lil itty bitty thang that take it like champ.

I'm from Atlanta and the black women I see are on the taller side.

The truth is that on average, black girls are significantly shorter than white girls.

But black girls are thicker and have more of a "presence" which creates the visual effect of seeming taller than they truly are. I can't tell you how many times I've been intimidated by a black chick due to her height and build. Once I walk up to them though, they're usually in the 5'2 to 5'6 range.

A black chick build like this at 5'3 ...



... will look taller and have more of a presence then white girls like these at 5'7



With white girls it's also really easy to sift through fat from fit. Black girls are more treacherous since they possess the innate ability to hold the fat really well in all the right places without looking sloppy.