Once again No Mandarin, I speak english, charm & charisma. To me I didn't kill it, yes I slept w/ a few girls that's no biggie. Now had I hit a new chick consistently if I'd been there 10 days straight? Who knows, (I wouldn't put it past myself tho, do you see how densely populated that place is?) I have no interest in those type of accomplishments.

I don't care about no suspicions, I haven't said anything trollish. I dispelled a myth and I never initiated any insults only fired back. I do have to remember that I'm dealing w/ betas (not saying you tho, you came at me w/ somewhat respect) & I've dropped many gems of knowledge already if you read between the lines.

HK is an amazing city, absolutely, but on average I'm not attracted to the women. Everything wasn't peachy, some of the older generations wasn't fuckin with me. I had a few instances of mild disrespect from older people, I just turned my nose up in superiority.



I don't have time to post data, I really don't have time to go back & forth w/ people over non-sense but I got time today lol I don't mind helping tho That's the whole purpose.

(05-11-2016 06:35 PM)Joga Bonito Wrote:  Is anyone up on the site TravelNoire? Basically its a blog/network site of Black travelers and covers everything from expatriation to reports on off the beaten path locations. I know a few people that did their group trip last year in Dubai and had a blast, but there's a ton of good info on there even if you decide not to go to the events.

http://travelnoire.com/
https://www.instagram.com/travelnoire/?hl=en

It's huge with the Millennial set.
Folks are posting their travel pics trying to get included.

There's a weird "Black and Fabulous" undercurrent in that whole scene.
- we're unapologetically black
- we have money
- we're going to keep reminding you that we're black.
- I'm gonna wear a Gucci brand dashiki.

They tend to be insufferable.

At the same time, they regularly make fun of the guys and girls that smell like Egyptian Musk and call each other King and Queen.

The diversity of the black american/black/diaspora is something to behold.

That being said, there are some fine under thirty type chicks in those pics.

WIA

(05-11-2016 10:04 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 06:35 PM)Joga Bonito Wrote:  Is anyone up on the site TravelNoire? Basically its a blog/network site of Black travelers and covers everything from expatriation to reports on off the beaten path locations. I know a few people that did their group trip last year in Dubai and had a blast, but there's a ton of good info on there even if you decide not to go to the events.

http://travelnoire.com/
https://www.instagram.com/travelnoire/?hl=en

It's huge with the Millennial set.
Folks are posting their travel pics trying to get included.

There's a weird "Black and Fabulous" undercurrent in that whole scene.
- we're unapologetically black
- we have money
- we're going to keep reminding you that we're black.
- I'm gonna wear a Gucci brand dashiki.

They tend to be insufferable.

At the same time, they regularly make fun of the guys and girls that smell like Egyptian Musk and call each other King and Queen.

The diversity of the black american/black/diaspora is something to behold.

That being said, there are some fine under thirty type chicks in those pics.

WIA

This is interesting, but I'd like to travel alone so I can make my own friends, and stroll up to as many girls as I want with reckless abandon. I don't want people judging me anymore. I only want to travel with people like me or better than me from now on. Don't have patience for other people and their attitudes anymore.

(05-11-2016 10:04 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 06:35 PM)Joga Bonito Wrote:  Is anyone up on the site TravelNoire? Basically its a blog/network site of Black travelers and covers everything from expatriation to reports on off the beaten path locations. I know a few people that did their group trip last year in Dubai and had a blast, but there's a ton of good info on there even if you decide not to go to the events.

http://travelnoire.com/
https://www.instagram.com/travelnoire/?hl=en

It's huge with the Millennial set.
Folks are posting their travel pics trying to get included.

There's a weird "Black and Fabulous" undercurrent in that whole scene.
- we're unapologetically black
- we have money
- we're going to keep reminding you that we're black.
- I'm gonna wear a Gucci brand dashiki.

They tend to be insufferable.

At the same time, they regularly make fun of the guys and girls that smell like Egyptian Musk and call each other King and Queen.

The diversity of the black american/black/diaspora is something to behold.

That being said, there are some fine under thirty type chicks in those pics.

WIA

The irony there. Oh, the irony.

Interesting blog and such. Not really my scene, but it's cool to see that. Went to college with some of those types. Nice enough people, but talking about money with someone all the time gets old.

(05-11-2016 10:14 PM)WalkingMan Wrote:  This is interesting, but I'd like to travel alone so I can make my own friends, and stroll up to as many girls as I want with reckless abandon. I don't want people judging me anymore. I only want to travel with people like me or better than me from now on. Don't have patience for other people and their attitudes anymore.

These people travel in groups because they're scared as fuck to do anything by themselves, or anything not sanctioned by the group. (the group being this imaginary black community)

I meet them all the time. Some chick told me she was campaigning for some candidate in the Pacific Northwest. (Which is white as fuck)

She was like, "Archie, I was there for 3 days and finally saw one other black person.." - I gave her the emotional response she was looking for from me, but internally I was like, "this cornball. "

WIA

(05-11-2016 10:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 10:14 PM)WalkingMan Wrote:  This is interesting, but I'd like to travel alone so I can make my own friends, and stroll up to as many girls as I want with reckless abandon. I don't want people judging me anymore. I only want to travel with people like me or better than me from now on. Don't have patience for other people and their attitudes anymore.

These people travel in groups because they're scared as fuck to do anything by themselves, or anything not sanctioned by the group. (the group being this imaginary black community)

I meet them all the time. Some chick told me she was campaigning for some candidate in the Pacific Northwest. (Which is white as fuck)

She was like, "Archie, I was there for 3 days and finally saw one other black person.." - I gave her the emotional response she was looking for from me, but internally I was like, "this cornball. "

WIA

Haha!

I won't lie; I do get a little happy when I encounter another black American where I'm living right now. I try not to make a huge deal, but it does get to you after a while when you only see Chinese and Russians 95% of the time.

Traveling in groups is for faggots, women, Japs and old people over 75. Solo is the way to go. Total freedom to do what you want, when you want and on your own terms.

I did a Contiki Tour in Cyprus. The travel group pissed me off so I ditched them on the second day, hopped on a bus to Ayia Napa & partied on a boat for 2 days. Fuck 'em with their rules and borderline babysitting. You also always carry around everybody else's baggage. If some fat guy gets sick and throws up you have to wait.

And WIA nailed it. It's all because of fear. Most of these people have never done anything in their lives that was not organized. The type of people who need to read a YELP review in order to feel confident enough to try a new restaurant.

(05-11-2016 10:04 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 06:35 PM)Joga Bonito Wrote:  Is anyone up on the site TravelNoire? Basically its a blog/network site of Black travelers and covers everything from expatriation to reports on off the beaten path locations. I know a few people that did their group trip last year in Dubai and had a blast, but there's a ton of good info on there even if you decide not to go to the events.

http://travelnoire.com/
https://www.instagram.com/travelnoire/?hl=en

It's huge with the Millennial set.
Folks are posting their travel pics trying to get included.

There's a weird "Black and Fabulous" undercurrent in that whole scene.
- we're unapologetically black
- we have money
- we're going to keep reminding you that we're black.
- I'm gonna wear a Gucci brand dashiki.

They tend to be insufferable.

At the same time, they regularly make fun of the guys and girls that smell like Egyptian Musk and call each other King and Queen.

The diversity of the black american/black/diaspora is something to behold.

That being said, there are some fine under thirty type chicks in those pics.

WIA

I hear you and hadn't thought of it from that angle. I suppose the effect of such a site is somewhat lost on you lot since alot of the brothas on this site have no problem traveling to exotic locales by themselves. However, you'd be surprised by the amount of educated brothas and sisters that I meet(even from top 10 public schools and Ivies no less) that scoff at the idea of traveling internationally especially to regions like South America or Africa and can't think outside the scope of a Miami, Las Vegas, or siloed off resort town. I'm sure that the programming of the media has alot to do with it and is so powerful that it even discourages folks who should know better to think twice about traveling.

The value of a blog like that to me is that it shows us having fun and unique experiences(solo or otherwise) in places that alot of us would not otherwise entertain, much less find on a map. This can be very enlightening to Black folks without passports or otherwise on the fence about making moves. Sure, with IG there's always that aspect of sitting at the cool kids table, but that's just the nature of such a medium and I just take it for what it is at this point. I know this forum opened my eyes and the eyes of many to things that they either did not think or know existed, so you gotta start from somewhere.

(05-11-2016 11:02 PM)Joga Bonito Wrote:  I hear you and hadn't thought of it from that angle. I suppose the effect of such a site is somewhat lost on you lot since alot of the brothas on this site have no problem traveling to exotic locales by themselves. However, you'd be surprised by the amount of educated brothas and sisters that I meet(even from top 10 public schools and Ivies no less) that scoff at the idea of traveling internationally especially to regions like South America or Africa and can't think outside the scope of a Miami, Las Vegas, or siloed off resort town. I'm sure that the programming of the media has alot to do with it and is so powerful that it even discourages folks who should know better to think twice about traveling.

The value of a blog like that to me is that it shows us having fun and unique experiences(solo or otherwise) in places that alot of us would not otherwise entertain, much less find on a map. This can be very enlightening to Black folks without passports or otherwise on the fence about making moves. Sure, with IG there's always that aspect of sitting at the cool kids table, but that's just the nature of such a medium and I just take it for what it is at this point. I know this forum opened my eyes and the eyes of many to things that they either did not think or know existed, so you gotta start from somewhere.

At one level, it's a baby step. Most folks from older generations are sheltered and teach that to their kids. My parents are from an Island, and they're like DON'T GO BACK IT'S DANGEROUS. It might be, in some situations, but it's not like Chernobyl.

back to Noire.

I swore I saw some shit like #Twerking @ the Acropolis

Just made me want to punch the monitor.

But maybe my views on blackness are the fucked up ones.

The same mentality of folks who are into TV on the Radio because it's got some black guys in the group. But they don't really fuck with rock/alternative that much outside of that. They start reading Black Panther because Ta Nehisi Coates is writing it, but they don't fuck with Daredevil or Spiderman.

Band wagon, no independent thought, but are convinced there on some next shit. And that would be fine in and of itself, but they want to convince ME they're on some next shit.

I knew about shea butter, black soap, Chiekh Anta Diop, and merguez sausage 20 years ago if not earlier. With the exception of Diop, all that shit is centuries old.

They're not *bad* people, they just annoy me personally.

WIA

(05-11-2016 10:46 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  And WIA nailed it. It's all because of fear. Most of these people have never done anything in their lives that was not organized. The type of people who need to read a YELP review in order to feel confident enough to try a new restaurant.

Took a broad to an Ethiopian spot.

Order some gored gored/kitfo and some tibs.
"Is it safe to eat this?"
"I need them to cook it well done"
"why does the bread taste so sour"

How you live here and not have had Ethiopian before?
Didn't you go to college?
Don't you have pics of you in a headwrap?

Same bitch had no problem eating sushi though.

I try to avoid dinner dates not because I'm cheap, or because I can't get any game in while she stuffs her face - but I dislike run of the mill bitches. The hate is visceral.

I know it's ego, I know it's my pride, and I'm working on that.

I got issues, and not just of the Fantastic Four.

WIA

(05-11-2016 11:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 11:02 PM)Joga Bonito Wrote:  I hear you and hadn't thought of it from that angle. I suppose the effect of such a site is somewhat lost on you lot since alot of the brothas on this site have no problem traveling to exotic locales by themselves. However, you'd be surprised by the amount of educated brothas and sisters that I meet(even from top 10 public schools and Ivies no less) that scoff at the idea of traveling internationally especially to regions like South America or Africa and can't think outside the scope of a Miami, Las Vegas, or siloed off resort town. I'm sure that the programming of the media has alot to do with it and is so powerful that it even discourages folks who should know better to think twice about traveling.

The value of a blog like that to me is that it shows us having fun and unique experiences(solo or otherwise) in places that alot of us would not otherwise entertain, much less find on a map. This can be very enlightening to Black folks without passports or otherwise on the fence about making moves. Sure, with IG there's always that aspect of sitting at the cool kids table, but that's just the nature of such a medium and I just take it for what it is at this point. I know this forum opened my eyes and the eyes of many to things that they either did not think or know existed, so you gotta start from somewhere.

At one level, it's a baby step. Most folks from older generations are sheltered and teach that to their kids. My parents are from an Island, and they're like DON'T GO BACK IT'S DANGEROUS. It might be, in some situations, but it's not like Chernobyl.

back to Noire.

I swore I saw some shit like #Twerking @ the Acropolis

Just made me want to punch the monitor.

But maybe my views on blackness are the fucked up ones.

The same mentality of folks who are into TV on the Radio because it's got some black guys in the group. But they don't really fuck with rock/alternative that much outside of that. They start reading Black Panther because Ta Nehisi Coates is writing it, but they don't fuck with Daredevil or Spiderman.

Band wagon, no independent thought, but are convinced there on some next shit. And that would be fine in and of itself, but they want to convince ME they're on some next shit.

I knew about shea butter, black soap, Chiekh Anta Diop, and merguez sausage 20 years ago if not earlier. With the exception of Diop, all that shit is centuries old.

They're not *bad* people, they just annoy me personally.

WIA

As far as Blackness goes, since you're dropping names like Cheikh Anta Diop(one of my favorites alongside Chancellor Williams and John Henrik Clarke), I'm guessing your views are pretty nuanced on the matter. I'm still trying to figure out what Blackness means. Black Republicans were spitting real talk until they weren't, while Tariq Nasheed made mad sense until he suddenly didn't. No easy answers I suppose.

(05-11-2016 02:27 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Who runs day game?

How do you handle the morning rush scenario.

You're going to work
She's going to work

WIA

WIA bringing it back on point.

Obviously, I wouldn't go out of my way to encounter this scenario. It's a low % one, assuming you have to be at work on time, since preferably, you'd have time to let her invest in the conversation and you, if she bites.

In short, I'd go direct, see if she bites, take her number if she does, and then send her a ping (not a question) text roughly two hours later, and go from there.

This scenario is definitely not the time to be indirect.

(05-11-2016 02:27 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Who runs day game?

How do you handle the morning rush scenario.

You're going to work
She's going to work

WIA

The biggest challenge about day game, especially during rush hour, is that she is in a rush and doesn't have time to talk.

The best place to go is a coffee shop. There is a high volume of people. Moreover, since there is so many people, she's going to have to wait in line or wait for her drink to be prepared. You still don't have a lot of time in these situations since as soon as she get her drink, she's headed out the door. So whatever game you plan on using, make a plan to get her number in 5 minutes or less. I would use a direct opener since indirect takes a lot of time. Also, most women don't expect for some stranger to pick them up in a coffee shop.

But you'll occasionally see an attractive girl sitting at a table drinking coffee. Since you likely have more time in that case, you can use some indirect opener.

But in general, rush hour is not an ideal time to game.

(05-12-2016 12:31 AM)Joga Bonito Wrote:  As far as Blackness goes, since you're dropping names like Cheikh Anta Diop(one of my favorites alongside Chancellor Williams and John Henrik Clarke), I'm guessing your views are pretty nuanced on the matter. I'm still trying to figure out what Blackness means. Black Republicans were spitting real talk until they weren't, while Tariq Nasheed made mad sense until he suddenly didn't. No easy answers I suppose.

It's a moving target.

It's something that changes when you talk to people.

My working definition is "Blackness" is essentially the culture that comes straight from the South. It gets diluted in the cities (Chicago, LA, NY, Detroit), and influenced by other cultures, but that's the key element.

Hot combs, Salons, Barbershops
Cookouts
A general resistance to all things considered white.
Things being considered "white" that are not white at all
White power structures taking active and passive roles in fucking up black lives

Mostly silly and socially constructed - doesn't mean that people don't go whole hog in supporting bullshit and taking real world actions to enforce those beliefs.

In my opinion of course.

To bring it back to game, having an expansive but realistic view of blackness can be a valuable tool in pulling black and non-black women, American and Non-American women.

I've been on this "matrix" kick as of late. And basically I see all these people living their overall lives according to the matrix, and they have these specific subroutines for their day to day existence.

But because our economics are out of wack, our spiritual lives are off, and lots of macro-factors - things that were only broken for the least of us, are starting to reach up to people who have been doing well.

It doesn't matter though. You can't save everyone. It's a John Henry task to even save yourself.

WIA

[quote='262' pid='1299534' dateline='1463038543']

Obviously, I wouldn't go out of my way to encounter this scenario. It's a low % one, assuming you have to be at work on time, since preferably, you'd have time to let her invest in the conversation and you, if she bites.

In short, I'd go direct, see if she bites, take her number if she does, and then send her a ping (not a question) text roughly two hours later, and go from there.

This scenario is definitely not the time to be indirect.
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I sort of think it's the opposite actually.

I think you need to go indirect, but you need to speed up the time table.

[quote='therealpoder' pid='1299591' dateline='1463047334']

The biggest challenge about day game, especially during rush hour, is that she is in a rush and doesn't have time to talk.
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Agreed.

[quote='therealpoder' pid='1299591' dateline='1463047334']
The best place to go is a coffee shop. There is a high volume of people. Moreover, since there is so many people, she's going to have to wait in line or wait for her drink to be prepared.
[quote]

I came to that conclusion myself.

Day game situation
- she's walking/running/moving - requires you to stop her, or keep up with her, run along side, go ahead of her, over the shoulder... - lots of technique

- she's in line, static, waiting - she's not running
- she's in the same general area (book store, shopping) - you have to do some mild "chasing"

These situations usually ping her reticular activation system, her side eye that detects movement and danger.

[quote='therealpoder' pid='1299591' dateline='1463047334']
You still don't have a lot of time in these situations since as soon as she get her drink, she's headed out the door. So whatever game you plan on using, make a plan to get her number in 5 minutes or less. I would use a direct opener since indirect takes a lot of time. Also, most women don't expect for some stranger to pick them up in a coffee shop.
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You and 262 are in agreement about having to go direct.

Now, I'm a fan of direct. And as black guys, the general perception is that even when we're going indirect - we're going direct. Because black men are only ever after one thing, which is the viewpoint of black women and most women. (the matrix at work)

So there's a fair amount of disarming that needs to be done before you can actually get into a typical indirect scenario that the net describes.

It's the exact opposite for my Asian and Indian brethren, where the American matrix dictates that these men are asexual - despite most people on earth being Asian and Indian.

The basic thrust of indirect is that it draws her out of her shell, and you demonstrate your personality. She gets to see you, and then like you. You can change her initial impression of you from negative/neutral to favorable.

The thrust of direct is that you want to quickly tap into her sex drive, and you don't waste time. She basically then makes a "thin slice" determination. Direct leads to faster sex and puts you more in the sexy time position than boyfriend position.

The classic demarcation between direct and indirect has been time. Indirect you show personality, you attract, then you run her through the sequence. This even applies within the meet and greet phase.

But let me posit this.

She's got her defenses up, and indirect slowly pulls down the gates.
Direct batters down her walls, but a lot of time she has a moat behind the wall, and you fall into that. (No matter, you do direct during night game,and have plenty of targets)

What if her wall could come down - that is, what if you could change her from business mode into social mode by using the matrix?

Or rather, what takes a chick out of her phone/headphones/sunglasses while she's on the train, train platform, final walk into her office?

High Speed indirect is what I'm mulling over after a few train incidents.

WIA

Not sure why the multi-quote didn't work.

Excellent info on rush hour game, guys. I just moved to NYC so it's helpful to me.

262 can you give me an example of an indirect approach you would use?

I like:

"Hey. I'm in a rush but I just wanted to let you know you're beautiful/pretty cute" -

Wait for her to say "thank you" -

"Tell me your name *extend my hand for a handshake".

or something to that effect.

That's a direct approach which is what 262 is advocating. It's low probability. Least intrusive and least effective.

But I refuse to get bogged down in that. I'm not having a game 101 conversation. No disrespect intended.

The morning rush hour is a state of mind.

Just like the standing in the club glued to your phone is one.

Internal conversation is what she is doing, and universally it's hard to break into that without there being some pain.

The interruption can spark immediate anger. This is less of an issue outside of the morning rush, but always an issue.

The way that indirect works isn't "nice weather we're having, SURPRISE I HAVE A DICK!"

It's
- omg this guy is talking to me
- please oh please don't hit on me
- I'm not even hearing what he is saying
- was that a joke
- oh, that was a funny joke
- that was witty
- okay this guy is funny and interesting
- what does he mean we wouldn't make a good couple
- oh that's totally true about me
- This guy gets me
- please tell me he's going to hit on me

So emotionally, she goes from hatred/indifference and anger about her attention being pulled away from something she was doing to pliable.

She's often waiting for you to go for the kill before she's intrigued so she can say "aha, I knew it!"' This provides juvenile entertainment and makes her feel smug.

So where I am in my discussion is
- knowing that she needs to be disarmed quickly,
- but also intrigued quickly

Even if guys don't do this a lot, I think there are workarounds.

Most guys don't see the obstacles, so they just brute force it

WIA

Direct opener is when you say something where the woman knows you're trying to pick her up. Making some comment about her beauty would be a direct opener.

I try to avoid direct openers unless there's a time constraint. It's like throwing Hail Mary passes in a football game. Sometimes they hit and it's great. But it forces a woman to decide if she likes you right then and there. Also, I think it's overwhelming for a lot of women. She may get a high that a strange good looking guy gave her a compliment but that feeling dies down eventually . I think women like it best when the vibe is "it just happened".

Indirect is ambiguous. You could be trying to pick her up or you could be just having a friendly conversation. You can win her over with indirect. You also get a chance to learn about her personality and she gets a glimpse into yours. You can do a better job screening out girls you aren't compatible with so you don't have to waste time on a bad date.

Indirect works best when she doesn't have anywhere to go/not in a rush. Malls, clothing stores, book stores and coffee shops and maybe the gym are the best day game venues. I've never gamed in a gym because I'm too focused on my own workout.

That's the conventional thinking yes, that it works best in when you have time to hit all the attraction switches.

WIA

(05-12-2016 09:58 AM)therealpoder Wrote:  Direct opener is when you say something where the woman knows you're trying to pick her up. Making some comment about her beauty would be a direct opener.

I try to avoid direct openers unless there's a time constraint. It's like throwing Hail Mary passes in a football game. Sometimes they hit and it's great. But it forces a woman to decide if she likes you right then and there. Also, I think it's overwhelming for a lot of women. She may get a high that a strange good looking guy gave her a compliment but that feeling dies down eventually . I think women like it best when the vibe is "it just happened".

Indirect is ambiguous. You could be trying to pick her up or you could be just having a friendly conversation. You can win her over with indirect. You also get a chance to learn about her personality and she gets a glimpse into yours. You can do a better job screening out girls you aren't compatible with so you don't have to waste time on a bad date.

Indirect works best when she doesn't have anywhere to go/not in a rush. Malls, clothing stores, book stores and coffee shops and maybe the gym are the best day game venues. I've never gamed in a gym because I'm too focused on my own workout.

Respectfully disagree. Women know after a few minutes whether that would fuck you. Why waste time beating around the bush with indirect conversation. If you imitate a conversation with her for no apparent reason she knows you want to Fuck her. Lets not kid ourselves. Now if there was some initial attraction and you get straight to the point, she be turned on even more. In my opinion.

I don't believe women know after a few minutes or hours that they will fuck you. I've had girls tell me I was an asshole and they didn't like me when we first met. Weeks or moths later, I was earthworm deep in them.

Also, I've seen women blow off athletes/B level movie stars. As soon as they find out who they are then these girls are all up on them.

Women don't know what they want. It's our job to guide them.

(05-12-2016 07:28 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  I don't believe women know after a few minutes or hours that they will fuck you. I've had girls tell me I was an asshole and they didn't like me when we first met. Weeks or moths later, I was earthworm deep in them.

Also, I've seen women blow off athletes/B level movie stars. As soon as they find out who they are then these girls are all up on them.

Women don't know what they want. It's our job to guide them.

Asshole is good. Funny is good. Obnoxious is okay. Indifference is the worst ... any other emotion can be worked with.

With daygame I've had the most success mixing up direct and indirect game. I first shock a girl with some remark so she either likes me, hates me ... (something other than neutral) from the get go. Once the shocker has been executed i move to indirect game and show that I'm actually a pretty cool guy who can hold a conversation about normal stuff.

A bit different than WIA's model ... mine goes

- omg did he really just say that
- i wish he'd just go away
- actually ... let me hear him try to dig himself out of this
- hahahaha
- ok good one
- Oh wow he's actually a cool guy
- Alright I'll give him my number
- (Once i leave) I can't believe i just gave him my number

Going really direct in the beginning and then transitioning into normal convo makes the normal convo sound deeper and more genuine. It's intriguing ... like hearing Plato from a drug dealer or some other guy you initially deemed crazy and makes it that much more interesting.

A number might not seem like much but the conversion rate is significantly higher because the impression you leave on the girl is more solid that way.

Yeah, I'm not getting into the old direct versus indirect debate either. That dead horse has been beaten into glue.

IMO, there's a time, place, and user for both. Use the right tool for the right job.

Facing an "ambush" scenario, where she can't leave, like sitting next to her on a long plane or train ride? IMO, go indirect. And yes, that's advice from the London "direct" advocates

We already discussed the direct scenario.

But I can see where going direct could backfire if your physical presence is intimidating. For example, a guy built like a linebacker of any race is more likely to scare a girl than an average-sized guy of the same race.

I am curious how you could accelerate the indirect process, as a solution to that. But it may pay off more for the linebacker in the rushed scenario to go direct but soften his edges, so to speak - dress in a preppy way, make sure to lean back a little, speak especially slowly but with a smirk, mute the opener from the "you're hot" level to the "you look nice" level, etc. By the way, that's all from London as well

Can I ask a question about a situation I have with a girl in here or is that better posted in the newbie forum? Don't want to post in the wrong forum again.

I have some situations here in Germany that have NEVER happened to me in the US and im honestly confused to how to handle them.

I feel like game has changed on me overnight and im starting from the beginning and also falling into bad Beta behaviors.

Ask away.

Got a bunch of resident experts here.

WIA