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(05-06-2016 01:41 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  All this cat hate in the ‘sphere is stupid, trite nonsense. Being a cat owner has helped my game. Cats and bitches have a lot in common. If you can earn the love and affection of a cat you can earn the love and affection of bitches. If you can make a cat purr you can make a pussy wet.

Dogs are loud, smelly, unruly creatures. Cats respect order.

Dogs yelp, squeal, bark, whine, beg, ect. Cats meow and yawn, and purr.

Dogs are needy. Cats are emotionally independent. They don’t need you. I like this because I’m not emotionally underdeveloped.

Dogs are for lonely people that are desperate for companionship. A cat’s love is conditional, much like a woman’s. I don’t mind this.

Dogs shit everywhere; cats bury their shit…closest thing to civil behavior in most animals.

Cats don't kiss your ass.

Dogs give their love to anyone and everyone...devaluing their affection.

Robert De Niro said it best:

Good job trying to play devil's advocate here RP, but your troll job is weak.

A lot of what you said should be reversed for dogs and cats.

Let's learn a few things about cats:

Cats are stupid animals. Contrary to popular belief, felines are pretty unintelligent and have far less mental capacity than a canine. You can't teach them shit partially because they have little to no capacity for object permanence and poor observational learning insight, and they are useless animals aside from 2 things: providing company, and chasing/catching vermin. It's something you feed, clean up after, and pet when it walks over to you. And they can be very needy - I can't tell you how many "cat moms" I've banged out and slept over where there cats would scratch at the door and whine constantly to go out/come in/get attention.

Also, there is nothing about owning and caring for a cat that translates to game.

Dogs on the other hand are highly intelligent animals that can be trained, and in the act of training a dog this translates very well to game. Learning how to assert dominance, positive/negative reinforcement, frame control, etc. Dogs are also very utilitarian animals. They can be taught to hunt, herd, guard, attack, carry/pull weight, rescue, navigate, the list goes on and on.

The only dogs that are loud, unruly, and smelly are dogs that are poorly taken care of. The bit about dogs being for "lonely people" implying that cats are not is simply ludicrous, especially considering how much we rag on lonely cat ladies here on the forum. Cats are the quintessential lonely-person's pet. Reason being you can be a sour depressed recluse and it will matter 0% to a cat's wellbeing so long as you still feed it and clean it's shit up.

Dogs have always been and will always be "man's best friend."

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(05-07-2016 06:03 AM)CodyB Wrote:  Feline aesthetic game (fag) is a proven projector of alpha ism

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Wow someone woke the sleeping General Stalin dragon.

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I have yet to meet a canine that didn't stink.

Plus, cat mom or dog mom ni matter the pet it will act like a vast ardent because chicks almost never train their animals. So that argument doesn't really stand.

Shit the fact that people actually take shit like this seriously makes a dude think some cat shit on your burger back in the day.

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The real question is toy dogs. I personally like small dogs, they are friendly if you train them well, low-maintenance, and always provide hilarity. The contrast of a very manly dude with a pussy-ass dog can be powerful. But, it's not for everyone. You can either look like this,



Or like this.

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It's pretty fucking stupid to come to judgement based on what animal they like/dislike.
And why is it always cats or dogs? Why not both?
Additionally, Roosh has said he likes cats better. So y'all can add to that list.

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My cat follows me around like a dog and responds to dozens of different signals. But alas, the stench of BETA lies heavy upon me.

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Quote:Good job trying to play devil's advocate here RP...

I'll play devil's advocate for a moment. Though, for the record, all animals are intrusive in terms of time, effort, and cost. Most younger guys would do better not to own one. Guys that do often look forward to a life-break in owning animals after they pass away.

Second, to the OP, if you are wondering if some behavior is going to make you alpha or beta then you are likely beta. Alphas largely define alpha behavior, they aren't defined by it. Does that make sense?

For an example, off of the top of my head at the moment, watch Mickey Rourke in the movie Spun. He wears cowboy outfits that heavily flirt with being queer looking. White boots, pink shirts, and tight pants. However, he's an alpha mutherfucker in that movie regardless and thus makes his queer wardrobe alpha because he wears it. He defines the wardrobe, it doesn't define him.



The same goes for everything else for alphas, including animal ownership. In fact, as a training exercise, I challenge you to get the tiniest toy dog, I suggest a Yorkie, that you can find and work on making your ownership of it define its ownership as alpha, and neutralizing any negative effect it has on your value.

Work on making all value definitions emanate from your being, and on neutralizing the effect of anything external to you that would have defined you before you became the arbiter of value.

In fact, this might be the best psycho-social definition of alpha of which I can think.

Quote:Cats are stupid animals. Contrary to popular belief, felines are pretty unintelligent and have far less mental capacity than a canine. You can't teach them shit partially because they have little to no capacity for object permanence and poor observational learning insight,

Intelligence differences between two relatively intelligent animals is a non-factor in a pet for most people. Cats are smart enough to be better than most pets, and I don't look to still-retard level intelligence (no disrespect intended to dog lovers) as a qualifier.

Besides that, the day-to-day effect of slightly higher intelligence in domesticated animals mostly means increased emotional neediness and its resultant problems. I'll take slightly dumber and less emotional over the ability to be annoyingly better at getting into trouble, and the propensity to develop psychological problems, any day.

Quote:and they are useless animals aside from 2 things: providing company, and chasing/catching vermin. It's something you feed, clean up after, and pet when it walks over to you. And they can be very needy - I can't tell you how many "cat moms" I've banged out and slept over where there cats would scratch at the door and whine constantly to go out/come in/get attention.

All true. If you need something more than company, look elsewhere. Though, I'd venture that the company of a small, mostly odorless animal who shits into a cleanable 1x2 box is all that most pet owners want. The benefit of a pet does not increase with size.

Dogs do have more personality, in general, for better or worse. They engage in play more readily, though most pet owners will eventually be playing with their dogs during their mostly mandatory daily walks in order to keep the dog from going crazy due to the aforementioned psychological requirements.

Cats can be needy, but they also don't become emotionally damaged when you reject their neediness unless you really neglect them over time. You can tell them to fuck-off, every day until you are ready to give them attention, and later its like nothing happened. They're mostly cool with it. That isn't the case with dogs.

Quote:Also, there is nothing about owning and caring for a cat that translates to game.

If pets are the item that a player is picking up his game tips from, then he doesn't need game tips as he's exhausted and integrated every other source.

Quote:Dogs on the other hand are highly intelligent animals that can be trained, and in the act of training a dog this translates very well to game. Learning how to assert dominance, positive/negative reinforcement, frame control, etc. Dogs are also very utilitarian animals.

I've never owned a dog and I can dominate almost all dogs with no effort. I offer that owning a dog isn't necessary to learn these skills.

Quote:The only dogs that are loud, unruly, and smelly are dogs that are poorly taken care of.

In my youth, I was a dog groomer for one summer. I respect your opinion but I disagree. I've never known a dog not to impart a smell to its home environment, however slight (even when bathed often). Some dogs are well trained, but the vast majority are not. Though, some are natural sweethearts. Most, especially for the first half of life, are simply on the level of a hyper three year old.

Quote:The bit about dogs being for "lonely people" implying that cats are not is simply ludicrous, especially considering how much we rag on lonely cat ladies here on the forum. Cats are the quintessential lonely-person's pet. Reason being you can be a sour depressed recluse and it will matter 0% to a cat's wellbeing so long as you still feed it and clean it's shit up.

Generalizations aside, I'm not sure why an active adult male would want a dog that is the equivalent of a needy and active child for eighteen years. The work / reward balance just isn't there in my opinion. The lower maintenance for a cat is a feature, not a bug, for anyone who values their own independence.

Dogs Benefits:
More dynamic interaction and play
Some provide a level of home security
Special needs applications (work, blindness, etc)

Dog Negatives:
They invariably smell. If you don't smell dogs, then you've simply nose deaf or never had a good sense of smell.
They need to shit outside, their shits are large, and you need to pick up that shit every time. Most dogs will have stints where they shit and or piss on the floor in your house.
Any dog over 10 lbs is needless extra weight and bulk for the benefits of a pet that most are after.
Grooming is more involved.
They require much more attention to stay psychologically healthy.
Assuming that you don't have a fenced in yard or chain your dog to a spike, you need to walk it twice per day. This is not an insignificant amount of time.
Behavioral issues are common and when they occur tend to be either exceedingly time consuming or expensive, and are always highly annoying.
Many breeds cannot be dissuaded from yapping or barking.

Cat Benefits:
Low maintenance
Light weight (less food cost, less handling inconvenience and discomfort, less fur to groom).
More emotionally resilient and independent, in general.
They don't require outside time unless you acclimate them to it. As such, they are much more apartment and small house friendly.
They do their business in a small box.

Cat negatives:
Their personalities are less dynamic than those of dogs.
They tend to scratch up carpets and furniture. If they take to a scratching post, you're lucky.
They tend to trigger allergies more than dogs.
Arguably, you shouldn't keep cats in the same house with developing humans (children) due to toxoplasmosis risk.

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(05-08-2016 10:16 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  Generalizations aside, I'm not sure why an active adult male would want a dog that is the equivalent of a needy and active child for eighteen years. The work / reward balance just isn't there in my opinion. The lower maintenance for a cat is a feature, not a bug, for anyone who values their own independence.

One of the plainest reasons is for utilitarian purposes. Many "active adult males" like to hunt, and shooting game with a well trained Spaniel or a Retriever is very beneficial for flushing out game and fetching kills. If you own livestock, a Collie, Shepard, or similar herding dog is very useful. If you're a proponent of good home defense, large and well-trained guard dogs like Dobermans are an unrivaled deterrent. K-9 units in law enforcement are irreplaceable for tracking, outrunning, and taking down perpetrators as well as locating drugs and other chemicals.

Dogs are also good family pets as they emotionally bond with the members of a family unit and well protect their group. Dogs will rescue distressed family members or at the least seek help.

Aside from a usage standpoint, for the emotionally-dynamic reasons you mentioned, they make much better companions. They are enjoyable to be to play with and be around. They have personality and help one maintain an active life as they require play and exercise. Few things in this world as simple and enjoyable as wrestling and playing fetch with a dog - but again it really depends on your personal preference/lifestyle.

A dog certainly requires a lot more responsibility and patience than a cat. No one here is arguing that, but depending on one's lifestyle, I would argue the benefits of owning a dog can further outweigh the investment as opposed to a cat.

I would actually flip the script on your above quote and say that it makes less sense to me why a single active adult male would want a cat in his house. While they are a relatively low-maintenance pet, why get a pet in the first place unless you are a lonely person? Using the men of this community as an example, I would venture to say most all independent men in this community would receive little to no benefit from coming home to a cat. What little enhancement a small furry creature would add would likely drop to zero the first time you have clean up it's puke, or the wretched smelling piss it may leave on the carpet.

I 100% agree that if you are not an active person and for some reason just want a pet to have around the house - a cat is an easier investment. They are cleaner and easier to maintain. The amount of women in this city I'm in who have dogs that just sit in a cramped high-rise apartment all day just to walk and shit on a sidewalk a couple times is baffling. That's no environment or lifestyle for a dog.

By the way I will state I do not own a dog and haven't had one since I was a kid living at home. For me personally any pet is just an unnecessary responsibility that would serve close to zero benefit to me in my life currently.

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(05-08-2016 11:47 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

   


Cat's are the best. 'Nuff said.

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Judging from the visibility of dogs, I am not surprised that there are more hits on google. Cat's seem to be far more stealthier and quick to act when their minds are made up. As seen in the gif, pussy pounces and pounds piggish poodles.

Besides, pussies don't take no shit from no one.

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(05-08-2016 11:28 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  One of the plainest reasons is for utilitarian purposes. Many "active adult males" like to hunt, and shooting game with a well trained Spaniel or a Retriever is very beneficial for flushing out game and fetching kills. If you own livestock, a Collie, Shepard, or similar herding dog is very useful. If you're a proponent of good home defense, large and well-trained guard dogs like Dobermans are an unrivaled deterrent. K-9 units in law enforcement are irreplaceable for tracking, outrunning, and taking down perpetrators as well as locating drugs and other chemicals.

Well, I did mention individual specific utility. I'm not sure how special situations merit a debate.

Quote:Dogs are also good family pets as they emotionally bond with the members of a family unit and well protect their group. Dogs will rescue distressed family members or at the least seek help.

Cats bond with the family as well, given that you are a good cat owner that doesn't foster a bad cat personality.

The Lassie justification? C'mon man.

Quote:Aside from a usage standpoint, for the emotionally-dynamic reasons you mentioned, they make much better companions. They are enjoyable to be to play with and be around.

This is personality dependent. I find dogs too needy, in general, and thus generally not enjoyable.

Quote:They have personality and help one maintain an active life as they require play and exercise. Few things in this world as simple and enjoyable as wrestling and playing fetch with a dog - but again it really depends on your personal preference/lifestyle.

No one is arguing against individual preference.

Quote:A dog certainly requires a lot more responsibility and patience than a cat. No one here is arguing that, but depending on one's lifestyle, I would argue the benefits of owning a dog can further outweigh the investment as opposed to a cat.

I tend to use a benefit/cost scale that the upkeep of dogs tends to weigh down in my opinion. For cats, it isn't as unbalanced. Would I trade more playfullness for more emotional neediness in cats? Probably not. I play with humans.

Quote:I would actually flip the script on your above quote and say that it makes less sense to me why a single active adult male would want a cat in his house. While they are a relatively low-maintenance pet, why get a pet in the first place unless you are a lonely person?

Well, why get a dog? We're comparing cats and dogs, not the value of a pet in general. People get low maintenance pets for all kinds of reasons other than loneliness.

Quote:Using the men of this community as an example, I would venture to say most all independent men in this community would receive little to no benefit from coming home to a cat.

As opposed to a dog? The benefit that most people look to in a pet is roughly equivalent in cats and dogs. Most people don't have dogs because they need or want a playmate.

Quote:What little enhancement a small furry creature would add would likely drop to zero the first time you have clean up it's puke, or the wretched smelling piss it may leave on the carpet.

Cat house mayhem pales in comparison to dogs, and in my opinion the dog benefit doesn't make up for it.

But, to each their own. This is sort of like debating chocolate vs vanilla.

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(05-06-2016 12:44 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  The guy does have a point...I'm very suspicious of anyone who likes cats.

I'm not even joking.

Uh....ok boss.

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(05-08-2016 11:53 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

It also just occurred to me, who needs a pet to save you?
I'd rather have my pet saving my kids, I shouldn't need a pet to protect me from another animal. I'd sooner take a bite out of whatever poor creature tried to attack me.

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All this puke and shit is par for the course with any pet.
I've trained dogs and cats to high five me. My cat can jump up to 2m and knock down things. Both dogs and cats are entertaining.
Obviously if you're hunting, you won't have any use for a cat. Hydrogonian gave us all the bare bones (heh) of this issue anyway.

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Is this beta?

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If I recall correctly: lions and tigers are also technically cats. So if you are able to maintain frame in their presence it's hard NOT to considere someone alpha.





Or you can say screw that and get yourself a fucking polar bear.

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I do have a Cat, and having one has nothing to do with alphaness/betaness. Actually the way your animal behaves does show your true colours. If its a barking or meowing little bitch than you know what you are.
Just like kids animals require affection. They are little fuckers and ladies like them (if they are not little bitches).

I would preferred to have a dog, but due to the heavy time commitment you need to make (and the place where i live is a bit small) it was not possible. I would have gotten a German Shepherd, Doberman and I would have called him Adolf for the triggering lulz.

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I own three cats and love them very much.

Aloha!

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Cats are not stupid Stalin come on -_-

They're literally the apex predator on land and will kill you if given the opportunity, granted they're big enough.

Cats think differently to dogs and act differently. I've seen cats who are affectionate and dogs which are trained poorly and don;t respond to commands. Cats were brought about out of necessity to deal with vermin and dogs for protection from humans and other animals.

You wouldn't have a team of dogs on your ship keeping vermin at bay the same reason you don't keep cats to protect your property. Most likely the dog will get stuck or be too big to chase vermin. Cats wouldn't give a fuck and sleep unless its night time and the cat is a Tiger. The intruder would be food for sure.

One thing for certain is cats are the real killers here, not dogs. Put any dog pound for pound against a cat of equal weight and it will get shredded. Small domestic cats can be pissed if provoked so I'd like to see a 100lbs cat vs a 100lbs dog.

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An interesting fact about fuzzy little kittens is that they make great ahi bait. Cats love tuna, and vice versa.

You set your rig basically the same way you would with mackerel scad, except the initial hook goes right through the eyes, behind the bone. Drop the stinger right below its front legs next to the spine.

You gotta wear gloves became, especially if they're feral, those little kittens go nuts. The Craigslist ones can get you too. Keep them in a sturdy box until you're ready. The last thing you want is to chase kittens around a boat in high surf.

I wouldn't say this is an "ancient" Hawaiian trick. People didn't bring cats to the islands till the 1800s or so.

I can't find any YouTube videos of this, but watch this guy set the hooks, and just imagine its a kitten.





Aloha!

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(05-11-2016 03:04 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Cats are not stupid Stalin come on -_-

They're literally the apex predator on land and will kill you if given the opportunity, granted they're big enough.

Cats think differently to dogs and act differently. I've seen cats who are affectionate and dogs which are trained poorly and don;t respond to commands. Cats were brought about out of necessity to deal with vermin and dogs for protection from humans and other animals.

You wouldn't have a team of dogs on your ship keeping vermin at bay the same reason you don't keep cats to protect your property. Most likely the dog will get stuck or be too big to chase vermin. Cats wouldn't give a fuck and sleep unless its night time and the cat is a Tiger. The intruder would be food for sure.

One thing for certain is cats are the real killers here, not dogs. Put any dog pound for pound against a cat of equal weight and it will get shredded. Small domestic cats can be pissed if provoked so I'd like to see a 100lbs cat vs a 100lbs dog.

No one is debating about who is a better predator - we're talking about the practicality and usefulness as a pet.

Cats are less intelligent than dogs. They are not as skilled at problem solving, do not learn as easily, and do not retain knowledge as efficiently. This is just fact. Not trying to dog on them (lol).