(04-18-2016 09:02 PM)redbeard Wrote:  1. I've been digging back into Gorilla Mindset, and my daygame has seen significant growth thanks to a reframe. After talking with some members, I realized the problem with daygame is that my experience is minimal. I haven't put the reps in. I've been going to bars since I was 18, that's six years of constant approaching. Daygame? I would be lucky if I have 50 total lifetime approaches. The other day I was trolling the mall and realized how slim the pickings were in my town. The next time I saw a pretty girl, it hit me that I HAVE to approach her. There are so few targets in my town, and my experience is so bad, that even if I just say "hi I'm an incel" it's better than doing nothing.

2. I had an interesting approach today that I'd like some insights on...I was leaving the gym and saw one of my favorite cardio bunnies headed the same direction. The approach went very well and we end up talking in front of my car for 10 minutes or so. Turns out she moved here only about six months ago. The conversation goes like this:

RB: Hey I have to get going, do you want to get a drink sometime?
HB: I'd like to, but I have a boyfriend.
RB: OOOooooooff

At this point I was going to dive into the signature robreke "how about you give me your number, I'll call in 90 days, and we'll see what's up" line, when she goes:

HB: We can still be friends though, I just moved here and don't know many people.
RB: Nahh, I have enough friends.
HB: You sure? We can go to bars and such, I'm a good wingwoman.
RB: Haha, I have wingmen, I don't need that. No problem, I'll see you around.

In my mind...it was an alright move. If I took her number, I would never contact her. Even if I did, she wouldn't respond well enough to warrant a meetup. I value my time. It's a small gym community that always goes at 5 PM...I'm sure I'll talk to her plenty more times now that I've broken the ice.

On the other hand...maybe I could have gotten her out once, get some alcohol in her, and see how she really feels about that long distance boyfriend...

I dunno man she kept pressing the issue sounds like you could have converted her. You ejected right after the BF line was dropped and she was trying to reel you back. I would have taken her number, and just shot her a text right away:

RB: Redbeard

Let her make the next move to gage her interest. No investment - let her text you back "Hey! Was nice chatting when are you free?" etc.

Good points and I have been doing that my Spanish has come along way in a few months. I've talked to these girls many times they know my situation plus it definitely turned them on that I'm American tho I look very Spanish. What I need help is escalating this. The attraction is there no doubt in my mind. But I'm trying to be smooth like how I am in English and invite them over especially since I live right there logistics are perfect.

Basically what I'm asking is should I try and escalate using broken Spanish? My non verbal game is strong so I know they know what it is. But this language barrier it's impossible to have any real discussion. Tho in the mean time I'll keep improving my Spanish

I'd say it's only worth it too press it if you knew you weren't gonna see her again. I personally think you played that very well. When you see her again she remember how G you were about it. Continue doing what your doing it very well might fall into play. Pressing it can backfire. But maybe she was rdy and you had too push for it. That's my biggest weakness is I give up too easily.

(04-18-2016 09:36 PM)SupremeVista Wrote:  New to the forum this is actually my first post. Recently moved to area with a very large population that doesn't speak English and was looking for help gaming chick's that speak little to no English and I stumbled upon this glorious site.

Yesterday for me for uneventful. My roommate hit me up and we went too the bar right next to my house it's a Brazilian bar with mostly Brazilian and Spanish people that eat/drink there. 3 cute Spanish/Brazilian waiters that have given me very strong iois but they speak almost no english. Now my homies have translated for me when they come and they saying the usual they want too get too know me but that damn lauguage barrier I'm cute etc etc.
I have no experience gaming foreign girls so I'm trying my best too non verbally convey my intentions but I'm awful. I'm so used too being too use my words that now that I can't I feel like I'm shooting blind. Any suggestions/tips from you veterans would be much appreciated.

Use your phone to look up simple conversational lines. At least that's what I would of done. But also make sure to add some humor. Welcome to the forum!

I've been contemplating using Google translate and going from there. I need too isolate her. If I can get one of them alone I'm good. There is no trust issues I've known them for months and there all super friendly so I know they wouldn't object. I guess I'll be trying the Google translate on the phone route this weekend. Wish me luck amigos... I need it

(04-21-2016 04:11 AM)SupremeVista Wrote:  I've been contemplating using Google translate and going from there. I need too isolate her. If I can get one of them alone I'm good. There is no trust issues I've known them for months and there all super friendly so I know they wouldn't object. I guess I'll be trying the Google translate on the phone route this weekend. Wish me luck amigos... I need it

Remember, keep it simple and funny. I have talked to my cousin's Brazilian girlfriend, she is a 7/10, and pretty friendly to talk to. I also approached a Brazilian student last semester and it was easier than white girls to interact with despite a language barrier. So receptiveness is on your side. Just add some flavor. With girls like that, if you ever take her out, go to a loud venue. Use physical touch to attract her there. The likelihood of the bang will be higher.

I've been on this forum a while and I've read a number of posts here and there over the years of guys talking about gaming girls despite language barrier. I'd love to see what that actually looks like or how it plays out.

In my mind I find it difficult to picture being able to overcome the obvious shortcoming in communication. I guess if there's enough physical attraction you can mime your way into eachother's pants, but having to talk/type back and forth into a smartphone using google translate just seems like it would be awkward, slow, and vibe-killing. Also very easy for a girl to lose you if you only know a couple of basic lines, words, and phrases.

Stalin it's funny you bring that up, I had something similar happen to me last night.


Matched this Hungarian chick on Tinder a few days ago, got the number, and we met last night. I thought she had some sketchy pictures but she sent me a selfie which was cute.

Late twenties and I'd rate her a 7.5, I honestly thought she'd have a few extra pounds, turns out she wasn't, she was average sized for a european, she definitely was a looker, as guys did check her out.

She has a DUI but can drive, but got an Uber which drove her 20 minutes to me. Since we were meeting at a bar

Her background after meeting her:

Born in Germany, lives in Hungary, speaks German & Hungarian. Daddy issues aka her dad came back into her life as an early teen, and I'm sure helped pay her way. Seems a bit alpha, travels and works all over the world.

She came to the states about 6 years ago, she was studying in the south east, a guy convinced her to stay.

They broke up, she came to my area about 2 1/2 years ago, she works for a very large live streaming company, the ones that do webcam girls, she works for the owner of the company as an assistant in the office. She's more one the live streaming bands startup side.

Obviously I don't trust a word she says, for all I know she could be a Cam Girl.

Told me she did have a BF over here at some point.

She's definitely shy, seems reserved, very conservative.


The Date:

She gets dropped off by uber, a gent says hi to me, she's already got a jack and coke in hand, gives me a kiss on the cheek, I get my usual and go outside on the patio.

We get to talking about our past, where we've traveled, things we've done.

Legs are pointed away, hands between legs or crossed, even her face is turned away from me.

She starts warming up and we start talking about how Americans and American girls are the worst

We bullshit some more, she suggests we get another drink, I tell her we're getting another venue.

She tells me she smokes and wants a cigg before (if she smokes, she pokes, or so they say).

We bounce to the next venue, walk around this big ass fountain, she occasionally smokes weed, and was in charge of some big underground waves back in her home country.

I can tell she's loosening up a little bit.

Walk in to venue 2, immediately regretted my decision so it was karaoke night and loud as fuck. We sit down, 2 dudes I know walk by and say what's up.

We talk some more about music, music festivals, we both like to people watch, she starts talking about cars, apparently she's restoring a car.

I can tell she's a bit materialistic on that side of things.

Another guy I know comes and says what's up and I continue talking.

Her body language is alot better, she removed the purse between us when we first got to the second venue, her legs are pointed towards me, she's playing with her hair, and she's in close proximity to me.

We keep talking, and she hesitantly agrees to a third round. I grab some waters and start talking about my rifle and movies.

I close our tab, and tell her we're leaving.

"So you drive me home ?"

"No, I need to sober up more before I do anything, we're gonna go to my house and hangout for a bit"

"Ok, we go to your house?" - said with a smile knowing she knows what's up.

"Yeah, just for a little bit to sober up"

"ok"

She smokes a cigg and we bounce, I show her the trophies I talked about earlier.

We get into my room, she closes the door, I flip the TV on, show off my rifle and boards while a movie is playing, we chat some more.

She's sitting on the end of the bed. Not good.

We keep chatting, eventually I grab her waist and tell her to come lay down with me.

"What are we going"

"Nothing, just laying down and chilling out"

She lays down, we watch the movie start laughing, and talking like normal.

As she laughs I kiss her, we literally kiss for less than 3 seconds, she kinda sighs and says:

"lol uhhh what are you doing?"

"nothing" - with a laugh

-kiss her again-

She turns away very shy and says something along the lines and that she's unsure about this.

So I speak bluntly:

"That's cool, I want you to be comfortable, let's talk"

I get the whole I barely known you for 3 hours, I don't want to give the wrong impression, I don't really know you, blah blah blah.

I'm knocking these down with, that's fine, that's cool, i want you to be comfortable, it's not a big deal, blah blah blah.

Eventually she sits up on the bed and suggests I drive her home.

I tell her I can't, I still need to sober up, suggest she get an uber.

We fumble on her phone and she finallys gets an Uber to take her.

As I walk her out she thanks me for the night, I suggest we go bowling and I kick her ass, talk about how we're both ambidextrous with certain things we do.

I give her another kiss, I try to make out with her again, she turns both cheeks for a kiss, then I say "come here" and give her another kiss on the lips.

She texts me when she's home and tells me goodnight.

Overall I think I did halfway decent, I toned down the clown/asshole game alot, became more informative, listened more (obviously because her accent was thick), I was less animated.

I feared I might of pushed for the bang too fast.

I know ASD shields shot right up and LMR was going to be insane.

BUT, she did get an uber to me, she did come back to my house, she did kiss me back.

Player's with Eastern European Women experience I could use some help here:

What would you have done differently ?
Would you lower the clown game ? She did laugh alot.
Would you take her somewhere else ?
What would you do for a second date ?
Do you think she seemed open ?

Any help with these type of women would help me out alot

As I have ZERO experience with these type of women.

It was a learning experience and I had fun. This chick was refreshing.

(04-21-2016 11:51 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Stalin it's funny you bring that up, I had something similar happen to me last night.

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How is that similar? Sounds like your date spoke fluent English, though with an accent, so there was no language barrier. I'm talking about stories where guys are gaming girls in foreign countries where the guy does not know the native language and the woman does not know English. Curious what dates look like and how they play out in such a scenario.

Like I said, unless there is some serious physical attraction beforehand and/or the girl is just easy as fuck so little to no verbal interaction/comfort is necessary to get the bang, then how does that play out?

She didn't know certain words or how to phrase things, that's what I meant by similar. There was definitely a barrier, it didn't come down to language but obviously cultural dating.

If you'd like a great insight into what you're talking about, look up LINUX's Colombian thread, non verbal game, also CleanSlate's Deaf Game Data Sheet.

I know there's a lot of non verbal cues and things you can do. Clearly I could use some brushing up on this.

@Kaotic

What did you guys talk about during the evening?

Culturally, on average German girls take a while to warm up. Slavs and Balkans tend to be even more skeptical of male motives. But since she's living here, I'd assume that she's moving closer to American cultural mores.

The problem is that you were moving faster than she was, and you didn't signal to her what was about to go down.

The "meta" seduction game happens at the very beginning where you're hitting the "hot" issues without necessarily talking about sex.

That's the general advice.

In this very specific situation, where the girl works in a shady industry, you have a lot of material to work with.

You want that first date to hit romance, relationships, sex, fun, dating.

Not too meta, don't analyze the date that you're on, if course.

If you established a back and forth accusatory vibe, you could say that she's actually a cam girl.

Since she was "foreign" and possibly conservative, what you want to do is explore how she feels about sex and sex work because of work.

WIA - my job is usually pretty dry, but then I found out that

*juicy detail, ambiguously makes me look good*
**seed planted**

What about your job
What about..

Now if she says that those girls are great, build on how those things make them feel good, and how brave they are (let her get warm and envision)

If she's iffy, then you emphasize the freedom.
If she's anti cam girls and think they're sluts... You emphasize how you're not judgmental

From that headspace, you need to start getting more sexual compliance and buy in, without laying your hands in her girly parts.

When you got her to your place, she might have been physically attracted, but you didn't get that level of comfort that will allow her to free herself.
You got her there and then you wanted more.

You want to get her home, and have it so that she wants you more. And that heat builds from way back at the bar.

In my mind, I always want a girl to feel free to express herself without judgment.

When you disagree, you don't want judgment. You also want to pushback in a way that suggests that you don't take any of that seriously.

So using her job, and having a very sex positive attitude, and teasing her so badly at the bar and also at your place - would have increased the intensity.

In terms of her lmr, it's often that a chick is trying to stop herself from handing out the pussy so quickly, not that she doesn't want to subconsciously bang.

She's trying to cool herself down. It's a flare up.

My take at least, lemme know if I assumed too much

WIA

(04-21-2016 03:24 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Kaotic

What did you guys talk about during the evening?

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In this very specific situation, where the girl works in a shady industry, you have a lot of material to work with.

You want that first date to hit romance, relationships, sex, fun, dating.

Not too meta, don't analyze the date that you're on, if course.

We talked about travel, cars, drug use, how girls are in the states, how traveling opens your eyes, about her background, about her shooting stuff, we touched on alot of points.

Quote:If you established a back and forth accusatory vibe, you could say that she's actually a cam girl.

I did tease her about possibly doing some work, she very defiantly said no way, the minute she told me she worked for a live streaming company, I knew what she really meant, but didn't say anything at first.

Quote:Since she was "foreign" and possibly conservative, what you want to do is explore how she feels about sex and sex work because of work.

WIA - my job is usually pretty dry, but then I found out that

*juicy detail, ambiguously makes me look good*
**seed planted**

Absolutely touched on this, but at one point she thought I was a military contractor doing wet work unintentionally she misunderstood what I meant.

We touche briefly on how porn rewires the mind, she told me she's non reactive to porn as if it's watching sports, I called her teasingly a liar.

Quote:Now if she says that those girls are great, build on how those things make them feel good, and how brave they are (let her get warm and envision)

If she's iffy, then you emphasize the freedom.
If she's anti cam girls and think they're sluts... You emphasize how you're not judgmental and buy in, without laying your hands in her girly parts.

Yeah we hardly touched on this, sounds like a good pressure point to focus on for later.

20/20 it sounds like I need to lessen ramble game and focus more on getting deep into her mind.

Quote:From that headspace, you need to start getting more sexual compliance

When you got her to your place, she might have been physically attracted, but you didn't get that level of comfort that will allow her to free herself.
You got her there and then you wanted more.

You want to get her home, and have it so that she wants you more. And that heat builds from way back at the bar.

In my mind, I always want a girl to feel free to express herself without judgment.

When you disagree, you don't want judgment. You also want to pushback in a way that suggests that you don't take any of that seriously.

So using her job, and having a very sex positive attitude, and teasing her so badly at the bar and also at your place - would have increased the intensity.

In my gut it did feel like I did push to fast, I knew it. I did tell her I want her to be completely comfortable around me.

Comfort game and getting in her mind are the 2 most valuable weapons I'll have in any battle in the bedroom.

Quote:In terms of her lmr, it's often that a chick is trying to stop herself from handing out the pussy so quickly, not that she doesn't want to subconsciously bang.

She's trying to cool herself down. It's a flare up.

My take at least, lemme know if I assumed too much

WIA

You know when you a kiss a girl in the bedroom and she sighs, almost as if she's surrendering her body to you ?

When I kissed her it felt just like that, she was comfortable enough around me to lay down with me and then let me kiss her.

It was definitely a flare up and she absolutely stopped herself.


WIA thanks again for the solid advice, looks like as always, I've got some part of my game to work on.

Man I love nutty college chicks.

Last summer I made a thread thinking I had failed to close this chick after an ocean swim date.

She is a plate that went on hold for 6 months due both of us just drifting apart though7 on great terms. She is a low or mid 7 21 Chinese perfect tan great skin, has the glasses librarian look. C cups tits, great ass, yoga chick, no flab. Math major and really good at it brainiac. Freak for kinky stuff.

She comes over tonight and she wore her shirt inside out. Sits brushing next to me on the couch like a purring kitten. She wants to watch a Rammstein music video on PornTube by searching keyword pussy. It is a strange music video that goes from libertine, to softcore, to hardcore sex with a money shot at the end.

She asks if it is ok changing her t-shirt because it is inside out and does it without hesitating sitting Indian style facing me wearing nothing by short shorts with her foot brushing my thigh.

She tries to change everything I say into sexual innuendo and wants to watch porn. She is already drinking a glass of whiskey.

I mean I invited her out to go skateboarding as I have been slowly teaching her this would be lesson 3. I just got a brand new Carver so I would have my own as she rides my long board. She just wanted to stay in and drink instead.

When I carry her into the bedroom unlike other plates or bangs she immediately tells me to take off my shorts and undresses to nothing almost heaving slightly in breathes of anticipation.

In short, I love freaky foreign college chicks in the heart of their experimental phase.

Love it.

And yes I am buzzed and a little high.

Strange coincidence I daygame number crunched a campus librarian on a campus yesterday and set a lunch date (gay logistics) for tomorrow. She looked young from afar. Maybe 23 or 24 I guess, was dressed in business steez.

I have banged a Mexican professor in Guadalajara. I hope to bang a real Librarian (Master's of Library Science echelon). Now to round out the college circuit I just need to bang a college athlete (while she is on the team (club teams don't count - I have banged an ex-college swimmer and soccer player though it was just after their college days. I want to, you know, be banging a chick then see her on ESPN 2 for the World Series of softball. Not the fat pitcher hog, the hot 2nd basegirl or shortstop that is the lead off hitter. Feelin' me homes?) and maybe a dean.

Gone out with this girl twice, havent even kissed her.

Actually, I dont mind that. Im actually enjoying spending time with her.

So I bring her over to my friends place tonight. My other friend is in town for a couple days and we wanted to invite some girls over and make a nice dinner, my friend is a chef and he baked a chicken with veggies and some pesto genovese.

The other chicks flaked so she ended up as the only girl there. Mind you, these are my oldest, closest friends who have known me for over 20 years.

They proceed to rant on and on about our college exploits down to every embarrasing detail about me.

She loved it. It was good fun.

Lost a potential bang due to excessive drinking ..

I approached a solid 7 with a great ass 2 days ago , I was on a great mood , had a great convo going . I made out with her ,grabbed her ass and made her feel my erect D on her thighs which completely turned her on . She grabbed my dick and saw her eyes lightning with joy . She tells me that she wants to take me home that night . This is where I fuck up , we had two unfinished beers and I start running inside the pub looking for my buddy like a weirdo to inform him that I will leave the venue with this chick . As soon as I found him, I go back directly to find the chick , pull her hand and lead her to the exit . She tells me "Where we going ?" , that perfect shit test as if she had never said anything before . We engage then in unecessary arguments . It was too late , I showed thirst (no bang in 20 days) which dried up her pussy faster than global warming could ever do . Excessive drinking had a tremendous impact at the final stage of the interaction which fucked up my frame . I learned a lot from this approach and won't be making this stupid mistake ever again .

I know what you mean Kaotic. I banged a girl from Myanmar/Burma in Finland who hardly spoke any English. She didn't even speak Finnish, just Swedish and Burmese. Ever her written English wasn't great.

At first it made our date awkward as hell for me as normally my game is to make girls laugh and when I couldn't communicate with her beyond very simple sentences I started floundering and thinking about writing the date off. However then I remembered Linux's thread and advice from other guys who are into gaming FOB Asian girls and just started ramping up the physical game.

Luckily it was a Friday night so I venue changed to a place that had a dance floor and just went for it from there. An hour later I was banging her in my hotel room.

Well in my case this chick, never responded to my text.

We bet on if the Uber picking her up was a guy or girl, I knew it was a guy.

So later yesterday I said, since I won the bet, she's taking me bowling, and asked how her day was.

No response. Maybe I scared the cat - we'll see.

I was so tired after legs I bailed on the Korean girl, she just got back from Korea recently too, but her dad is coming to visit from the east coast.

The 18 year old African finally texted me after a few days, we'll see where that goes.

I'm hanging out with the MILF Trainer tonight, she's gonna stretch my legs out after I did a heavy ass leg day yesterday.

I got a long work weekend ahead of me, then I take my M1 License test Tuesday, then it's time to go shopping for a bike.

2nd date tonight with an early 30s girl who's training for a fitness competition that comes up in a month.

10/10 body (as close as is possible, at least ), 7 face.

She doesn't drink. Tonight, after our date she was going to train at the gym (2nd today)

Both dates, I can tell she's having a good time, laughing and decent kisses at the end of each date ( soft but close mouthed )

She's got a bit of a shy, socially awkward personality. She asks alot of questions about me and talks about God on and off ( her mom used to sing gospel music )

It seems a tough nut to crack : She's training for her all important competition, kind of goody goody and does not drink.

For the third date, I'm thinking of inviting her to my place where I'll have dinner cooked ( i.e. I'll get take out from some whole foods buffet ) Invite her for a nice walk around the lake, eat dinner and watch a recorded dvr'ed movie.

At that point, I'll make the move and see how far I can move the ball upfield, if at all.

This will, after all, be the third date. In my mind, it's time to fish or cut bait.

Thoughts/ ideas on a girl and situation like this are welcomed.

(04-18-2016 09:02 PM)redbeard Wrote:  1. I've been digging back into Gorilla Mindset, and my daygame has seen significant growth thanks to a reframe. After talking with some members, I realized the problem with daygame is that my experience is minimal. I haven't put the reps in. I've been going to bars since I was 18, that's six years of constant approaching. Daygame? I would be lucky if I have 50 total lifetime approaches. The other day I was trolling the mall and realized how slim the pickings were in my town. The next time I saw a pretty girl, it hit me that I HAVE to approach her. There are so few targets in my town, and my experience is so bad, that even if I just say "hi I'm an incel" it's better than doing nothing.

2. I had an interesting approach today that I'd like some insights on...I was leaving the gym and saw one of my favorite cardio bunnies headed the same direction. The approach went very well and we end up talking in front of my car for 10 minutes or so. Turns out she moved here only about six months ago. The conversation goes like this:

RB: Hey I have to get going, do you want to get a drink sometime?
HB: I'd like to, but I have a boyfriend.
RB: OOOooooooff

At this point I was going to dive into the signature robreke "how about you give me your number, I'll call in 90 days, and we'll see what's up" line, when she goes:

HB: We can still be friends though, I just moved here and don't know many people.
RB: Nahh, I have enough friends.
HB: You sure? We can go to bars and such, I'm a good wingwoman.
RB: Haha, I have wingmen, I don't need that. No problem, I'll see you around.

In my mind...it was an alright move. If I took her number, I would never contact her. Even if I did, she wouldn't respond well enough to warrant a meetup. I value my time. It's a small gym community that always goes at 5 PM...I'm sure I'll talk to her plenty more times now that I've broken the ice.

On the other hand...maybe I could have gotten her out once, get some alcohol in her, and see how she really feels about that long distance boyfriend...

Two possibilities/outcomes here:

Her offering to be your friend and "go to bars" with you may have been plausible deniability. i.e., she was attracted at some level but since she had a boyfriend she had to justify in her mind 'well, if I only offer to be friends with this guy, and he does get some drinks in me at a bar and I end up doing something with him....it'll be his fault, because I told him I had a boooyfriiiend."

Or...

I had a decent looking wing woman once and having a female wing woman is exponentially, orders of magnitude, better than having a male wing man. It's instant huge social proof. You just get your wing woman to go up to hot girls in the bar and say something like 'hey, my friend over there recently broke up with his long time girlfriend, he's a great guy and I'm trying to get him to meet new girls. At that point, the girl checks you out and approves and your wing woman introduces you. This method can be fucking money. Taking candy from a baby. My wing woman was introducing me to interested stunners left and right all night long.

Either way, I'm thinking you should have taken her up on her offer.

Good points.

For this case - I'll play it cool. Talk to her at the gym and bullshit around. Insert as much sexual innuendo as possible. If she's interested - she'll bite. If not now, then in three months when her boyfriend is out of the picture.

I still don't think my decision was that bad.

Next time - I'll do what General Stalin said, and let her chase me. Literally, text her my name, and never text her. That way she has the avenue to text me and say "hey what are you doing? Want to grab a drink?" but at the same time I'm not coming off desperate.

Well I kind of expected this from Hungarian girl.

Pretty weak excuse, then again I sense a tone of sadness when she brought up her past relationship.

I just pushed too hard with the wrong girl.

Shit happens, you learn, especially with new types.

Only thing I can say is the door is open if she wants to hangout again.

(04-22-2016 08:40 PM)robreke Wrote:  2nd date tonight with an early 30s girl who's training for a fitness competition that comes up in a month.

10/10 body (as close as is possible, at least ), 7 face.

She doesn't drink. Tonight, after our date she was going to train at the gym (2nd today)

Both dates, I can tell she's having a good time, laughing and decent kisses at the end of each date ( soft but close mouthed )

She's got a bit of a shy, socially awkward personality. She asks alot of questions about me and talks about God on and off ( her mom used to sing gospel music )

It seems a tough nut to crack : She's training for her all important competition, kind of goody goody and does not drink.

For the third date, I'm thinking of inviting her to my place where I'll have dinner cooked ( i.e. I'll get take out from some whole foods buffet ) Invite her for a nice walk around the lake, eat dinner and watch a recorded dvr'ed movie.

At that point, I'll make the move and see how far I can move the ball upfield, if at all.

This will, after all, be the third date. In my mind, it's time to fish or cut bait.

Thoughts/ ideas on a girl and situation like this are welcomed.

I've had something similar a few times, a couple of dates that have gone well but haven't been able to close the deal.
I think your plan is a good one. If she won't come to your place by date 3 then she's not worth it and you should move on. Otherwise go with your plan, get her isolated and comfortable at your place and escalate.
I wouldn't worry about her not drinking. By date 3 you shouldn't need her to be drinking.

(04-23-2016 02:22 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

Well I kind of expected this from Hungarian girl.

Pretty weak excuse, then again I sense a tone of sadness when she brought up her past relationship.

I just pushed too hard with the wrong girl.

Shit happens, you learn, especially with new types.

Only thing I can say is the door is open if she wants to hangout again.

Shame and annoying but charge it to the game.

Broke up a stretch of duogamy with a new 21yo hippyish cutie earlier. Petite, pretty tight body, DD tits which I put to good use. Wild kinky fuck. What was I thinking sitting this out.

Took her to a late dinner afterwards and were discussing sexual experiences, she said she and her ex used to pick up dudes on Tinder and she like to watch them fuck. Glad I wrapped it up.

Had a great house party last night.

Hooked up with one of the hottest girls there - she had the whole "anime eyes" thing going on from very early on. I was getting just about every IOI in the book.
Escalated hard in our own little corner, built the tension until it was almost unbearable... our faces were about 5cm apart... then I walked away to chat to others for a bit.

Came back a while later and blew out another guy who was having a crack at her. I haven't had to do that before, actually felt kinda good. Sorry man.

Picked up where we left off. At the end of the night I had isolated her to a room and was running a bit of comfort game. Her friends came and found us, they told her "we're leaving, but you can stay if you want". My girl was a bit hesitant and seeing as it was a social circle thing I didn't want to be too aggressive. Although now I think about it, it was probably just token resistance that I could have easily dealt with... So instead I grabbed her phone and texted myself, said we should grab a drink. She practically squealed in delight and said "yeah!! I'll text you", then thought for a second, realized she'd blown her girl game, and said "... or you can text me". We kissed and they left.

Sent her a text earlier this evening but no reply. I'll give it a few days and will try to ping her again... it was the most solid first interaction I've ever had, so it's a bit weird that she isn't jumping on it like she was last night. I've seen a lot more from a lot less. But ah well, either way it was a really fun night where I learnt a lot - gained some great reference experiences.

I was spitting game I didn't even know I had. It was a great feeling today reflecting upon some of the things I had said, and what they correspond to in terms of internal change. My inner game is really improving a lot.


Looking forward to posting here a bit more. I've been watching how things work here for a while now but haven't been posting. As someone who just got out of a long term relationship recently and started getting into game, I feel like I don't really have a lot to offer here yet except for little rundowns like this... but I'll try!

^ should have offered to give her a ride home later and tried to bang her out at the house party. You escalated and she was hot and horny. Now you are trying to position yourself for a tame "drinks" date after the fact. She likely might just see you as some fun guy she "almost fucked at that party" and thats it. Given the context of the last time you chilled she knows sex is going to be your gameplan for a 2nd meet. If she was so excited about you saying you wanted to see her again then ghosted your text - not looking great. Either way try a restart in a few days. Girls are fickle.