I'm moving into a new apartment with my brother in a month from now. At first I was thinking about how annoying it will be to live with his dog that sheds. Then I realized I could use him as a prop for day game. He's a small friendly little guy (not sure what breed) so it would probably work. My brother is always getting hit up when he goes walking with him but he is super anti social so never capitalizes. How many of you playas have dogs and do this?

(04-05-2016 03:11 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  I'm moving into a new apartment with my brother in a month from now. At first I was thinking about how annoying it will be to live with his dog that sheds. Then I realized I could use him as a prop for day game. He's a small friendly little guy (not sure what breed) so it would probably work. My brother is always getting hit up when he goes walking with him but he is super anti social so never capitalizes. How many of you playas have dogs and do this?

I don't take my dog for walks per say as I live on a farm about an hour south of the nearest city. But, if I'm rolling tinder or other online game I always have a pic of me and my dog or horse on there. Bitches love animals, so when I go out with girls somehow they usually find out in their detective way that I have a dog and horses. Either they want to bang them or bang me but it's a nice little side game to have as lots of guys don't seem to have them these days.

(04-05-2016 11:35 AM)robreke Wrote:  Some observations from dating this year;....
Then again, maybe I just need to rethink and ramp up my asshole/go for the first date bang game.

I'm not sure about all you fellas but everytime I go out with a new girl I try to bang her on the first night. I realize that this may chase some girls away (quality possibly) and even in my own experience just last week it happened with this little french tighty. However, my attitude is, I'm going out to spend time with them because I want to bang them, not marry them so I may as well push for the bang as much as possible. If they don't like it, so be it, at least they will think you are an asshole/not a pussy because you went for what you wanted. Which in hamster theory, could yield you the pussy later on after some ignore game.

(04-05-2016 03:36 PM)spygoat Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:35 AM)robreke Wrote:  Some observations from dating this year;....
Then again, maybe I just need to rethink and ramp up my asshole/go for the first date bang game.

I'm not sure about all you fellas but everytime I go out with a new girl I try to bang her on the first night. I realize that this may chase some girls away (quality possibly) and even in my own experience just last week it happened with this little french tighty. However, my attitude is, I'm going out to spend time with them because I want to bang them, not marry them so I may as well push for the bang as much as possible. If they don't like it, so be it, at least they will think you are an asshole/not a pussy because you went for what you wanted. Which in hamster theory, could yield you the pussy later on after some ignore game.

There's almost no reason not to push for the bang as soon as possible. If you don't get the bang but you manage to escalate more with each date then you're on the right track...it's when you fail to escalate at all that she will chumpzone you.

(04-05-2016 04:13 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  There's almost no reason not to push for the bang as soon as possible. If you don't get the bang but you manage to escalate more with each date then you're on the right track...it's when you fail to escalate at all that she will chumpzone you.

Agreed. I can't think of a single situation where pushing for the bang caused a girl who might have slept with me after 3 dates to not see me again. On the other hand there have been times where I could have gone for, didn't, and then found out later that the girl was down and actually got turned off by my lack of assertiveness. If you're direct and not desperate it shouldn't turn her off and in some cases it might actually help.

I've changed up how I handle LMR. I used to do the push-pull thing with some success but now I just double down. If a girl pulls aways I start talking dirty, telling her how wet she is, etc. I keep the sexual aspect focused on her, telling her what I'm going to do to her, how it's going to feel for her, etc. Then I start telling her that because she's being difficult about it I'm not going to fuck her until she begs for it. Seems to be working better and faster. I don't got time for games.

(04-05-2016 03:11 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  I'm moving into a new apartment with my brother in a month from now. At first I was thinking about how annoying it will be to live with his dog that sheds. Then I realized I could use him as a prop for day game. He's a small friendly little guy (not sure what breed) so it would probably work. My brother is always getting hit up when he goes walking with him but he is super anti social so never capitalizes. How many of you playas have dogs and do this?

Don't have a dog, but rolling with a cute puppy is a chick magnet.
HOWEVER, like all gimmicks, the attention is on the dog.

The mistake most guys make with any gimmick is that they think the emotion for the thing (a dog in this case) carries over to the thing's owner.

The attention rarely carries over, and the emotion certainly does not.

So You having a cute dog doesn't mean the chick thinks you're cute by extension/association.

If anything, you're invisible.

You're the delivery guy with the pizza, not the pizza itself.

Chicks turn into 1st graders when they see an animal. (natural nurturing instinct is why I think girls like cute things. Because you know what's real cute? A newborn baby).

But going gaga for a golden retriever isn't "sexy". A nice looking bitch doesn't put the bitch in the mood.

So you have to
- get her attention
- get her emotional juices flowing with some game.

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Typical dog walking scenarios

1) Bunch of cuties see your pooch and say, "Aww, sweet doggie" and then

They reach down to pet him W/O ASKING.

The player busts their balls about this.
"I don't think she likes you"

2) They do ask, then the player has to qualify them.
"I don't think you're a dog person, you look like a cat person"

So while the dog lures them in, you have to hook them.

Getting her to respond/react to you is the key to all game.

What makes her pussy wet is when she qualifies herself to you.

As an aside...

That's the secret sauce to game. Getting her in a verbal submissive and defensive position - that makes her want to fuck you.

She might think you're Seth Green when you run up on her, but you turn into Clooney because you get her "personality". Now she wants your approval, and now she's trying to qualify herself to you.

Attraction 101. The dog allows you to throw all the game stuff at her.

3) If it's a dog park situation, or you see a chick walking her dog...it's pretty much the same with more of a social circle flavor. I'd be a little more indirect than the first scenarios.

WIA

^Outstanding.



Having a dog is just a form of peacocking.

(04-05-2016 03:11 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  I'm moving into a new apartment with my brother in a month from now. At first I was thinking about how annoying it will be to live with his dog that sheds. Then I realized I could use him as a prop for day game. He's a small friendly little guy (not sure what breed) so it would probably work. My brother is always getting hit up when he goes walking with him but he is super anti social so never capitalizes. How many of you playas have dogs and do this?

Good job identifying a possible positive.

Very easy way to have women open you instead of the other way around.

The rest as they say, is up to you.

(04-05-2016 11:37 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Dalaran

"I never had that much luck with a girl who goes on a date because she has nothing better to do."

How does this happen?

I've never been on a date with a chick that has nothing better to do. The usual situation is the girl is interested a little bit, but sex is certainly not on the table, because she *never* does that.

So my only real task is to turn that spark of sexual flame into a bonfire.

I'll admit, most of my internet couplings have been
- online meet
- extensive text
- possibly a phone call,

and then meet up. So the meet is fairly warm.

For night game chicks with shaky numbers, I basically I have to start formal and re-game them like it's the first time we ever met.

You might just be a good looking dude that pulls shy chicks that can't handle you, so they shut down.

If only the rest of us had your problems!

WIA

From the great WIA himself, I'm so honored

I'll take the good looking part but you guys can take all my problems, first come first served.

Joking aside, you are damn right that I tend to hit on shy cute girls. As said above, I'm no longer spam approaching and would rather do a nice sniper approach with day game exclusively.

As to why it happened, I had no idea and chalked it up to girls being retarded and wasting my time and hers, as usual. Which is why I assumed she had no better things to do.

Off top of my head I can think of 3 instances, one of which I already asked you in a PM.

1. One a beautiful Czech, instant date her for ice-cream after dance lessons. She was pretty warm during the initial stages, but during the date she just closed off totally, and I was running standard game. Maybe the fact that I did not paid for her ice-cream?

2. Another one is the girl I asked you about. Nice, cute, artist girl from the countryside still getting her feet wet in Paris. Strike now before she sluts up, I thought. Get her number, got her to my locked down spot, dance, talk, kino and ok conversation. But whenever I try to ramp it up she said "No, I would like to know you better before doing this" Code word for "try again", so I did, several times while playing it cool. Even got invited to her apartment late at night and still no luck. I concluded she must not have been attracted since the start, because I was running textbook game.

3. Another one is also an instant date. Gave token refusal at first but of course she accepted after I dropped "lets see if you know how to drink like a lady" (Every French hoe thinks she is one) Nice talking but again, with me doing most of the work and when I drew in to kiss her she drew back.

TBH, I did think about why it didn't work and I chalked it up to the girl not being interested. thats why I said earlier all of my success came from girls who went on date excited to see me. I spend a lot more time building attraction pre-dates nowadays.

Quote:So my only real task is to turn that spark of sexual flame into a bonfire.

Actual footage of WIA on dates:



You are at the point where you can convert an yellow light into a bang. thats the mark of true game. I'm still at the phase of converting a green light into a bang.

Then of course, there's my current LTR who took me until date 3 to kiss her. Turns out she was a virgin. I stuck around that long because she was smoking. I think the only words she spoke during the 3 dates were "I'm fine".

Bitches be crazy.

(03-31-2016 11:21 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Kaotic, a number of these status reports of yours have a somewhat overt air of bitterness/frustration about them.

Being fed up with girls, complaining about their annoying texts, getting flaked on, and a bit of general dissatisfaction.

Maybe thats not how you feel but its how it comes across. You enjoying the game lately? Always think about what you're getting out of what you're doing and if the juice is worth the squeeze.

Back from the dead, I was sick since about last Thursday. Finally 75% recovered.

Yeah I think I've reached a very strong point on game fatigue, there WAS alot of frustration on meeting girls.

I deleted alot of numbers and stopped chasing girls, bitches who are interested will text you, want to face time, send you unsolicited pictures, and want to make sure you're okay while you're sick.

Those are the ones I kept.

I can honestly, the last 2 weeks, no I wasn't enjoying the game, the evolution of my game is changing.

I also had pangs of "relationship" wants, just having a woman there.

I also had pangs of "what the fuck am I doing with my life, holy shit I'm almost 30"

Alot of self identity issues popped up in to my head as "Am I really getting what I want out of life?"

Thing is I still fuck and can get numbers easily, less patient, annoyed with games basic bitches play, I waste less time, more efficient at screening.

Just last Friday I fucked that asian girl again, but she straight up told me "she's seeing other guys" to my face, which was a turn off. She asked me if I was, I gave her a 1000 sarcastic answer then fucked the shit out of her all morning. Fucked the 18 year old softball player again also.

These thoughts with just game, let alone thinking about other goals in life.

Maybe I need to chill out for a week or two.

This has been talked about in earlier posts on this thread but I've been really working hard on speaking less during my dates, not interrupting when she's speaking and not revealing any personal information about myself unless asked. And while the sample size is too small to know if there's a true correlation, my first date bangs have gone WAY up.

Over the last couple weeks I've had 4 new notches and 1 near miss. What's interesting is that every one of them made a special point to tell me how comfortable they felt being around me and talking to me. While I love these results I still have to constantly remind myself to shut the hell up and only speak if I'm asking a question or drilling down into something she's talking about. I keep thinking I need to "sell myself" but I'm realizing that I was doing just the opposite.

I read somewhere that a lot of attraction is front loaded and it's a game of diminishing returns. So far this idea has been completely accurate in my experience. If a woman has agreed to meet up with me for drinks, the attraction is already there on some level. By speaking as little as possible and encouraging her to speak, it's building both comfort and a connection.

(04-06-2016 11:19 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 11:21 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Kaotic, a number of these status reports of yours have a somewhat overt air of bitterness/frustration about them.

Being fed up with girls, complaining about their annoying texts, getting flaked on, and a bit of general dissatisfaction.

Maybe thats not how you feel but its how it comes across. You enjoying the game lately? Always think about what you're getting out of what you're doing and if the juice is worth the squeeze.

Back from the dead, I was sick since about last Thursday. Finally 75% recovered.

Yeah I think I've reached a very strong point on game fatigue, there WAS alot of frustration on meeting girls.

I deleted alot of numbers and stopped chasing girls, bitches who are interested will text you, want to face time, send you unsolicited pictures, and want to make sure you're okay while you're sick.

Those are the ones I kept.

I can honestly, the last 2 weeks, no I wasn't enjoying the game, the evolution of my game is changing.

I also had pangs of "relationship" wants, just having a woman there.

I also had pangs of "what the fuck am I doing with my life, holy shit I'm almost 30"

Alot of self identity issues popped up in to my head as "Am I really getting what I want out of life?"

Thing is I still fuck and can get numbers easily, less patient, annoyed with games basic bitches play, I waste less time, more efficient at screening.

Just last Friday I fucked that asian girl again, but she straight up told me "she's seeing other guys" to my face, which was a turn off. She asked me if I was, I gave her a 1000 sarcastic answer then fucked the shit out of her all morning. Fucked the 18 year old softball player again also.

These thoughts with just game, let alone thinking about other goals in life.

Maybe I need to chill out for a week or two.

Yeah man we all need a sit rep once in a while to check on our life status.

I went through the exact same thing a few months back. Still going on dates and hooking up but saw my patience wearing thin. Decided it was time to take a step back from the broads and focus on other things.

Like anything in life, there comes a point where the juice becomes not quite worth the squeeze and you gotta find some new fruit or at least re-evaluate your tastes.

For me I saw myself just becoming negative and irritable, and above all else too distracted.

(04-06-2016 12:10 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  This has been talked about in earlier posts on this thread but I've been really working hard on speaking less during my dates, not interrupting when she's speaking and not revealing any personal information about myself unless asked. And while the sample size is too small to know if there's a true correlation, my first date bangs have gone WAY up.

Over the last couple weeks I've had 4 new notches and 1 near miss. What's interesting is that every one of them made a special point to tell me how comfortable they felt being around me and talking to me. While I love these results I still have to constantly remind myself to shut the hell up and only speak if I'm asking a question or drilling down into something she's talking about. I keep thinking I need to "sell myself" but I'm realizing that I was doing just the opposite.

I read somewhere that a lot of attraction is front loaded and it's a game of diminishing returns. So far this idea has been completely accurate in my experience. If a woman has agreed to meet up with me for drinks, the attraction is already there on some level. By speaking as little as possible and encouraging her to speak, it's building both comfort and a connection.

I just read a twitter quote from a PUA guru: "In the first few minutes of an interaction with a woman, you will need to be doing about 90% of the talking."

So talk a lot to get attraction then ramp it down (let her talk) to get the lay. Sounds like a good game plan.

I was telling my boy yesterday that hot Indian girls don't show me love.

I just got a hot Indian girl's number in less than 4 min conversation with her initiating the number exchange with a "We should hangout sometime here's my number."

I shouldn't be so quick to speak in absolutes.

(04-06-2016 02:34 PM)Chowder Head Wrote:  I just read a twitter quote from a PUA guru: "In the first few minutes of an interaction with a woman, you will need to be doing about 90% of the talking."

So talk a lot to get attraction then ramp it down (let her talk) to get the lay. Sounds like a good game plan.

That is correct. In a first contact situation you do need to carry the conversation. I should have clarified that I'm referring to a first date from online or day 2 from a daygame/nightgame approach.

Anyone have any solid first date ideas for taking out a muslim girl? A fairly conservative one, but doesn't always wear hijab or anything.

PM's appreciated, thanks

Are you asking for dating advice? Or player advice?

WIA

(04-06-2016 03:09 PM)Beijong Wrote:  Anyone have any solid first date ideas for taking out a muslim girl? A fairly conservative one, but doesn't always wear hijab or anything.

PM's appreciated, thanks

My advice is don't do it. Too much drama and bullshit is in store, but if you want advice go for the player route from WIA above.

(04-06-2016 01:51 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Yeah man we all need a sit rep once in a while to check on our life status.

I went through the exact same thing a few months back. Still going on dates and hooking up but saw my patience wearing thin. Decided it was time to take a step back from the broads and focus on other things.

Like anything in life, there comes a point where the juice becomes not quite worth the squeeze and you gotta find some new fruit or at least re-evaluate your tastes.

For me I saw myself just becoming negative and irritable, and above all else too distracted.

Yeah I'm clearly not happy with the quality, but I fucking love the chase. The last 2 weeks my chase was nothing but low energy and frustration.

I know banging out another 7 or 8 will get my game revving again.

It's just weird finding myself wanting a girl around, I thought I was swearing it off, but the thought has crept into my mind. I guess that happens as you get older.

Upside is I see the cowgirl tommorow hopefully, and a date with a 19 year old mexican girl friday, then bike training this weekend.

I already have this end goal of what I want my bike to look like and all the parts I want as well. I'm really excited about it.

Anybody running Daygame anymore ? Seems like online is by far the most popular go to method for players now.

(04-06-2016 07:08 PM)Dantes Wrote:  Anybody running Daygame anymore ? Seems like online is by far the most popular go to method for players now.

Don't do online and don't have have time for frequent night game at the moment. So I'm right there with you.

(04-06-2016 07:08 PM)Dantes Wrote:  Anybody running Daygame anymore ? Seems like online is by far the most popular go to method for players now.

Stopped doing online game in February because I realized it wasn't doing my any favors. Started getting make outs right away and then SNLs once a made a few adjustments. Mostly night game due to being a 9-5er and running my own business on the weekends but I still daygame when I get a chance. Generally I go low key, elderly opener type stuff. Hasn't really resulted in much for me but it's good for staying in shape and developing quick responses.

Im subletting an studio in Mexico City.

Im renting it out from an aquaintance. These where upper middle class apartments in the 50s but now are rent controlled and just shy of crumbling down. Im paying for the upstairs bedroom that was intended for the help. Its the size of a New York closet but the location is great and the price was dirt cheap and fair.

Now the dude is telling me that he wants to kick up my rent... by 100%

In fairness, I cant complain or be mad. I was getting a fairly decent price (in the understanding that I was to do the much needed repairs the studio needed and the neighbourhood has gentrified. Hipster coffee houses, restaurants and boutique stores have been popping up daily.

Mind you, a 100% increase would still be cheap. But right now Im taking some time off work, my cash reserves are dwindling down, and would go against my "keep expenses low so you can do whatever the fuck you want" lifestyle. It wouldnt be any problem to pay it, but it means setting aside twice as much for rent.

My choices are:

1- Tell him to fuck off and go stay with a close friend (a brother actually) until I get something better, which could be quite a while in this city.

2- I spend less than 6 months in Mexico City each year. My bro says I can stay with him as a roommate, rent free, for as long as I want. We get along quite well and save some pranks gone out of hand, weve never had any quarrels in the 20 years ive know him, but:
a) I wouldnt feel comfortable bringing girls over when his girl is around, which is on the daily.
b) I feel the need to have a place of my own. Some place to call mine. I have an apartment in Monterrey but that belongs to my family, not me.
c) I dont mind staying with my bro for a couple days but I dont like to smooch off my people.

3- Try to squeeze a lower price out of the dude, which wouldnt be quite fair for him as rent around has gone way up and mine was WAY cheap. I do have improved upon the place but I did it on my own and even then that would account perhaps for a month or two off of the rent. A bucket of paint and a couple lightning fixtures go a long way.

4- Let the place go and just pay for a hotel when Im in town. This isnt a good option as I like to travel light and need a place to keep my stuff as "light" usually is my laptop, camera, and the clothes Im wearing. Plus, that would force me to spend less time here, and I love this city.

Honestly, best city Ive been in.

I have until Friday to decide.

^ Can you offer to do any further improvements that may take more effort to the studio or maybe other properties or favors he needs to compromise the rent price?

(04-06-2016 11:18 PM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ Can you offer to do any further improvements that may take more effort to the studio or maybe other properties or favors he needs to compromise the rent price?

Not much left to improve at this point. Right now Im thinking to just ask him for his lowest price, wouldnt hurt to ask and anything I could manage to shave off from the rent would be good.