Today was a warm day in my area

Predictably the young hotties abound

Found myself making a concerted effort to put my bid in

Let's get it started ©MC Hammer

Spent my afternoon and evening chilling out with my Au Par bro(sadly the magnificent bastard will be back in the EU in 2 months) chatting about girls/life and hitting on every attractive girl/pair of girls that walked past us to enter the cafe joint we were sitting next too at our table.

It was more for fun and for some comedic banter, but this could be productive for number crunching every once in a while.

(03-30-2016 01:17 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I had to break the dry spell, it's been a week and a half since I bust a nut. So I banged the last notch I got, the 18 year old.

Ever just wanna nut, then not fuck a girl ever again ? This was one of those times.

She was interested in me whipping her, which I obliged.

Some girls you want to constantly get a boner for and fuck, some girls you just want to smash and dash.

Plus I had to swoop this bitch up, which took forever. I'm never doing that drive again.

Plus she tried shit testing me with the "oh wrong person sorry" text.

I'm bored of her. Next.


Another bitch flaked on me, I even called her about 2 hours before, she claimed she had a family thing come up.

This other girl, latina 19, give her a 7, matched on tinder, we've been texting, dropped that she had a FWB but "he caught feelings" - I qualified her with if she moves past fwb, we talk about it, no games - some girls can't handle that and act sketch so I drop them.

She agrees and asked how many do you have at a time, of course i said about 1000 at a time. I know she's trying to dig info out of me, I ain't giving her shit. At least she's funny and playful about it.

The 35 year old asian who looks like she's 21, I think is trying to bait me, sent me pics of her and "friend" - she's sitting in his lap in a very sexual way. Like I'm a fucking idiot, I didn't respond, then she hits me up after. I pretend I never saw it and we start talking about ropes and cuffs, she's very scared about being helpless tied up. So we'll start with cuffs.

Then she sends me some stupid ass pic of her grabbing herself in a black dress all seductively - with the guy cropped out of course.

Obviously she's nothing more than a plate, but I won't deal with baiting. I absolutely like fucking her, the sex is off the charts, but she's retarded sometimes lol.

Alot of the numbers I collected the last week are dead leads or no response, I have no hesitation deleting numbers. It's time to get better quality - I just need more fucking time out in the field and the ability to day game - when I'm not stuck in a goddamn office.

Kaotic, a number of these status reports of yours have a somewhat overt air of bitterness/frustration about them.

Being fed up with girls, complaining about their annoying texts, getting flaked on, and a bit of general dissatisfaction.

Maybe thats not how you feel but its how it comes across. You enjoying the game lately? Always think about what you're getting out of what you're doing and if the juice is worth the squeeze.

I think I solved some of the holes in my game. I was chatting up a hot bartender who was off her shift and sitting next to me at the bar. She gets hit on by dudes all day long. I tried playing around with different conversational tactics to see when I got and lost her interest. Talking about her was of course fine, I stayed away from the usual topics but asked personal questions and really listened to her responses. Then when I responded in kind with a similar personal experience she started to lose interest. So instead I tried a strategy I'd been working on a while ago before I got into my last LTR. Instead of telling chicks about my life I just relate to whatever emotion they're expressing using the same language I'd use to describe whatever I'd normally talk about but without mentioning the actual experience. E.g. Say a chick is talking about something that made her scared. If was trying to drop bait I'd tell her about a time I was on the wrong side of a drive by shooting in a 3rd world country. With the new tactic I'm thinking about that experience, reminding myself what it felt like, then empathizing with whatever situation she's describing using the language I'd use to describe my own experience without actually ever bringing it up. I started doing it too late in the interaction with the bar tender but managed to pull a solid 8 (+3 for the year - and by far the hottest one) for a ONS from my local spot the other night while telling her practically nothing about myself. From now on I'm going to focus on having the emotional responses of an interesting high value man rather than trying to prove that I'm an interesting high value man.

Think this goes beyond women mate. You should never have to prove you're anything to anyone. You should back up claims, but when you're trying to prove something people smell blood in the water. Simply be that guy and let them believe as they wish.

(04-03-2016 01:47 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  Think this goes beyond women mate. You should never have to prove you're anything to anyone. You should back up claims, but when you're trying to prove something people smell blood in the water. Simply be that guy and let them believe as they wish.

Good point. I think what I found is that when I was telling lower value girls about shit I've done they found it interesting and didn't see it as trying to prove myself but the hotter chicks saw it was trying hard.

(04-03-2016 02:35 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 01:47 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  Think this goes beyond women mate. You should never have to prove you're anything to anyone. You should back up claims, but when you're trying to prove something people smell blood in the water. Simply be that guy and let them believe as they wish.

Good point. I think what I found is that when I was telling lower value girls about shit I've done they found it interesting and didn't see it as trying to prove myself but the hotter chicks saw it was trying hard.

We all get into bad habits. Mine was doing monologues. It's a hit when you're talking to a group of people and make them laugh, but doing them one on one isn't always the best choice. Some women love their usual vapid conversations where she's talking nonstop rather than trying something different(where I learned to act aloof, give short responses, then giving her shit when she tells me that I don't seem to care), and others love being brought into a different world where the talking is all me(where I learned to double down on it with high energy, a smirk, and lots of physical emphasis).

That could also be something to think about when you're telling stories as you might also be having that same issue as well.

Spent all sunday dicking around in my house.

At sunset, I took my bicycle, walking it in my hand, to the nearest gas station to use their air pump to pump my tyres.

I rode back through the long route because I wanted to keep with the direction of traffic as it was getting darker and im not used to ride at night.

I stumbled upon a barricated street. I live 2 blocks away from a college campus and they had some sort of hippie festival where they throw coloured powder at each other.

People where leaving already but I lounged around for a while. Looked like a fine thing to meet girls. I had no idea that was happening.

Ill keep my head up for events like that one nearby. For some reason I had forgot to keep up with the schools agenda, they practically give their women away with events like these.

How would you game a cosplaying chick at an anime convention? That's something I've always wanted to try.

(04-04-2016 11:30 AM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  How would you game a cosplaying chick at an anime convention? That's something I've always wanted to try.

The opener about she's wearing is so easy you can approach hundreds with the same line.
Or neg her - and say..."I see you better suited as a different character", but don't tell her which one yet.

Dress alpha yourself.
Forget the lame superheros and gay colourful characters.
Be a pilot.
A military commander.

Or best of all, some really evil villain.

(04-04-2016 11:45 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 11:30 AM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  How would you game a cosplaying chick at an anime convention? That's something I've always wanted to try.

The opener about she's wearing is so easy you can approach hundreds with the same line.
Or neg her - and say..."I see you better suited as a different character", but don't tell her which one yet.

Dress alpha yourself.
Forget the lame superheros and gay colourful characters.
Be a pilot.
A military commander.

Or best of all, some really evil villain.

I was thinking that the cosplaying chicks would require you to ramp up the negging HARD. They're inundated with attention from geeks all day long; I would think that going direct and not mentioning the costume they're wearing at all would get the hamster spinning...if you comment on their attire it would be easy for them to fanzone you. Thoughts?

(04-04-2016 01:16 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 11:45 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 11:30 AM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  How would you game a cosplaying chick at an anime convention? That's something I've always wanted to try.

The opener about she's wearing is so easy you can approach hundreds with the same line.
Or neg her - and say..."I see you better suited as a different character", but don't tell her which one yet.

Dress alpha yourself.
Forget the lame superheros and gay colourful characters.
Be a pilot.
A military commander.

Or best of all, some really evil villain.

I was thinking that the cosplaying chicks would require you to ramp up the negging HARD. They're inundated with attention from geeks all day long; I would think that going direct and not mentioning the costume they're wearing at all would get the hamster spinning...if you comment on their attire it would be easy for them to fanzone you. Thoughts?

Sure...go direct.

Or neg with - "Where's your costume ?" or "Your costume brings out a part of you, which you usually try to hide from others."

Or non costume related:

"You're the last type of person I expected to see in a place like this."

Whatever you do, don't compliment.

Unless she's Japanese born in Japan...then you got to tone down the negs cause that shit won't fly unless her English is really, really good and she's lived abroad for more than a few years.

(04-03-2016 06:03 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  We all get into bad habits. Mine was doing monologues. It's a hit when you're talking to a group of people and make them laugh, but doing them one on one isn't always the best choice. Some women love their usual vapid conversations where she's talking nonstop rather than trying something different(where I learned to act aloof, give short responses, then giving her shit when she tells me that I don't seem to care)

THIS THIS THIS! Newbies read the above and then reread it five more times. I would always preach to anyone who would listen that on dates we should only be doing 20-30% of the talking and yet I fell back into my old habit of giving long winded replies, going on monologues, tangents and "stories" which did nothing but turn off the women I was with. I finally had a really bitchy woman a couple of weeks ago look at me and say "you talk alot..." and I knew she was right.

Since then I've worked on revealing very little about myself on dates, answering her questions vaguely and with very few words and making the conversation about her and since then have gotten two easy bangs and a third near miss (she was a religious, manipulative game player which is a whole other post ).

As much as we think that we need to "display value" or "engage" these women with our stories, of travel, accomplishments and the like the hard reality is until much later these women could not give a shit less about who we are or what we've done. The only thing they care about is how we make them feel. And one of the ways to make them feel valued, comfortable and connected to us is by them talking and us listening and drilling down on their feelings behind what they say.

Struck out on a date today. She kept turning her head every time I kept trying to go in for a kiss. I could see it in her eyes earlier that she wasn't into me even though I was making her laugh, but I kept trying to power through.

I guess I need to fold my cards sometimes rather than keep trying to force something. Granted it was fun playing connect the dots with her various freckles as a game to tease her with.

That's what you get for getting all French on us. Chicks can feel it.

(04-04-2016 09:05 PM)Travesty Wrote:  That's what you get for getting all French on us. Chicks can feel it.

I've got a chance to execute Tuth's first date bang formula tomorrow properly (Previously, I hadn't been upfront about heading back to mine).

Until I received this text.



The dancing instruction is in relation to her Tinder caption asking to get her drunk and take her dancing.

On the surface, my chances seemed to have gone south at fell swoop. But her final SMS seems loaded.

I'm sure the topic of the girl having to be up early for work the morning after has been discussed, I can't find anything though?

I've had one girl before actually decide to bring a change of clothes but it's not something I reckon I'd be brazen enough to suggest, no matter how slutty.

As an aside, what should I reply to that, if anything?

(04-04-2016 04:25 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 06:03 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  We all get into bad habits. Mine was doing monologues. It's a hit when you're talking to a group of people and make them laugh, but doing them one on one isn't always the best choice. Some women love their usual vapid conversations where she's talking nonstop rather than trying something different(where I learned to act aloof, give short responses, then giving her shit when she tells me that I don't seem to care)

THIS THIS THIS! Newbies read the above and then reread it five more times. I would always preach to anyone who would listen that on dates we should only be doing 20-30% of the talking and yet I fell back into my old habit of giving long winded replies, going on monologues, tangents and "stories" which did nothing but turn off the women I was with. I finally had a really bitchy woman a couple of weeks ago look at me and say "you talk alot..." and I knew she was right.

Since then I've worked on revealing very little about myself on dates, answering her questions vaguely and with very few words and making the conversation about her and since then have gotten two easy bangs and a third near miss (she was a religious, manipulative game player which is a whole other post ).

IDEALLY we should be doing only 20-30% of the talk while the rest is non-verbal, yes.

In practice you will have to do much more talking otherwise the date would just fall flat. Girls simply will not do the talking, at least not in the way you want to, unless she's already into you (in which case it's a different game). Whats worse is that with her ADHD the moment there's some silence she would immediately switch to her smartphone, or start looking around and opening way for other guys to come talk to her. Or simply, let the date dies out.

I find that the text-book scenarios where both talk and have fun and then you take her home, is rather the "sealing the deal" phase rather than the gaming phase. A girl who eagerly goes to a date, engage you in conversation and follow your lead, is a girl who has been pre-gamed well since the approach. Of course you need to still have good game to seal the deal.

I never had that much luck with a girl who goes on a date because she has nothing better to do. All my closes have been with girls who were pleasant to be with on the date and whom I can tell are at least somewhat attracted.

One solution to this is to make the date as non-verbal as you can. I always take a girl dancing then back to my place, so a lot of the seduction/attraction is done with the dancing.

God damn. It's like I can see the matrix. Second SNL this month. Started talking with a girl at a show. I deflected and dodged all of her personal questions about me in a cocky funny way. Then she starts asking me very detailed questions about my living situation. Boom. Ask her if she wants to split an Uber home and the rest is history.

(04-05-2016 06:18 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  In practice you will have to do much more talking otherwise the date would just fall flat. Girls simply will not do the talking, at least not in the way you want to, unless she's already into you (in which case it's a different game).

There's a lot of truth to that and I have two points to make regarding it. First off, every woman has at least one thing that they're passionate about. It could be a political cause or it could be shopping. In my experience, I've done the best when I've been able to find that passion and get them talking about it. Really ramp it, get them excited and get them talking about it on and on. And If I'm unsuccessful in finding that thing that excites them? No biggie, on to the next.

Second, I'm at a point in my game career where I only want to spend my time on women who have a reasonably high interest level in me already. I no longer have the energy to try and push that boulder up the hill in hopes of getting the bang.

Some observations from dating this year;

There's a good chance you'll get a second date if the first date ends in a nice, soft "romantic" kiss. Some hand holding or shoulder touching during it is a bonus. This scenario gives the girl a glimpse of your sexual/romantic side and plays to her romantic story-book ideal fantasy about future dates.

First date bangs seem to result in about a 50/50 chance at a second date. Reducing slut regret post bang is a must. Sometimes you can go ahead and invite them to dinner the next night at a decent place to show them they're not a pump and dump.

A heavy make out at your place, or even away from your pace, with no bang usually doesn't result in a second date, at least for me. The rationale being if the girl's done almost everything but bang, she knows what's next and what's expected on the second date. The exception to this is if she's a more adventurous and/or slutty girl who's attracted, the second date should result. I had this happen with a Latina bartender recently. But, "bartender" should tell you all you need to know.

For the more good girls or less slutty types or ones who aren't 100% about you, they get jitters about second dates after a heavy first date make out. i.e., Flake

Finally, we all know the signs of no second date:
* Stiff, non-soft, closed-lip kiss.
* Side hug
* Cheek turn
I'm going to add one that, unfortunately, has been happening more than I'd like this year. I'll call it the "hug of death" though it's more like a "goodbye" hug. The hug of death can actually be preceded by a kiss, but I've never had such a hug result a second date.

In the hug of death, the girl may or may not kiss ( the kiss is close mouthed and usually not as soft as a passionate kiss, though a newbie may be fooled)

The hug itself goes like this; the girl hugs you, a full body embrace and it is often tight and pulling you to her. It may be a bit long. The hug is saying "I like you as a person, I know I have no intention of ever seeing you again, so, I hope you have a good life." It's a definite friend zone hug.

It's almost the kind of hug a mother would give to her son who is going off to war to be cannon fodder.

I need to think of some witty, smart ass comment when this happens again, as I've become pretty good at recognizing it and at the point you get the hug of death, you have nothing to lose.

Then again, maybe I just need to rethink and ramp up my asshole/go for the first date bang game.

Pretty strong "new" poosy drought I am in. Any way other than online when you are always working?

@Dalaran

"I never had that much luck with a girl who goes on a date because she has nothing better to do."

How does this happen?

I've never been on a date with a chick that has nothing better to do. The usual situation is the girl is interested a little bit, but sex is certainly not on the table, because she *never* does that.

So my only real task is to turn that spark of sexual flame into a bonfire.

I'll admit, most of my internet couplings have been
- online meet
- extensive text
- possibly a phone call,

and then meet up. So the meet is fairly warm.

For night game chicks with shaky numbers, I basically I have to start formal and re-game them like it's the first time we ever met.

You might just be a good looking dude that pulls shy chicks that can't handle you, so they shut down.

If only the rest of us had your problems!

WIA

(04-05-2016 11:35 AM)robreke Wrote:  In the hug of death, the girl may or may not kiss ( the kiss is close mouthed and usually not as soft as a passionate kiss, though a newbie may be fooled)

The hug itself goes like this; the girl hugs you, a full body embrace and it is often tight and pulling you to her. It may be a bit long. The hug is saying "I like you as a person, I know I have no intention of ever seeing you again, so, I hope you have a good life." It's a definite friend zone hug.

It's almost the kind of hug a mother would give to her son who is going off to war to be cannon fodder.

So true and I've unfortunately been the victim of that exact scenario more times than I'd care to admit. Another thing that often goes along with the hug of death is the "muah!!" kiss. It goes like this:

You're starting a kiss a girl and begin to pick up just a little bit of momentum. She pulls back and you start talking to her about something unrelated. You think this is garden variety LMR and reengage her in a couple of minutes. But then when you're kissing again she opens her eyes, pulls away, kisses you again firmly, pulls away, then goes in for the final shot, an extra firm and longish kiss with no tongue or real passion and she makes a sound similar to "muuuuuuuahhhhhh!!!" and pulls away. It's usually followed by the hug of death.

(04-05-2016 12:09 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 11:35 AM)robreke Wrote:  In the hug of death, the girl may or may not kiss ( the kiss is close mouthed and usually not as soft as a passionate kiss, though a newbie may be fooled)

The hug itself goes like this; the girl hugs you, a full body embrace and it is often tight and pulling you to her. It may be a bit long. The hug is saying "I like you as a person, I know I have no intention of ever seeing you again, so, I hope you have a good life." It's a definite friend zone hug.

It's almost the kind of hug a mother would give to her son who is going off to war to be cannon fodder.

So true and I've unfortunately been the victim of that exact scenario more times than I'd care to admit. Another thing that often goes along with the hug of death is the "muah!!" kiss. It goes like this:

You're starting a kiss a girl and begin to pick up just a little bit of momentum. She pulls back and you start talking to her about something unrelated. You think this is garden variety LMR and reengage her in a couple of minutes. But then when you're kissing again she opens her eyes, pulls away, kisses you again firmly, pulls away, then goes in for the final shot, an extra firm and longish kiss with no tongue or real passion and she makes a sound similar to "muuuuuuuahhhhhh!!!" and pulls away. It's usually followed by the hug of death.

^ Yes, "muah" kiss is a great way of putting it. Kind of like when you'd visit your aunt when you were a cute cherub-faced child and your aunt would pinch your cheek, say she could just eat you up and kissed you on the cheek "muah" !

If the muah kiss and HOD ever happen to me again, which I hope they don't, I think I'll say something like: "I had a nice time and........best of luck" with a heartfelt look on my face.

Then, never call. Reverse psychology for her hamster.