(03-26-2016 10:02 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Wait and wait and wait forever.. and the demographics flip and then the streets change, the politics and government controls all dissent, and then europeans are driven out of their own homelands..

Good luck.

Precisely. It's time to be realistic here. Western Civ is done. Not just Europe, but the entire Anglosphere as well. The demographic degeneration of the USA is even further along than that of Europe, while Australia, NZ, and Canada will become little more than outposts of Asia before mid century. They (ANZAC +Canada) may be able to maintain a relatively higher standard of living due to the better quality of the invading peoples there compared to USA and Europe, but culturally and ethnically they will be as destroyed as the rest of the original historic West.

Now, in regards to Europe specifically, do not expect any kind of course correction to occur, no matter how bad things get. The worse things get, the faster they will continue to get worse. History tends to operate under the snowball effect, it's not a game of pong. Think of how many empires have risen, plateaued, declined, and finally fallen or been destroyed. The decline phase almost always ends up in collapse, not in a mythical rebirth. And Europe is most definitely in the decline phase.

Much as it may be appealing to think that "things just have to get bad enough" before Europe magically "wakes up" and regains greatness, that just isn't how things typically work, and this goes double and triple for demographic changes. Economic declines or military defeats lead to civilizational destruction often enough, but they pale in comparison to the power of demographics.

Just look at the no-go zones present in most Western European countries. What resistance did the native population put up to their creation? None. If zero resistance was put up during the transformation of one part of Paris or Amsterdam into invader occupied territory, why do you expect that the transformation of the other parts will result in any more pushback? Sure, you can argue that eventually the enemy will get too numerous and the remaining areas to flee to will become too few and the natives will no longer have the option to retreat, and this is true. But resistance is not the only outcome when retreat is no longer possible. Subjugation is the other, and this is the one that we are going to see, for we are seeing it already even though the invaders are still weak. The no go zones are not 100% invader, because not all natives have the resources to move elsewhere when their neighborhood becomes vibrant. Do these remaining natives put up any fight? Hahaha! They put up with being at the mercy of roving gangs of invaders, and accept that their sons get beat up in school and their daughters are coerced (as if that were needed!) to keep company to "youths."

These unfortunate souls who have no money to move away are precisely those mythical "lower classes" who are supposed to constitute the rough and tumble portion of society, but they meekly succumb to a status little above slavery at the hands of both the state and the invaders.
Soon enough the rising tide of the invasion and the sinking of the S.S. Economy will expose more and more of the current middle class to the same fate, but what makes anyone think these more cuddled people will put up any greater resistance than their poorer counterparts completely escapes me. It will be more of the same, and harder. What's more, if by some complete miracle a nascent resistance movement gets underway, which I doubt, the State will crush it with extreme prejudice before it can gain any momentum whatsoever.

So there it is. Each year brings us closer not to an awakening, but to complete destruction. As bad as things are in 2016, they will be exponentially worse in 2026, and in 2036. Does anyone really believe otherwise? Before long, the bulk of ethnic Europeans will be composed of generations who have only ever known their nations as "multicultural" and the very notion of living in "their" historic nations will be alien to them. The invader element, meanwhile, will grow ever stronger, and its thirst for total domination will not wither away because it will be always reinforced by Islam, by the genocidal Media, by continuing reinforcement from further immigration, and of course by the completely natural human desire to take every last bit of land, wealth, and pussy from the "others."

Bleak? Nah, not really. Pity should be reserved only for those who suffer from a fate outside of their control. I may pity a man who was paralyzed through no fault of his own, but I will not pity someone who tried to take her own life because feelings and botched it. In the final analysis, the Europeans will have done it to themselves, so they will deserve the fate that they will receive from their foreign overlords. The only open question is whether people like us will have a refuge left remaining to us from which we can watch events develop for the LULZ. I'm optimistic on that count. Perhaps such refuges will not exist indefinitely, but I think they will be there long enough to last us until the ends of our productive lifespans. In my opinion, and it's just that, our personal missions should not be to kvetch ineffectually about the fate the Cucks are spinning for themselves, or god-forbid actively put our own fates in jeopardy in a doomed effort to save the cucks, but rather to work feverishly to decouple our fates from that of the Cucks so that we may watch the cucks get their just rewards from the safety and comfort of our refuges.

(03-26-2016 07:13 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  The mitigating factor today, of course, is 9/11. Prior to 9/11, the international awareness of Islam was virtually nil. I personally didn't know jack-shit about Islam prior to 2001. Now I feel like I could defend a PhD thesis on Islam. I know more about Islam today than I do about Christianity, and I was raised Catholic. The west is awake now. As Dr. Bill Warner illustrates in his video "Why We Are Afraid: A 1400 Year Old Secret", our ancestors scrubbed Islam from our history books because it scared the shit out of them. I was taught in school that "German barbarians" caused the destruction of Roman civilization and brought on the dark ages. As Dr. Warner clearly demonstrates, this was patently false. The destruction was caused by barbarians alright, but they weren't German, they were Arab and they were driven by Islam.

Actually, Rome did fall to the German barbarians about 150 years ago before Islam was founded.

I think you are getting confused with the Byzantine empire, which did fall the to the Turkish Muslims in 1453. The Eastern half of the Roman empire broke off from the Western half and eventually became the Byzantine empire. It could be argued that the Byzantine empire is the continuation of the Roman empire. However, that argument would be somewhat misleading because the Byzantine empire had some fundamental differences with what we traditionally think as Rome.

Telegraph interview hit-piece on Petry of the AfD, though there's some reasonable insights on her views.

"Fixing Germany’s demographics, “cannot be a question of importing population because we can’t solve the problem ourselves.”

Frauke Petry: meet the smiling new face of Germany's far-right

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...egnen.html

Quote:The Protestant theologian Margot Käßmann urged not to react with vengeance and hatred to the attacks of Brussels. When asked what would Jesus say to terror, she answers:

"Jesus has a challenge left:! Love your enemies Pray for those who persecute you" Käßmann said the "Bild am Sonntag". "For terrorists, who believe that humans may kill in the name of God, which is the biggest challenge. We should try to deal with the terrorists in prayer and love." She says that such a reaction is difficult. "Yes, such an attitude is laughed at and it is also many people overextend. Because it is the human instinct to take revenge. But no need to answer hatred with hatred, that is the challenge. "

Love is all we need....

To clarify the question how to fight back and create resistance. This situation need law enforcement. Police that deport people, judges that punish criminals and not let them go. A government that protects the borders and filter who is coming in.
This we don't have and the question is, what can the individual do? Yesterday in the locker of the gym, there had be 3 turkish guys. Speaking turkish. I've seen then a few times but don't know them When you are in bigger cities a situation like this is normal. Turks and Arabs speak their language. In my area we have no problem districts so far, so I guess those 3 guys have a job / study or something like that. Nothing negative. But how to deal when people don't speak the local language? Those 3 turks can speak German as well but among them they speak turkish. Should you call them out for not speaking German?
The next think, I was in a refugee camp, I know people that work with them. They are not all bad maniacs. Or at least not at daylight. Safety vary very much from area to area and what kind of people there life.

When I was in the camp, there is no one that check their negative behaviour. You have some that want to know all the rules and others don't care. I don't see much misbehaviour with my own eyes. But if so, when I go and call someone out, whats then? Maybe they will be sorry, maybe they will be aggressive. The point is, nobody backs you. So either I let it happen, I call it out and the offender is sorry, or I face aggression. When I deal with the aggression I have to face the police mostly in the aftermath. So even if you want to take action its quite hard. And its even harder when your area is still safe. Either your area is already lost and its hard to gain back order, or if it's all right. Many will think, why bother, its all right.

So how can the individual make a stand? Beside train body and mind, store food and water and prepare for the clash?
When your government is against you and many people are to lazy, to blind or to scared to do something. How do you do something? Many Germans are not happy with the situation but there is lead for resistance. Even more, with the now Turkey deal and the closing of the borders at Greece, its like a big break. Merkel is safe now. We would need more open borders to push harder, that people awake. Now it seems like everything is ok, why bother with it?

Maybe you could go through the way of education.
More education means more money and that would enable you to life in more secure, more cleaner environment where you don't face problems like you have mentioned in your post (e.g. turkish speaking buddys in the locker).

Sorry to dump some sun on everyone's rainy day parade, but the globalist establishment is on the back foot in the US, France, all of central Europe, Britain and Catalonia just to name a few places.

Trump is marching through the old guard like Caesar, Brexit is on track to win, the Globalist parties in France had to unite and draw back the curtain on the two party charade just to push back the nationalists, Hungary's prime minister has all but declared war on islamic immigration and Poland is not far behind. Catalonia is due to secede from Spain when possible and the EU is utterly broke a hundred times over.

Anti-immigration rallies are getting bigger, fed by increasingly boorish islamic hubris. The ruling class are alienating their police forces and more importantly their armed forces. The EU's reach is perpetually exceeding it's grasp and it's proving itself routinely to be a paper tiger.

Militias are forming in multiple nations and winning community support. Mainstream media outlets are beginning to see the writing on the wall and either positioning themselves to flip sides or doing it as we speak. Social media is brimming with anti-islam sentiment to the point where the major players are forced to bury content and crucify random opponents, only proving that they are outnumbered and impotent in the greater scheme of things.

On to the point that will offend several people. I have never met a doom-and-gloom merchant who wasn't simply building a narrative that supported their own laziness.
"It's all fucked so why-bother."
"Everyone's stupid except for me."
"It's every man for himself."

Well it's a load of shit. I should know. I wasted five years being that guy.

The doom merchants typically seem to avoid the most glaringly obvious historical parallel. The islamic crusades and the Christian counter-crusades.

How many limp-wristed cucks fled Spain, screaming "run for your lives" all the way to the north pole, absolutely certain that Christianity would be crushed under the superior might of Islam?

Well I'm not running. I'm going to monkeywrench the globalists, and when the time is right I'll transition to other activities. What I WONT be doing is being a bitch about the whole thing.

And if anyone else wants to run down the prospects of Western Civilisation I dare them to take it over to the Trump thread.

I understand this oscillating between despair and hope.

Lets get some facts here, low birthrates are Western Europe only, Eastern Europe is doing fine. Russia is doing fine now, Poland is doing fine.

It's rather obvious that Northern Europe is a fallen empire ripe for plucking. Lets hope it is Eastern European barbarians who take over and not Mongol-Turks and Arabs.

Be realistic. Poland is a huge country. It can easily absorb millions of white refugees from Northen Europe. Do you think Poland would mind having an influx of the best and brightest of Germany, Scandinavia, England, France? Of course not, the effect would be similar to the US absorbing German Nazi scientists after the War, which led to the space age. Once you set Germanics free, absent politicking and pc, they change the world.

Eastern Europe rises. Western Europe dies. It is sort of poetic in the historical scheme of things. Eastern Europe has been the whipping boy for both Asia and Western Europe for centuries, now is the time to rise. I think this is a clear historical fact we are witnessing. I predict large scale emmigration to these countries soon and it is already happening but mostly Spaniards, Greeks and Italians.

We also have to remember the massive difference in public opinion in just a few years. Go back 3-4 years on any forum and you couldn't talk about these things, there were no /pol/ meme's on mainstream forums, Youtube, Facebook. More and more people are getting exposed to these things.

There's this curious phenomenon I noticed on Facebook. I usually don't use Facebook for politics, but sometimes I can't hold back and call someone a communist scum. Often I will get notifications of likes on my comments which are not there, when I check them. It is people liking but then unliking because they are afraid of public opinion. The silent majority might not be there yet as with Trump but its growing.

Donald Rumsfeld might have been right when, 13 years ago, he differentiated between old Europe and new Europe.

In other news: Margot kaessmann, German church leader, demands we put a hiatus on punishment, revenge and self-preservation and meet terrorist murderers with "love" and prayer. By this logic, we should also abolish flood dams and fight tides and flooding by praying it away.

The complicity and snark of the msm is incredible, I am planning to evacuate my family before 2017, sadly giving up on my as of then unfinished advanced degree and close my location-dependent side business. I will not happily stay on this train that is steered by leaders who see the light at the end of the tunnel when this light is in fact a half moon shaped headlight of an oncoming locomotive....

(03-27-2016 05:34 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I understand this oscillating between despair and hope.

Lets get some facts here, low birthrates are Western Europe only, Eastern Europe is doing fine. Russia is doing fine now, Poland is doing fine.

Not true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland

Quote:The total fertility rate (TFR) in Poland was estimated in 2013 at 1.32 children born/woman, which is below the replacement rate of 2.1.

It's not much different in Russia, Ukraine, etc. Roosh wrote about Poland's decline a while ago.

That said, birth rates naturally oscillate, which Quintus wrote about a bit ago. It's still possible that Millennials, specifically those born in the late 80's and 90's, are simply delaying childbirth until later periods, and in a decade or two we could see a spike.

Those importing the hordes only think of their quarterly earnings report.

Things change fast. Cultural memes and norms change fast. This is what's called a preference cascade and it's one reason why Trump is rising.

Ultimately I think the hard doomsayers on either side will be wrong, but I also think the high remove kebab optimists will be wrong as well.

Prague yesterday.
For our country and against islamization.
"My jsme tady doma" means roughly "This is OUR home", or "We are here at home"



EDIT: The look of two policemen at video preview says it all...

(03-26-2016 11:24 PM)quino_16 Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 07:13 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  The mitigating factor today, of course, is 9/11. Prior to 9/11, the international awareness of Islam was virtually nil. I personally didn't know jack-shit about Islam prior to 2001. Now I feel like I could defend a PhD thesis on Islam. I know more about Islam today than I do about Christianity, and I was raised Catholic. The west is awake now. As Dr. Bill Warner illustrates in his video "Why We Are Afraid: A 1400 Year Old Secret", our ancestors scrubbed Islam from our history books because it scared the shit out of them. I was taught in school that "German barbarians" caused the destruction of Roman civilization and brought on the dark ages. As Dr. Warner clearly demonstrates, this was patently false. The destruction was caused by barbarians alright, but they weren't German, they were Arab and they were driven by Islam.

Actually, Rome did fall to the German barbarians about 150 years ago before Islam was founded.

I think you are getting confused with the Byzantine empire, which did fall the to the Turkish Muslims in 1453. The Eastern half of the Roman empire broke off from the Western half and eventually became the Byzantine empire. It could be argued that the Byzantine empire is the continuation of the Roman empire. However, that argument would be somewhat misleading because the Byzantine empire had some fundamental differences with what we traditionally think as Rome.

Did you watch Dr. Warner's video? The point he makes and backs up is that the German "barbarians" were not barbarians at all. Although they took over the western Roman territory, they were actually hiring Roman scholars as engineers, doctors, lawyers, diplomats, tutors, etc. The Germans were doing with Roman civilization what the Romans did with Greek civilization centuries prior... they were not destroying it... they were absorbing it and making it their own. What you have noted is that the "heart" of civilization transferred to the Byzantine empire, which was still the Roman empire by the way, and when Islam came to call, it was not interested in absorption, it was interested in destruction, just like it is today.

Quote:After failing to destroy the 1,700-year-old sandstone statues of Buddha with anti-aircraft and tank fire, the Taliban brought a lorryload of dynamite from Kabul. A Western observer said: "They drilled holes into the torsos of the two statues and then placed dynamite charges inside the holes to blow them up."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...amite.html

The point is... Islam is unique in this regard among many other ways it is unique among world religions. Islam is dangerous and it's not because we're mean to Islamic countries. It's because their doctrine orders them to conquer the entire world.

(03-27-2016 07:42 AM)Libertas Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 05:34 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I understand this oscillating between despair and hope.

Lets get some facts here, low birthrates are Western Europe only, Eastern Europe is doing fine. Russia is doing fine now, Poland is doing fine.

Not true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland

Quote:The total fertility rate (TFR) in Poland was estimated in 2013 at 1.32 children born/woman, which is below the replacement rate of 2.1.

It's not much different in Russia, Ukraine, etc. Roosh wrote about Poland's decline a while ago.

That said, birth rates naturally oscillate, which Quintus wrote about a bit ago. It's still possible that Millennials, specifically those born in the late 80's and 90's, are simply delaying childbirth until later periods, and in a decade or two we could see a spike.

Those importing the hordes only think of their quarterly earnings report.

Things change fast. Cultural memes and norms change fast. This is what's called a preference cascade and it's one reason why Trump is rising.

Ultimately I think the hard doomsayers on either side will be wrong, but I also think the high remove kebab optimists will be wrong as well.

First of all, you're right about those issues with Poland, it is the same in Italy, in all cases it most likely because of lack of economic growth. Both poles and italians are k-selected, so their response to scarce resources are less offspring.

Second, I don't see a problem inherently with declining birth rates. We're not living in industrial societies anymore where more labor input equals greater output, not on the battlefield, not in the factories.

It is an entirely rational approach to a high-tech world. Less children means more parental investment and more natural resources for each person, along with lower housing cost and such.

What's the problem?

The problem is the r-selected arabs, africans and some asians, who breed into poverty and hunger. THAT is the problem and one that is largely created because of western medicine.

It is only a problem of not denying facts. Let's stop denying facts and facts are that the developing world have not changed their breeding patterns to match the modern world. Will it change? Perhaps, but that is what we should be focusing on. Third World Aid should be in the form of condoms and sterilization for women with more than 2 children.

This sub-replacement rate thing imo is a globalist talking point. Can someone explain to me why we need more people in a world where most can't find jobs and where the middle class is declining?

We need to deal with reality which is that there are too many low-iq third world people, too many low-iq welfare Europeans too, not that there's slightly declining European stocks. That is NOT a major issue.

^I agree, but the problem in the current specific situation is that if it ever comes to a

(03-26-2016 04:35 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  race war

, our fighting-age males will be vastly outnumbered by their fighting-age males.

(03-27-2016 05:26 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  How many limp-wristed cucks fled Spain, screaming "run for your lives" all the way to the north pole, absolutely certain that Christianity would be crushed under the superior might of Islam?

Well that's the problem some of the more optimistic posters seem to overlook. Back then it was "us against them". Nowadays, large portions of our societies AND the leaders welcome the invasion. So you really don't have a lot of support to fall back on which basically reinforces the notion of "every man for himself". Even if militias start spreading, you are at least 10 against 100. And what does it help you? Might there be a chance to turn this around violently? Maybe. But we're still operating in the somewhat regulated frame of politics and debates here. If it ever gets so bad that there is an actual

(03-26-2016 04:35 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  race war

, it might be possible because the gibsmedats will see no future social benefits worth fighting for. As long as the state provides an incentive for them to stay, they stay - and use violence if needed.

There are people protesting in the centre of Brussels right now: http://nieuws.vtm.be/binnenland/184478-h...beursplein

Of course they are described as 'far-right hooligans' by the media...

Quote:...our fighting-age males will be vastly outnumbered by their fighting-age males.

Except whites have repeatedly demonstrated that when taken off the leash they are exceptionally good killers, even against superior numbers in foreign terrain (and again, I must stress "when taken off the leash").

The Russians cleaning up in Syria is an excellent example, particularly when compared to the footage you see of muslim muppets simply blasting constant fully automatic fire over a sandbank in a desperate attempt to ream out the barrels of their weapons.

We ran the damn world for a reason, and that only only stopped when we put the brakes on it ourselves.

They are using water cannons on the protestors now: https://www.facebook.com/vtmnieuws/video...%22O%22%7D

The comments are red pilled as always.

(03-27-2016 09:30 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Quote:...our fighting-age males will be vastly outnumbered by their fighting-age males.

Except whites have repeatedly demonstrated that when taken off the leash they are exceptionally good killers, even against superior numbers in foreign terrain (and again, I must stress "when taken off the leash").

The Russians cleaning up in Syria is an excellent example, particularly when compared to the footage you see of muslim muppets simply blasting constant fully automatic fire over a sandbank in a desperate attempt to ream out the barrels of their weapons.

We ran the damn world for a reason, and that only only stopped when we put the brakes on it ourselves.

This. Former Serbian leader Radovan Karadzic was just sentenced to 40 years for genocide by the UN because his regime was TOO GOOD at killing. On the leash indeed. UN needs to go.

Quote:Second, I don't see a problem inherently with declining birth rates. We're not living in industrial societies anymore where more labor input equals greater output, not on the battlefield, not in the factories.

I don't under normal circumstances either. Like I said, populations naturally oscillate. Sometimes birth rates increase, sometimes they decline.

(03-27-2016 08:29 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Third World Aid should be in the form of condoms and sterilization for women with more than 2 children.

And education. We should teach them the VALUE and SUPERIORITY of being K-selected instead of our constantly self-flagellating and projecting the message that we're the world's villains because America owned slaves (that were sold to them by Arab slave traders) during a tiny blip in the world's vast history of slave ownership that consisted of slaves of all different colours and races.

Awesome use of the r/K selection theory in that post nomadbrah. Brilliantly done.

(03-27-2016 09:42 AM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  They are using water cannons on the protestors now: https://www.facebook.com/vtmnieuws/video...%22O%22%7D

The comments are red pilled as always.

What is the reputation of vtm news?

(03-27-2016 09:30 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Quote:...our fighting-age males will be vastly outnumbered by their fighting-age males.

Except whites have repeatedly demonstrated that when taken off the leash they are exceptionally good killers, even against superior numbers in foreign terrain (and again, I must stress "when taken off the leash").

Yeah, well. I'm not saying we're definitely doomed, I'm just guessing we are. There might be hope for a way out and I certainly hope there is, I just don't see it as the likely outcome yet. We'll see.

(03-27-2016 09:57 AM)storm Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 09:42 AM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  They are using water cannons on the protestors now: https://www.facebook.com/vtmnieuws/video...%22O%22%7D

The comments are red pilled as always.

What is the reputation of vtm news?

They are the main commercial TV station here and the most watched TV station besides the one of the government, the VRT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlaamse_Ra...rganisatie

VTM is kind of sensationalist when it comes to their news, its news focuses heavily on things relating crime. Their audience is more right wing too.

About the r- and k- selection. Some time back I did watch this documentary.




The more wealthy a society, the less children they have because its take more resources to let them grow up. Furthermore modern medicine did lower the deaths of babies. In Africa and the middle east, kids die more often, so people have more kids. Also the more kids you have the better the parents are off when they are old. They have someone that will mostly take care of them.
With the rise of economic wealth, the birthrate goes down because you need less children. There was an article about turks in Germany, over the decades they adapt their birth rates. They are still higher then German ones but they did drop compare to the birth rates they had in the 60s or to Turkey.

About the gamble who can win. The military and police can take over easy the migrants. They have no guns, they have no organisation beside the local mob. Most live in big camps that you can shot down easy. Those people are brute, savage and can turn into a violent mob. That are the problems we will mostly face. We don't talk about planet of the apes where the apes got smart. We talk about now educated people that have emotional control. They are more like a wild zombie mob then a high trained invasion army. Most of them can not read or write or just have a simple education.

It will be common that you will run into a violent migrant mob, no go areas and face the police when you organize a protest or protect your area.

A video of the right wing protestors in Brussels:




In another video that I can't find right now they were saying 'En laat u laat maar in de steek!' towards the police which basically is a battle cry that means you shouldn't betray your country.

I wish I knew how to embed this little video clip. It's in Belgium and it shows a Bernie-Sanders-supporter-looking fag get knocked out by a "right winger."

https://twitter.com/_AltRight_/status/71...8468482048

I could imaging him screeching "but you're a fucking white male" before getting BTFO.