(03-26-2016 04:04 PM)storm Wrote:  Things will need to get much worse for the lower classes before they rise up.

And while we're at it...lower class revolutions have a disastrous track record of suceeding. Many would die. Demographic changes have been done in a top down way for much of history. The Soviets ethnically cleansed Lvov of Poles and Königsberg of Prussians. It is happening again now with different names and if there is violence we should not assume the nationalists will win.

This time around it won't be a class war if things get really desperate economically again. It will be a race war. It won't be a Bolshevik or a French revolution. It will be far more brutal and terrible than those class wars. It will be a Reconquista. Which will likely be followed by an Inquisition.

(03-26-2016 04:22 AM)Parzival Wrote:  So whats your idea for a solution? Take every single Muslim and deport them?
I struggle with the idea to punish people when there is no sign of treachery but they belong to a group that commit a lot of treachery. I think its possible to filter. Israel also don't kick out all Arabs, you have Israel Arabs as well. The problem is worshipping of Islam and the death cult. We need to put our values, our culture into the minds like an indoctrination. Like Islam do, like the Nazis did, like the communist did. Everyone who is against it repent or will face the consequences. But before that, when you just live your life, I don't see the point to harm those people.

Guys - we are turning in cycles here. This theme has been debated to death and the prevailing sentiment is that 'you can't punish all Muslims just because of a few bad apples'.

YES - YOU CAN. Because this is not about Muslims or terrorists, or liberals, or what have you. You are not seeing the forest before all the trees and by participating in this sort of Marxist tail chasing you are simply feeding into their misguided agenda.

FACT IS that Islam does NOT BELONG to Germany. If you have any allusions to the contrary then I suggest you go and grab a (non-German) history book and get up to speed on the history and origin of your own people. Germany has foolishly condoned and even invited the influx of hordes of Islamic invaders who are in the process of deconstructing any vestiges of Germany culture within the coming generation. Bear in mind that this is not the first time in history that the native population would raise up against Islam and send them packing. The Spaniards did after 781 long years and although we all enjoy some of the old Moorish architecture I'm pretty certain that the Iberian Peninsula is much better off without them.

The German people finally need to heads out of their asses and decide what kind of country they want to live in. Is it the old Germany with beautiful clean and safe cities and a booming economy based on industrial production and innovation? Or is it a medieval Islamic war zone populated by fanatics with an average IQ of below 90 which are going to tear your country to pieces?

I think the choice here is clear - or at least should be. If you look at the country you grew up in as a child and compare it with today - which one do you like better? Why exactly is all that multi-kulti ideology so compelling to Germans? Guilt? Do they really enjoy being harassed, attacked, robbed, insulted, spat on, sexually violated, etc. etc.?

I honestly have stopped caring about Germany at this point as I see NO WILL WHATSOEVER to rise up against what basically boils down to a slow motion genocide. If the Germans do not care about their own future and that of their children then they simply don't deserve their own sovereign nation.

(03-26-2016 04:28 AM)Irenicus Wrote:  

(03-25-2016 01:19 PM)The Laughing Man Wrote:  Hey guys, starting a new hashtag, I think's it's really going to gain traction.



#ISupportMyMasters

Now I see the true meaning of ''Stockholm syndrome''.

Disgusting. And sad. Thor would not be pleased... .

I got a better one: #fuckthesebitches

(03-26-2016 06:11 AM)Requiem Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 04:22 AM)Parzival Wrote:  So whats your idea for a solution? Take every single Muslim and deport them?

They don't belong here. Deport everyone that's been here for less than 5 years immediately. The rest will be closely monitored. If they commit a crime, they'll get kicked out as well. If they rely on welfare for more than a year - bye. All Mosques will be teared down, they can pray in private and read and believe whatever they want, but EVROPA STAYS CHRISTIAN. No separate Muslim schools. No special food in school cafeterias. EVERYONE participates in normal school activities. That includes girls doing sports - including swimming without a head scarf. If they want to be here, they live like us. We won't bend to them even one inch anymore. They can believe whatever they want, but they won't receive any special treatment. When they fast, they can fast, but their school tests will be at the same time as every other classmate's. Their workshifts will be like every other worker's. No muslim holidays. They go to school when it's school and they have holidays when it's holidays. In hospitals, everyone will be treated like everyone else. No muslim men denying female docotors, no muslim women denying male doctors to look at them. They can't bear it? Fine - go die in the street or go back to where the local customs fit your way of life. If they talk shit to locals entering No-Go-Zones, the police force is allowed to be brutal in that part of the city. Every little bit of a hassle will be met with the full force of the police. That includes beating those fuckers up out in the open and destroying shops that have been linked to drug dealing or related activities. How do you know which one's to go after? Send specially trained and equipped white social workers in there with hidden cameras. They will soon learn not to fuck with locals anymore. Talk shit - get hit. And then deported, as mentioned above.

This will get rid of a lot of the extreme ones very easily. The rest are somewhat bearable to stay, but any further immigration from that part of the world has to be stopped for eternity.

Problem solved.

^^^^^^^ THIS EXACTLY.

Those fuckers have not heard NO for decades now. It's time we put them in their bloody places. No wavering. No exceptions. No compromises. I mean WTF - it's like you come to my house as a guest and try to tell me how to run my affairs? Even worse - you try to impose your ways onto mine?

It is beyond me how a whole continent got suckered into taking it up the cultural/social ass for this long. While their 'guests' rape their women, assault/molest/beat up their children, steal, rob, insult, humiliate, etc.

The only thing these people understand is strength and force. What we need is a right wing uprising that puts these assholes in their economic, social, and cultural place. Yes, that's right - we don't give a shit about your backward culture, your superstitions, your prejudices, and your political agendas. The countries you come from suck and you should be thanking us once per day that we are tolerating your presence.

Anyone who disagrees or even so much as mouths off is booted out of the country. Oh yeah, and while I'm at it - we need a new fucking pope. Most preferably he'll call himself Pope Urban III.

(03-26-2016 09:18 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Well, from our own resident muslim Mikado, has made it clear that if anyone wants to deport him he will turn violent.

These people won't leave on their own accord - unfortunately.

I support buying them out to begin with. Kicking out all who don't have citizenship. Kicking out all who dual citizenship. These can be enacted within existing laws.

SO WHAT? This is such a typical Western response. If they don't want to leave peacefully then KICK THEM OUT - WITH FORCE. And by that I mean a trained no-fucks-giving SWAT team that pins the fucker on his face and then throws him into a holding facility after which we put him on a military plane with a few dozen of his comrades.

The underlying problem here is that the West is so pussified that it is unable to deal with violent resistance. Just because someone is threatening with a violent response doesn't mean I am accepting his terms. Fuck these people - they don't belong to Europe and I want them out. Hundreds of thousands of my ancestors who died with a sword in their hand during the Reconquista and the Crusades would whole heartedly agree.

(03-26-2016 04:52 PM)redpillage Wrote:  I mean WTF - it's like you come to my house as a guest and try to tell me how to run my affairs? Even worse - you try to impose your ways onto mine?

This just reminded me of something that happened to a girl I dated in Montreal. She was getting her hair done at a downtown salon one afternoon when a Muslim woman walked in decked out in her hijab. The Muslim woman asked the salon owner, a woman who was currently working on my girlfriend's hair, for a job. So the salon owner asked about qualifications and experience and such, and then asked the Muslim woman if she wanted to sort of "audition" by doing the hair of one of the other employees. The Muslim woman agreed and began working on an employee's hair. It's important to note that there were ONLY women in the salon at the time. Then a man and a young boy walked into the salon and began talking to the owner lady. The Muslim woman spoke up immediately and demanded that the owner remove the men from "her workplace" because her religion prohibited her from working in the presence of men. The owner was stunned. The owner then explained to the Muslim woman that the man was her husband and the young boy was her son. The Muslim woman was not deterred and she continued to complain vigorously until finally the owner kicked the ignorant cunt out of the place. The ignorant Muslim cunt then proceeded to file a complaint with the ministry of labour, which I helped out in fighting legally. I remain, to this day, shocked by the unmitigated gall of that woman. Send them back. They have to go back. They don't want integration. They demand submission and they will accept nothing less. Send them back. They have to go back.

About status and fear, research show that in the most wealthy areas in Germany, people have the biggest fear. The more you have, the more you fear to lose it. The questions is, what do you consider a threat to your status? A low live immigrant stealing your job? Not really. But I see a split in the society, its 50 / 50 about the whole immigration / refugee situation. I lack the observation skills if the people see the things worse. Have to talk more to people because mostly I'm surrounded by like minded people. This can distract the own point of view.

When you see who favours the AfD or write critical comments about refugees. Its not only the lower class. Its well educated professors, teachers, managers that worry. Economical professors that point out the madness. I have this scene from the movie Nixon (1995) in mind where he is at the Lincoln Memorial and meet some students. They talk about the Vietnam war and then this one student realise, Nixon has no power to stop it. Its a big machine and even the President can't stop it. Merkel said many years ago, Multiculture failed. Many politicians talk about punishment for offenders, that those people should show respect for our values and so on. They do all the sweet talk. But what happen? Nothing. And when some new party like the AfD rise, they get the blame when speak that immigrants have to respect our values. Muslims immigrants slip into Europe since 50 years, it get worse and worse. Terror attacks, killing people on the street. Areas that turn, rise of crime. What happen? Nothing.
I mean they even know since years how to deal with immigrants and how to prevent crime. There was the case of the youth judge Kerstin Heisig, with a new concept how to deal with youth offenders. Bavaria use it and it work. Other states reject it because of their ideology.

What drive me insane is the lack of action. They all talk nonsense all day. Nobody stand up and say, lets do something. And if someone do so, the person get all the blame. We lost our society long ago and people awake. The refugee shock was big. All the things that had be out there, the problems, the issues but never get touched just talked about become now critical. But even now, nothing happen. Germany, Europe's strongest economy, many people admire Germany but when you live inside and experience the lack of action, the wimpy pimpy behaviour of people and even more of authorities it get crazy. They are great to give you a pain in the ass when there is a ridiculous law and you don't obey. Even when every person see how ridiculous the law is, nothing will change that law so far. And when there is the time to make better laws, new action, they do nothing. They just act when its backed up by the already existing situation. I know this mentality quite well. Everyone want to play safe, back up his ass. Its everywhere. In companies, in politics. You have a new idea? Great but the old system work as well.
Don't get me wrong, there are companies and people that dare to take a risk but you don't find it in the big companies nor in politics. There are the safe players.

All this we face now had not need to come. But it did so because the ideology of cultural marxism runs so deep into the minds of the people. Those that are behind this are the few that take the action. The counter movement lacks the action. The now deal with Turkey and that the other countries did close the border are a good proof of it. Now the pressure is gone, Merkel is the winner, even if she did nothing. Is like a snug sliding on a blade. Like colonel Kurtz say in Apocalypse now.
We face something that don't know mercy, that don't know tolerance. All they know is to die in glory for their Allah or to kill and enslave us all. As long as the people don't realize this, we will lose. And this include also how we deal with immigration. We lost to stand for our own tribe, our culture. We got driven away by globalist humanity that we gamble the fundamental of our society.
The question is how can the individual take action? Prepare for war. Train your body and mind, store food and water. But even more, I wonder what to do when I see those people on the street. Today in the gym, in the looker room there had be 3 turks and speaking turkish. Would this call for action? They are not like the new invaders and where I live there are no real turkish ghettos. So all in all I guess those guys have regular jobs so far. I was in a volunteer camp, I know people that interact with volunteers. Its not like they are all brute savages. Maybe when we turn away, who knows. They are hard to read. But what do those people want here? And how to get them out? When I do it, when I harm then in any way, when I confront them even when they misbehave. I have to face legal consequences. So when there is the talk about wimpy Europeans, all who say so, then give a solution how to face it?

(03-26-2016 10:02 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 10:00 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 09:39 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  ...That's what's missing in the culture of european nations these days.

Still too early. Everyone still has too much to lose. The ass is still dropping out of the economic markers that prop up the middle class.

When a few million more natives are left destitute while we're still importing economic migrants then you'll start to see some serious anger hitting the streets.

Wait and wait and wait forever.. and the demographics flip and then the streets change, the politics and government controls all dissent, and then europeans are driven out of their own homelands..

Good luck.

Exactly - forget about this big economic correction/depression that is supposed to hit any day now.... since about 2008. Those cats at the top have gotten extremely good at papering over economic cycles. Sure people are still being taken the woodshed but it's via globalization, the destruction of the middle class, and slow systematic inflation. Most people know they're being worse off than their parents but they are unable to put all the pieces together. And even if they do - they feel powerless after having watched the banksters and politicians win the battle every fucking single time.

There won't be a big depression, just a slow relentless slide into poverty, indebtedness, an government suppression/manipulation of basic civic rights. Instead of the big blow up we're getting the boiling frog and human beings are very bad at adjusting to slow changes.

So I'm with El Chinito - the jig is up and the fact that Europeans have not risen up years ago tells me that they are effectively doomed. Some parts of Eastern Europe may turn into a stronghold but one wonders how long they can hold up with several Islamic countries at their borders (i.e. Germany, Austria, Sweden, etc.).

(03-26-2016 12:22 PM)Parzival Wrote:  I just said, deport someone because he is a Muslim is not the way I would chose. Deport someone because he take social welfare with no intention to get a job in mix with no intention to integrate. Cut social welfare. Public show of Islamic religion? Punishment. Violent or cultural strange behaviour - punishment. Check who is coming to Europe, filter hard. Also use a quota to avoid that immigrants take over. Build up camps when there is no deportation possible.
I also did not mean to Deprogramming the people. I mean to bring back a positive nationalism and positive values. We lack some positive symbols for identification in Germany. Look how they bent over for the Muslim Overlords in their ideology of wrong tolerance. This is mental sickness. People need orientation, something positive to look up to.

I disagree to kick in doors from Muslims with no proof of their misbehaviour. First of all we need to set up new positive nationalist values. If you don't follow them you are a cultural offender, not direct a criminal. Cultural offenders have to face deportation or send to camps with walls where they can live lawless. We can track down the last 5 years and check what they are doing now. Then we can deal with them. Also we need direct punishment of offenders. The way we deal now with them don't work.
I want to avoid arbitrariness. I want to have laws and rules that are legal. Then its everyone choice to follow them or not. Because when you have no law, you have chaos. And chaos is bad because when people don't know whats going on, live in terror, then there is no development.

When I see the Muslims in their districts, when they hang out in a pack, speak their own language, go to their places. Its disturbing. But on the other side, I never feel like this when I see some Chinese.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...enzen.html

Quote:If the Dublin rules would have been fully complied with, only 1699 immigrants in Germany have applied for asylum last year. The remaining approximately one million newcomers were already in a safe third country before coming to Germany. "The Federal Police presented in 2015 a total of 1699 asylum seekers found not entered via a safe third country or safe country of origin to Germany. The arrivals were mainly from the airports and only a very small proportion of the ports", had the federal police of " world "reported in February on request.

Just imagine we had law and order, then only 1699 people would have arrived in Germany.

You STILL don't get it Parzival - I think years of liberal/Marxist indoctination have distorted your perspective. The only 'Muslims' who should be allowed to remain in Germany are the ones who publicly and in writing agree that Sharia law has no meaning in Germany and the only law of the land is the Deutsche Grundgesetz. THAT IS IT. Everyone else has one week to leave Germany.

Sounds pretty reasonable, right? Unless you admit that you are living in an Islamic country. And if you do that then your future history has already been written.

How islam destroyed Lebanon (a once majority Christian nation).

Lady says in the video, that the useful idiots of the left never woke up until it was too late. Once they did they were disposed of.

(03-26-2016 05:38 PM)memcpy Wrote:  How islam destroyed Lebanon.

Lady says in the video, that the useful idiots of the left never woke up until it was too late.

From the same lovely wall survivor, Brigitte Gabriel...





"The peaceful majority were irrelevant."

- Brigitte Gabriel (WB)

(03-26-2016 04:35 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 04:04 PM)storm Wrote:  Things will need to get much worse for the lower classes before they rise up.

And while we're at it...lower class revolutions have a disastrous track record of suceeding. Many would die. Demographic changes have been done in a top down way for much of history. The Soviets ethnically cleansed Lvov of Poles and Königsberg of Prussians. It is happening again now with different names and if there is violence we should not assume the nationalists will win.

This time around it won't be a class war if things get really desperate economically again. It will be a race war. It won't be a Bolshevik or a French revolution. It will be far more brutal and terrible than those class wars. It will be a Reconquista. Which will likely be followed by an Inquisition.

Bro the last time that happened Europeans had birthrates of something like 5 kids per woman.

There just isn't enough Euro youth in Western Europe anymore to actually cause a revolution like in the old days.

This time around it will be White genocide.

(03-26-2016 05:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 04:35 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 04:04 PM)storm Wrote:  Things will need to get much worse for the lower classes before they rise up.

And while we're at it...lower class revolutions have a disastrous track record of suceeding. Many would die. Demographic changes have been done in a top down way for much of history. The Soviets ethnically cleansed Lvov of Poles and Königsberg of Prussians. It is happening again now with different names and if there is violence we should not assume the nationalists will win.

This time around it won't be a class war if things get really desperate economically again. It will be a race war. It won't be a Bolshevik or a French revolution. It will be far more brutal and terrible than those class wars. It will be a Reconquista. Which will likely be followed by an Inquisition.

Bro the last time that happened Europeans had birthrates of something like 5 kids per woman.

There just isn't enough Euro youth in Western Europe anymore to actually cause a revolution like in the old days.

This time around it will be White genocide.

I don't think so. We don't know where the flashpoint will be (Sweden? Germany? Belgium?) but once the bloodshed starts, it will turn into a World War fairly quickly. After that, I predict you'll see migrating white warriors, what we used to call "Crusaders" (which, incidentally, was also the name of my high school football team where I played defensive end ferociously) come to the aid of the afflicted region, wherever that may be. A lot of these Crusaders will come from places like Colorado and Texas, where good old boys have just been itching for a chance to play with their toys. The IQ deficit that the migrants suffer from will be a deciding factor in such a war, not to mention the lack of weapons, equipment, and training. In other words, they won't stand a chance.

(03-26-2016 05:09 PM)Parzival Wrote:  About status and fear, research show that in the most wealthy areas in Germany, people have the biggest fear. The more you have, the more you fear to lose it. The questions is, what do you consider a threat to your status? A low live immigrant stealing your job? Not really. But I see a split in the society, its 50 / 50 about the whole immigration / refugee situation. I lack the observation skills if the people see the things worse. Have to talk more to people because mostly I'm surrounded by like minded people. This can distract the own point of view.

I'm trying to be gentle here as I really enjoy your contributions, but quite honestly once again years of brainwashing apparently have been taking a toll on you, brother.

If there really IS a split of 50/50 in the population, as you say (and I basically agree), then unmitigated immigration SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING. There should be at minimum a referendum but even then the terms for immigration should be stringent. If 40 Million people ++ of a nation of 80 Million are against the systematic replacement of their own gene pool then there is no basis for even remotely entertaining a policy with such irreversible long term implications.

Which once again leads me to say that the German people are done for. Remember that this population replacement is an exponential problem - by the time a large majority in Europe wakes up it will be way too late. As a matter of fact I think the train has already left the station folks - Western Europe is done. Enjoy what is left of it while it lasts - I say we have about a decade or so until the last white man turns off the lights and leaves for safer shores.

So 50/50 split in the population over the immigration issue, eh? Sounds a lot like the gender distribution. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... I wonder which gender is pro-migrant...

Never should've let 'em vote.

(03-26-2016 05:28 PM)redpillage Wrote:  You STILL don't get it Parzival - I think years of liberal/Marxist indoctination have distorted your perspective. The only 'Muslims' who should be allowed to remain in Germany are the ones who publicly and in writing agree that Sharia law has no meaning in Germany and the only law of the land is the Deutsche Grundgesetz. THAT IS IT. Everyone else has one week to leave Germany.

Sounds pretty reasonable, right? Unless you admit that you are living in an Islamic country. And if you do that then your future history has already been written.

I just read a page or so back, re programming the mind ain't that easy^^
Merkel will tell you also that the Grundgesetz counts but look where we are now? The Greens will tell the same. Still we have those issues. The problem is, how to deal with it.
I never did disagree that we face a cultural invasion and have to ban any sing of Islam. It has to be erased. When they repent AND are a benefit for society, why not keep them. What Europe lack, is action, not the laws.
When Merkel kick them all out, I'm just fine with that. Till then I do some mind ping pong and ask myself. What can I do? Beside preparing for the worst?

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...gerer.html

Quote:Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière (CDU) wants refugees permanent residence in Germany forbid, if they refuse to learn German and refuse job offers. The legal situation previously in force should be amended accordingly, he said the ARD studio (Saturday).

He wants to achieve, "that there is a connection between the successful completion of integration and the permit how long you can stay in Germany". It is already the authorization for establishment, which makes possible an unlimited residence and employment in Germany, however, tied to strict conditions.

At the latest in May he will present an integration law, de Maizière announced. It is also a resident pad be contained for Refugees - "we do not want ghettos".

Something like this just seems like the majority can integrate and if not will deal with. But its just empty phrases. Why should we deal to integrate them in the first place? When you move to an other country you either accept the laws or go back home. No other country in the world say: Oh you don't respect our laws and culture, we give you free language and culture training and all crimes you did will be seen lightly because of the discrimination you face.

Guys, a bit of perspective here. Every war involving race or religion on European soil has involved the world super powers and the entire world was never the same. Hoping for change is one thing but all out shit hitting the fan, lets blow shit up may not have the intended consequences we might hope for.

Not for our generation anyway.

(03-26-2016 12:22 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  Oh OK, I did misunderstand you then. My apologies. Text messages are a highly flawed medium of communication. That said, I don't think the idea of deporting "recent" migrants is reframing. I think this is the "common ground" that will be occupied in the clash between the nationalists like you and I, and the bleeding heart migrant-lovers, who are primarily women who hold the power to vote and protest, and are exercising that power. Women have the vote now. That is unfortunate, but we have to deal with it. A deal will have to be struck with them and deporting "recent" migrants is the best you will get out of them and it is an achievable deal given current events. If you start saying "white European" and "blood and soil" in a negotiation, Soros will just send out his nude, painted-up Femen whores to get hit with water cannons by riot cops and the whole process will get derailed. Common ground must be sought. Art of the deal.

There is no common ground with leftists much less evil sociopathic leftists like Soros.

Give them an inch and they will take a mile.

The decisive factor will be if the US elects Donald Trump or Hitlery. Lets not forget the last time Europeans decided to do some Reconquista in Serbia, the US bombed the Christian warriors in favor of the mongol hordes.

The Serbs decimated the Bosnians and Albanians in weeks by the way. Too bad Croatia and Serbia got into that religious thing.

If Hillary is elected, no doubt US forces will invade to fight down nationalist insurgency. If Trump is elected, there might be help for the nationalists. Putin sitting on the sideline will be looking to gain friends in a new European order. Poland might choose to annex some German land.

This thing is impossible to predict. The end goal of elites is to make Europe into Israel, a police state of apartheid. The media is already casually talking about terrorism in Europe like its some normal event.

That's why I'd wish that the first deep strikes go against the media not immigrants.

(03-26-2016 06:36 PM)quino_16 Wrote:  There is no common ground with leftists much less evil sociopathic leftists like Soros.

Give them an inch and they will take a mile.

I agree. But I'm hoping leverage can be used to get a deal done that they will dislike, but agree to. If a deal can't be made to deport migrants soon, then a peaceful resolution may be impossible. 21st century Reconquista/Inquisition won't be pretty and nobody wants that.

(03-26-2016 06:39 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  The decisive factor will be if the US elects Donald Trump or Hitlery. Lets not forget the last time Europeans decided to do some Reconquista in Serbia, the US bombed the Christian warriors in favor of the mongol hordes.

The Serbs decimated the Bosnians and Albanians in weeks by the way. Too bad Croatia and Serbia got into that religious thing.

If Hillary is elected, no doubt US forces will invade to fight down nationalist insurgency. If Trump is elected, there might be help for the nationalists. Putin sitting on the sideline will be looking to gain friends in a new European order. Poland might choose to annex some German land.

This thing is impossible to predict. The end goal of elites is to make Europe into Israel, a police state of apartheid. The media is already casually talking about terrorism in Europe like its some normal event.

That's why I'd wish that the first deep strikes go against the media not immigrants.

It's interesting that you brought up Serbia because I just read the following story and I was thinking about that war...

Quote:Former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic has been convicted of genocide and war crimes in the 1992-95 Bosnian war, and sentenced to 40 years in jail.

UN judges in The Hague found him guilty of 10 of 11 charges, including genocide over the 1995 Srebrenica massacre.

Karadzic, 70, is the most senior political figure to face judgement over the violent collapse of Yugoslavia.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35893804

The mitigating factor today, of course, is 9/11. Prior to 9/11, the international awareness of Islam was virtually nil. I personally didn't know jack-shit about Islam prior to 2001. Now I feel like I could defend a PhD thesis on Islam. I know more about Islam today than I do about Christianity, and I was raised Catholic. The west is awake now. As Dr. Bill Warner illustrates in his video "Why We Are Afraid: A 1400 Year Old Secret", our ancestors scrubbed Islam from our history books because it scared the shit out of them. I was taught in school that "German barbarians" caused the destruction of Roman civilization and brought on the dark ages. As Dr. Warner clearly demonstrates, this was patently false. The destruction was caused by barbarians alright, but they weren't German, they were Arab and they were driven by Islam.





Islam was terribly misunderstood and underestimated at the time of the Bosnian war. If conflict like that breaks out again, I predict things will go much differently this time around.

(03-26-2016 10:13 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 10:02 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Wait and wait and wait forever.. and the demographics flip and then the streets change, the politics and government controls all dissent, and then europeans are driven out of their own homelands..

Good luck.

You skipped right over the part in between. Would you say the governments have more or less of a handle on the discontent than they did a year or five ago?

The leading governments in Europe are doing precisely jack fucking shit and are the ones complicit in flooding these countries with undesirables to begin with.

Where is this inbetween you speak of? Trump even pointed out how Brussels looked like little Saudi Arabia. When a man as wealthy and powerful as Trump notices how far certain countries have fallen from the ground level then it is very apparent.

Demographic shifts don't happen overnight but they certainly happen in a way where neighborhoods can easily change in a decade. When entire neighborhoods change then that's when they vote in their own people and establish their own politics and subculture within the (previously) dominant culture. By the time people actually realize this it's usually too late.

Quote:You may be impatient but you have little choice but to wait unless you want to make a martyr of yourself.
There are plenty of movements growing, and despite the high profile arrests of a few vocal dissidents the enti-EU/anti-tyranny numbers are getting larger and louder by the day.

I'm not white nor of european nationality to begin with so technically I have less of a horse in this race. However, any rational individual should realize that replacing european civilization with the degeneracy of the subcontinent, north africa, or the middle east will be a horrendous blow to humanity as a whole.

The capitulation of the modern european male is one of the most horrible and also laughable events to come out of modern culture. The reverse colonization of Europe by the most degenerate cultures and religion imaginable is really just shameful. Just think about this for a moment..young european men died en masse for their countries over world wars and for kings in the past yet in the modern era allow vagrant north africans and arabs to rape and pillage their own urban centers.

There are no words of condolences or sympathies there to hide the fact about how ultimately pathetic this is.

(03-26-2016 05:09 PM)Parzival Wrote:  So when there is the talk about wimpy Europeans, all who say so, then give a solution how to face it?

100000000x this.

Fix this and we solve the migrant issue, which is only a symptom.

tl;dr Muslims are fueled by more anger and hate than the rest of the world, they will take what they can. Eventually, Europe will awaken but it will take much more pain before that happens. Men will shake off the SJW reprogramming and fight back. In some ways, this whole thing reminds me of Lord of the Rings. Men fighting back orcs, sounds about right.

The Muslims are just more determined and fueled by anger and hate. Sadly, the more you give them, the more they will want. Because in some ways, they are like children and have no ability to process the situation objectively and therefore can show no appreciation. They have been getting the bad part of the deal for a long time in their minds and everything they are getting or creating is just reparations in their minds.

In some ways (I said some ways) it is like the debate over abortion. The ones who are angriest (the ones who want Roe V Wade overturned) are constantly debating this and have even killed for it. The winners (the people who want abortions for everyone) don't care much about fighting it since they "won."

Only when Europeans have felt like they have lost enough and gotten enough of a raw deal will they truly fight back. Anger, pain and shame are powerful energies that fuel violence but also allow for people to stand up and fight.

So maybe a few thousand more stories of violence, thefts, rapes, murders, bombings and maybe theire will be enough anger. The average male has been forced to stuff down all their natural instincts by the SJW reprogramming. It will take a while for them to find their manhood. I don't mean that disrespectfully, they still have the bloodlines of men who fought two world wars and endured many difficulties.

In some ways, this may sound ridiculous, this has the elements of the Lord of The Rings. We all know who the good guys and bad guys are in this story. At some point, men will find their strength and courage and push back the invasion of orcs.

This scene is sort of relevant. A crazy mayor/civil servant refuses to ask for help or listen to others (sound familiar?) and the little hobbit has to go around his back. If you can't wait for all the beacons to be lit, go to the last 30 seconds. At some point people will get it, there will be a call for aid and I believe that the countries will rally and drive out the invasion. But there is a long road of blood between now and when good guys fight back.

(03-26-2016 04:04 PM)storm Wrote:  hydrogonian,
If the lower classes have it so bad, why don't they just rise up? So far the immigration riots are dwarfed by those of the football hooligans. Your lower classmen are more interested in football (escapism) than their community. Sad!

My reference is the USA. I'd submit that European fractured communities aren't nearly as prevalent nor inescapable as the vast swaths of ghetto and transitional communities that we have in the urban USA.

Second, you are asking why individuals that have been absolutely atomized, and without community, don't "rise up"? Your rhetorical question answers itself. Only communities are effective in cooperating politically or in any other manner.

They aren't "my" lower class-men. Though, if you are European your language reflects the problem that I was before highlighting. To further highlight it, I would refer you to more functional groups who do not see a group rift between "their" lower classmen and themselves. And stop using sentence structure like you are trying to be Donald Trump. Weird!

Quote:When they can no longer escape from the truth, then things will improve. Realistically speaking, that is very far away. Look to history for the conditions needed (recall above the expulsion in 1609):

Quote:By 1607 the government had a debt of almost 23 million ducats and had assigned away all its revenue for four years ahead.

https://faculty.history.wisc.edu/sommerv...351-06.htm

During the French revolution men were dying en masse, starving in Paris from lack of cake.

The Bolsheviks entered during the disastrous WWI.

Everywhere you see a break of the status quo, it is much worse than some rapes.

Things will need to get much worse for the lower classes before they rise up.

You are making my point for me. You are illustrating the rock bottom conditions that come long after fractured tribalism that needed to defend itself way before these conditions arose. The conditions that you describe are for a class war that finishes off a fractured society. Your job, if you are European, is to assure that you cooperate effectively long before these conditions occur. If you are waiting for these conditions, or relying for on the time when other people will finally respond to them, then you are essentially awaiting for the self-implosion that comes long after the destruction is complete.

Quote:And while we're at it...lower class revolutions have a disastrous track record of suceeding. Many would die. Demographic changes have been done in a top down way for much of history. The Soviets ethnically cleansed Lvov of Poles and Königsberg of Prussians. It is happening again now with different names and if there is violence we should not assume the nationalists will win.

I'm not sure what your point is here. You are the one advocating for and predicting a lower class revolution. If you had read my post, I was illustrating the problem embodied in people with perspectives that you have. You live in contentment and thus see yourself disembodied from your brethren along class lines. That's the foreign software in you.