The hashtag #StockholmSyndrome would work well I think. With pics and memes of Europeans appeasing Muslims.

Heh.

(03-26-2016 04:22 AM)Parzival Wrote:  So whats your idea for a solution? Take every single Muslim and deport them?

They don't belong here. Deport everyone that's been here for less than 5 years immediately. The rest will be closely monitored. If they commit a crime, they'll get kicked out as well. If they rely on welfare for more than a year - bye. All Mosques will be teared down, they can pray in private and read and believe whatever they want, but EVROPA STAYS CHRISTIAN. No separate Muslim schools. No special food in school cafeterias. EVERYONE participates in normal school activities. That includes girls doing sports - including swimming without a head scarf. If they want to be here, they live like us. We won't bend to them even one inch anymore. They can believe whatever they want, but they won't receive any special treatment. When they fast, they can fast, but their school tests will be at the same time as every other classmate's. Their workshifts will be like every other worker's. No muslim holidays. They go to school when it's school and they have holidays when it's holidays. In hospitals, everyone will be treated like everyone else. No muslim men denying female docotors, no muslim women denying male doctors to look at them. They can't bear it? Fine - go die in the street or go back to where the local customs fit your way of life. If they talk shit to locals entering No-Go-Zones, the police force is allowed to be brutal in that part of the city. Every little bit of a hassle will be met with the full force of the police. That includes beating those fuckers up out in the open and destroying shops that have been linked to drug dealing or related activities. How do you know which one's to go after? Send specially trained and equipped white social workers in there with hidden cameras. They will soon learn not to fuck with locals anymore. Talk shit - get hit. And then deported, as mentioned above.

This will get rid of a lot of the extreme ones very easily. The rest are somewhat bearable to stay, but any further immigration from that part of the world has to be stopped for eternity.

Problem solved.

Black Pigeon's latest video is brilliant but I don't agree with his assertion that Trump may make a make a mess of America.

(03-25-2016 08:43 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-gl...t-35898543

Quote:Arrest after Glasgow shopkeeper Asad Shah dies in attack

A 32-year-old man has been arrested after a Glasgow shopkeeper was killed in what Police Scotland are treating as a "religiously prejudiced" attack.

Asad Shah, 40, was found seriously injured in Minard Road, Shawlands, at about 21:05 GMT on Thursday. He died in hospital.

The incident happened hours after he apparently posted social media messages wishing his customers a happy Easter.

Police said both Mr Shah and the arrested man were Muslims.

A post on Thursday from an account that appears to be Mr Shah's said: "Good Friday and very happy Easter, especially to my beloved Christian nation x!"

Mr Shah was taken to the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival.

Floral tributes have been placed at the scene and people have been taking part in a silent vigil there in memory of the shopkeeper.

etc etc

I'm just sick of these people.

Amazing how different those Leftie rags report the crime...

Imagine if a European had done it, the Left and other muslims would be up in flames....Now ? dead silence. If anything, this was a christianophobic attack!

(03-26-2016 04:22 AM)Parzival Wrote:  So whats your idea for a solution? Take every single Muslim and deport them? ...

The only feasible solutions are all ugly because we have allowed the problem to get so horribly massive. Like some guy who never went to get a lump checked out at his doctor despite it getting larger and larger.

Now that man complains that chemo and highly invasive surgery all seem a bit harsh.

Look at the lengths the Crusaders had to go to in order to drive back the muslims that raped and pillaged their way into Europe.

As I've stated before, those faithful to islam over their nation almost invariably live in the islamic ghettos of Europe. Clean those out and deport everyone who lives there.

The muslims that live outside of those areas are more than likely integrated and should cause little to no problems in future. If you want to show mercy then they are the only ones that deserve it.

Well, from our own resident muslim Mikado, has made it clear that if anyone wants to deport him he will turn violent.

These people won't leave on their own accord - unfortunately.

I support buying them out to begin with. Kicking out all who don't have citizenship. Kicking out all who dual citizenship. These can be enacted within existing laws.

(03-26-2016 06:11 AM)Requiem Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 04:22 AM)Parzival Wrote:  So whats your idea for a solution? Take every single Muslim and deport them?

They don't belong here. Deport everyone that's been here for less than 5 years immediately. The rest will be closely monitored. If they commit a crime, they'll get kicked out as well. If they rely on welfare for more than a year - bye. All Mosques will be teared down, they can pray in private and read and believe whatever they want, but EVROPA STAYS CHRISTIAN. No separate Muslim schools. No special food in school cafeterias. EVERYONE participates in normal school activities. That includes girls doing sports - including swimming without a head scarf. If they want to be here, they live like us. We won't bend to them even one inch anymore. They can believe whatever they want, but they won't receive any special treatment. When they fast, they can fast, but their school tests will be at the same time as every other classmate's. Their workshifts will be like every other worker's. No muslim holidays. They go to school when it's school and they have holidays when it's holidays. In hospitals, everyone will be treated like everyone else. No muslim men denying female docotors, no muslim women denying male doctors to look at them. They can't bear it? Fine - go die in the street or go back to where the local customs fit your way of life. If they talk shit to locals entering No-Go-Zones, the police force is allowed to be brutal in that part of the city. Every little bit of a hassle will be met with the full force of the police. That includes beating those fuckers up out in the open and destroying shops that have been linked to drug dealing or related activities. How do you know which one's to go after? Send specially trained and equipped white social workers in there with hidden cameras. They will soon learn not to fuck with locals anymore. Talk shit - get hit. And then deported, as mentioned above.

This will get rid of a lot of the extreme ones very easily. The rest are somewhat bearable to stay, but any further immigration from that part of the world has to be stopped for eternity.

Problem solved.

Parzival... you should listen very carefully to your fellow countryman Requiem here. I assume he is younger than you but he has wisdom beyond his years in this matter (probably some credit for that can go to his exposure to RVF )

Parzival, do a little research into the difficulty involved in "deprogramming" someone who has been indoctrinated into a cult.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/cult7.htm

Quote:Deprogramming is the more drastic of the two approaches because it usually involves an initial kidnapping to get the cult member away from the cult. For this reason, deprogramming is a very expensive service. It can cost in the tens of thousands of dollars. After the forced removal, deprogramming mostly involves hours and hours of intense "debriefing," during which a team of deprogrammers hold the cult member against his will and use ethical psychological techniques to try to counter the unethical psychological techniques used by the cult. The goal is to get the cult member to think for himself and re-evaluate his situation.

Read the paragraph above and contemplate the impossibility of what you are proposing with your "let's just integrate them with our own indoctrination" plan. The above details involve a plan for deprogramming a person who was indoctrinated into a cult in adulthood or young adulthood. The migrants we are discussing here have been indoctrinated into Islam SINCE BIRTH. They have to go back. Like Trump says. They have to back. Either you have a country or you don't. Wake up and smell the Islam my friend.

(03-26-2016 09:18 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Well, from our own resident muslim Mikado, has made it clear that if anyone wants to deport him he will turn violent.

So you are recommend submitting to intimidation? Do you know what the literal translation of the word "Islam" is? It's "submission". You're playing right into the master plan. We are not saying deport all Muslims. Here is where you are falling for persuasion tricks. We are saying deport all recent migrants because they are virtually all Muslim. There is an important and key difference here. And Islam is not a race by the way. Can't repeat that often enough.

Let's say only 1% of european males of fighting age magically grew nuts overnight and adopted the philosophy of a fictional character how long would the muslim issues last after that?





I dislike the actions of madmen like Breivik a lot because they are unfocused and sloppy but I do feel that europeans must be willing to sacrifice and there must be people willing to step up to ultimately win.

That's what's missing in the culture of european nations these days.

(03-26-2016 09:31 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 09:18 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Well, from our own resident muslim Mikado, has made it clear that if anyone wants to deport him he will turn violent.

So you are recommend submitting to intimidation? Do you know what the literal translation of the word "Islam" is? It's "submission". You're playing right into the master plan. We are not saying deport all Muslims. Here is where you are falling for persuasion tricks. We are saying deport all recent migrants because they are virtually all Muslim. There is an important and key difference here. And Islam is not a race by the way. Can't repeat that often enough.

No, I am saying people need to realize these people are violent and THEY have already decided a long time ago there's war coming and they will fight it. The sooner we realize this the better.

You got me wrong here.

I see these attempts at reframing into 'recent immigrants' is just another failed policy until you and I and our friends and family can say without stutter that France, Denmark, Britain belongs to the original white European people of those countries. Until then, all is just futile window dressing.

I see a future for middle eastern, african and other immigrants in Europe, but it will only be as immigrants who recognize and are thankful for being guests in the lands of white European.

Blood and Soil, needs once again to take it's natural and normal place in conversation. This was common belief and knowledge for thousands of years. Until majority agrees that blood and land belongs together, then this discussion is theoretical.

(03-26-2016 09:39 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  ...That's what's missing in the culture of european nations these days.

Still too early. Everyone still has too much to lose. The ass is still dropping out of the economic markers that prop up the middle class.

When a few million more natives are left destitute while we're still importing economic migrants then you'll start to see some serious anger hitting the streets.

(03-26-2016 10:00 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 09:39 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  ...That's what's missing in the culture of european nations these days.

Still too early. Everyone still has too much to lose. The ass is still dropping out of the economic markers that prop up the middle class.

When a few million more natives are left destitute while we're still importing economic migrants then you'll start to see some serious anger hitting the streets.

Wait and wait and wait forever.. and the demographics flip and then the streets change, the politics and government controls all dissent, and then europeans are driven out of their own homelands..

Good luck.

(03-26-2016 04:22 AM)Parzival Wrote:  So whats your idea for a solution? Take every single Muslim and deport them?
I struggle with the idea to punish people when there is no sign of treachery but they belong to a group that commit a lot of treachery. I think its possible to filter. Israel also don't kick out all Arabs, you have Israel Arabs as well. The problem is worshipping of Islam and the death cult. We need to put our values, our culture into the minds like an indoctrination. Like Islam do, like the Nazis did, like the communist did. Everyone who is against it repent or will face the consequences. But before that, when you just live your life, I don't see the point to harm those people.

Yes.

It's also been done before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos

Otherwise, possibly a demographic maximum quota. It would be points based, you'd have to be able to justify on contributory and reputation grounds why the net balance of your presence isn't negative. Possibly also lenience for sects of Islam which take the religion less seriously.

Israel will only continue to exist as Israel so long as Jews maintain a majority. No doubt this is why they have walls. The same will apply to Europe. Europe is defined by the predominance of Europeans, there is nothing special about the soil itself that makes someone European.

What you are saying to do instead is convert them. That is what replacing your belief system with ours is. Think of it in the opposite direction: you and your countrymen being converted by force to become Muslim, to submit to that ideology. That would precipitate full-scale fight or flight.

There is simply no other way this goes down. Either the Muslims take the land (the current trajectory we're on), or Europeans do (a right-wing restoration followed by inevitable conflict). There will be no egalitarianism in a muslim Europe, so any egalitarianism Europe does now will be short lived anyway.

(03-26-2016 10:02 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Wait and wait and wait forever.. and the demographics flip and then the streets change, the politics and government controls all dissent, and then europeans are driven out of their own homelands..

Good luck.

You skipped right over the part in between. Would you say the governments have more or less of a handle on the discontent than they did a year or five ago?
Demographics don't flip in the time it takes you to make a grilled cheese sandwich.
You may be impatient but you have little choice but to wait unless you want to make a martyr of yourself.
There are plenty of movements growing, and despite the high profile arrests of a few vocal dissidents the enti-EU/anti-tyranny numbers are getting larger and louder by the day.

Portuguese University teacher with an absolutely BOMBASTIC commentary on the national TV channel, main points:

If European states do not start actively repressing Islamic movements, drastic measures may be done by the population, he reminds us of Europe's barbaric past and how when reaching a boiling point this may well lead to a decimation of Muslims. Among these measures are their expulsion and repressive measures over the backdoor Mosques, along with stern action against the top islamic states which promote this ideology. He said the people are getting fed up with the same old generic speeches that occur after each attack and that a boiling point may be rapidly approaching. In short he has been saying some of the things that we in the forum have said. But RIGHT in national TV, some massive cojones for saying that, and an academic nonetheless !

(03-26-2016 09:52 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 09:31 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 09:18 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Well, from our own resident muslim Mikado, has made it clear that if anyone wants to deport him he will turn violent.

So you are recommend submitting to intimidation? Do you know what the literal translation of the word "Islam" is? It's "submission". You're playing right into the master plan. We are not saying deport all Muslims. Here is where you are falling for persuasion tricks. We are saying deport all recent migrants because they are virtually all Muslim. There is an important and key difference here. And Islam is not a race by the way. Can't repeat that often enough.

No, I am saying people need to realize these people are violent and THEY have already decided a long time ago there's war coming and they will fight it. The sooner we realize this the better.

You got me wrong here.

I see these attempts at reframing into 'recent immigrants' is just another failed policy until you and I and our friends and family can say without stutter that France, Denmark, Britain belongs to the original white European people of those countries. Until then, all is just futile window dressing.

I see a future for middle eastern, african and other immigrants in Europe, but it will only be as immigrants who recognize and are thankful for being guests in the lands of white European.

Blood and Soil, needs once again to take it's natural and normal place in conversation. This was common belief and knowledge for thousands of years. Until majority agrees that blood and land belongs together, then this discussion is theoretical.

Oh OK, I did misunderstand you then. My apologies. Text messages are a highly flawed medium of communication. That said, I don't think the idea of deporting "recent" migrants is reframing. I think this is the "common ground" that will be occupied in the clash between the nationalists like you and I, and the bleeding heart migrant-lovers, who are primarily women who hold the power to vote and protest, and are exercising that power. Women have the vote now. That is unfortunate, but we have to deal with it. A deal will have to be struck with them and deporting "recent" migrants is the best you will get out of them and it is an achievable deal given current events. If you start saying "white European" and "blood and soil" in a negotiation, Soros will just send out his nude, painted-up Femen whores to get hit with water cannons by riot cops and the whole process will get derailed. Common ground must be sought. Art of the deal.

I just said, deport someone because he is a Muslim is not the way I would chose. Deport someone because he take social welfare with no intention to get a job in mix with no intention to integrate. Cut social welfare. Public show of Islamic religion? Punishment. Violent or cultural strange behaviour - punishment. Check who is coming to Europe, filter hard. Also use a quota to avoid that immigrants take over. Build up camps when there is no deportation possible.
I also did not mean to Deprogramming the people. I mean to bring back a positive nationalism and positive values. We lack some positive symbols for identification in Germany. Look how they bent over for the Muslim Overlords in their ideology of wrong tolerance. This is mental sickness. People need orientation, something positive to look up to.

I disagree to kick in doors from Muslims with no proof of their misbehaviour. First of all we need to set up new positive nationalist values. If you don't follow them you are a cultural offender, not direct a criminal. Cultural offenders have to face deportation or send to camps with walls where they can live lawless. We can track down the last 5 years and check what they are doing now. Then we can deal with them. Also we need direct punishment of offenders. The way we deal now with them don't work.
I want to avoid arbitrariness. I want to have laws and rules that are legal. Then its everyone choice to follow them or not. Because when you have no law, you have chaos. And chaos is bad because when people don't know whats going on, live in terror, then there is no development.

When I see the Muslims in their districts, when they hang out in a pack, speak their own language, go to their places. Its disturbing. But on the other side, I never feel like this when I see some Chinese.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...enzen.html

Quote:If the Dublin rules would have been fully complied with, only 1699 immigrants in Germany have applied for asylum last year. The remaining approximately one million newcomers were already in a safe third country before coming to Germany. "The Federal Police presented in 2015 a total of 1699 asylum seekers found not entered via a safe third country or safe country of origin to Germany. The arrivals were mainly from the airports and only a very small proportion of the ports", had the federal police of " world "reported in February on request.

Just imagine we had law and order, then only 1699 people would have arrived in Germany.

(03-26-2016 11:58 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  



Portuguese University teacher with an absolutely BOMBASTIC commentary on the national TV channel, main points:

If European states do not start actively repressing Islamic movements, drastic measures may be done by the population, he reminds us of Europe's barbaric past and how when reaching a boiling point this may well lead to a decimation of Muslims. Among these measures are their expulsion and repressive measures over the backdoor Mosques, along with stern action against the top islamic states which promote this ideology. He said the people are getting fed up with the same old generic speeches that occur after each attack and that a boiling point may be rapidly approaching. In short he has been saying some of the things that we in the forum have said. But RIGHT in national TV, some massive cojones for saying that, and an academic nonetheless !

The boiling point should have happened already, the Paris attacks should have been that. It wont happen, nobody actually wants to fight, we would rather debate it on tv shows, social media and forums such as this.

European men are weak, specifically the youth because they have been brought up to be basically women. You cant lead these people into war they are too interested in their high end video gaming systems and netflix marathons while eating dominos pizza.

If you chose to fight you also have to come to conclusion that you might lose your job, that is something i always have to think about when so much as voicing my opinion in public and social media (of which im not very active on anyway, dont even have a facebook account).

The system stops us from rebelling, believe me I wanted nothing more in the UK for something to go down that I could be a part of, most it can muster up is the occasional EDL protest which now without Tommy Robinson is a shadow of its former self.

(03-26-2016 12:40 PM)NewMeta Wrote:  The boiling point should have happened already, the Paris attacks should have been that. It wont happen, nobody actually wants to fight, we would rather debate it on tv shows, social media and forums such as this.

European men are weak, specifically the youth because they have been brought up to be basically women. You cant lead these people into war they are too interested in their high end video gaming systems and netflix marathons while eating dominos pizza.

If you chose to fight you also have to come to conclusion that you might lose your job, that is something i always have to think about when so much as voicing my opinion in public and social media (of which im not very active on anyway, dont even have a facebook account).

The system stops us from rebelling, believe me I wanted nothing more in the UK for something to go down that I could be a part of, most it can muster up is the occasional EDL protest which now without Tommy Robinson is a shadow of its former self.

The boiling point will happen when there is actual suffering.

Because there is little sense of actual community, european men do not suffer when their community is destroyed. They are merely inconvenienced. They will not suffer so long as escapism is available.

Mark Steyn:

(03-26-2016 01:07 PM)storm Wrote:  Because there is little sense of actual community, european men do not suffer when their community is destroyed. They are merely inconvenienced. They will not suffer so long as escapism is available.

I'd disagree that European men don't suffer when community is destroyed. Its just that not enough has been destroyed for long enough yet. Those who lived in destroyed communities, without being able to escape, suffer greatly. It's just that the middle and upper classes still live isolated by their wealth in relatively functional communities. They have no empathy for their lower class brethren; which is one of the primary dysfunctions of Europeans. It's a symptom of our social signalling instinct that leads us to disdain our poor and even side against them with other groups. These are the suffering group. When the middle class communities are destroyed, you will see something bigger.

People without proper social education will not care for other people's suffering as long as they themselves are off well-enough.
The standard of living right now is still too high for most Europeans to care. The personal value they receive from virtue-signally and a feeling of moral superiority is still higher than the risk they're taking for advocating a situation that might get them killed. If the attacks start getting more frequent or if the standard of living decreases enough, then things will change. If life gets harder, everybody needs to rely more on support from others, so that'll be the time when they choose who to side with.

There once was a time in Germany when cohesion and solidarity was strongly advocated by the state and the whole people felt as one. These times are over. Time will tell if they ever come back. The likelihood is minimal though.

hydrogonian,

If the lower classes have it so bad, why don't they just rise up? So far the immigration riots are dwarfed by those of the football hooligans. Your lower classmen are more interested in football (escapism) than their community. Sad!

When they can no longer escape from the truth, then things will improve. Realistically speaking, that is very far away. Look to history for the conditions needed (recall above the expulsion in 1609):

Quote:By 1607 the government had a debt of almost 23 million ducats and had assigned away all its revenue for four years ahead.

https://faculty.history.wisc.edu/sommerv...351-06.htm

During the French revolution men were dying en masse, starving in Paris from lack of cake.

The Bolsheviks entered during the disastrous WWI.

Everywhere you see a break of the status quo, it is much worse than some rapes.

Things will need to get much worse for the lower classes before they rise up.

And while we're at it...lower class revolutions have a disastrous track record of suceeding. Many would die. Demographic changes have been done in a top down way for much of history. The Soviets ethnically cleansed Lvov of Poles and Königsberg of Prussians. It is happening again now with different names and if there is violence we should not assume the nationalists will win.

^Yes Requiem, I think Black Pigeon talks about that in one of his videos. Basically this "caring about others" outside of our tribe is an evolutionary trait we have acquired due to material prosperity. Just goes to show that not all evolution is positive.