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(03-26-2016 08:39 AM)thecrazy Wrote:  Being italian that lived in the uk for more than 3 years i can certainly say that almost everything about that country is a comedy to my eyes.

As much as I agree, this coming from an Italian is even more hilarious.
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(03-26-2016 06:03 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  
(03-26-2016 08:39 AM)thecrazy Wrote:  Being italian that lived in the uk for more than 3 years i can certainly say that almost everything about that country is a comedy to my eyes.

As much as I agree, this coming from an Italian is even more hilarious.

why?
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Idiocy like this is what happens when moral instinct meets up with a false premise.

Moral instinct: mature, famous, sexy men will easily be able to bed young women whom they ought to be leaving alone (corollary: sexy, young women will be able to seduce old fools who should have known better).

False premise: casual sex is natural and healthy and consequence free.

If the latter were true, than anything short of forcible rape would be no worse than having somebody yell at you in traffic, up to and including the early sexualisation of children a la Brave New World (or, if you don't want a fictional example, the prepubescent push of transsexualism; there's an actual webcomic out there about a 'transsexual' twelve year old who discusses 'her' crushes in an adult voice).

The reality is that sex is psychologically intense, and the consequences are massive. Famous footballers enticing young fans provokes envy amongst society's Betas, but it's not baseless. This girl is well on the path to becoming an alpha widow; 20/80 rule, all that, I don't need to preach to the choir here - the result is a destabilization of the basis of our civilization, that if a man works then he gets to have a wife. When looked at it from this perspective, you can see why Rotherham didn't provoke the same levels of outrage; no envious Beta males, no direct threat to the moral establishment - plus general cowardice in confronting the 'Asian' problem.

For civilization to operate, women need to 1) be having children, and 2) with a man who's willing to support them. Not slutting it up like a cat in heat with whatever sexy badboy wanders into their lives.

But nobody wants to admit that this is the way things are. Everybody wants to maintain the delusion that casual sex is fun and consequence free because doing otherwise would mean an in-depth self examination and an admission of culpability in the decline; the Betas promote casual sex too, as part of their sneaky-male r-strategy, they are not virtuous men seeking out wives. But instead of addressing the problems in society and in themselves, they'll target one of the Alphas for a two minute hate because cannibalism is how we've always dealt with our sinful nature.

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(03-26-2016 01:31 PM)La Palta Divina Wrote:  Lots of folks here don't get it.
People can be stupid.
They are all the time.
Laws are not stupid.
They can not be.
Laws are what they are are.
Laws.
What kills people ? Guns or people shooting guns ?
Whining about laws being this or that won't change shit, and certainly not laws themselves.
Unless you're a member of your country's parliament, what you say or how you feel about laws doesn't matter.

"The system is biased against masculine heterosexual men."
"We're discriminated against. "
"We receive harsher sentences for lesser crimes "

Big news.

Aren't we all aware of it already?
Isn't it why we're all here ?
We've acknowledged the situation – pussy pass, witch hunt and all that.
It is pointless, and childish even, to keep complaining about it.

Who here still complains about the fact that fire burns ?

Does anyone want to say something about life being so unfair against us, masculine heterosexual men ?
Or maybe about its being unfair in general ?
Again, why are we here, using handles and avatars ?
There are people out there who live to hunt us down.

The problem isn't laws.
The problem isn't either that that Johnson guy is a young, rich and famous white heterosexual English man.
As long as any of us stays clear of the red line (i.e. doesn't do anything illegal), he can not be touched.

Men need to realize that, stop complaining and fucking get smart.

That is the problem – and the solution.

That last post was particularly low energy.
Such a sociocultural disaster can only happen if you let it happen.
Have we given up yet ?

LaPD

I am increasingly leaning towards this view of things, not necessarily because it's 100% correct (i.e. men should where it matters most to them fight for what they believe in), but because it simply gets me nowhere on a day to day basis.

When I first discovered the media lies and everything else that goes with them, I read a heck of a lot of "PP horror stories". I was initially surprised, astounded, shocked, disappointed, enraged. Where is this concept of "justice" and "fairness" and "equality" we were all fed growing up? Where my country gone?

Then, at a certain point, I started to be able to predict (not exactly, but roughly) what happened in each horror story just by reading the title, or the initial premise. My surprise, disappointment and rage evolved into a sad albeit necessary acceptance. If I continued to expend all my emotional energy in raging at my computer screen at stories from the US and UK of men being locked up for 5 years vs women being let free with a small fine and a slap on the wrist for the exact same crime, then I would end up ruining my life. I would slowly become a toxic, poisoned, eternally bitter, sorry excuse for existence as Gollum. I would not get anything productive done. I would make no progress in my life.

In the UK, I roughly recall on the news a while ago one member of parliament suggested that there should be a "men's rights minister" just as there is a "women's rights minister", in the light of the disproportionately high suicide, homelessness rates (etc.) among men, and in response to this suggestion grown members of parliament merely laughed.

There is less than no political will to strip women of their additional legal protections compared to men. It is a fact that we do not have equality, we have state-sponsored oppression of men and bountiful aid for anyone with a vagina.

Perhaps over time this will change. Key moments may define the course of events in history. Moments such as Roosh's press conference were glorious because the media, so trusted in the anglosphere, was exposed for what it really is, a propaganda machine lacking in any sort of concepts of true morality, integrity, honesty or even the most basic intellectual rigor. The more cracks that are made in the narrative dispersed by the media, by Anglosphere governments and individual politicians within them, and by mentally ill individuals in the general public, the greater the chance of, perhaps, true justice one day prevailing.

Yet this seems to be quite a way away. I am on this forum because Roosh made those cracks and hopefully others after Roosh retires will keep on fighting. I respect and hold dear many of the principles for which he is fighting. At the moment, despite our ideals and our occasionally being swept away by such, we should retain pragmatism and common sense. An example of this being:

"based on countless horror stories I have read in the past, if I engage in any form of sexual contact with a sexually mature 14 or 15 year old, I know that my punishment would almost certainly be a minimum X to Y years in prison along with permanent presence on the sex offenders' register and end to my career and any sort of ability to forge a life for myself when I do get out, while a woman would likely escape prison entirely. This is unfair for many reasons but this is the current state of the Law and I must accept it. TLDR: If in UK, do not engage in any sexual activity whatsoever with any girl under the age of 16, this includes conversing via text message as this is currently interpreted as "grooming" by the Law. If I violate this Law, my sentence would in fact not be for moral deficiency, rather for absolute stupidity."


This kind of basic logic can be extended to any crime, essentially, because women will always be punished far less severely than men, and for certain (mainly sexual) crimes, punishments are exceptionally draconian. Never trust the Law to reflect true justice, as this naivete might get you locked up for a long time. Note the current climate of your country's legal system and tailor your behavior accordingly.

In short, don't be a dumbass. Johnson was not a pedophile, just a horny man handed status and women and thought he couldn't get touched. When you peel back the layers, Johnson was not jailed for being a pedophile: He was jailed because he was a straight, white male who also happened to be a dumbass, and because he had fucked women and enjoyed a lifestyle the judge and the members of the jury could only dream of.
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(03-26-2016 04:34 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  I can feel sorry for this guy nor blame "arbitrary" laws.

He googled it, he knew it was illegal, yet he proceeded to break the law.

Maybe he also googled "what if I rape minors", saw that the police don't care (Rotherdam), or that the punishment is very light (the school teacher with the 15yo boy), and figured the risk wasn't that high. He just forgot to factor in that his skin was white and he had a dick.

(03-26-2016 04:34 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Plain and simple.

There are two laws: the natural law (neutral conflict mediation), and statutes (the will of a state). That attitude doesn't meet moral muster in the latter case. If the crime is "hiding a Jew in your attic", the "crime" is wrong, and the "do" is right.
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(03-26-2016 01:31 PM)La Palta Divina Wrote:  Aren't we all aware of it already?
Isn't it why we're all here ?
We've acknowledged the situation – pussy pass, witch hunt and all that.
It is pointless, and childish even, to keep complaining about it.

Who here still complains about the fact that fire burns ?

Does anyone want to say something about life being so unfair against us, masculine heterosexual men ?
Or maybe about its being unfair in general ?
Again, why are we here, using handles and avatars ?
There are people out there who live to hunt us down.

...

That last post was particularly low energy.
Such a sociocultural disaster can only happen if you let it happen.
Have we given up yet ?

No, we just know this isn't the place for that talk. The only thing that arrests leftism is a r---- that restores the traditional patriarchal European constitution, or foreign conquest by other right-wing cultures. And Roosh has mentioned there is to be no r---- talk on here since it would make the forum a target of states and be brought down. No doubt the question is being discussed elsewhere in private channels. If you live in Europe, it is best you find those channels.
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Chicks dig criminals.

Adam Johnson Receiving Sexy Photos From Female Fans Whilst in Prison.

http://www.90min.com/posts/3073205-adam-..._aid=35507

First pictures of Adam Johnson after completing his Transfer to HMP Durham from Sunderland on a 6 year deal.


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This is not a discussion about this guy's actions. He fucked up and should be punished for it.

If you're going to be an asshole and cheat on your pregnant girlfriend, when you're rich and famous, be smart and pick a hot slut that knows what's up. With so much status why pick an immature and underage girl and ruin not only your life but that of your girlfriend and unborn child?

This is about an corrupt and unjust criminal justice system:

If you want to sentence guys to six years of prison for this, be consistent when others do it. Like other people said, school teachers that actually have sex with young boys get off with a slap on the wrist. Muslim child rape gangs are shielded by government agencies. Some muslim immigrant cunt was not sentenced to prison for violently raping a young girl because of 'cultural differences' and this guy can rot away for some foreplay.

That's the story here.
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(03-29-2016 11:24 AM)sixsix Wrote:  This is not a discussion about this guy's actions. He fucked up and should be punished for it.

If you're going to be an asshole and cheat on your pregnant girlfriend, when you're rich and famous, be smart and pick a hot slut that knows what's up. With so much status why pick an immature and underage girl and ruin not only your life but that of your girlfriend and unborn child?

This is about an corrupt and unjust criminal justice system:

If you want to sentence guys to six years of prison for this, be consistent when others do it. Like other people said, school teachers that actually have sex with young boys get off with a slap on the wrist. Muslim child rape gangs are shielded by government agencies. Some muslim immigrant cunt was not sentenced to prison for violently raping a young girl because of 'cultural differences' and this guy can rot away for some foreplay.

That's the story here.

She knows what's up, alright; blackmail is what's up.

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(03-26-2016 04:02 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  
(03-26-2016 01:31 PM)La Palta Divina Wrote:  Lots of folks here don't get it.
People can be stupid.
They are all the time.
Laws are not stupid.
They can not be.
Laws are what they are are.
Laws.

...

The problem isn't laws.
The problem isn't either that that Johnson guy is a young, rich and famous white heterosexual English man.
As long as any of us stays clear of the red line (i.e. doesn't do anything illegal), he can not be touched.

Men need to realize that, stop complaining and fucking get smart.

That is the problem – and the solution.

Such a sociocultural disaster can only happen if you let it happen.
Have we given up yet ?

LaPD

LaPD, I think you fundamentally misunderstand the discussion taking place around you. First you say that we must blindly accept unjust laws, then end with the notion that an unjust situation can only arise if we allow it. Which is it?

You go on to gaslight those attempting to have a discussion on the legal system in the west by saying it's just empty whining and complaining. What you said about following the law is already obvious to everyone. It adds zero value or insight to the discussion. No one here was suggesting that it's alright to break the law because it's unfair. On the contrary, everyone has been pointing out how stupid the man's actions were.

If anyone here is whining and complaining, it is you. If you don't wish to join in the discussion or you don't like it, no one is forcing you to stay here.

Getting back to the discussion, here is what it boils down to.

A law is a restriction on your freedom.

The ability to enforce a law and the severity of punishment for breaking a law varies considerably. We may not be able to control the laws, but we can control our actions based on the legal system surrounding us. Someone who understands the body of laws they're subject to can better understand the consequences of their actions and make decisions that greatly affect their lives as a result of them.

Discussing the injustice of the family law system is not complaining if it helps one man avoid the destruction of their by divorce and theft. Discussing the negative qualities of most Western women can be good if it helps one man set off for destinations where women are refreshingly warm and feminine.

From the time we are children, we are indoctrinated with concepts and imagery that is meant to guide our decisions in life. Our perception of risk is often vastly inaccurate, and it can be manipulated. This manipulation can cause men to be deathly afraid of irrational things (travel), and to give them a false sense of security on others (the fulfillment and stability of modern marriage). It can take men years, maybe decades, to break away from a lifetime of conditioning. Some never will.

In order to have control over our lives, we must understand the world around us and how we operate within it. A man who fails to understand the significance of his environment will fail to see the forest from the trees, and will navigate poorly in life. To blindly accept every injustice against as normal, as right and just is to accept the fate of a slave. A prisoner should begrudgingly serve his sentence, but he must not let the walls and bars entrap him grow comfortable. It is to accept defeat.

Quote:Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.

There are some things as men we must accept, and some that should stir a man to action. If it weren't for the men here reminding me of the shackles of the modern western environment and the death of our masculinity, I would have lived a much duller life, suffering in silent desperation like the rest of the masses.

I would have never gotten on that plane to explore a better world or gain a true appreciation of my own nature as a man. I would have never experienced the rush of wild sex with exotic beauties or the fulfilling warmth of a feminine woman. I would have never seen a surreal sunset on a remote island in the south Pacific, explored hidden lagoons, or sought adventure at every opportunity. I would have never pushed myself to learn and interact with other cultures, or experience the deep intellectual satisfaction of geopolitical discussion with men from all over the world. That is a gift I would never forsake.

Thoughtgypsy, in spite of the travels you boast about, you fundamentally misunderstand the way the world around you operates.

Quote:We may not be able to control the laws

That's absolutely wrong. Laws are created by people. You're a person. You can create (and abrogate) laws. It's called politics and unless you live under a totalitarian regime (or try to find excuses for yourself), you (and anyone with heavy enough cojones, really) can play your part too. Complaining about laws is stupid when you can actually change them (I'm not saying it's going to be easy, if it had to be said).

Quote: A prisoner should begrudgingly serve his sentence, but he must not let the walls and bars entrap him grow comfortable. It is to accept defeat.
You refer to yourself as a prisoner. That is to embrace defeat. I'm a free man and would never refer to myself as a prisoner. That's essentially your wrong, and weak, mindset that leads you to formulate doomsday prophecies. You can not win if you're not convinced that you're going to win.

There'd be lots more to say about your post (inaccurate assertions, off topic and/or invalid points), but that's what it boils down to.

Quote: I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.

Someone who refers to himself as a prisoner and imagines that he can't control laws obviously doesn't understand what these lines mean.

That signature of yours : what are you going to do about what you point out ?

Also, editing out that guns n' laws analogy was slightly dishonest. But you know what you did and why you did it.


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(03-27-2016 09:37 AM)ChickenLover9T9 Wrote:  
(03-26-2016 01:31 PM)La Palta Divina Wrote:  Lots of folks here don't get it.
People can be stupid.
They are all the time.
Laws are not stupid.
They can not be.
Laws are what they are are.
Laws.
What kills people ? Guns or people shooting guns ?
Whining about laws being this or that won't change shit, and certainly not laws themselves.
Unless you're a member of your country's parliament, what you say or how you feel about laws doesn't matter.

"The system is biased against masculine heterosexual men."
"We're discriminated against. "
"We receive harsher sentences for lesser crimes "

Big news.

Aren't we all aware of it already?
Isn't it why we're all here ?
We've acknowledged the situation – pussy pass, witch hunt and all that.
It is pointless, and childish even, to keep complaining about it.

Who here still complains about the fact that fire burns ?

Does anyone want to say something about life being so unfair against us, masculine heterosexual men ?
Or maybe about its being unfair in general ?
Again, why are we here, using handles and avatars ?
There are people out there who live to hunt us down.

The problem isn't laws.
The problem isn't either that that Johnson guy is a young, rich and famous white heterosexual English man.
As long as any of us stays clear of the red line (i.e. doesn't do anything illegal), he can not be touched.

Men need to realize that, stop complaining and fucking get smart.

That is the problem – and the solution.

That last post was particularly low energy.
Such a sociocultural disaster can only happen if you let it happen.
Have we given up yet ?

LaPD

I am increasingly leaning towards this view of things, not necessarily because it's 100% correct (i.e. men should where it matters most to them fight for what they believe in), but because it simply gets me nowhere on a day to day basis.

When I first discovered the media lies and everything else that goes with them, I read a heck of a lot of "PP horror stories". I was initially surprised, astounded, shocked, disappointed, enraged. Where is this concept of "justice" and "fairness" and "equality" we were all fed growing up? Where my country gone?

Then, at a certain point, I started to be able to predict (not exactly, but roughly) what happened in each horror story just by reading the title, or the initial premise. My surprise, disappointment and rage evolved into a sad albeit necessary acceptance. If I continued to expend all my emotional energy in raging at my computer screen at stories from the US and UK of men being locked up for 5 years vs women being let free with a small fine and a slap on the wrist for the exact same crime, then I would end up ruining my life. I would slowly become a toxic, poisoned, eternally bitter, sorry excuse for existence as Gollum. I would not get anything productive done. I would make no progress in my life.

In the UK, I roughly recall on the news a while ago one member of parliament suggested that there should be a "men's rights minister" just as there is a "women's rights minister", in the light of the disproportionately high suicide, homelessness rates (etc.) among men, and in response to this suggestion grown members of parliament merely laughed.

There is less than no political will to strip women of their additional legal protections compared to men. It is a fact that we do not have equality, we have state-sponsored oppression of men and bountiful aid for anyone with a vagina.

Perhaps over time this will change. Key moments may define the course of events in history. Moments such as Roosh's press conference were glorious because the media, so trusted in the anglosphere, was exposed for what it really is, a propaganda machine lacking in any sort of concepts of true morality, integrity, honesty or even the most basic intellectual rigor. The more cracks that are made in the narrative dispersed by the media, by Anglosphere governments and individual politicians within them, and by mentally ill individuals in the general public, the greater the chance of, perhaps, true justice one day prevailing.

Yet this seems to be quite a way away. I am on this forum because Roosh made those cracks and hopefully others after Roosh retires will keep on fighting. I respect and hold dear many of the principles for which he is fighting. At the moment, despite our ideals and our occasionally being swept away by such, we should retain pragmatism and common sense. An example of this being:

"based on countless horror stories I have read in the past, if I engage in any form of sexual contact with a sexually mature 14 or 15 year old, I know that my punishment would almost certainly be a minimum X to Y years in prison along with permanent presence on the sex offenders' register and end to my career and any sort of ability to forge a life for myself when I do get out, while a woman would likely escape prison entirely. This is unfair for many reasons but this is the current state of the Law and I must accept it. TLDR: If in UK, do not engage in any sexual activity whatsoever with any girl under the age of 16, this includes conversing via text message as this is currently interpreted as "grooming" by the Law. If I violate this Law, my sentence would in fact not be for moral deficiency, rather for absolute stupidity."


This kind of basic logic can be extended to any crime, essentially, because women will always be punished far less severely than men, and for certain (mainly sexual) crimes, punishments are exceptionally draconian. Never trust the Law to reflect true justice, as this naivete might get you locked up for a long time. Note the current climate of your country's legal system and tailor your behavior accordingly.

In short, don't be a dumbass. Johnson was not a pedophile, just a horny man handed status and women and thought he couldn't get touched. When you peel back the layers, Johnson was not jailed for being a pedophile: He was jailed because he was a straight, white male who also happened to be a dumbass, and because he had fucked women and enjoyed a lifestyle the judge and the members of the jury could only dream of.

My views are 100% right.

The only thing is that you (and everyone of us, including me) will have to make these key moments that define the course of events in history happen ourselves.

Nothing happens unless you let it happen.

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(03-28-2016 09:50 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  
(03-26-2016 01:31 PM)La Palta Divina Wrote:  Aren't we all aware of it already?
Isn't it why we're all here ?
We've acknowledged the situation – pussy pass, witch hunt and all that.
It is pointless, and childish even, to keep complaining about it.

Who here still complains about the fact that fire burns ?

Does anyone want to say something about life being so unfair against us, masculine heterosexual men ?
Or maybe about its being unfair in general ?
Again, why are we here, using handles and avatars ?
There are people out there who live to hunt us down.

...

That last post was particularly low energy.
Such a sociocultural disaster can only happen if you let it happen.
Have we given up yet ?

No, we just know this isn't the place for that talk. The only thing that arrests leftism is a r---- that restores the traditional patriarchal European constitution, or foreign conquest by other right-wing cultures. And Roosh has mentioned there is to be no r---- talk on here since it would make the forum a target of states and be brought down. No doubt the question is being discussed elsewhere in private channels. If you live in Europe, it is best you find those channels.

There's no need for a revolution. A frontal and violent stand against the system would be pointless on two counts (if not more) :
1) they can and will morally (the media) and physically (the police and the army) wipe it out. This isn't 1789 France.
2) There's no point in destroying a system that actually works fine. The problem, again, is not the system (or laws or what not) itself, but the people running it. Taking over is feasible. The only way is to get rid of them and make the system work for us. How do we do that ? Politics (at every level : municipalities, cities, state, congress. Think of free masons. Without the robes. Anyone can do it. For some positions, you don't even need to be elected), and media (independant local reporting has actually a bigger impact than big national news corporations. Think of guerilla warfare. Anyone can do it too. A cell phone and a blog are all that's required.)

Politics and media. That's how we beat them at their own game.



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(03-26-2016 07:51 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  He should have told her "text me when you're 16." End of discussion.

Bingo. You have to follow the law.

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(03-26-2016 08:39 AM)thecrazy Wrote:  Being italian that lived in the uk for more than 3 years i can certainly say that almost everything about that country is a comedy to my eyes.

Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by that post?
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(04-09-2016 01:26 PM)La Palta Divina Wrote:  Thoughtgypsy, in spite of the travels you boast about, you fundamentally misunderstand the way the world around you operates.

Ok, enlighten me.

Quote:That's absolutely wrong. Laws are created by people. You're a person. You can create (and abrogate) laws. It's called politics and unless you live under a totalitarian regime (or try to find excuses for yourself), you (and anyone with heavy enough cojones, really) can play your part too. Complaining about laws is stupid when you can actually change them (I'm not saying it's going to be easy, if it had to be said).

You are a fool if you think democracy is anything more than an illusion to make people believe they hold power. What have republicans accomplished in the last 30 years to roll back the leftist juggernaut?

My uncle is an attorney who has brought many cases before the state supreme court. He considered running for office and met a couple who organized many successful campaigns, and asked them what his strategy should be. They said, choose where you want to run, and we will tell you what your platform will be. He declined, and they said he would never win without that strategy.

Quote:Someone who refers to himself as a prisoner and imagines that he can't control laws obviously doesn't understand what these lines mean.

Someone who still believes they can control laws in spite of such a miserable track record is fucking delusional.

Quote:My views are 100% right.

In my experience, everyone I've met who is irrationally overconfident in their own opinion is often wrong.

Quote:what are you going to do about what you point out?

I live by the serenity prayer:

God, grant me the courage to change the things I can,
The grace to accept the things I cannot change,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

If I'm in a burning house or a sinking ship, I can either convince myself that everything is fine, or accept what is happening around me and leave for greener pastures.
http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2015/04/0...ervatives/

Quote:2) There's no point in destroying a system that actually works fine. The problem, again, is not the system (or laws or what not) itself, but the people running it. Taking over is feasible. The only way is to get rid of them and make the system work for us. How do we do that ? Politics (at every level : municipalities, cities, state, congress. Think of free masons. Without the robes. Anyone can do it. For some positions, you don't even need to be elected), and media (independant local reporting has actually a bigger impact than big national news corporations. Think of guerilla warfare. Anyone can do it too. A cell phone and a blog are all that's required.)

Politics and media. That's how we beat them at their own game.

I agree with this to an extent, but you are putting the cart before the horse. It is media, then politics. Or more accurately: become a multimillionaire, buy a media company, then influence politics through media.

And pray that you don't get Strauss Kahn'ed or JFKed before that. Those who try to create real change and don't play ball with the real movers and shakers have their careers destroyed or get assassinated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_...llegations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spit...on_scandal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassinat...F._Kennedy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassinat...F._Kennedy

I'll leave you with a quote from someone who actually changed society permanently.

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
-Edward Bernays, Propaganda (1928)

What alt right policies have you enacted lately? What laws have you changed? Throw up a data sheet.
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Quote:You are a fool if you think democracy is anything more than an illusion to make people believe they hold power. What have republicans accomplished in the last 30 years to roll back the leftist juggernaut?

My uncle is an attorney who has brought many cases before the state supreme court. He considered running for office and met a couple who organized many successful campaigns, and asked them what his strategy should be. They said, choose where you want to run, and we will tell you what your platform will be. He declined, and they said he would never win without that strategy.

My point has precisely been that: Republicans (or Democrats) and people are not the same. The revolution you and too many people are waiting for will eventually take place when you act upon that (key words here: waiting vs act).

You just don't get it, do you ?

I said regular people, i.e. non-professional politicians, need to understand that while voting is indeed useless, it is actually because it is useless that they have to get involved themselves. They need to make Rep and Dems history. Or like you, they can just say that things can't change because the invisible government is too strong (sounds like stuff Scooby would tell Sammy. Or the other way around). BS. The day normal people wake up, they'll shit their pants. They're only strong because people like you are afraid to face them. They're not some supernatural entity, they're made of flesh and blood. There's nothing to be afraid of. With guys like you, the 13 colonies would still be property of the British Crown.

I generally don't think much of lawyers.
Your uncle, like yourself, has a weak mindset. I'll say it again : no battle is lost, or won, before it is actually fought. You're the fool if you the only example you can come up with is one of a guy who refused to fight before stepping onto the battlefield. There are literally countless historical examples of so-called underdogs getting the upper hand over the assumed stronger side. I'm talking about history and wars, but it happens in sports too... and well, politics. There's at least one quality that all these underdogs have in common : they refused to lose before putting up a fight. If you refuse to take that as a fact, you're more dishonest than I expected. Or just plain ignorant.

Furthermore, what spin doctors said to your uncle sounds obvious to me. Depending on where you start and where you want to finish, you're not going to adopt the same strategy. Why do you think sport coaches/military commanders change tactics depending on the team/army they face ? You need to take into account your own strengths and weaknesses, the opposing team's, your current form, their current form, as well as field conditions, weather conditions, etc. Then you decide on a strategy. And guess what ? Because all of these parameters are not fixed, you might even have to change strategies several times during a single game/battle before you win. Read the Art of War (and if you did, don't tell me you already di so. Read it again.) It's a pity you never played any sports at competition level, you'd realize how everything you say doesn't make sense at all.

You still cling onto the belief that disaster is unavoidable. it allows you to make your loser stance appear as legitimate; and people willing to fight back as delusional. I say that what took 40 years to arise can be brought down in as little time. It's going to take more than a single person, and it's going to take more than a generation. But it can and will happen.


Quote:My views are 100% right.

That 100% right statement was provocation. It's so ridiculously outrageous, I never thought someone would take it seriously. It's still probably quite close to reality. And definitely way closer to it than your current stance.

Quote: the serenity prayer

Hiding behind god and a prayer doesn't make you less of a coward. Do jihadis look righteous for doing the same ?

Dude calls me delusional...


Quote: It is media, then politics.

Nice try but, politics and media was not meant as a chronological sequence. They should be synched if you look at it that way. And you don't need to become a millionaire (see below). Moreover, being the owner of a media company and then getting involved in politics is a move generally poorly accepted by the population. Keeping it to being friends with these owners makes you look less manipulative.

Quote:become a multimillionaire, buy a media company, then influence politics through media.

And pray that you don't get Strauss Kahn'ed or JFKed before that.

So many mistakes and misconceptions in two lines.

You don't influence politics, but people. That's probably what you meant.

You'll need people reporting at a local level too. Not everybody can be president, and not everybody wants to. Almost everyone can and should run for local office and keep a simple, minimal media platform about what happens in their community (owning and managing a blog is not difficult and costs little money). The ones who have the money/time/resources to become mayors, governors, congressmen, should do so. But there's not going to be any political victory without a large base level involvment (notice I said involvment, not support). The everyday man has to take his future in his own hands. Revolutions start from the bottom, not from the top.

The US is a federal country. That means that the POTUS' powers are limited and counterbalanced by state level institutions. Even in a country with a more centralized power structure, you'd need people involved in politics and media at every level to sway decisions and people's votes in your favor. All democratic elections are won thanks to the work of local influencers (local politicians and volunteers mainly) on the field.

DSK and Spitzer were sole responsible for what happened to them. As a politician, and as a man anyway, you should know that your involvement in any sexual activity that includes money, or in one that does not include money but someone other than your wife is likely to eventually surface.
You're essentially saying that what happened to Adam Johnson is none of his fault. Keep blaming the people who lived to make DSK and Spitzer fall for achieving what they lived to do. And while you're at it, keep complaining about the fact that fire burns.
I'll state it again : nothing can happen to you if you don't do anything illegal. Jian Gomeshi is a perfect example. False accusations got disintegrated in court. If you know that you're a potential target (and all non PC, heterosexual men and women are), and you make yourself an actual target, when you get shot at, IT IS YOUR FAULT, AND YOURS ONLY. It's called self responsibility.


You keep believing in a providential man. That's another major issue.
We, the people, are the providential man. That is the revolution. It starts in our heads. When too many people share the same idea, there's no stopping them.You can kill a man, but how do you kill an idea ? (watch Ben Hur again, that's a quote from the movie. The way Ben Hur flips the script is exactly the way people should face life and adversity. If you watched it already, don't tell me you did so. Watch it again.) That's how revolutions happen. New leaders rise as old ones are killed, but the movement goes on. Those assassinations only harden people's resolve. That said, revolutions do not necessarily need to involve violence.


Quote:What alt right policies have you enacted lately? What laws have you changed? Throw up a data sheet.

Glad you finally asked the question. I'm not starting politics before I turn 40 (was born in the 80's). Reasons : I need to set up my own business first (will be up by the 1st trimester of 2017). I also need to have a family first (someone needs to become head of a family – which is a small state of sorts – in order to have an idea about management, taxes, insurances, costs of children, interpersonal relations, crisis resolution, etc). It will allow me to gain credibility in the eyes of society (how could one be in charge of a community if they can't handle their wives and kids properly?). A guy younger than 40 just looks too young, and politics is also about image. People have trouble trusting a younger person with taking decisions that will affect their lives. Any person who calls themselves  "a man" should get involved in politics by their early 40's.

From what you've written, I'd say you just find it too difficult to fight (either you realize it or not), and are trying to find excuses not to become politically active. Because, yes, it's going to hurt, and yes, it will eat up 10 to 20 years of your life, and you're all too aware of it. But I'm cool with it. It's worth it. I've been preparing myself for years, and I'll only get sharper til I hit 40.

The datasheet's been right here in front of your eyes but you refuse to acknowledge it, because it means too much effort and change in your life.

Weak mindset. Loser mindset.

Hades, I'm still waiting for your reply. Your neutral rep indicates that you got triggered. Instead of invalidating my points, you call me names. That's quite a SJW response. A point is not disqualified by an ad homined attack (Pro tip: it's countered with something that involves logic. Don't thank me).

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(04-24-2016 01:32 PM)La Palta Divina Wrote:  Hades, I'm still waiting for your reply. Your neutral rep indicates that you got triggered. Instead of invalidating my points, you call me names. That's quite a SJW response. A point is not disqualified by an ad homined attack (Pro tip: it's countered with something that involves logic. Don't thank me).

LaPD

Your whole schtick is a bunch of gaslighting and silly sophism.
Bring it on buddy. I wrote you a PM.
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Why do you write in such a condescending manner, La Palta?
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Harsh penalties due to only 1 year of age is a fucking joke!!! I believe the laws from 100+ years ago, once people hit puberty and desire the other sex, they should be allowed to do what their body and hormones want. There is no damage what so ever to both parties! Everyone knows teenagers are highly sexually active even tho Western society believe teenagers would not think of sex or having sex until they are 18 years of age. Sextexting is the most highly active in teenagers so I guess we should put all our teens in jail (well the men). I believe this would be stage four Feminism pushing harder laws for male sexuality.

The most sexual active age are teenagers where only in the west they have harsh tough laws (men only) . The rest of the world understand it's natural and only follow the law when pushed by Western countries!

I fucking hate the west with its corporate morals that destroy families and to keep people weak so they can be controlled (fat acceptance, victim mentality, addictive to material goods and greed, empowered women to be broken sluts and bad wives, etc...).

At the end of the day, it's all about male sexuality is bad = jail while women sexuality (being a dirty hoe) is encouraged.

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In another era what he did would have been considered normal. Not that it excuses his misbehaviour.

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(05-31-2016 05:13 AM)Hades Wrote:  
(04-24-2016 01:32 PM)La Palta Divina Wrote:  Hades, I'm still waiting for your reply. Your neutral rep indicates that you got triggered. Instead of invalidating my points, you call me names. That's quite a SJW response. A point is not disqualified by an ad homined attack (Pro tip: it's countered with something that involves logic. Don't thank me).

LaPD

Your whole schtick is a bunch of gaslighting and silly sophism.
Bring it on buddy. I wrote you a PM.

Getting pretty bored waiting on this silly chuckleheaded goofball to provide further evidence proving his writing sucks.

Loafin' LaPD probably hasn't accomplished a single thing in his life. I've seen hustlers and I've seen loafers and Loafin' LaPD is a loafer.

I bet he's half asleep behind that keyboard right now. I can spot from miles off he doesn't know anything because he hasn't done anything. I bet he's 18 and just read Gorilla Mindset once so now he thinks the whole world is his oyster and he can just dump all over this forum.

Well do go on, Loafin' LaPD, do enlighten us with your storied wisdom. Loaf right back in here. It's raining outside and I'm bored.
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(05-31-2016 09:15 AM)muscless Wrote:  Harsh penalties due to only 1 year of age is a fucking joke!!! I believe the laws from 100+ years ago, once people hit puberty and desire the other sex, they should be allowed to do what their body and hormones want. There is no damage what so ever to both parties! Everyone knows teenagers are highly sexually active even tho Western society believe teenagers would not think of sex or having sex until they are 18 years of age. Sextexting is the most highly active in teenagers so I guess we should put all our teens in jail (well the men). I believe this would be stage four Feminism pushing harder laws for male sexuality.

The most sexual active age are teenagers where only in the west they have harsh tough laws (men only) . The rest of the world understand it's natural and only follow the law when pushed by Western countries!

I fucking hate the west with its corporate morals that destroy families and to keep people weak so they can be controlled (fat acceptance, victim mentality, addictive to material goods and greed, empowered women to be broken sluts and bad wives, etc...).

At the end of the day, it's all about male sexuality is bad = jail while women sexuality (being a dirty hoe) is encouraged.

In the near future, you might have to beg Roosh to change that "18" to "21" because 21 is the new 18 according to neo-Victorian feminazis. Just the other day, Feminazis in the State of Louisiana voted to increase the stripping age from 18 to 21.

If anyone does a Google search about "age of consent laws", one will be shocked at the wave of sudden increases for the past decade alone.

However, the feminazis and LGBTQP are only pushing these laws to criminalize men. Teachers like Mary K Letourneau will continue to become wealthy overnight celebrities for grooming and sexing a 13-year-old student, while an 18-year-old male will be called a "PEDOPHILE" just for showing interest in 20-year-old women.

The sad part is that social tradcons will support feminazis with such outrageous laws. There is a huge difference between protecting 14-year-old children from sexual predators like child pornographers versus feminazi bias in criminalizing two 17-year-old, 364 day, 23 hour and 59 mins old teens for sexting as if they were dangerous sex offenders.

Nowadays, an 18-year-old young man is viewed as suspect for walking through a public park during school hours, but the LGBTQP/Feminazi teacher coming to class in revealing clothing for a sexual education class for Grade 3 students is viewed as "empowerment".
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The guy was an idiot. I'm sure he had plenty of legal-aged women to choose from and instead went for jailbait. I feel no sympathy for someone who brings something like this on themselves.
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I think guys should be careful about saying "the law is the law, and therefore I have no sympathy for him." Laws can be wrong. If the SJWs ever succeed in making their definition of "hate speech" illegal, would you just say "well that's the law" when someone gets thrown in jail for knowingly breaking it?

There's no question he made a very bad decision. And I don't know whether setting the age of consent at 16 is right or not. But six years for kissing a girl who was less than a year below that arbitrary limit is crazy.
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