(03-02-2016 01:58 PM)SudoRoot Wrote: @Parzival
I've heard that Bavaria is planning on closing up the border, but since you guys are not actually Independent and get to decide for your own state, Mother Merkel will probably apply enough pressure to prevent that plan.
Referring to men bettering themselves: Young guys, getting in shape nowadays has Little to do with Independent will to better oneself. It's just a trend which has widely spread through Germany. I remeber 3 years ago, when I was a signed Gym Member, almost no guys under 25 could be found there. Now my Little brother, who is 16 is already ambitiously working on his physique, because all his Peers do it.
In my book, being jacked doesn't mean anything anymore. The same Thing Counts for wearing a beard. Since it has become "fashionable", you will see few German guys without a beard, as Long as they can grow a decent one.
(03-02-2016 02:17 PM)Requiem Wrote:(03-02-2016 11:30 AM)Laner Wrote:Quote:The Kremlin and Assad intend, according to Breedlove, to use migration as a weapon to weaken European unity and infrastructure. The general said that European nationalist groups that oppose immigration also weaken the continent, and could themselves threaten violence.
This is so funny.
Now that the sheeple start seeing the consequences of this madness, the elites tell them "it's the ebil Russians and Assad who want all this to happen".
Next will be "Don't let these ebil men win!!! You must take in all deh refugees™ and show them that YOU are STRONGER than THEIR HATE!!! Europeans have to show how progressive™ and tolerant™ they are. TOGETHER we can do it!!! But we must get rid of these European nationalists who totally thwart our plan of humanitarian love™."
Give me a fucking break.
Quote:In an interview, Chancellor Angela Merkel called for patience with efforts to accommodate refugees. Merkel said she was not weighing an alternative to her approach toward reducing the number of asylum applicants.
Speaking on public television on Sunday, Chancellor Angela Merkel said Germany's borders would remain open to refugees. Merkel dismissed a "rigid limit," saying that "there is no point in believing that I can solve the problem through the unilateral closure of borders."
"I have no plan B," Merkel said, adding that she is convinced she is on the right track with efforts to redistribute refugees within Europe and addressing the problems causing mass displacement: "I am fighting for this approach."
Merkel sought to reassure viewers by insisting that her government's strategy is the only "logical" one - and came about after much thought.
The chancellor said she was concerned about disputes over migrants within the EU, and added that a breakdown of the European Union must be avoided.
Stranded migrants protest at the border between Greece and Macedonia
Merkel also said dealing with the migration crisis had been a "difficult path," but that it concerned Germany's reputation in the world: "This is a very important phase in our history," she said.
"There is so much violence and hardship on our doorstep," Merkel said. "What's right for Germany in the long term? There, I think it is to keep Europe together and to show humanity."
Threat to democracy?
The chancellor rejected the suggestion that recent violent protests and open displays of hostility towards refugees could lead to a threat to democracy similar to that experienced under the Weimar Republic. Then, after the loss of the First World War, a three-year period of hyperinflation up to 1924 caused political instability.
"I do not believe that," Merkel said, but noted that it was important to take such warnings seriously. She said that it was her job "to solve problems so that we can stand by our values."
Commenting on what she called the "devastating" attacks on women in Cologne at New Year by men said to be of mostly North African origin, Merkel said: "Rules must be clear from the start" to refugees, adding, "Integration isn't just a voluntary matter."
The interview was the third major television appearance that Merkel has made in the last five months - the first with the same ARD talkshow hosted by Anne Will, the second with ZDF in mid-November.
Merkel's party faces elections on March 13 when voters elect new regional parliaments in three of Germany's 16 states. It is the first poll since the migrant crisis began.
Talking to Turkey and Greece
Merkel said that viable agreements with Turkey needed to be made in order to limit the influx of refugees into Europe.
She added that her focus is on negotiations with Turkey - over providing better care to refugees - due to take place next week, with a summit on migration expected ten days later. The chancellor ruled out any personal consequences for herself in the event that the talks fail, saying only that such a scenario would entail more work on finding a solution.
Migrants gather in a hostel in Berlin
The ARD talk show host, Anne Will, asked Merkel about the growing number of refugees unable to cross into Macedonia at Greece's border with the country.
Merkel responded, "We cannot let this country down." Greece was not kept within the eurozone just to be plunged into "chaos" now, she explained.
"The international financial crisis was a big challenge. We managed that well. The euro crisis was a huge challenge," Merkel commented.
jm/gsw (dpa, AFP, Reuters, ARD)
(03-01-2016 11:11 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote: Assassinating Merkel is utterly useless. Politicians have only limited power and usually do as they are told. When not - then they get assassinated. The lone crazy guy is exceedingly rare even 2 centuries ago and usually they only manage to hit some low-tier politicians.
Quote:Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other US government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.
(03-03-2016 09:58 AM)Mike5055 Wrote: What a shock. It seems like almost none of these people are refugees. They're economic migrants.
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(03-03-2016 10:53 AM)nomadbrah Wrote: I was in a European government office today, where people apply for all kinds of government benefits. 9/10 were immigrants and migrants, being loud and obnoxious, one had a loud 'Allahu Akbar' as his ring tone.
These people are leeches on European welfare states. I waited an hour. Had there been none of these immigrants, there would have been 3(!) people in that hour. These immigrants are shameless and steal the resources of the countries they live in. Pathetic and disgusting behavior and they show nothing but disdain in return.
(03-03-2016 10:04 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:(03-03-2016 09:58 AM)Mike5055 Wrote: What a shock. It seems like almost none of these people are refugees. They're economic migrants.
When I think of economic migrants I think of people who actually want to work and do stuff. These "refugees" who appear to be overwhelmingly young men dressed up in the latest British chav-like pub gear have probably not done an honest day's labor in their entire life.
They just want to loot and pillage.
Back in the old days they would be called invaders and driven out with steel and fire.

(03-03-2016 09:58 AM)Mike5055 Wrote: What a shock. It seems like almost none of these people are refugees. They're economic migrants.
Quote:Austria's rapid reversal in refugee policy
It may well be that no other country in Europe has reversed its refugee policy as rapidly as Austria. Now Vienna sees itself in the vanguard of European refugee policy.
The German Chancellor has faced hefty headwinds for her open border policy for some time new. Until recently, she was able to count on support from neighboring Austria and its Social Democrat Chancellor Werner Faymann (above right with EU Council President Donald Tusk). He got along with Angela Merkel on refugee matters. The two leaders worked closely together, even though they come from different parties. That is now no longer the case.
While Merkel officially has stuck to her line, thereby isolating herself in Europe, Austria has made a drastic about-face within a matter of weeks. In September 2015, Faymann criticized Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orban's policy of deterrence, and now, Austria is following suit.
Austria has imposed a cap on the number refugees it will allow into the country and the authorities will now only accept 80 asylum applications per day. A four kilometer long fence has been erected near the town of Spielfeld at the Slovenian border. When Hungary built a fence along its border with Serbia in the autumn, Faymann fiercely attacked the activities. Now, even the armed forces are deployed at the Austrian border.
Austria made its spectacular political move shortly before a crucial EU summit in mid-February when the country withdrew its efforts to find a common European solution. Vienna then teamed up with a number of eastern EU and Balkan countries to help Macedonia close its border with EU member Greece. Austrians have been angry for a long time about Greece's policy of "waving through" migrants and refugees. Now, Austria's policy has set off a domino effect along the Balkan route and the country has simply accepted the fact that people are now stranded in Greece.
The Austrian policy reversal does not really come as a surprise. Last fall, several Austrian ministers expressed critical views on the country's liberal refugee policy, especially the conservative Interior Minister, Johanna Mikl-Leitner, from the Austrian People's Party (ÖVP), the junior partner in the grand coalition with the Social Democratic Party of Austria (SPÖ).
"We need to build a European fortress as quickly as possible," she said in October, when the term "Fortress Europe" still carried negative connotations.
Her fellow party member, Foreign Minister Sebastian Kurz did not mince words when he spoke to the "Kleine Zeitung," saying, "I want us to clearly tell Europe, especially Germany, 'The invitation policy must come to an end.'"
Public opinion changed the government's mind
At that time, the Social Democrat Faymann still resisted this position and emphasized the common ground with Merkel. Today, he clearly sets himself apart from the chancellor in Berlin. He even went as far as derisively saying that if Merkel did not agree with the closure of the Macedonian border, then she should just pick up the refugees directly from there and take them to Germany. Faymann says, "No, we cannot do it," as an allusion to Merkel's famous and often repeated phrase "We can do it."
Domestically, Faymann has thus adapted to the mood of his compatriots. However, Alev Korun, the human rights spokeswoman of the Austrian Greens, said, "The unholy alliance of the unwilling in the EU will lead to abrupt border closures and the deportation of asylum seekers to Greece." The majority of Austrians, however, think differently. Austria has accepted more refugees per capita than Germany. Right now, pressure is mounting on the coalition government as opinion polls show that the right-wing Freedom Party (FPÖ) under Heinz-Christian Strache is leading at 30 percent and could therefore become the strongest political force in the country. The Cologne New Year's Eve attacks have corroborated skeptics and opponents of the migrants. Faymann's new policy has gained him immediate support from his compatriots. Until recently, the Austrian chancellor was described as a weak leader; now, polls show a clear upward trend.
Since then, Faymann and his ministers no longer need to depict the policy change merely as a necessary evil. They even believe that they are doing Germany a favor, despite criticism from Berlin. Last Monday, Austrian Defense Minister Hans-Peter Doskozil from the SPÖ said that right now, Germany is benefitting "massively from the Austrian border control measures on the Balkan route." When confronted with Germany's grave complaints in mid-February, Faymann told "Kurier," an Austrian newspaper that, "We have taken the steps that Germany will also take. I am convinced that we will soon harmonize again."
Some believe that the harmony has already been restored. In Berlin on Wednesday, Germany's Vice-Chancellor, the Social Democrat Sigmar Gabriel, said, "The frequently called-for change in German policy has since taken place." Merkel has not sent a welcoming gesture to the refugees stuck in Greece and she now advises people to stay in Greece for the time being, yet she would never openly speak of a policy reversal.
Quote:Here's the thing: There are only two ways. Let them pass or stop them.
We have to stop Greece from letting refugees pass through their territory and sending them northwards.
In response to the German foreign minister pointing to the violence being used by the Macedonians to shut the border to Greece as being proof that individual, national solutions don't solve the problem and just cause suffering:
So I wonder how it's going to be in Turkey then. (Germany's preferred solution.) Someone is going to have to stop people with violence, it will only be further away from us, where there are less cameras. In terms of morality or ethics, it makes no difference if refugees are stopped in Turkey instead of Greece or Macedonia. For them it means that they cannot reach Central Europe.
The whole situation at the Macedonian-Greek border is bizarre, with migrants trying to force their way from a EU to a non-EU state. We gotta be honest here, those people are not seeking shelter and protection, but better economic opportunities.
It's ridiculous that everyone who made it to Greece can travel all around Europe.
Greece has no right to criticize us. We took 100,000 people without international aid, they have 25,000 in the country and are already unable to cope with that. Thus there's a strong sentiment amongst the Austrian people that we are unfairly criticized.
The opening of borders in the summer of 2015 and allowing refugees to travel to Central Europe was a grave mistake, which has to be corrected as soon as possible.
Closing the borders will be successful in preventing people from coming, because the migrants don't want to come here to sit in a camp on Lesbos, but to get an apartment in Berlin.
Nobody has the right to choose in which country they apply for asylum.
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(03-03-2016 11:25 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote: Holy shit..... there are starving and homeless people in Greece who can't get a cent from the EU and now also have to watch the EU handing out hundreds of millions of euros in envelopes right next to them!
(03-03-2016 01:43 PM)El_Gostro Wrote:(03-03-2016 11:25 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote: Holy shit..... there are starving and homeless people in Greece who can't get a cent from the EU and now also have to watch the EU handing out hundreds of millions of euros in envelopes right next to them!
If one were to anthropomorphize:
The EU is like a pimp pushing his crack whore Greece around after that bitch dared threaten to leave,now to demonstrate who s the boss,the money she is denied is handed in front of her to disenfranchised hoes

(03-03-2016 02:08 PM)Pestano Wrote: Germany's top economist, Hans Werner Sinn, rebutting statements of "costly border closings", demanding a complete cessation of further aid to invaders and calling out Merkel for violating her oath. Of course, the interviewer accuses him of being "extremist" to which he says that he is merely stating objective numbers and facts. The absurdity of the government and its treasonous actions should be more than obvious when a formerly left wing advisor and candidate for a Nobel Prize comes out against his employers like this, risking his legacy and good name.
http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article152...etzen.html
(03-03-2016 02:40 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote: As you read in the article above, in the suburban districts of Antwerp the non-Muslims were still in the majority and the same still holds true for the rest of Belgium, including the mid-tier cities and of course the villages/countryside. Those are still +90% white.
(03-03-2016 03:09 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:A tiny country in terms of area but a high population density, Belgium has 11 million people. Brussels has a 1,2 million population, Antwerp 500k and Ghent 250k. Charleroi and Liege are around 200k too. Belgians don't like living in big cities so the majority of the population lives in the villages/suburbs outside of the city.(03-03-2016 02:40 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote: As you read in the article above, in the suburban districts of Antwerp the non-Muslims were still in the majority and the same still holds true for the rest of Belgium, including the mid-tier cities and of course the villages/countryside. Those are still +90% white.
Belgium is a tiny country. What fraction of its children are in those big, Islamizing cities? It sounds to me that if the 3 or 4 biggest cities have majority Muslim kids, then the situation for the nation overall is also pretty close to 50% just by virtue of most of the population being concentrated in those big cities.

Quote:If Britain votes to leave the European Union in a June referendum, France will allow migrants to move to Britain by ending border controls and roll out a red carpet for bankers fleeing London, French Economy Minister Emmanuel Macron said.
“The day this relationship unravels, migrants will no longer be in Calais and the financial passport would work less well,” Macron told the Financial Times ahead of an Anglo-French security summit.