(03-01-2016 11:12 AM)Parzival Wrote: (03-01-2016 02:30 AM)All or Nothing Wrote: (03-01-2016 02:11 AM)Parzival Wrote: The PC Mindset is strong in this one...
Parzival, I have two questions since you live in Germany and know what's going on better than I do.
1. Do most German people actually support the eventual ethnic and cultural change that will happen as a result of uncontrolled immigration, or is it just that a vocal minority supports this?
2. Why do so many German people support the uncontrolled immigration going on right now?
Something to add to this:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschlan...79748.html
Quote:At one point, the vast majority of Germans, according to a survey is certain: you do not want unlimited influx of refugees to Germany. According to a survey by Infratest dimap for the NDR broadcast "Panorama - The Reporters". Only eleven percent of people in this country want to therefore continue to host refugees without limit. The rest want rules.
21 percent of respondents want anyone at longer absorb and calls for a general hiring freeze. The largest group of respondents (38 percent) want that no more than 200,000 refugees per year coming into the country. 17 percent are in favor, to take up to 500,000 refugees annually. Only three percent are to receive up to one million refugees.
The issue of integration see many German skepticism. More than half of Germans (52 percent) believe that it can work only if the flow of refugees is limited. 29 percent believe that the integration of refugees will not succeed. And only 15 percent were so optimistic that they believe in the integration, although still so many people come as far.
Many fears among Germans
The concerns of the citizens in the face of the refugee crisis are large according to the survey. They turn to money, to housing, to crime and to the position of Islam in Germany. Most respondents are concerned that the public debt increases (77 percent). Slightly less (72 percent) are concerned that the competition in the housing market will be larger. The increase of crime feared 62 percent.
More than half of respondents (58 percent) is concerned that the cost of housing and care for the refugees could be too high. Almost as many (57 percent) are concerned that the influence of Islam is too strong in Germany. The competition in the labor market see 45 percent of respondents as a problem. Only the question whether the prosperity in Germany was threatened by the admission of refugees, the Germans are allowed - 61 percent say `no.
The continuing influx of refugees still divides the population: 49 percent of Germans do the high numbers of refugees anxiety, but also 49 percent of them do not be afraid. These numbers keep unchanged in October, 2015. Also the feeling towards asylum seekers splits the Germans: 46 percent do not perceive refugees as enrichment, 51 percent.
It always upsets me when I see anecdotal polls like these. Generational and cultural issues of this magnitude should never be decided by demographic consent! It's ridiculous that people are even volunteering answers to these loaded questions. The question the interviewers SHOULD be asking is:
- WHY would ANYONE want to invite hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of mostly illiterate male muslims into our countries in the first place?
- WHY do we need them?
- WHY would we want to lower our collective IQ and competitive advantage in the world?
- WHY would we tolerate the influx of criminals, terrorists, and fanatic Islamists?
- WHY would we accept the financial responsibility to feed, house, clothe, educate, and otherwise take care of masses of people we have nothing in common with and who openly despise us and our culture?
I could go on but you get where this is going. Just think about the financial responsibility here - almost nobody is even asking those questions. How much does the average immigrant receive in Germany in social aid on average? I think the numbers I have seen range around €25,000 per year per 'non-productive immigrant'. Probably add another €5,000 minimum on average for all the damage and other problems they cause (i.e. thefts, rapes, vandalism, etc.). And that doesn't even include the family members he's got waiting in the bullpen.
So if you project forward that'll be about €500k per migrant for the next 20 years or so. Assuming there will be any German tax payers left that are willing to work their asses off to take care of those fuckers.
Next time you see a busload or trainload full of 'cultural enrichers' forget about the social impact for a second and consider the financial liability that just walked into your country. That is half a million Euros PER HEAD that will NOT be available for grandpa or grandma, for YOUR future, for YOUR child. Instead it will be spent on THEM and their muslim children. And yeah, they fucking hate you and they want to fuck your girlfriend/wife/mother/grandmother/dog/cat/goat...
And that's where I see Darwinism play out - right now - right here. Are people really so blind that they don't realize that these people are not an 'enrichment' but a massive 'liability'? A Die Welt article Parzival posted mentioned the German expression 'Mühlstein um den Hals' - but in a different context. It's actually a beautiful phrase which uniquely depicts a liability one has to live with but is unable to ever relinquish.
If I was living in Germany right now I would actively make plans to get the fuck out of there. Why would the other 50% (as Parzival described it) remain in a place that will obligate them to accept a HUGE financial burden that will at the same time impoverish their nation, raise crime rates and domestic unrest by hundreds of percent, and in the end resolve social cohesion in a manner of years? The Germany that anyone remembers from even 10 years ago doesn't exist anymore and it will soon cease to exist. By 2020 Germany will have to come to terms with huge economic and social problems from which it will never recover.
IF you are a German and you're reading this. Heed my advice NOW and don't wait until the proverbial shit hits the fan in your country. So far all my previous predictions have come to play and the next Landtagswahlen will confirm what you most likely suspect already: NOTHING will change and the political landscape may shift a little but in the end will remain intact. Merkel will continue with her policies as she has done in the past year. She will NOT be dethroned and I expect her to complete her term.
Germany will be a majority Muslim country by 2025 plus minus a few years. By that time you will no longer recognize the country you have grown up in. Your industries will fall into disarray as you will face significant shortages of upper IQ (i.e. 120+) STEM educated professionals who are willing and capable to work 8 hours plus per day. Social tensions and political crisis will dominate the headlines for decades to come. Islam will make its mark and the country will quickly be transformed accordingly.
It is naive for people to expect middle Eastern Muslims to magically turn into Germans and to carry forward cultural values that have propelled Germany to the forefront of European productivity and economic success. I don't think the average person on the street has considered the long term financial and social implications of importing hordes of Middle Easterners into their country.
In the end there will be a huge price to pay for Merkel's boundless arrogance, and her sanctimonious misplaced altruism. Many will think back to Merkel's reign with disgust blaming her for having brought about the destruction a modern, safe, and civilized society. Of course that sentiment will be completely misplace for they only have themselves to blame. If truly 50% of Germans are against the re-population of their nation then they should have fiercely fought against it.
But the truth is that Germany we all admire and wish back into existence hasn't existed for about 100 years. What was created after WW2 is a divided shell of its former self and the national spirit has long been broken. Germany never really was a cohesive nation like for instance Spain, Portugal, or France - all of which can boast hundreds of years of shared history. Germany has always been divided and in flux and in the process involved itself in two world wars (both of which it managed to lose).
Although I deeply regret the loss of Germanic culture I don't think there is ANY way that Germany will survive this. They have simply bit off more than they can chew this time and in their boundless arrogance are unable to realize that they are ringing their own death toll.