Has anyone read Camp of the Saints? If so, how close is the book in like-for-like timeframe compared to real life?

With the book being the work of a single man's imagination, is it otherwise very similar?

(02-18-2016 03:09 PM)Parzival Wrote:  So the whole situation is complete insane. Seen a report today how the EU and Germany cut down the money for UN refugee camps in the middle east some years ago. Also that about 4 years ago Syria and Israel where close to get a deal that could bring some peace into that area. But then the US, UK and France start to support the "moderate" Rebels. Whatever a "moderate" rebel is. Also that non of them want to negotiate with Assad, just since Russia enters the Syria conflict they start to talk again. They report was also about that Assad is a legal government and Russia is inside the UN laws to support them.
The guy who did the talk was a former foreign minister of Germany.

I was speaking to a German girl last night, and she told me about how Germany needs to help all of these poor people but other European nations don't want to pitch in.

I told her Germany's plan was very expensive and that they had a lot of work cut out for them. She looked at me with shock, saying "But we can't just abandon these people!" To which I replied, it would probably cost half as much to build cities in Turkey for these refugees because it would save on costs of transporting millions of people thousands of miles. She refused to believe that transportation had any costs, and the conversation lost all momentum.

A huge proportion of German women really are stupid worthless sluts, and I don't mean that in a hateful way. But they are basically enemies of German men and are too dumb for their own good.

(02-18-2016 07:37 PM)Samseau Wrote:  A huge proportion of German Western women really are stupid worthless sluts, and I don't mean that in a hateful way. But they are basically enemies of German Western men and are too dumb for their own good.

Fixed it for you.

More importantly, men belong to the public sphere and women belong to the private sphere. The lack of hierarchy between the sexes in the West has probably been the most damaging effect of egalitarianism.

What I find amusing is that the modern woman fails to grasp that a hierarchy between the sexes has been the norm for almost all cultures and societies throughout history and, despite its setbacks, has mostly worked.

(02-18-2016 08:32 PM)quino_16 Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 07:37 PM)Samseau Wrote:  A huge proportion of German Western women really are stupid worthless sluts, and I don't mean that in a hateful way. But they are basically enemies of German Western men and are too dumb for their own good.

Fixed it for you.

More importantly, men belong to the public sphere and women belong to the private sphere. The lack of hierarchy between the sexes in the West has probably been the most damaging effect of egalitarianism.

What I find amusing is that the modern woman fails to grasp that a hierarchy between the sexes has been the norm for almost all cultures and societies throughout history and, despite its setbacks, has mostly worked.

I think German women in particular may be especially damaged. Think about this hombre: Trump has as many female supporters as he does male.

Think about this: Hitler had as many female supporters as he did male.

Fact is, women rally around strength when they are functioning normally, even if that strength is bad. But German women rally around weakness, they are damaged and abnormal.

I'd say the rank of broken women ranks in this order:

- Sweden
- German
- Denmark
- British
- Canadian
- Australia
- French
- Remaining Nordic countries
- America
- Southern European countries
- Eastern Europe

This list is probably incomplete or inaccurate in certain areas. Feel free to correct me.

America has tons of fucked up girls, but they are mainly located on the coasts. Overall, America isn't as bad as some guys on this forum make it out to be, but we have to put up with the worst of it because most of us make our $$$ in the big blue coastal cities. The women are toxic even if the cities are great and the pussy easy. Fact is if you want a wife in America you need to get away from the cities 80% of the time.

American women are slutty, and the marriage laws suck ass, but they are still attracted to masculine qualities as normal females should be. I would put the normal/abnormal female ratio at 65%/35%. Conversely Sweden is probably 25%/75%.

Such optimism to nearly everything American (of the "right) and such negativity to nearly every thing European.

I won't make an attempt of trying to organize that ranking of yours since I only know Europe extensively, if one undertakes such task you're supposed to have at least some field knowledge and not be based around what is generally said. Because if that was the case American women would rank much higher in your "broken" scale. I do agree that it is much more likely to have broken one in big cities in the coast than everywhere else, but isn't that generally the truth in most places? German women rally around weakness you say, so Bernie is supposed to be "strong"? He has an extensive amount of female, young supporters, as does Trump and they are not alike at all.

It's just easier to admit the Western woman is IN GENERAL broken everywhere, though surely in some places more than others.

I couldn't agree more with Samseau. To be honest, the men are just as bad. I travel and work with a lot of Germans, and I've spoken with some in private on the refugee situation. They are so passive and unable to see the situation before their eyes that it's really surprised me. I definitely look at Germans a lot differently now than before all of this.

Here's an amusing conversation I had with a random German girl I matched with. Who knows if the account is legit, but it does present a sad picture.

   
   
   
   
   
   

^^^

I'm not sure why you continued to logically argue with that girl over text messaging.

However, if you want to convince girls on an issue, use strong rhetoric like Trump.

For example, when she said "we guys are selfish only thinking of us" you should have told her to stop projecting her selfishness to you and other people. Nevertheless, most of your attempts will have a low conversion rate.

@ Samseau

Yeah, I agree that some Western girls are more fucked up than others, in particular Swedish girls. However, generally speaking, I think we can agree that a significant amount of Western women are broken whores who are useful idiots for the cultural marxists, globalists, and SJWs.

In regards to women voting for strength, I agree with you. You imply that women can't discern between good and bad strength, which is why I said women should be restricted to the private sphere, namely childbearing, maintaining the home, etc.

You bring up an interesting point about the difference between the degenerate but rich coastal cities of the United States and the poorer yet less degenerate midwest in the United States. Oswald Spengler mentioned a similar but broader observation along the lines between the city and the country in The Decline of the West.

From wikipedia:

Quote:In the cities he sees only the "mob", not a people, hostile to the traditions that represent Culture (in Spengler's view these traditions are: nobility, church, privileges, dynasties, convention in art, and limits on scientific knowledge). City dwellers possess cold intelligence that confounds peasant wisdom, a new-fashioned naturalism in attitudes towards sex which are a return to primitive instincts, and a dying inner religiousness.

This stupid bitch is the epitome of everything wrong with the West today.

Fuck the stupid liberals. Let them burn. What we need is to find a way to not burn with them. Only seccession and self-determination can save us from those evolutionary unfit morons.

Guys, you're doing it wrong. You should start by pointing out the fact that most of these people are not refugees at all (overwhelmingly not Syrian and often not even Arab), but simple economic migrants from all around the world and places like Pakistan, Bangladesh and Africa.

They'll predictably whine about how "everyone deserves a chance". Then you can destroy them, since it's clear that their focus is on importing and pampering invaders and not helping poor refugees. Their position becomes impossible to defend.

Did you bang at least? WB but would not talk about politics after she said she is pro refugee.

(02-18-2016 11:36 PM)PrtSc Wrote:  Here's an amusing conversation I had with a random German girl I matched with. Who knows if the account is legit, but it does present a sad picture.

I know this sounds fucked up, but the only decent chance you may have had to change this girl's mind would have been if you fucked her really well a few times, then casually dropped some opinions on the matter.

(02-18-2016 07:37 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I was speaking to a German girl last night, and she told me about how Germany needs to help all of these poor people but other European nations don't want to pitch in.

I told her Germany's plan was very expensive and that they had a lot of work cut out for them. She looked at me with shock, saying "But we can't just abandon these people!" To which I replied, it would probably cost half as much to build cities in Turkey for these refugees because it would save on costs of transporting millions of people thousands of miles. She refused to believe that transportation had any costs, and the conversation lost all momentum.

A huge proportion of German women really are stupid worthless sluts, and I don't mean that in a hateful way. But they are basically enemies of German men and are too dumb for their own good.

60 % of the people that arrive are not refugees by law. Imagine 60 % less people and 40 % of real refugees could get better help.
The talk about the long term effects is true, German politics just care about the next election, Merkel rules since 2005 and she had done zero for a long term benefit for Germany. Anyway just because the politics was wrong in the past don't mean it has to go on by let everyone into Germany with no controls. We have to be selective, who is coming to Germany and with what intention. But be selective sound hard, sound like a Nazi word, the Nazis had be selective. Many young people have no spiritual or deeper meaning in their live. The world change so fast, the things seem less stable even if we have the time with the most freedom and the greatest wealth. Still people fell insecure from all the fast change in the world. Nothing seems with value, everything is relative. So the only true feeling is to feel good. And how do you feel good? By help other people. Those people cut out the long term questions about society, the real facts. All they care about is their now good feeling. We have a generation that grow up in a bubble, outside the real world. They can not understand that beside their nice travels, there is a hard world out there where you can not bring peace, justice and happinesses to everyone. The world ain't fair and sometimes you have to make a hard stand to safe something.

Did Germany reduce the money for UN refugee camps? Yes and it was a mistake. Do sell Germany weapons? Sure but this is a weak point because there is no proof for any German weapons that are out there in one of those conflicts. Its not that those conflicts are fight with German weapons - beside the kurds now. Iran and Saudi Arabia are a bigger de stabilisation factor down in the area with the USA. So its not Germany fault. Even more, every country has its own responsibility to take care about their citizens. I agree that the EU and the USA responsible for a lot of fucked up politics, still this is no excuse that Germany itself has to fucked up now. But well when you take a look at Berlin and then compare it to Munich, its a big difference. This girl is from Berlin, a dirty city. Bad organisation, chaos, rats on the streets, criminal gangs run areas, helpless police. Those people are responsible for the politics that comes now to Germany but Berlin is not Germany. They should keep their dirty lifestyle in Berlin. Many people in Berlin have no job, or they work something in the "media". They insane. And now all Germans have to suffer.

And again, 60 % are not refugees, we should us ask why some people can not make a difference. Why do we have to take everyone? On the other side you have Neo Nazis and Ultra Nationalist. It feels like there is no space between in this topic in Germany, at least the few sane voices do not get attention.
I will meet at saturday a nice girl from Ukraine, she shares my values and political views. East European women are so refreshing.

Had a hard time being in Berlin and accepting I wasnt in Brooklyn,and that somehow I was in Germany.

Its funny also how the german leftist singers (I refuse to call them activists as Ive seen them be anything but active) all say how the refugees shoudl be welcomed and helped yet not a single one of them has actually put their foot where their mouth is and volunteered to do social work concerning that holy integration concept.
Hanging out in the juzis making vegan food and complaining about the fascists is a much better way of solving problems

(02-18-2016 10:11 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  German women rally around weakness you say, so Bernie is supposed to be "strong"? He has an extensive amount of female, young supporters, as does Trump and they are not alike at all.

Merely voting left does not mean a woman is broken, although broken women do congregate within the left.

For example, a woman can be leftist, yet still be and feel attracted to a man she disagrees with politically. I've fucked plenty of left-wing girls who hated my politics yet were still drawn to me because of my strong masculine qualities. Much of the time, these leftist women are just young and naive, but otherwise completely normal. As they grow older and wiser they will vote right, once they experience the truth of life.

Comparatively, a broken leftist woman will actively be repulsed by any display of a man who differs from her political opinion, from any man who stands tall and straight. They especially hate strong WHITE men, even though these broken women themselves tend to be White.

So normal left-wing women will never let their politics override their instincts. But broken women absolutely do. I've had girls walk out on dates with me because she asked me a political question and I answered wrong. Conversely, with normal left-wing women, they will ask me a question, get offended, yet stick around and become more attracted and more aroused as I am able to destroy their politics via argumentation. The key, however, is to do it with game: NEVER be the first to bring up politics. You must keep the moral high ground. This is how you sort out the broken bitches from the merely normal leftist ones.

Quote:I couldn't agree more with Samseau. To be honest, the men are just as bad. I travel and work with a lot of Germans, and I've spoken with some in private on the refugee situation. They are so passive and unable to see the situation before their eyes that it's really surprised me. I definitely look at Germans a lot differently now than before all of this.

Here's an amusing conversation I had with a random German girl I matched with. Who knows if the account is legit, but it does present a sad picture.

Thanks for sharing, but I am going to have to criticize you.

First, that was terrible game. Why would you bring up politics first? Never bring up politics before she does, it's an instant turn-off. It makes you look like a bitter asshole, as opposed to a charming and aloof asshole.

Second, this isn't the way to reveal broken women. You spot broken women by gaming them normally, and waiting for political questions to arise on their own. Most of the time, women will never talk about politics because they don't care and they don't know shit. But the broken women will bring up politics on their own, and reject you if you fail to answer correctly. This is the clearest way to show it.

Third, even though you were the one who brought up politics like a noob, I would still put money down she is a broken leftist woman anyways because of the huge essays she wrote to justify herself. A normal leftist woman would just say something to the effect of, "I don't care what your opinions are, why are you talking about this I don't even know you" and put you on ignore. And this is normal female behavior because any man who tries to force his politics onto others is being weak, and normal females are repulsed by weak behavior.

Quote:In regards to women voting for strength, I agree with you. You imply that women can't discern between good and bad strength, which is why I said women should be restricted to the private sphere, namely childbearing, maintaining the home, etc.

Absolutely. Just as woman's sex organs are internal and a man's external, so too should a woman's focus in society be focused internally and a man's externally.

Some more clarity about what broken women versus normal women are like can be found with Bonecrckr:

http://no-maam.blogspot.com/2009/02/bone...osers.html

Quote:All women say they want a dominant, successful, high status man with enlightened values. It is extremely easy to identify where a man is in the pecking order; by his job, by his dress, by the way he talks and acts and by the way other men treat him. Everyone knows where a man stands.

This includes women, who could easily snap up a man like this who freely advertises if he is available or not.

The problem is that almost no women actually follow through with this behavior. Dominant, successful, high status men with enlightened values are regularly passed up for dangerous, weak, emotionally unstable drug dealers with bad BO and a rap sheet as long as my arm. The younger and more attractive a woman is, the more likely she is to ignore the good men and screw as many of the bad men as she can get her hands on. Not all women do this. Some screw as many fraternity brothers as they can handle a night, just as long as they are drunk/high and treat her like dirt. Any man who doesn't act this way is labelled a loser, no matter how high status or macho. It's hilarious, and deeply, deeply sick.

Then, when a woman reaches about age 25, she starts to hunt for a man who is both wealthy and weak willed. Both qualities are very important, because her sole purpose for hunting this man is to attach herself vampire-like onto him and drain him for all he is worth. They continue to screw bad men during the entire marriage. Strong willed men quickly say no to this crapola and move on to the next woman. After a while, they start to wonder if all women are vampires trying to trick them into a bad situation. Certainly they don't meet anyone who actually cares for him and sincerely wants to be his wife.

Many of our country's most powerful men are either unmarried, taken to the cleaners by divorce, or are stuck in a marriage that is an obvious lie, often making up for it with dishonourable behaviour. A perfect example of this is Bill Clinton. His wife is an obvious lesbian who only married him because he was going places and could further her own political ambitions (the pay off isn't always in money, lol).

I'm tempted to say that American women are unable to recognize signs of status, power and high quality in men. But it's not true. They know full well what the deal is and purposefully choose the weak, psychotic, scum of the earth until they want a meal ticket.

Real men are left without.

http://no-maam.blogspot.com/2009/02/bone...ction.html

Quote:I just downloaded the book, If Men Have All The Power, How Come Women Make The Rules? Excellent book, BTW. It's filled with all sorts of interesting information.

Here's a quote that got me to thinking (originally from The Woman That Never Evolved, by Sarah Blaffer Hardy):

"The central organizing principle of primate social life is competition between females and especially female lineages... Females should be, if anything, more competitive than males, not less, although the manner in which females compete may be less direct, less boisterous, and hence, more difficult to measure"
.
Normally, women compete fiercely amongst each other for men. Unlike animals, human children take a looooooong time to mature and our most powerful survival ability (our mind) takes significant effort to train and develop. Before the modern era, any woman stupid enough to take a weak, deviant man, who left after sex... died. At the very least, her child had slim to none survival value. Her lineage died out. Normally, women compete for the best men, that competition being intense when they are scarce. One thing they don't do is willingly have sex with an inappropriate man, unless there absolutely isn't anyone else. Men also compete for the best women. Or rather, for the status among our peers that attracts the best women. However, since we don't actually have to bear the children, that competition isn't as fierce. Survival of our line has less to do with who we choose and more to do with what we do. We (men) compete in who does things best. Women compete in who can get the best man. Men have the option of leaving. A woman who left usually died. That's the way it's always been and the way it should be.
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But American women aren't normal. They have absolutely stopped competing for good men. They go out of their way to devalue them. They freely engage in behaviours that result in the extinction of their lineage. They leave. They refuse to raise their children. They engage in infidelity. They choose disposable partners based on deviant behavior. The reason why women seem to be so scarce is not because they have made themselves unavailable but because they have ceased having any interest whatsoever in extending their female lineage to the next generation. There is a natural consequence for that... extinction. The children of these women grow up powerless and feral, with increasingly lower status. Eventually, their lines will disappear.

The question we should be asking ourselves is, are we a valuable prize that would normally be fiercely competed over? If you are healthy, strong, successful, educated and have values that would promote the well being of a family, then that answer is yes. We have been lied to, repeatedly and in a systematic manner. What is interesting is what might happen if you left our abnormal women and went someplace where the women are desperately competing with eachother for the best men. Especially if most of the men who live there don't have these traits. You might come away with a different opinion of where you are in the pecking order.

Food for thought.

Keep in mind that Bonecrckr lived around Chicago, which is what I'm talking about when I mention the difference between the big blue cities versus the rest of the country.

Cue Ron Paul memes

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/...finland-2/

From the article:
"Wearing black jackets adorned with a symbol of a Viking and the Finnish flag, the “Soldiers of Odin” have surfaced as self-proclaimed patriots patrolling the streets to protect native Finns from immigrants, worrying the government and police.

On the northern fringes of Europe, Finland has little history of welcoming large numbers of refugees, unlike neighbouring Sweden. But as with other European countries, it is now struggling with a huge increase in asylum seekers and the authorities are wary of any anti-immigrant vigilantism.

A group of young men founded Soldiers of Odin, named after a Norse god, late last year in the northern town of Kemi. This lies near the border community of Tornio, which has become an entry point for migrants arriving from Sweden.

Since then the group has expanded to other towns, with members stating they want to serve as eyes and ears for the police who they say are struggling to fulfil their duties.

Members blame “Islamist intruders” for what they believe is an increase in crime and they have carried placards at demonstrations with slogans such as “Migrants not welcome”.

While most Finns disapprove of the group, its growth signals disquiet in a country strained by the cost of receiving the asylum seekers while mired in a three-year-old recession that has forced state spending and welfare cuts.

Finnish police have also reported harassment of women by “men with a foreign background” at New Year celebrations in Helsinki, as well as at some public events last autumn.

This followed complaints of hundreds of sexual assaults on women in Cologne and other German cities – with investigations focused on illegal migrants and asylum seekers – and allegations that Swedish police covered up accusations of similar assaults by mostly migrant youths in Stockholm.

Police files show reported cases of sexual harassment in Finland almost doubled to 147 in the last four months of 2015 from 75 in the
same period a year earlier. The figures give no ethnic breakdown of the alleged perpetrators."

ViceUK did an article on the "controversial" Polish magazine cover linked previously:

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/wsieci-r...ape-europe

It's written by a 20-something Amelia Dimoldenberg (clearly a Jewish name), she also interviews a Polish Journalist from a "Left-Wing" publication. I'm only going to post excerpts which I have a rebuttal for (In bold):

Quote:There were 58 counts of sexual assault that night, and even though only three arrested suspects were recent refugees

58? Where is this number from? I remember hundreds, even the BBC said 100+ in an article printed on 7th January while girls were still coming forward. Also some key words here. First of all, "Arrested"-a lot of them are still at large, and where's the statistic for German White arrests? Are we just supposed to believe the other 55 are them without you quoting a statistic to say as such?

Second key word; "recent". It doesn't matter if they're recent or not, we've been letting in Middle Easterns for over a year. Also, what does recent even mean? Last month?

Friends of the ruling party, for example, own the Polish Journal, so it's a bit like the Hungarian situation, where friends of the party in power also own the media. But these magazines still call themselves "rebellious", even though they're basically party media.

For those that don't know; before PiS was the ruling party, the media was owned by German media corporations, and the positions in the media were appointed by, guess who, THE RULING PARTY. The media who have been ousted by the current government are just butthurt that they can't control the narrative and be paid by German fatcats anymore.

people get their information from these kinds of magazines or really biased social media pages

Because getting your information from social networks that delete "hate speech" and stifle free speech (Facebook, Twitter, both clamping down on posts that are not pro-migrant) is much better, yeah? And they're not biased at all, right?

On the whole it is quite dangerous, as I think Polish people are coming to think that it's normal to publish such things, which is worrying.

The real worrying thing is that it's normal to NOT PUBLISH things like the Cologne attacks, which took 5 days to hit mainstream media.

The old EU countries are definitely more politically correct.

Read: The old EU countries are definitely more cucked.

To top it off, this girl has also engaged in such revolutionary journalism such as:

We Took to the Streets to Ask: Who Is the Most Fuckable Cereal Mascot?

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/we-took-...mascot-403

Unreal.

(02-19-2016 10:51 AM)AntiMediocrity Wrote:  ViceUK did an article on the "controversial" Polish magazine cover linked previously:

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/wsieci-r...ape-europe

It's written by a 20-something Amelia Dimoldenberg (clearly a Jewish name), she also interviews a Polish Journalist from a "Left-Wing" publication. I'm only going to post excerpts which I have a rebuttal for (In bold):

There is probably nothing more infuriating to people like this than seeing media that is not controlled by one of their ilk. They view such a thing as a perversion of time, space, and the very physical laws of the universe.

Portuguese prime minister has just said "We can take in 10,000 refugees!"

One hand it sounds bad, on the other, we said we could take in 5,000 before and only 20 or 30 came He could say.... we can take in 100 million refugees and it wouldn't make a damn difference because we are not Germany, Sweden, UK, France, etc...

And I'm glad we aren't.

Funny that Vice could criticize other publications for being "rebel culture sellouts",its not even ironic at this point...

On a related note, the financial puppetmasters in the EU and US want to eliminate paper money, so they can tax the law abiding populace to the hilt so as to pay for milllions of invaders who will need an expanded welfare state to support them.
Welcome to Europe and the US's totalitarian future unless Trump can do something about this economic terrorism.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world...ian-state/

http://www.euronews.com/2016/02/19/austr...uota-plan/

Austria is imposing fairly strict quotas on invaders which they say will get stricter. The EU says this is "illegal" and drunk Juncker said it was like "flipping Europe the bird."

Hag Merkel wants to make a deal with Turkey but even after they seal their borders I'm hearing they want to fly rapefugees into Europe anyway, but I expect the "V4" and now Austria, which is aligning itself with them, to not allow that.

Germany is the root of all of this, even Sweden seems to be getting the message.

That bitch needs to go.

^

Since the EU is currently also negotiating with the UK, trying to prevent them from leaving the union by making huge concessions, Greece has today apparently threatened to veto any agreement between the EU and the UK unless Austria keeps its borders open. They know Austria closing its borders will cause a chain reaction on the Balkan, and who will once again end up with all the migrants?

Well at least the ensuing chaos will keep things interesting,if terrible!!!

Warm welcome party for the latest batch of rapefugees:





The comment section is filled with hypocrites who all hate on the Germans protesting the Muzzies, yet none of the people commenting live next to such enrichment.

@Sameseau
I wasn't really trying to game the German chick; I was genuinely curious about her opinion on the matter. When you have a lot of options, as I do, you're willing to throw some away for random experimentation. Plus I don't live in Germany. I matched her via fake location.