Post: #1

So far this has been a slug fest because the narrative has been completely controlled by them. Its time for a response. They have given us a great opportunity and they don't even know it yet, but they soon will.

The weakness of our sat meeting was the our numbers are large but our strength was defused because we are spread out across the entire planet. They have given us the opportunity to focus our entire energy at a single head of a pin for maximum impact. At the same time they elevated our profile that our response will get tremendous attention. So what do we do you ask. Simple.

We write a letter to that woman who spoke at parliament. EVERY SINGLE ONE of us. We explain how our lives have improved by the embrace of our ideas, did you find love, did you improve your health, no longer addicted to drugs, you didn't commit suicide, you are a better father, husband, etc. The letter must be positive!!!! Be sincere, be uplifting, be inspiring. She must wake up to this Monday morning. Thousands and thousands of letters from us. All positive, uplifting.

The frame they are in is one of fear. Lets be the leaders we are and pass this global master shit test. When your woman is hysterical you calm her down by staying calm and let her know there is nothing to fear, because you are in charge. Lets do it men!!!!!

Control the Frame.

Post: #2

As much as I'm hesitant to subscribe to spur of the moment operational suggestions by low-post count members, this actually sounds like a decent idea.

Post: #3

This is a terrible idea.

Various governments have made statements condemning ROK in light of this controversy. In some cases high level ministers have directed for further monitoring by federal police (and presumably security service) agencies. The interested government agencies have likely already investigated ROK, Roosh and presumably RVF. They are already aware of the nature of ROK and RVF posters and have decided (under no small pressure from constituents) to demonise them anyway.

In light of the above it would not be in anyone's interests to out themselves using their real identities by writing letters to parliament. They already know your intentions; they just don't care.

Also it's very suspicious when low post/low rep members advocate for members identifying themselves to the authorities.

Post: #4

No one said put identifying information. I wouldn't recommended that either.

But can you imagine such a hysterical response to positive letters. Make them read them all. You will change some minds. Love is our best response. Love of family, love of community, love of our woman.

Love is what we have and they don't. Lets share it with them.

Post: #5

Either we go quietly into the night or we take an opportunity we may never have again. ACTION always wins over inaction.

Post: #6

I can just imagine the report from the agent tasked to monitor RVF.

"Well they support Trump a great deal.
They promote weightlifting wherever possible.
They have a fascination with some guy called 'Little Dark'.
They frequently rate women out of 10 & then either 'whiskey bravo' or 'whiskey November bravo'...
But there's nothing about rape."

Post: #7

I might point out that letters coming without identifying information may well be written off as generated automatically or the work of one person, not truly representative of the forum's views.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #8

Parliament?

If you think the UK parliament has the integrity to not unleash the hounds on men like us, you'll have a rude wake up call.

- They lied about Iraq, Iran & Libya
- They lied about Kosovo & Serbia
- They lied about the economy, banks and government
- They lie about immigration and rape gangs
- They cover up pedophiles in their midst

I'll hold off on cooperating with a bunch of half wit liars. No insult to yourself but its very thin ice and you can be destroyed with a single report.

Post: #9

Good point Paracelsus! I appreciate the feedback. Like I tell my employees, don't just come to we with a problems, what are some solutions?

Do we make up fake identities, do we address them all from Roosh. At the end of the day we need a response. An uplifting one. I want that intern at Parliament having to read that letter to think, I want that lonely intern low level employee in the news room to think. This is an introduction to the world of our community. No impressions like the first impression. Lets make it a good one.

Post: #10

We don't have the numbers yet to make that sort of effect anyway.

This isn't about using the System-approved tactics to make change. How many other groups use this method to no avail?

For now we go underground and continue as we always do to multiply in their midst.

Post: #11

(02-04-2016 07:07 AM)krazyhorze Wrote:  So far this has been a slug fest because the narrative has been completely controlled by them. Its time for a response. They have given us a great opportunity and they don't even know it yet, but they soon will.

The weakness of our sat meeting was the our numbers are large but our strength was defused because we are spread out across the entire planet. They have given us the opportunity to focus our entire energy at a single head of a pin for maximum impact. At the same time they elevated our profile that our response will get tremendous attention. So what do we do you ask. Simple.

We write a letter to that woman who spoke at parliament. EVERY SINGLE ONE of us. We explain how our lives have improved by the embrace of our ideas, did you find love, did you improve your health, no longer addicted to drugs, you didn't commit suicide, you are a better father, husband, etc. The letter must be positive!!!! Be sincere, be uplifting, be inspiring. She must wake up to this Monday morning. Thousands and thousands of letters from us. All positive, uplifting.

The frame they are in is one of fear. Lets be the leaders we are and pass this global master shit test. When your woman is hysterical you calm her down by staying calm and let her know there is nothing to fear, because you are in charge. Lets do it men!!!!!

Control the Frame.

An anonymous/fake I.D. letter writing campaign to Parliament? This cannot, should not and will not, surely, happen. No. No. No. One hundred thousand no's. This is the SAME system which just forced into application laws that include telling your (female) partner what to wear as domestic violence.

It's not controlling the frame at all when you effectively go to them on their terms and supplicate yourself before them, saying how you're a better man because of neomasculinity and ask them to be persuaded.

Take a look at the threat catalogue thread I started. We have SJWs, even with their employer's names plastered across their profiles, promising to firebomb meetings, get mobs to rape participants (yes, so-called women who say they fight rape), and dismember attendees with knives. The rabid collective mental illness we are seeing is unprecedented.

We have moved from people demanding "hir" and "zhe" pronouns last week to this.

There is a difference between exaggerating the threats we face and considered actions based on our interests. This incident, really a collection of thousands of incidents globally, is a case in point of the latter.

Go into that thread and take a look. Delve into that world and you start to see that the British and other political figures wilfully ignore those kinds of threats. Your letters will do nothing to change their mentality. If a 1000-strong rape pack in Köln won't bring European politicians to their senses, do you really think a group already falsely labelled "pro-rape" writing letters to Parliament will? They're not all intrinsically *bad* people, they just want to get re-elected.

Until such time as instructions are handed out by Roosh, based on the soberest assessment of security and group strategy, these sorts of proposals, however well-intentioned, are completely out of the question.

Plus, there is zero way to ensure everyone participating in your scheme would not blurt out stuff that identifies them and screws them over 150,000%.

Quite frankly, it would have taken about 20 ROK guys dying this weekend before any half-chunk of the mainstream gave the slightest flying *something* about what we say, other than to castigate or patently distort it.

Post: #12

(02-04-2016 07:27 AM)krazyhorze Wrote:  Love is what we have and they don't. Lets share it with them.

Post: #13

David,

I give you this much, scary times we live in.

Post: #14

Designate,

Its called speaking to your audience. This is the language they understand, its simple and to the point. How the hell does someone disagree with love.... Well, except for you.

Post: #15

(02-04-2016 07:27 AM)krazyhorze Wrote:  But can you imagine such a hysterical response to positive letters. Make them read them all. You will change some minds. Love is our best response. Love of family, love of community, love of our woman.

Love is what we have and they don't. Lets share it with them.

I actually wrote my initial response to everyone else reading this, rather than to you.

What you wrote here was the least red pill/neomasculine thing I have ever seen on this forum.

Shill account or incredibly naive.

Post: #16

I agree with David Garrett 95% and Krazy horse 5%.

Love is our best response, but if you've already become loving THAT is the point. We don't need to brag about love, especially when that bragging can damage ourselves or other members, and especially when our enemies are full of hate.

Hate doesn't ignorantly nor haplessly wage war against love. Hate deliberately and meticulously does so.

Post: #17

I'm sure many told that to MLK and the likes. When someone expects violence from you and you don't respond in kind it takes their power away from them. Public opinion turns.

But I understand the hesitation of sending letters to Parliament. Maybe a journalist of Roosh's choosing.

Post: #18

I doubt it would accomplish much. You can't use logic to convince them and a few nice words wouldn't persuade them anyway. I find the idea a tad bit naïve.

Post: #19

United CUCKdom -I can't believe they literally waste tax payer time to debate banning Roosh and Trump.

Post: #20

Maybe this would work for beta husbands when their wives are frivorcing them and taking their children and future income away. They can explain their feelings, and how much the marriage means to them, and how much they love the wife and children.

A woman would have to respond to a sincere outreach like this, based on reason and an explanation of the man's feelings.

Edit: I don't mean to slam the OP too badly. I appreciate the desire to fight the current situation. It's unfair and irrational. Unfortunately, that's the nature of our enemies. We didn't set out to be their enemies, but they set out to be ours. All we can do is try to connect with more men who are open to our ideas, and let our ideas spread subversively. In our own lives, we can work to be anti-fragile in our work situations, to make friends with other like-thinking men, and to refuse to accept any feminist bullshit from the women in our lives. We can't convince them, but we can next every single one who won't comply with the behavior we expect.

There is a culture war going on, and as Roosh worded it in one of his posts, we have to use Guerilla tactics for now.

Post: #21

(02-04-2016 08:27 AM)marty Wrote:  I doubt it would accomplish much. You can't use logic to convince them and a few nice words wouldn't persuade them anyway. I find the idea a tad bit naïve.

You know what they tell kidnapped victims on how to avoid being executed. They say talk to your captives. Let them know who you are, that you are a person with dreams, family, fears. Make them see you as a human being. That's just it, we are not human beings to these people right now. We are the boogie man. But we are sons, fathers, leaders of our community.

I understand I have a low post count but in my daily life it's my job to negotiate deals, close them, make agreements with disputing parties. Before I begin negotiating I make sure to set the frame.

Post: #22

The backlash we faced/are facing is entirely feminine - illogical, emotional, unconcerned with facts, and disproportionate.

There's a whole forum about dealing with women and acknowledging their inability to be rational and you still suggest dealing with them in this way?

This is the equivalent of a girl calling you "creepy" in the club and calling bouncers on you while you tap your ring to your glass to explain to everybody around how not creepy you are.

How is that controlling the frame? It's the exact opposite....

Post: #23

(02-04-2016 07:27 AM)krazyhorze Wrote:  No one said put identifying information. I wouldn't recommended that either.

But can you imagine such a hysterical response to positive letters. Make them read them all. You will change some minds. Love is our best response. Love of family, love of community, love of our woman.

Love is what we have and they don't. Lets share it with them.

True. But we have more than just love. We got flowers too.

Post: #24

(02-04-2016 07:34 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  I can just imagine the report from the agent tasked to monitor RVF.

"Well they support Trump a great deal.
They promote weightlifting wherever possible.
They have a fascination with some guy called 'Little Dark'.
They frequently rate women out of 10 & then either 'whiskey bravo' or 'whiskey November bravo'...
But there's nothing about rape."

And he would round his report out by saying "I stand by my analysis".

Post: #25

The real way to strike back on anything approaching a level playing field would be a lawsuit for her defamatory statements. She was massively irresponsible to not investigate that facts behind what she was saying.