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TigerTim · 2016-01-20 14:13:00 · #6826
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The recent surge of migration into Europe has been unprecedented in scope, with an estimated 1 million migrants from the Middle East and North Africa this past year alone, making for a massive humanitarian crisis, as well as a political and moral dilemma for European governments. But one crucial dimension of this crisis has gone little-noticed: sex or, more technically, sex ratios.

According to official counts, a disproportionate number of these migrants are young, unmarried, unaccompanied males. In fact, the sex ratios among migrants are so one-sided—we’re talking worse than those in China, in some cases—that they could radically change the gender balance in European countries in certain age cohorts.

As many governments, including in the United States, debate how many migrants to accept onto their shores, they would be wise to take gender balance into consideration. That might sound sexist on the surface, but years of research has shown that male-dominated societies are less stable, because they are more susceptible to higher levels of violence, insurgence and mistreatment of women. In Germany, scores of women recently reported being attacked on New Year’s Eve by men whom the authorities describe as of “North African or Arabic” descent. While it is not yet known whether the alleged perpetrators were migrants, the attacks may finally be alerting policymakers to the risks of a male-dominated migration wave. Why would European societies, many of which rank highest on global measures of gender equality and stability and peace, jeopardize those hard-won and enviable rankings?

It makes good sense that so many young men are leaving countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria: Their demographic is often at greater risk of being coerced into joining fighting groups, or being killed rather than captured by such groups. But the result is that 66.26 percent of adult migrants registered through Italy and Greece over the past year were male, according to the International Organization of Migration.

That imbalance might not sound radical, but it is, especially when you look more closely at who those males are. It’s true that many male migrants hope that, if granted asylum, they will be joined in Europe by their wives and children, who would help balance out national sex ratios. But importantly, more than 20 percent of migrants are minors below the age of 18, and the IOM estimates that more than half of those minors traveling to Europe are traveling as unaccompanied minors—90 percent of whom are males. This heavily male subset is all but guaranteed asylum because of their status as unaccompanied minors, but they get no special dispensation to bring spouses, especially since the European Court of Human Rights recently ruled that European Union countries are not required to recognize the legality of child marriages among migrants.

To see how these overall figures affect specific countries—and why there is reason for concern—consider the case of Sweden, which has been especially transparent about its migration statistics and whose ratios mirror the broader trend in Europe in many respects.

According to Swedish government statistics, as of the end of November, 71 percent of all applicants for asylum to Sweden in 2015 were male. More than 21 percent of all migrants to Sweden were classified as unaccompanied minors, representing more than half of all minor migrants to the country. For accompanied minors, the sex ratio was about 1.16 boys for every one girl. But for unaccompanied minors, the ratio was 11.3 boys for every one girl. In other words, the Swedish case confirms IOM’s statistic that more than 90 percent of unaccompanied minors are male. Indeed, on average, approximately 90 unaccompanied boys entered Sweden every single day in 2015, compared with eight unaccompanied girls.

Those numbers are a recipe for striking imbalances within Sweden. Consider that more than half of these unaccompanied minors entering Sweden are 16 or 17 years old, or at least claim to be. (There are no medical checks of age for Swedish asylum-seekers, and applicants who say they’re under 18 receive special consideration in the asylum process.) In this age group more than three-quarters are unaccompanied, meaning they are overwhelmingly male. According to calculations based on the Swedish government’s figures, a total of 18,615 males aged 16 and 17 entered Sweden over the course of the past year, compared with 2,555 females of the same age. Sure enough, when those figures are added to the existing counts of 16- and 17-year-old boys and girls in Sweden—103,299 and 96,524, respectively, according to the U.S. Census Bureau’s International Database—you end up with a total of 121,914 males in Sweden aged 16 or 17 and 99,079 females of the same age. The resulting ratio is astonishing: These calculations suggest that as of the end of 2015, there were 123 16- and 17-year-old boys in Sweden for every 100 girls of that age.

If that trend continues into 2016 or even beyond, each successive late adolescent cohort of 16- and 17-year-olds will be similarly abnormal, and over time the abnormality will become an established fact of the broader young adult population in Sweden. (Hans Rosling, the Swedish data visualizer who created the GapMinder Foundation, has similar estimates regarding the alteration of Swedish sex ratios.) In China, long the most gender-imbalanced country in the world, the male-to-female ratio of approximately 117 boys for every 100 girls in this age group now comes up short of Sweden’s gender gap. China’s sex ratios are still more abnormal across other age groups; the imbalances there extend all the way down to birth sex ratios due to the country’s severe birth restrictions, while Sweden’s abnormalities do not. But young adult sex ratios are arguably the most crucial of all for social stability.

Canada is the one country so far that seems to think this is cause for concern. Faced with similarly skewed sex ratios among asylum-seekers, the new liberal administration of Justin Trudeau announced in late November that, starting in 2016, it would accept only women, accompanied children and families from Syria. Specifically excluded would be unaccompanied minor males and single adult males (unless they are members of the LGBTQ community); those excluded will primarily be older teen and young adult men.

Fear of terrorism could well be part of Canada’s calculus, especially in the wake of attacks perpetrated by migrants in Europe and the United States; in the overwhelming majority of cases, terror attacks are carried out by unattached young adult men. Most of these men are unmarried, and virtually none have children. Indeed, the Islamic State reportedly discourages its male fighters from having children so that they are more willing to engage in suicide attacks, and widows of suicide bombers are quickly forced to remarry, while remaining on birth control.

But fear of terrorism might not be the only reason to be leery of highly abnormal sex ratios among the young adult population. As my co-author Andrea Den Boer and I argued in our book, societies with extremely skewed sex ratios are more unstable even without jihadi ideologues in their midst. Numerous empirical studies have shown that sex ratios correlate significantly with violence and property crime—the higher the sex ratio, the worse the crime rate. Our research also found a link between sex ratios and the emergence of both violent criminal gangs and anti-government movements. It makes sense: When young adult males fail to make the transition to starting a household—particularly those young males who are already at risk for sociopathic behavior due to marginalization, a common concern among immigrants—their grievances are aggravated.


There are also clearly negative effects for women in male-dominated populations. Crimes such as rape and sexual harassment become more common in highly masculinized societies, and women’s ability to move about freely and without fear within society is curtailed. In addition, demand for prostitution soars; that would create a deeply ironic outcome for Sweden, which invented the path-breaking Swedish abolitionist approach to prostitution.

Europe is famously progressive on women’s rights, and some European governments have even created voluntary classes for migrants to understand how the treatment of women may be profoundly different in their new homes. But even with such efforts there is the potential for real regress when the young adult sex ratio is so high. And what is often invisible in the debates over migration is that the women left behind by this largely male exodus are usually left in dire situations: In displaced persons camps in Syria or refugee camps in Turkey, Jordan and surrounding countries, female-headed households live in fear and penury, prey to exploitation and abuse. Sweden’s foreign minister, Margot Wallström rightly emphasizes her country’s “feminist foreign policy”—but can Sweden really consider its migration policy to be feminist?

While the humanitarian needs of the refugees streaming into Europe must be foremost in our minds at this time, policymakers in Sweden and other countries should also think of the long-term consequences of an unprecedented alteration in the young adult sex ratios of their societies. The Canadian approach should be carefully studied, and perhaps adapted by other countries. After all, if the sex ratios of the migrants’ countries of origins are balanced, is it not odd to accept predominantly male migrants for asylum?

As anthropologist Barbara Miller has persuasively argued, a normal sex ratio is a “public good” and therefore deserves state protection. For Sweden—or any other European country—to wind up with the worst young adult sex ratios in the world would be a tragedy for European men and women alike.



http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2...men-213500


There is another similar article about this issue which is very interesting to read:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-11/eu...ce/7076924
Parzival · 2016-01-20 15:04:00 · #6827
https://www.facebook.com/drb.de/videos/1...2/?theater

Its about a family from Ukraine, both parents work and the kids go to school. They should get deported from Germany. But yeah what we need is more stealing Albanians and sex criminal Arabs. You hear such cases more often in Germany, a well integrated family get kicked out and deported even after 10 years living in Germany. But some scum can stay forever.

Cologne made it also till Taiwan:



redpillage · 2016-01-20 17:32:00 · #6828
(01-20-2016 01:09 PM)Mike5055 Wrote:  The IMF, as usual, is wrong. Good luck integrating migrant labor when they don't speak the language, don't want to work, or worse.

Your "growth" will be short lived and result in an economic catastrophe.

They're not 'wrong' really - they are on track with breaking up nations and expanding their globalist agenda. They know exactly what they are doing and the PR we get served in the MSM is simply mind fuckery to appease the peasants.

Merkel is steaming forward and now is going to push the 'European solution', which, if we're lucky' is going to break up the EU. If we're not and the opposing states cave in - well, then we're all fucked.
Roosh · 2016-01-20 18:14:00 · #6829
It's more likely that European countries will default economically in a Greece style scenario before criminal anarchy sets in. Sweden is fragile and now that oil has bottomed out, so is Norway. And we already know about Spain, Portugal, and Italy's economic problems. Once one falls, it will be like dominoes.

If I was a European citizen, I'd start prepping right now (food, water, cash, self-defense).
redpillage · 2016-01-20 18:30:00 · #6830
My favorite video today:





Watch those Krauts just sit there and do nothing. Because if you walk over there and kick this guy in the nuts you'll end up in prison. Stick a fork in it Germany - you are DONE.
redpillage · 2016-01-20 18:36:00 · #6831
(01-20-2016 06:14 PM)Roosh Wrote:  If I was a European citizen, I'd start prepping right now (food, water, cash, self-defense).

I personally have a slightly different approach:
  • Run my own online business (location independent)
  • I don't own anything - everything including transportation is rented.
  • Zero debt.
  • Money offshore bank and in cash.
  • No children.

Which means if shit hits the fan i can be out of here (Southern Europe) within days. Clearly I wouldn't wait for the last moment when you are unable to get out. I would have to leave behind some clothes and some computer equipment but those things are easily replaced.



Roosh · 2016-01-20 18:55:00 · #6832
^^^ Your plan is fine for general economic collapses but not for acute crises. It doesn't matter how much money you have if supermarkets aren't stocked with food or you can get to it without being robbed or attacked.

Today my water went out for a few hours. I have 10 gallons of drinking water on hand (36 liters) but didn't have a pump. I asked myself what I would do if water was out for 3 days. So I'm going to double my water capacity and buy a portable water pump (total cost of $50). Most people don't have water on hand for 1 day, so I'm already ahead of the curve.

If you don't prep, then your best bet is to have enough cash on hand for a fast exit via plane or train. If you plan on keeping your home/apartment, your strategy must be different.
Belgrano · 2016-01-20 19:18:00 · #6833
(01-20-2016 06:14 PM)Roosh Wrote:  It's more likely that European countries will default economically in a Greece style scenario before criminal anarchy sets in. Sweden is fragile and now that oil has bottomed out, so is Norway. And we already know about Spain, Portugal, and Italy's economic problems. Once one falls, it will be like dominoes.

If I was a European citizen, I'd start prepping right now (food, water, cash, self-defense).

Worst case would be something like Russia in the 1990s I assume.
Guess I better start doing some research on how exactly the oligarchs there made their fortune.
storm · 2016-01-20 19:22:00 · #6834
The internet will be the first thing to go.

Go talk to someone in IT who works on setting up internet infrastructure in e.g. supermarkets or corporate offices if you want to develop a sense of impending doom.

Now is your chance to download the entire contents of wikipedia:
https://kat.cr/usearch/wikipedia/

Purchase a Toughbook (If you are on a budget go get the CF30mk3):
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=toughbook

Buy guns, build networks, make plans. See the prepper thread. Get trained.

But there is still a good chance europe will uncuck itself. I am optimistic. And then the extraction of the muslims will be much easier than anyone expects because nobody has ever read a history book about these things. For example, the rwandan genocide lasted only 100 days and removed 70% of the target ethnicity (20% of the total population). Of course I am not suggesting the migrants should be murdered but this propaganda that they can only ever stay forever is ridiculous and completely disconnected with reality. Remember to temper your emotional perceptions with numerical facts.
NewMeta · 2016-01-20 19:24:00 · #6835
(01-20-2016 06:55 PM)Roosh Wrote:  ^^^ Your plan is fine for general economic collapses but not for acute crises. It doesn't matter how much money you have if supermarkets aren't stocked with food or you can get to it without being robbed or attacked.

Today my water went out for a few hours. I have 10 gallons of drinking water on hand (36 liters) but didn't have a pump. I asked myself what I would do if water was out for 3 days. So I'm going to double my water capacity and buy a portable water pump (total cost of $50). Most people don't have water on hand for 1 day, so I'm already ahead of the curve.

If you don't prep, then your best bet is to have enough cash on hand for a fast exit via plane or train. If you plan on keeping your home/apartment, your strategy must be different.

Are you in Poland or the US right now?

I somehow doubt we are on the verge of a sudden water crisis, there are usually signs of imminent economic collapse, like in your example of Greece. Hell I was in London during the riots and airports were still operational, I just cut my trip short and bought a ticket out of there.
Troutslayer · 2016-01-20 19:26:00 · #6836
Roosh if you're re-evaluating your water preps you should pick up a life straw or three. I have used them to drink out of the dirtiest water sources you could think of. I have no financial interest in the product, just think it's great.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LifeStraw
NewMeta · 2016-01-20 19:30:00 · #6837
(01-20-2016 07:22 PM)storm Wrote:  The internet will be the first thing to go.

Go talk to someone in IT who works on setting up internet infrastructure in e.g. supermarkets or corporate offices if you want to develop a sense of impending doom.

Only if energy is the first to go, in which case it is energy that is the first to go Big Grin

So yeah why would you say internet is the first to go I don't understand that? So long as electricity powers the local ISP datacentres youre fine.
Hades · 2016-01-20 19:39:00 · #6838
If you guys are 100% serious about prepping for a shit hits the fan scenario, I have a useful suggestion.

The LifeStraw is a water filter that can clean out up to a thousand liters of contaminated water. They send these to villages in Africa. You can install a pump on it. It's tiny. I have one.

It won't filter heavy metals. Since you really only need about a gallon of water a day to get by (less if you're careful), you're set for somewhat less than a year with one of these. It's only 20 bucks. I don't think it's an affiliate link but if it is, that's not intentional.

^^ Yeah Troutslayer beat me to it.
Anabasis to Desta · 2016-01-20 19:58:00 · #6839
(01-20-2016 02:13 PM)TigerTim Wrote:  [Image: 6790506-3x2-700x467.jpg]

But one crucial dimension of this crisis has gone little-noticed: sex or, more technically, sex ratios.

According to official counts, a disproportionate number of these migrants are young, unmarried, unaccompanied males. In fact, the sex ratios among migrants are so one-sided—we’re talking worse than those in China, in some cases—that they could radically change the gender balance in European countries in certain age cohorts.


It makes good sense that so many young men are leaving countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria: Their demographic is often at greater risk of being coerced into joining fighting groups, or being killed rather than captured by such groups. But the result is that 66.26 percent of adult migrants registered through Italy and Greece over the past year were male, according to the International Organization of Migration.


Wouldn't be too worried about the sex ratios to be honest. If the situation is not curbed quickly, I can see a minimum of 5-10 million Europeans, mostly middle class tax paying males leave the continent within the next decade. Italians, Spanish and Portuguese will likely hit Chile, Argentina and Brazil. Western Euros will probably swarm Canada, SEA and Australia.

This will normalize the sex ratios.
Samseau · 2016-01-20 20:46:00 · #6840
^ Women will be bailing too. I've talked with a few German women around where I live who have 0.0 desire to go back to Germany right now.
Samseau · 2016-01-20 20:53:00 · #6841
(01-20-2016 06:14 PM)Roosh Wrote:  It's more likely that European countries will default economically in a Greece style scenario before criminal anarchy sets in. Sweden is fragile and now that oil has bottomed out, so is Norway. And we already know about Spain, Portugal, and Italy's economic problems. Once one falls, it will be like dominoes.

If I was a European citizen, I'd start prepping right now (food, water, cash, self-defense).

It's going to be both, Roosh. The oncoming economic collapse will be matched by a tidal wave of invaders into Europe.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-securi...lly-worse/

Davos: Europe Migrant Crisis Just Beginning, ‘Imagine One Billion’

Quote:Schwab, founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum (WEF), believes that the plummeting prices of commodities signals an economic disaster for the entire developing world, which will have devastating effects on population displacement.

“Look how many countries in Africa, for example, depend on the income from oil exports,” Schwab said in an interview prior to the WEF’s 46th annual meeting, scheduled to begin in Davos later this week. “Now imagine 1 billion inhabitants, imagine they all move north.”

It really looks like the elites are planning a total destruction of Europe. Just as the lights go out, the people will be without guns and surrounded by millions of hostile invaders. 1 Billion. There aren't enough bullets in Europe right now to stop this.
Icepasian · 2016-01-20 22:22:00 · #6842
(01-20-2016 08:53 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(01-20-2016 06:14 PM)Roosh Wrote:  It's more likely that European countries will default economically in a Greece style scenario before criminal anarchy sets in. Sweden is fragile and now that oil has bottomed out, so is Norway. And we already know about Spain, Portugal, and Italy's economic problems. Once one falls, it will be like dominoes.

If I was a European citizen, I'd start prepping right now (food, water, cash, self-defense).

It's going to be both, Roosh. The oncoming economic collapse will be matched by a tidal wave of invaders into Europe.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-securi...lly-worse/

Davos: Europe Migrant Crisis Just Beginning, ‘Imagine One Billion’

Quote:Schwab, founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum (WEF), believes that the plummeting prices of commodities signals an economic disaster for the entire developing world, which will have devastating effects on population displacement.

“Look how many countries in Africa, for example, depend on the income from oil exports,” Schwab said in an interview prior to the WEF’s 46th annual meeting, scheduled to begin in Davos later this week. “Now imagine 1 billion inhabitants, imagine they all move north.”

It really looks like the elites are planning a total destruction of Europe. Just as the lights go out, the people will be without guns and surrounded by millions of hostile invaders. 1 Billion. There aren't enough bullets in Europe right now to stop this.

Europeans have some of the highest rates of per capita firearm ownership in the world. The only two regions that eclipse them in this regard are North America and the Arabian peninsula. If a collapse occurred, Europeans would be able to put up a fight. On top of that, realistically speaking, the logistics regarding the transportation of even 20 million people into Europe in a single year is far beyond the European Union's current capacity to accommodate, nevermind a billion. The supply lines were already strained close to their breaking point by the 1 to 2 million that arrived last year. If even 10 million people try to migrate into Europe next year, it will become nothing short of a death march superseding any that have come before it by the time they reach the shores of the northern Mediterranean. The supply lines to support that kind of migration simply do not exist and definitely not within the MENA nations that these migrants would have to cross to reach the invasion's staging points in Libya, Turkey, and Northern Morocco.

Although I'm not as pessimistic as you are, I do believe that the number attempting the trek next year will be higher than last(probably in the 2 - 5 million range), but whether the year will end before critical mass is reached is up for debate as the desire to push back is growing at an ever-increasing rate. European nations are now seeing desperate acts of overt, government-directed mass-censorship and rival parties are allying with each other across the Jacobin aisle in a way that would have been considered impossible just 3 years ago in a foolish bid to hold back the tide of what is at this moment a peaceful nationalist revolution. As JFK once stated however, those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. That is a fact. Europe is once again a powder keg packed with a multitude of incendiary elements ranging from incredibly high youth unemployment to culture clash, economic stagnation/decline, austerity, overt political suppression, broad corruption, and loss of nearly all bureaucratic legitimacy among many others. I don't predict this will end well for anyone, least of all the migrants who may very soon find themselves expelled by a continent-wide inquisition or otherwise learn about the Western elite's favorite chess maneuver: pawn sacrifice.
Gustavus Adolphus · 2016-01-20 22:22:00 · #6843
(12-12-2015 01:49 PM)scotian Wrote:  Interesting video of a US government bureaucrat (deputy assistant secretary for screening coordination, office of policy of homeland security) getting grilled on her lack of knowledge regarding the number of Syrians coming into the country, I don't understand how people like her get into these positions.



Remember this awesome video?

Looks like DHS (for the first time, I think?) is making an attempt at answering the visa overstay questions. If we are to believe the report is not just a conservative estimate, 1.17% seems like an acceptable number much lower than I expected.

You can also check out the full report on the DHS website or via the link below.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/...s-in-2015/

Quote:Last year there were 219 illegal overstays from Afghanistan, 681 from Iraq, 564 from Iran, 56 from Libya, 1,435 from Pakistan, 440 from Syria, and 219 from Yemen, according to the report. Many are still in the United States illegally.

The statistics also do not encompass land ports, meaning those numbers compiled from Latin American could be higher as result of these types of border crossings.

The 527,127 individuals found by DHS to have overstayed their visas account for 1.17 percent of the “44,928,381 nonimmigrant admissions to the United States for business or pleasure” in 2015, according to the report.
Paracelsus · 2016-01-20 22:26:00 · #6844
^^^^

First question: if they couldn't provide accurate numbers to a public forum, why do you expect DHS to provide accurate numbers now? Of course 1.17% seems like an acceptable number. That's because it's highly unlikely to be the true number. Government departments always spin. When they're under scrutiny, even more so.
Gustavus Adolphus · 2016-01-20 22:41:00 · #6845
That was my initial thought. Seems like as response of, "Less than 2%, but I can get get you the exact 2015 numbers in January, sir" would have given a lot of room for error and still answered the question- if those were the facts.

But as you said, I assume they needed time to make their spin. Saying "Technically it's about 20%, but we don't count a lot of the overstays because we have tons of excuses to exclude them from the data" wouldn't have gone over very well.
JacksonRev · 2016-01-20 23:09:00 · #6846
That 1.17% overstay number looks like what I've seen historically.

It's just that overstays aren't the problem. The problem is illegals crossing the border with no visa, "refugee" asylum, and the shear number of indentured servitude "worker" programs.
TigerMandingo · 2016-01-21 00:00:00 · #6847
(01-20-2016 10:22 PM)Icepasian Wrote:  I don't predict this will end well for anyone, least of all the migrants who may very soon find themselves expelled by a continent-wide inquisition or otherwise learn about the Western elite's favorite chess maneuver: pawn sacrifice.

Momentary thread derailment:

Be sure to check out the movie Pawn Sacrifice, about the legendary (and completely nutty) chess player Bobby Fischer. Great film.

Ok Bob, back to you at the studio.
amity · 2016-01-21 04:06:00 · #6848
I'm not certain if Schwab is another useful idiot or a more Machiavellian character insidiously trying to 'normalise' the movement of potentially hundreds of millions of migrants to Europe in coming decades.
He has a couple of kids so it's not like Merkel and other childless people with no genetic stake in the future of the West and with no concern for the havoc they are wreaking on the West which coming generations of Europeans will have to deal with.
One thing's for sure, he is fully commited to promoting r-selected politics like many around him in the WEF and similar Globalist institutions, even if it means the downfall of the West, which will unquestionably result if his talk of 'a billion moving northwards' comes to pass.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2...-migration
Parzival · 2016-01-21 05:07:00 · #6849
(01-20-2016 06:14 PM)Roosh Wrote:  It's more likely that European countries will default economically in a Greece style scenario before criminal anarchy sets in. Sweden is fragile and now that oil has bottomed out, so is Norway. And we already know about Spain, Portugal, and Italy's economic problems. Once one falls, it will be like dominoes.

If I was a European citizen, I'd start prepping right now (food, water, cash, self-defense).

http://www.bbk.bund.de/DE/Ratgeber/Vorso...sorge.html

German government gives an emergency plan out. That you should store food and water up to 14 days. It not new, it's out there for a long time.
I'm sure almost every government has some list like that.

I see the worst case scenario similar. Migrant gangs will run in the streets, shops will be empty. People avoid to go out. That the electricity drop down, I don't think so. Whole Europe is at one grid system - kind of. You can only take it out by an attack on a local station or electric wires. What could be, because of the riots that the workers don't go to work but I don't know how much it would affect the grid system direct.

Now we have Migrant camps in almost every city and village. Still the bigger cities are hit worse. Rural people are kind of different and its more ease to do your preparation there. It would be perfect when you have your own soil and can build up an almost autark house / system.
Also the people in the countryside have a lot of guns. Furthermore all those refugees know shit about logistics. They have no coordination, they fight each other in the camps too. So it would be just a violent riot mob in the streets. Its not like an attack from a foreign army that would occupy critical points of civil infrastructure.

There will be a clash, violence, rapes and deaths. Still some states in germany will handle it more easy then others. Those Cologne attacks could for example never happen in Munich. Berlin, Hamburg and many other northern cities will turn into flames.
Also many of the older generation 30+ served in the military. Military service was just dropped in 2011, still the last years only a few had to go. Those invaders will take over the big cities in the weaker states in Germany. Maybe bavaria will declare independence. This would be great.
storm · 2016-01-21 05:36:00 · #6850
If a Muslim state emerges then we are looking at a much longer possible timespan for normalization. The reconquista lasted 770 years. With uk or Russian support a northern Muslim state would at least in theory be enduring. Many states are interested in a weaker Germany.

Naturally the Germans should be the ones fighting the hardest to prevent this, but instead you see "refugees welcome". Both of those words will grow to have a bitter taste in our lifetime.
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