Migrant invasion of Europe
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Fast Eddie · 2016-01-20 03:12:00 · #6801
(01-20-2016 01:03 AM)quino_16 Wrote: And the invasion keeps getting bigger. Expect millions to come this year.
2,100% rise in migrants crossing the Mediterranean: Shocking figures reveal 31, 244 arrived in Greece during the first 16 days of 2016
Quote:31,244 migrants have made the sea journey to Greece since New Year
Migrants crossing numbers are up 21 time from this time last year
Number of new arrivals to Greece is likely to exceed 853,650 of last year
Caravaggio · 2016-01-20 03:13:00 · #6802
Governing parties in Austria want to accept no more than 30.000 rapefugees each year. Further they want to cut down payments for asylum seekers and replace them with non-cash benefits. They installed a new reception center at the Austrian/Slovenian border where everyone gets registered and eventually rejected, if they don't explicitly state to go to Germany. The military presence is getting stocked up too and they even fantasize about a 24h speed processing where people immediately get their asylum application approved/disapproved.
Let's see if they walk the talk
Source:
http://www.kleinezeitung.at/s/politik/au...gen-liegen
Let's see if they walk the talk
Source:
http://www.kleinezeitung.at/s/politik/au...gen-liegen
Latinopan · 2016-01-20 03:26:00 · #6803
(01-19-2016 07:09 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote: Brutal video from the captain, don't save them hoe's, let them feel the consequences of their actions. Would anyone here put their live on the risk and try to save a strange women from getting raped by a gang of immigrants?
Summary of what many in the manosphere have been saying for long time, replacing men with the government was a very bad move by women, now is the government itself that allows women to suffer violence.
Women greatest safety has always been the men in their lives, not a politicians in an office across the country.
SwayMe · 2016-01-20 04:03:00 · #6804
http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Politi...-bund.html
Mehr als ein Jahr müssen viele Asylbewerber auf die Bearbeitung ihrer Anträge warten. Hunderte Migranten wollen sich das nicht gefallen lassen und ziehen vor Gericht.
Mehr als 200 Asylbewerber insbesondere aus Syrien und Eritrea haben laut einem Zeitungsbericht in Nordrhein-Westfalen das Bundesamt für Migration und Flüchtlinge (Bamf) vor den Verwaltungsgerichten wegen unbearbeiteter Anträge verklagt. Damit wandten sie sich dagegen, dass ihre Asylanträge oft schon länger als ein Jahr unbearbeitet geblieben seien, berichtete die in Düsseldorf erscheinende "Rheinische Post" nach einer Umfrage bei den sieben Verwaltungsgerichten des Bundeslandes.
Mit Untätigkeitsklagen wollen die Betroffenen die Behörde demnach zwingen, ihre Anträge zu bearbeiten, damit sie eine Arbeit oder Ausbildung aufnehmen und eventuell Angehörige nachholen können.
Der nordrhein-westfälische Justizminister Thomas Kutschaty (SPD) zeigte der Zeitung zufolge Verständnis für die Klagen: "Die Ungewissheit, wann endlich über den Asylantrag entschieden wird, treibt viele Menschen in die Verzweiflung", sagte er der "Rheinischen Post". Es könne nicht sein, "dass Asylbewerber gezwungen sind, nach dem Überschreiten der Grenze den Staat zu verklagen, damit dieser endlich eine Entscheidung über ihren Asylantrag trifft".
"Menschen, die mit einer Anerkennung als Asylbewerber rechnen können, wollen nicht monatelang zum Nichtstun verdammt sein", kritisierte der Justizminister. "Ebenso wenig kann es sein, dass Asylbewerber, die keine Aussicht auf Anerkennung haben, ihren Aufenthaltsstatus durch überlange Asylverfahren des Bamf von mehr als 14 Monaten verbessern." Das Bamf erklärte demnach, keine Zahlen zu den Klagen zu haben.
2015 registrierten die deutschen Behörden 1,1 Millionen Flüchtlinge. Es wurden knapp 477.000 Asylanträge gestellt. Das war die höchste Zahl in der Geschichte der Bundesrepublik.
Translation
Asylum seekers have to wait for the processing of their requests more than a year so 200 asylum seekers form Syria and Eritrea sue the federal office for migration and refugees (Bamf).
Like this they want to fore the office to process their requests so that they can start working and get their families.
Mehr als ein Jahr müssen viele Asylbewerber auf die Bearbeitung ihrer Anträge warten. Hunderte Migranten wollen sich das nicht gefallen lassen und ziehen vor Gericht.
Mehr als 200 Asylbewerber insbesondere aus Syrien und Eritrea haben laut einem Zeitungsbericht in Nordrhein-Westfalen das Bundesamt für Migration und Flüchtlinge (Bamf) vor den Verwaltungsgerichten wegen unbearbeiteter Anträge verklagt. Damit wandten sie sich dagegen, dass ihre Asylanträge oft schon länger als ein Jahr unbearbeitet geblieben seien, berichtete die in Düsseldorf erscheinende "Rheinische Post" nach einer Umfrage bei den sieben Verwaltungsgerichten des Bundeslandes.
Mit Untätigkeitsklagen wollen die Betroffenen die Behörde demnach zwingen, ihre Anträge zu bearbeiten, damit sie eine Arbeit oder Ausbildung aufnehmen und eventuell Angehörige nachholen können.
Der nordrhein-westfälische Justizminister Thomas Kutschaty (SPD) zeigte der Zeitung zufolge Verständnis für die Klagen: "Die Ungewissheit, wann endlich über den Asylantrag entschieden wird, treibt viele Menschen in die Verzweiflung", sagte er der "Rheinischen Post". Es könne nicht sein, "dass Asylbewerber gezwungen sind, nach dem Überschreiten der Grenze den Staat zu verklagen, damit dieser endlich eine Entscheidung über ihren Asylantrag trifft".
"Menschen, die mit einer Anerkennung als Asylbewerber rechnen können, wollen nicht monatelang zum Nichtstun verdammt sein", kritisierte der Justizminister. "Ebenso wenig kann es sein, dass Asylbewerber, die keine Aussicht auf Anerkennung haben, ihren Aufenthaltsstatus durch überlange Asylverfahren des Bamf von mehr als 14 Monaten verbessern." Das Bamf erklärte demnach, keine Zahlen zu den Klagen zu haben.
2015 registrierten die deutschen Behörden 1,1 Millionen Flüchtlinge. Es wurden knapp 477.000 Asylanträge gestellt. Das war die höchste Zahl in der Geschichte der Bundesrepublik.
Translation
Asylum seekers have to wait for the processing of their requests more than a year so 200 asylum seekers form Syria and Eritrea sue the federal office for migration and refugees (Bamf).
Like this they want to fore the office to process their requests so that they can start working and get their families.
amity · 2016-01-20 04:35:00 · #6805
Merkel and EU henchmen doing their best to 'change the rules', supposedly to take the load off Greece and Italy, but really it's a way to try and railroad other EU countries to "take their share" of the invaders.
As usual, there's a few commenters on the article who see what's going on.
Man it's frustrating to see nothing being done to stop these hordes from invading Europe.
They see how soft us Western Europeans are, not enough K's, way too many r's.
There has to be a way to stop this madness...
I've posted the article below as you need to register to see it:
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d08dc262-...z3xm5R2Leb
January 19, 2016 7:24 pm
How the EU plans to overhaul ‘Dublin Regulation’ on asylum claims
Duncan Robinson in Brussels
Brussels is set to do away with rules making the first country in which a refugee arrives responsible for any asylum claim, in a major shake up of its refugee system.
The plan will be set out in March, when the European Commission unveils its reforms of the so-called Dublin Regulation rules on asylum. But what is Dublin, how did the system get into this mess and how will Brussels fix it?
What is the ‘Dublin Regulation’?
Put simply, the Dublin Regulation — or to give it its snappier official title, Regulation (EU) No 604/2013 — decides which nation is responsible for processing a refugee’s asylum claim.
While it takes into account issues such as family ties and health, the main rule is clear: the first country of entry is, in general, supposed to deal with the claim.
EU to shift refugee burden to northern states
FOR STORY GREECE STUCK IN CRISIS PHOTO GALLERY - In this photo taken on Monday, July 27, 2015, two migrants pull an overcrowded dinghy with Syrian and Afghan refugees arriving from the Turkish coast to the Greek island of Lesbos. Anyone hoping Greece might finally have a quiet year was quickly disappointed in 2015. Brinkmanship with bailout lenders brought the country a half-step from financial collapse and eurozone exit, while Greece was at the center of Europe's worst refugee crisis since World War II. (AP Photo/Santi Palacios)
End of ‘first-country’ asylum rule to ease pressure on Greece and Italy
The idea behind the rule was that responsibility would be decided quickly so that asylum seekers did not end up stuck in a game of bureaucratic ping pong between two member states.
How does it work?
If an asylum seeker turns up in, say, the Netherlands, Dutch officials are allowed to check to see if he or she has been registered elsewhere in the EU. If it turns out that the asylum seeker had their fingerprints taken in, say, Spain, the Dutch authorities could issue a “transfer” request asking Madrid to receive and handle the asylum application. Madrid could argue against accepting the claim but if there were clear evidence, such as fingerprints, it would be legally bound to do so.
What went wrong with Dublin during the refugee crisis?
A few things.
First, the sheer number of arrivals concentrated in just one or two countries overwhelmed the system. Some 850,000 people poured into Greece during 2015 alone, with nearly another 200,000 arriving in Italy. Dublin was not devised with these kind of numbers in mind.
Second, Germany stopped using it. When Angela Merkel, the chancellor, opened her arms to refugees she did so via Dublin, forfeiting Germany’s right to send hundreds of thousands of Syrians who flowed into the country back to Italy or Greece.
In depth
Europe’s migration crisis
A migrant family walk toward the border after arriving at the railway station of Botovo, near the Croatian-Hungarian border, on September 21, 2015. Hungary has emerged this year as a "frontline" state in Europe's migrant crisis, with 225,000 travelling up from Greece through the western Balkans and entering the country from Serbia and most recently Croatia. Last week Hungary sealed its southern border with Serbia, forcing tens of thousands of migrants to enter Croatia, from where many then again crossed into Hungary and headed for Austria and beyond. AFP PHOTO / STRINGER
The EU is struggling to respond to a surge of desperate migrants that has resulted in thousands of deaths since the beginning of the year
Was it just the crisis that hit Dublin?
No, it was already broken. Migrants knew about the rules and were unwilling to be fingerprinted by Italian or Greek authorities, as it reduced their chances of being able to remain in other preferred destination countries.
This attitude was matched by Italian and Greek officials, who often had little desire to force migrants to register as it increased the chances of their becoming an Italian or Greek responsibility — according to peeved officials in northern countries at least.
On top of this, member states did not bother to see through most transfers even after requesting them because deporting someone is time consuming and expensive. As a result, only 16,000 of 76,000 transfer requests were carried during 2013, according to the Migration Policy Institute.
So how will Dublin change?
Other than the demise of the “first country of entry” principle, no one knows yet. The commission has said that it will outline the changes to Dublin in March, alongside a package of other migration reforms. Until then, all options are on the table.
Officials have discussed basing the new Dublin on a relocation quota — the floundering plan to share out 160,000 asylum seekers from Italy and Greece among the rest of the EU. Member states have provided Member states have provided places for only 4,237 asylum seekers so far, while barely 300 have actually been moved.
Last week Dimitris Avramopolous, European commissioner for migration, hinted before a committee of MEPs that there would be more “solidarity” among member states, signalling the end to a few countries at the edge of Europe bearing the legal responsibility.
Will it work?
During the refugee crisis the EU has come up with a series of policies that worked well on paper but flopped in practice, notably the relocation mechanism. A renewed push on this policy would be the first step towards a properly federal asylum policy and would undoubtedly prove controversial with national capitals. But with arrivals in Greece showing no signs of slowing, Europe’s leaders may have little choice.
As usual, there's a few commenters on the article who see what's going on.
Man it's frustrating to see nothing being done to stop these hordes from invading Europe.
They see how soft us Western Europeans are, not enough K's, way too many r's.
There has to be a way to stop this madness...
I've posted the article below as you need to register to see it:
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d08dc262-...z3xm5R2Leb
January 19, 2016 7:24 pm
How the EU plans to overhaul ‘Dublin Regulation’ on asylum claims
Duncan Robinson in Brussels
Brussels is set to do away with rules making the first country in which a refugee arrives responsible for any asylum claim, in a major shake up of its refugee system.
The plan will be set out in March, when the European Commission unveils its reforms of the so-called Dublin Regulation rules on asylum. But what is Dublin, how did the system get into this mess and how will Brussels fix it?
What is the ‘Dublin Regulation’?
Put simply, the Dublin Regulation — or to give it its snappier official title, Regulation (EU) No 604/2013 — decides which nation is responsible for processing a refugee’s asylum claim.
While it takes into account issues such as family ties and health, the main rule is clear: the first country of entry is, in general, supposed to deal with the claim.
EU to shift refugee burden to northern states
FOR STORY GREECE STUCK IN CRISIS PHOTO GALLERY - In this photo taken on Monday, July 27, 2015, two migrants pull an overcrowded dinghy with Syrian and Afghan refugees arriving from the Turkish coast to the Greek island of Lesbos. Anyone hoping Greece might finally have a quiet year was quickly disappointed in 2015. Brinkmanship with bailout lenders brought the country a half-step from financial collapse and eurozone exit, while Greece was at the center of Europe's worst refugee crisis since World War II. (AP Photo/Santi Palacios)
End of ‘first-country’ asylum rule to ease pressure on Greece and Italy
The idea behind the rule was that responsibility would be decided quickly so that asylum seekers did not end up stuck in a game of bureaucratic ping pong between two member states.
How does it work?
If an asylum seeker turns up in, say, the Netherlands, Dutch officials are allowed to check to see if he or she has been registered elsewhere in the EU. If it turns out that the asylum seeker had their fingerprints taken in, say, Spain, the Dutch authorities could issue a “transfer” request asking Madrid to receive and handle the asylum application. Madrid could argue against accepting the claim but if there were clear evidence, such as fingerprints, it would be legally bound to do so.
What went wrong with Dublin during the refugee crisis?
A few things.
First, the sheer number of arrivals concentrated in just one or two countries overwhelmed the system. Some 850,000 people poured into Greece during 2015 alone, with nearly another 200,000 arriving in Italy. Dublin was not devised with these kind of numbers in mind.
Second, Germany stopped using it. When Angela Merkel, the chancellor, opened her arms to refugees she did so via Dublin, forfeiting Germany’s right to send hundreds of thousands of Syrians who flowed into the country back to Italy or Greece.
In depth
Europe’s migration crisis
A migrant family walk toward the border after arriving at the railway station of Botovo, near the Croatian-Hungarian border, on September 21, 2015. Hungary has emerged this year as a "frontline" state in Europe's migrant crisis, with 225,000 travelling up from Greece through the western Balkans and entering the country from Serbia and most recently Croatia. Last week Hungary sealed its southern border with Serbia, forcing tens of thousands of migrants to enter Croatia, from where many then again crossed into Hungary and headed for Austria and beyond. AFP PHOTO / STRINGER
The EU is struggling to respond to a surge of desperate migrants that has resulted in thousands of deaths since the beginning of the year
Was it just the crisis that hit Dublin?
No, it was already broken. Migrants knew about the rules and were unwilling to be fingerprinted by Italian or Greek authorities, as it reduced their chances of being able to remain in other preferred destination countries.
This attitude was matched by Italian and Greek officials, who often had little desire to force migrants to register as it increased the chances of their becoming an Italian or Greek responsibility — according to peeved officials in northern countries at least.
On top of this, member states did not bother to see through most transfers even after requesting them because deporting someone is time consuming and expensive. As a result, only 16,000 of 76,000 transfer requests were carried during 2013, according to the Migration Policy Institute.
So how will Dublin change?
Other than the demise of the “first country of entry” principle, no one knows yet. The commission has said that it will outline the changes to Dublin in March, alongside a package of other migration reforms. Until then, all options are on the table.
Officials have discussed basing the new Dublin on a relocation quota — the floundering plan to share out 160,000 asylum seekers from Italy and Greece among the rest of the EU. Member states have provided Member states have provided places for only 4,237 asylum seekers so far, while barely 300 have actually been moved.
Last week Dimitris Avramopolous, European commissioner for migration, hinted before a committee of MEPs that there would be more “solidarity” among member states, signalling the end to a few countries at the edge of Europe bearing the legal responsibility.
Will it work?
During the refugee crisis the EU has come up with a series of policies that worked well on paper but flopped in practice, notably the relocation mechanism. A renewed push on this policy would be the first step towards a properly federal asylum policy and would undoubtedly prove controversial with national capitals. But with arrivals in Greece showing no signs of slowing, Europe’s leaders may have little choice.
Foolsgo1d · 2016-01-20 05:43:00 · #6806
All I care about is how many ol Davey boy is going to fly in on the down low. Couldn't care less about mainland Europe and whatever their insane leaders get up to. If history tells us anything its that European mainland leaders go bat shit crazy every generation.
What Europeans should be worrying about is where all of these deported masses will end up. You kick them out of Germany, Sweden and Austria. Where are they going to go?
What Europeans should be worrying about is where all of these deported masses will end up. You kick them out of Germany, Sweden and Austria. Where are they going to go?
johnfortunebg · 2016-01-20 06:23:00 · #6807
(01-20-2016 05:43 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote: What Europeans should be worrying about is where all of these deported masses will end up. You kick them out of Germany, Sweden and Austria. Where are they going to go?
In any previous period in history, when society was sane, the answer to that question would have been very simple: back.
(01-20-2016 06:23 AM)johnfortunebg Wrote:(01-20-2016 05:43 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote: What Europeans should be worrying about is where all of these deported masses will end up. You kick them out of Germany, Sweden and Austria. Where are they going to go?
In any previous period in history, when society was sane, the answer to that question would have been very simple: back.
Yeah I don't get why people think mass deportation/repatriation is so implausible. It's already been done multiple times in the past. A simple example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos . King Phillip III of Spain booted out 4% of the Spanish population.
It's just a reclamation of territory.
"Sorry guys, the leftists have been purged, your welcome just ran out, time to go home".
"We don't want to"
"Well then, I guess we'll both be getting old-school".
johnfortunebg · 2016-01-20 07:45:00 · #6809
(01-20-2016 07:42 AM)Phoenix Wrote:(01-20-2016 06:23 AM)johnfortunebg Wrote:(01-20-2016 05:43 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote: What Europeans should be worrying about is where all of these deported masses will end up. You kick them out of Germany, Sweden and Austria. Where are they going to go?
In any previous period in history, when society was sane, the answer to that question would have been very simple: back.
Yeah I don't get why people think mass deportation/repatriation is so implausible. It's already been done multiple times in the past. A simple example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos . King Phillip III of Spain booted out 4% of the Spanish population.
It's just a reclamation of territory.
"Sorry guys, the leftists have been purged, your welcome just ran out, time to go home".
"We don't want to"
"Well then, I guess we'll both be getting old-school".
In Bulgarian hostory, there have been massive (semi-)forced transfers of population between the Bulgarian and the Byzantine empires depending on how the conquests ended. We are talking 20+% of the populations of certain regions in the very least. And that was possible with 10th century weapons and transport technology.
Shit happens when you throw away idiotic, meaningless and evolutionary harmful abstractions like 'human rights'.
SwayMe · 2016-01-20 08:16:00 · #6810
http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Politi...r-ein.html
Austria wants to impose an upper limit on the amount of refugees that it can accepts annually which is 37.500
Until the year 2019 they want to limit it to an amount of 127.500
There are still alot of things unclear so they discuss it on wednesday.
Spielfeld, Austria should stay the only place where refugees can enter the country, starting on february.
Quote:Österreich will die Aufnahme von Flüchtlingen deckeln und in diesem Jahr nur noch 37.500 Asylbewerber aufnehmen. Bundeskanzler Faymann spricht von einer "Notlösung", die die EU "aufrütteln" soll.
Österreich will die Aufnahme von Flüchtlingen deckeln und in diesem Jahr nur noch 37.500 Asylbewerber aufnehmen. Bis 2019 sollen es insgesamt maximal 127.500 sein. Darauf hat sich die Regierungskoalition am Mittwoch in Wien geeinigt. Bundeskanzler Werner Faymann (SPÖ) kündigte zudem an, die Grenzkontrollen "massiv" aufzustocken.
Die Aufnahmekapazität orientiert sich demnach am Wert von 1,5 Prozent der Bevölkerung. Bei acht Millionen Einwohnern würde Österreich damit in den kommenden drei oder vier Jahren insgesamt 120.000 Flüchtlinge aufnehmen. Darüber, wie viele Jahre genau, sind sich die Koalitionspartner allerdings uneins. Die Volkspartei von Vizekanzler Reinhold Mitterlehner plädiert für vier Jahre und damit rund 30.000 Flüchtlinge im Jahr, die Sozialdemokraten von Kanzler Werner Faymann wollen die 120.000 auf drei Jahre verteilen – damit wären es rund 40.000 pro Jahr.
Zeitraum ist noch umstritten
Die Regierung berät am Mittwoch über den Kurs in der Flüchtlingspolitik. Umstritten war zunächst offenbar, ob die Grenze von 120.000 Flüchtlingen für einen Zeitraum von drei oder vier Jahren gelten soll. Entsprechend läge die Anzahl bei 30.000 oder 40.000 Flüchtlingen pro Jahr. Unklar ist auch noch, was geschieht, wenn die Grenze erreicht ist. Die Regierung denkt dem "Kurier"-Bericht zufolge darüber nach, Asylanträge eine Zeit lang nicht mehr zu bearbeiten und Wartezonen im Grenzgebiet einzuführen. 2015 stellten rund 85.000 Menschen einen Asylantrag in Österreich.
Unterdessen begann an der österreichisch-slowenischen Grenze der Probebetrieb des sogenannten Grenzmanagements: Am Grenzübergang Spielfeld werden Flüchtlinge zukünftig einzeln kontrolliert. Danach wird einem Bericht des ORF zufolge überprüft, ob sie nach Österreich einreisen dürfen oder zurück nach Slowenien geschickt werden. Spielfeld soll ab Februar als einziger Grenzübertritt für Flüchtlinge geöffnet bleiben. Vergangenes Jahr beantragten in Österreich mit seinen rund 8,5 Millionen Einwohnern fast 90.000 Menschen Asyl.
20.01.2016 | 13:43 Uhr, zuletzt aktualisiert um 14:03 Uhr
Austria wants to impose an upper limit on the amount of refugees that it can accepts annually which is 37.500
Until the year 2019 they want to limit it to an amount of 127.500
There are still alot of things unclear so they discuss it on wednesday.
Spielfeld, Austria should stay the only place where refugees can enter the country, starting on february.
Samseau · 2016-01-20 10:05:00 · #6811
I am 99% sure that all of these agreements mean jack shit. The amount of Muzzies that have made it into Europe have already established supply lines and smuggle routes. People are getting into European countries illegally all the time, and no one is doing anything to stop it. Even when governments say they aren't taking more than X number, it's just a bluff. The muzzies will show up and the military/police is not allowed to touch them, end of story.
For example,
Jihadists are flooding Britain with cannabis from the Albanian drug farm as intelligence experts warn that Islamist extremism is taking hold in Europe
Fact is, now that the camel has gotten his head inside the tent, the rest of the body will follow. The EU has become irrelevant at this point since they refuse to use military action.
For example,
Jihadists are flooding Britain with cannabis from the Albanian drug farm as intelligence experts warn that Islamist extremism is taking hold in Europe
Quote:Jihadists are flooding Britain with cannabis from the Albanian drug farm as intelligence experts warn that Islamist extremism is taking hold in Europe
In Albania Islamic State is raising cash for its terror campaign by running cannabis farms and shipping the drug to Britain.
The evil caliphate has seized control of a $4billion Mafia marijuana growing operation in the rural mountains of Albania – giving it a foothold in Europe.
Private jets and ships take the £4billion-a-year harvest to Mafia bosses in Italy, who distribute it, the Sunday People reports.
ISIS moved into the lucrative trade after security services fought their way into an Albanian Mafia HQ in the hill village of Lazarat.
Far from putting paid to cannabis farming, the 2014 raid cleared the way for extremists to take over by removing the Mafia.
ISIS now recruit in the area – often from the Mafia itself.
Fact is, now that the camel has gotten his head inside the tent, the rest of the body will follow. The EU has become irrelevant at this point since they refuse to use military action.
Yatagan · 2016-01-20 10:20:00 · #6812
(01-20-2016 07:42 AM)Phoenix Wrote:(01-20-2016 06:23 AM)johnfortunebg Wrote:(01-20-2016 05:43 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote: What Europeans should be worrying about is where all of these deported masses will end up. You kick them out of Germany, Sweden and Austria. Where are they going to go?
In any previous period in history, when society was sane, the answer to that question would have been very simple: back.
Yeah I don't get why people think mass deportation/repatriation is so implausible. It's already been done multiple times in the past. A simple example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Moriscos . King Phillip III of Spain booted out 4% of the Spanish population.
It's just a reclamation of territory.
"Sorry guys, the leftists have been purged, your welcome just ran out, time to go home".
"We don't want to"
"Well then, I guess we'll both be getting old-school".
It's because it's driven by muh feelz and people that ultimately don't want any of the dregs expelled to begin with.
A more recent example of mass deportation was the Greek-Turkish population transfer that involved two million people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population...and_Turkey
Or better yet, an even more recent and widespread mass deportation, the twelve million germans from territories outside post-WWII Germany/Austria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and...2%80%9350)
If such can be done to people who have lived in these territories for generations, there's logically no reason why interloping culturally alien and illegal alien muslims with no roots in any of these european countries can't be expelled.
RexImperator · 2016-01-20 10:58:00 · #6813
There are a lot of applicable laws and signed conventions (EU and UN)...and Germans are all about following the rules.
eradicator · 2016-01-20 12:45:00 · #6814
(01-20-2016 10:20 AM)Seboist Wrote: If such can be done to people who have lived in these territories for generations, there's logically no reason why interloping culturally alien and illegal alien muslims with no roots in any of these european countries can't be expelled.
I am of two minds on this: if the invaders have no paper trail, how can you possibly organize the deportation of 2M rapefugees? My first thought is to follow the benefits trail, if they're being given some sort of money through government welfare, that should be enough, should it not?
But I think a necessary first step is to stop welcoming invaders in the first place, otherwise they will just get on a bus and come right back, after getting deported.
8ball · 2016-01-20 12:49:00 · #6815
Quote:Lagarde: migrants can boost EU growth, if states share burdenLINK
Quote:An influx of refugees into Europe need not harm its economy, provided there is an EU agreement on distributing migrants more evenly across the continent, an International Monetary Fund report has found.
The staff report touts the potential economic benefits of migration at a time when EU leaders are facing a growing backlash from citizens concerned about their ability to cope with so many newcomers and the strain they place on public services.
Yet the IMF’s conclusion is likely to add to the rancorous fight among member states over plans to share the burden of refugees more evenly. A proposal from Brussels to do just that has proved politically toxic in many nations.
While EU leaders agreed — under heavy pressure from Brussels and Berlin — to relocate some 160,000 refugees already in Europe, they have only managed to move 322 so far.
Introducing the report at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Christine Lagarde, the IMF chief, challenged their resistance, saying there was an “upside potential” from migration and that if policies were adopted to integrate entrants into domestic labour markets quickly, they could benefit the economy without harming the prospects of host nation nationals.
“The current surge in refugees is a challenge with an upside potential. With appropriate policies, this rich source of human capital can be harnessed with benefits for everyone,” she said.
Ms Lagarde’s remarks will lend support to Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, who is facing growing unrest for her decision to open the country to mass immigration.
Ms Merkel will travel today to Bavaria, where opposition to migration is particularly strong, a day after 44 MPs from her political bloc signed a letter calling for the chancellor to change her policy.
Meanwhile, government officials in neighbouring Austria are expected to debate concrete measures on Wednesday to reduce migrant inflows.
In the short term, the IMF paper said that additional spending on migrants increased growth of gross domestic product “modestly” through increases in public spending to support migrants’ needs in housing, food, health and education.
The IMF estimated that the fiscal cost of migration across Europe would range in 2016 from almost 1 per cent of national income in Sweden to almost nothing in Spain, the UK and Cyprus.
When calculating the effects on growth, the fund thought that EU GDP would increase marginally by 0.09 per cent in 2016 and 0.13 per cent in 2017, but with significantly larger effects in Sweden, Germany and Austria.
Austrian GDP is estimated to be 0.5 per cent higher than otherwise in 2017.
The staff paper concluded: “The sooner the refugees gain employment, the more they will help the public finances by paying income tax and social security contributions. Their successful labour market integration will also counter some of the adverse fiscal effects of population ageing”.
In the medium term, the effects of migration were potentially more beneficial, the IMF paper noted, but depended on the speed of migrants’ integration into the host country’s labour market.
Examining previous episodes of migration, the IMF paper said immigrants often integrated slowly into hosts’ labour markets, with higher unemployment rates and lower participation in the labour force.
In Germany, migrants tend to earn 20 per cent less than domestic employees with similar characteristics, but there is a gradual but not full catch-up in wage levels.
The IMF recommended countries allow migrants to swiftly access labour markets — particularly in low-paid jobs without high minimum wages — wage subsidies to employers taking on migrants, low barriers to self-employment and moving to those places with the highest demand for labour.
If this was achieved, “quick labour market integration can unlock the potential economic benefits of the refugee inflow”.
Recognising that refugees might be different from previous waves of economic migrants, Ms Lagarde nevertheless attempted to reassure host country populations. “Native workers are often concerned that refugees will lower wages … [but] past experience suggests these effects tend to be limited and temporary”.
The IMF said studies showed that the long-term budgetary consequences of migration depended almost entirely on the labour market integration of refugees, but it concluded that “the impact of the refugee inflow on pension spending is likely to be favourable but small”.
So basically this is a shitty version of the Toronto Growth Model, mass migration leading to a mass construction boom. With the major difference of the caliber of the migrants. Toronto usually gets top notch migration while europe will receive the bottom of the pit. This "invasion" is fully supported by the top of the Globalists and i am afraid the worst has yet to come. This is what happens when you think of everyone as a number. The EU leaders and the Bankers couldn't give a flying fuck as long as GDP is increased by an additional .9%.
Libertas · 2016-01-20 13:04:00 · #6816
They also simply cannot understand that even for that marginal .09% growth, their assumptions require that these people have skills, will not increase crime and social distrust, etc. The assumptions also require that these people want to work. The reality of course is that well over 90% of these people have zero skills to bring to a modern economy and most just want to live off the teat anyway, so whatever "growth" there is will be in government spending.
But of course that's what happens when you see the world as globs of GDP and everyone as an atomized individual homo economicus. People are simply cogs on a machine, levers that can be manipulated, and there's no human or cultural factor at all.
But of course that's what happens when you see the world as globs of GDP and everyone as an atomized individual homo economicus. People are simply cogs on a machine, levers that can be manipulated, and there's no human or cultural factor at all.
Mike5055 · 2016-01-20 13:09:00 · #6817
The IMF, as usual, is wrong. Good luck integrating migrant labor when they don't speak the language, don't want to work, or worse.
Your "growth" will be short lived and result in an economic catastrophe.
Your "growth" will be short lived and result in an economic catastrophe.
RexImperator · 2016-01-20 13:19:00 · #6818
How can the European economy possibly "integrate" or employ so many people with less than the equivalent of a high school diploma? They would have to repeal the lower limits on wages and become like India, where people get paid for doing inefficient things like mowing the lawn with hand shears.
Samseau · 2016-01-20 13:19:00 · #6819
Let's see guys. President Obama said in his last State of the Union address that the US economy has never been doing better.
Meanwhile, the DOW looks like it's going to sink below 15K soon. The truth is always easy to figure out: take the reverse of what the traitors are saying.
Truth: Migrants will destroy EU growth, especially if states share burden
Meanwhile, the DOW looks like it's going to sink below 15K soon. The truth is always easy to figure out: take the reverse of what the traitors are saying.
Quote:Lagarde: migrants can boost EU growth, if states share burden
Truth: Migrants will destroy EU growth, especially if states share burden
RexImperator · 2016-01-20 13:22:00 · #6820
It is possible to boost GDP while simultaneously redistributing the gains upwards. Thus the majority loses out while a select few reap the benefits.
8ball · 2016-01-20 13:35:00 · #6821
How many new bank accounts have been opened in germany since the invasion. Or will be opened up?I would be very interested in not only the # of new accounts but also the average balance.
The migrants paid off smugglers to reach the european shores so they must have some money. If lets say the average balance is 3k$(some of these guys have paid thousands already to smugglers) at 600,000 new accounts(assuming only 60% open up accounts due to some being children or having no ID/money etc) then thats 18 billion$ for the banks.
The migrants paid off smugglers to reach the european shores so they must have some money. If lets say the average balance is 3k$(some of these guys have paid thousands already to smugglers) at 600,000 new accounts(assuming only 60% open up accounts due to some being children or having no ID/money etc) then thats 18 billion$ for the banks.
Fast Eddie · 2016-01-20 13:37:00 · #6822
This is why people like the head of the IMF get paid the big bucks, gentlemen!
What Ms Lagardere says is very true. Borrowing money to build housing for rapefugees will indeed boost GDP. But borrowing money to build houses that will stand empty will boost GDP by the exact same amount, and you won't have rapes. So why not just do that instead?
Fuck, Lagarde, why not just do what economists love to do and "assume" 5 million rapefugees, leading to the borrowing of mucho dinero and the construction of even more housing, boosting GDP further? After all, it's not like a house full of rapefugees generates any more rental income than an empty house, and the empty house has much less depreciation.
In fact, why stop there? Why not assume we have been blessed by the arrival of 10 million unicorns, necessitating the construction of thousands of "Unicorn Hotels?" Think about how much money it would take to build those hotels, and how much bigger GDP will get after we borrow the money and spend it on their construction!
Sure, the unicorns don't exist and nobody is going to occupy these hotels and recoup the cost of their construction, but then again the rapefugees are not going to be paying for the buildings erected on their behalf, either, so it's a wash from that perspective. And yes, you guessed it: assumed unicorns don't rape.
So yeah, here is my suggestion after reading the IMF's outstanding analysis:
Instead of borrowing and spending money on millions of rapefugees to boost GDP, I propose we skip the step where we actually import the rapefugees and go directly to the borrowing and spending money part. The GDP will never know the difference!
What Ms Lagardere says is very true. Borrowing money to build housing for rapefugees will indeed boost GDP. But borrowing money to build houses that will stand empty will boost GDP by the exact same amount, and you won't have rapes. So why not just do that instead?
Fuck, Lagarde, why not just do what economists love to do and "assume" 5 million rapefugees, leading to the borrowing of mucho dinero and the construction of even more housing, boosting GDP further? After all, it's not like a house full of rapefugees generates any more rental income than an empty house, and the empty house has much less depreciation.
In fact, why stop there? Why not assume we have been blessed by the arrival of 10 million unicorns, necessitating the construction of thousands of "Unicorn Hotels?" Think about how much money it would take to build those hotels, and how much bigger GDP will get after we borrow the money and spend it on their construction!
Sure, the unicorns don't exist and nobody is going to occupy these hotels and recoup the cost of their construction, but then again the rapefugees are not going to be paying for the buildings erected on their behalf, either, so it's a wash from that perspective. And yes, you guessed it: assumed unicorns don't rape.
So yeah, here is my suggestion after reading the IMF's outstanding analysis:
Instead of borrowing and spending money on millions of rapefugees to boost GDP, I propose we skip the step where we actually import the rapefugees and go directly to the borrowing and spending money part. The GDP will never know the difference!
Parzival · 2016-01-20 13:45:00 · #6823
(01-20-2016 10:58 AM)RexImperator Wrote: There are a lot of applicable laws and signed conventions (EU and UN)...and Germans are all about following the rules.
I'm not an expert on law but what's out there: Merkel brake German and EU law or at least some contracts.
And no, we can not integrate them all. We have since 20 years already huge failure with Muslim Immigrants and integration. Those people can not speak german, not even english, have no skills and we have Millions of Germans with also no education that have no jobs.
In Germany we have no cheap labour, no basic jobs in manufacturing. Even a factory worker is kind of a skilled expert. Those people have nothing. What should they do? Cleaning jobs? Germany will become so clean, great. But with such a job you can not make a living. Government has to support you.
Less then 10 % will go into the work market, maybe. German companies don't plan to rise employees in 2016 but want to increase production. Its also a fucking joke when you finish a university in Germany with an engineering degree you still have to apply a lot to get a job. And then they tell us we need those people?
All the economic institutes like IMF and others pray for the refugees because they are on the companies side. The more workforce you have, the more pressure you can create to lower wages or at least not rise them.
8ball · 2016-01-20 13:59:00 · #6824
This is old but very relevant:
Quote:Germany to oblige banks to offer accounts to refugeeshttp://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-...5B20151028
Quote:Germany's cabinet signed off on a draft law on Wednesday which will make it easier for hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers in the country to set up bank accounts.
Under the new rules, everyone will have the right to access basic banking services, including the homeless and people who fall under the protection of the Geneva Convention on Refugees.
This means that migrants will be able to open accounts at any bank, enabling them to deposit and withdraw cash, carry out bank transfers, set up direct debits and make payments with cards.
Germany expects between 800,000 to one million people, many fleeing war zones in the Middle East and Africa, to arrive this year, although not all of them will be given asylum. Giving refugees access to current accounts is seen as a vital first step to help them integrate them into society.
"Those who don't have a bank account, don't have good prospects on the labour market. Hunting for a flat is also a problem for many people without an account," said Justice Minister Heiko Maas.
In Germany, the number of people without a bank account is in the high six figures, according to estimates by the European Commission, and that figure is expected to rise due to the influx of refugees.
Until now, only a few saving banks, which are publicly owned or controlled, have accepted refugees as customers. Asylum seekers were often turned away by other banks since they had no fixed address or lacked the necessary documents.
Under the draft law, which must be approved by parliament to go into effect, all banks that offer current accounts would be obliged to do so for a wider group of consumers.
Last month, Germany's financial watchdog Bafin said it was going to allow banks to accept a broader spectrum of documents, such as papers provided by Germany's immigration authorities.
The draft law also obliges banks to become more transparent about their charges and make it easier for customers to change bank accounts.
8ball · 2016-01-20 14:02:00 · #6825
I am trying to find how many New accounts and an estimated average balance. Perhaps someone German can find something in the German media.
Also are investment banks and savings banks separate by law in Germany?
Also are investment banks and savings banks separate by law in Germany?