The other key thing besides border security is not to let people stay in if they get in illegally, and to stop giving them free stuff. Then they will get the message that the trip isn't worth it.
Treat them humanely, but basically set up some islands in the Mediterranean with detention centers and put them there until sending them back.
(01-15-2016 10:43 AM)RexImperator Wrote: The other key thing besides border security is not to let people stay in if they get in illegally, and to stop giving them free stuff. Then they will get the message that the trip isn't worth it.
That would require all the refugees to possess documentation and to have been properly processed upon entry. In so many cases, they simply don't know where these people come from, or even exactly how many have entered. This has made future repatriation almost impossible. The ones already there are there to stay.
Remember that when someone says that something isn't stoppable, it's usually a linguistic trick to try to get you to accept defeat in your mind, and like Donald Trump says in Crippled America, if you can accept the possibility of losing, you've already lost.
Pay no attention to globalists who say "migration" can't be stopped. What they're really saying is "muh open society, muh equality, muh 'human rights', muh cheap labor."
Fuck them.
Also Australia's policy hasn't led to any deaths at all I believe, so setting up detention centers on islands and putting them all there should actually be less dangerous than what's going on now, as Australia stopped the deaths by sea.
Quote:Swimming pool in Bornheim (small town in NRW, in the same area as Cologne) temporarily closed for male asylum seekers, after female swimmers and pool attendants complained "more and more" about sexual harrasement.
(01-15-2016 09:36 AM)The Thraex Wrote: My consciousness is clear as my ancestors were the purest of the pure.
Were your ancestors goat and prepubescent boys' fuckers by any chance?
This is typical muslim attitude - all others are at fault, I DINDU NUFFIN', MY PEOPLE WERE A GOOD BOY.
I'm Bulgarian Orthodox Christian. You?
Благодаря за гостоприемното посрещане.
The fact that you (claim to be) from my country brings me shame, yes. Weak sell-outs like you are exactly the sort of people we don't need.
Care to elaborate how exactly I am a sell-out or you're just singing along with the choir?
(01-15-2016 10:43 AM)RexImperator Wrote: The other key thing besides border security is not to let people stay in if they get in illegally, and to stop giving them free stuff. Then they will get the message that the trip isn't worth it.
That would require all the refugees to possess documentation and to have been properly processed upon entry. In so many cases, they simply don't know where these people come from, or even exactly how many have entered. This has made future repatriation almost impossible. The ones already there are there to stay.
And there's the rub.
Every migrant chancer under the sun knows this now, thanks to social media and migrant rights groups and NGOs informing them of their "rights" (ie. whatever means, whether legal or illegal, they can use to trick or outwit immigration officers).
So expect the number of people who just happen to have no papers, (despite not coming from a war torn situation) to turn up in Europe in coming months.
This stuff has to be nipped in the bud in 2016 if Europe is to have any chance of restoring some kind of order and warding off the tens of millions who will no doubt try to come to Europe in the coming decade.
Massive respect to Easter European countries for having the balls to face down the cowards and r-selected idiots who shout 'Nazi' and 'Racist' at them for merely defending their countries from invasion and putting their people first rather than capitulating to the civilisation ending doctrines of Globalism.
We need Trump to win if we're going to have a chance of sorting out this mess. Also Merkel must be removed from the halls of power in Germany and Europe come next election.
Surely the Germans will not forget the damage she has done and knowingly continues to do, despite the rapes, deaths, muggings and intimidation that have resulted from her policies, not to mention the economic costs which everyone (bar the migrants of course) will pay for.
(01-15-2016 10:43 AM)RexImperator Wrote: The other key thing besides border security is not to let people stay in if they get in illegally, and to stop giving them free stuff. Then they will get the message that the trip isn't worth it.
That would require all the refugees to possess documentation and to have been properly processed upon entry. In so many cases, they simply don't know where these people come from, or even exactly how many have entered. This has made future repatriation almost impossible. The ones already there are there to stay.
Dump them on the Libyan coastline. I'm dead serious. They'll find their way back home. They're not your citizens and there is nothing in the universe that states that you have to care about their fate. After you do that, they'll simply stop coming.
It's not humane, I know, but then again, the problems they cause in the societies they infiltrate aren't humane to the citizens who are already being robbed via taxation to pay for them either. If anyone's going to be treated inhumanely, it might as well be the ones who are already breaking the law.
Australia now has bipartisan support on concentration camps offshore and resettlement to Cambodia / PNG / 3rd world shitholes for people making an attempted crossing by sea. Boats get towed back. The UN Treaty on Refugees is disregarded for the most part despite Australia being a signatory.
As heinous as it sounds, and for sure no one is proud to use such brutal tactics, this policy does save lives. Australia rolled back the barbarism post-Howard in favour of humane treatment but the irony lay in a sudden spike of deaths, people getting dashed against rocks of Easter Island or just drowning en masse somewhere in the Indian Ocean. Australians accepted there was no such thing as a "humane solution", only a practical solution, which on balance is probably more humane than any of the alternatives.
Europe's struggle is that it is not a singular country but a political organisation of numerous countries each with differing views. Agreement is needed across the board for practical measures to be taken in places like the Greek/Turkish border, the Aegean, the Mediterranean basin etc. Europe hasn't confronted the moral darkness Australia has already faced honestly and decided upon. Germany hasn't yet announced that in 2016 there will be no more refugees.
There is far too much respect for treaties, liberalism and moralism to do what would be necessary to take decisive action at present. The European mindset, or more accurately the German mindset, has been gravely shaped by a shared history of total war, human rights abuses, internments and genocide. Dealing with that past will not be easy.
Quote:A former Dutch soldier has been arrested on suspicion of involvement in the killing of combatants from the Islamic State group in Syria while fighting with a Kurdish militia.Prosecutors say the suspect, whose identity was not released in line with Dutch privacy rules, fought with a Kurdish militia in Syria known as YPG, or People's Protection Units, which has become a main force fighting IS militants.
The 47-year-old man appeared Friday before an investigating judge in Rotterdam and was released on condition he turn in his passport, to prevent him from returning to Syria.
Prosecutors say killing IS fighters could lead to murder charges.
Quote:The Dutch Muslim fighters who have to date returned from Syria have not been arrested and prosecuted but have been given a job or course and accommodation. An estimated 20 men have returned from Syria and have been taken up in ‘deradicalization’ courses on return to the Netherlands. The program involves finding the men training and jobs, and arranging homes for them if necessary.
The Cuck Cup just got more competitive. Sweden are the favorites based on polls but Germany and Holland seem to want it bad as well.
(01-15-2016 11:21 AM)Icepasian Wrote: Dump them on the Libyan coastline. I'm dead serious. They'll find their way back home.
I'd bet that if you made that the stated policy - no papers, no country of origin, you get a one-way ticket to Libya or some other undesirable default location - any "migrants" about to be deported would remember their country of origin and/or find their missing passport/documentation right quick.
(01-15-2016 10:17 AM)Que enspastic Wrote: MASS MIGRATION INTO EUROPE IS UNSTOPPABLE
In the long run I expect the nativists to lose, not because their demands are unpopular but because they are unenforceable. It may be possible for island nations surrounded by the Pacific Ocean, such as Japan or Australia, to maintain strict controls on immigration. It will be all but impossible for an EU that is part of a Eurasian landmass and is separated from Africa only by narrow stretches of the Mediterranean.
European nations can build walls. It's not impossible or hard by any means. It just takes the will to do what is necessary. Guarding your nation's borders with guns tends to work. It doesn't matter how many millions are trying to knock down your door when your door is protected by machine gun nests. There's this defeatist idea that just because the third world is multiplying in population means that they will be able to swarm the borders no matter what. Well guess what, that's not true. Just as millions of people in the Eastern Bloc were kept in because of fences, walls, and men with rifles, the same idea can be applied to keeping people out. It's not rocket science. See modern Hungary or the history of the DDR for an example of how this works.
Even non-very-wealthy countries, like for example Morocco or the Dominican Republic, are quite successful in defending their borders with soldiers, watch-towers and fences... so, of course very developed nations could do an even better job securing borders. It's been (successfully) done for centuries, but somehow we just lost the will to do it, to defend our borders, in the Western world...
"The fortifications lie in uninhabited or very sparsely inhabited territory. They consist of sand and stone walls or berms about three meters in height, with bunkers, fences and landmines throughout. The barrier minebelt that runs along the structure is thought to be the longest continuous minefield in the world. Military bases, artillery posts and airfields dot the Moroccan-controlled side of the wall at regular intervals, and radar masts and other electronic surveillance equipment scan the areas in front of it."
Quote:A German town has sent a bus carrying 31 Syrian refugees to Chancellor Angela Merkel's office in Berlin in protest at her open-door migrant policy. Landshut in Bavaria said it was buckling under the strain of an influx that brought 1.1 million migrants to Germany last year.
The town's mayor Peter Dreier said he organised the seven-hour journey after residents told him "it's time we set a limit".
I honesty can't tell if this is brilliant socio-political activism or trolling of the highest order, but either way it's hilarious.
Quote:"We are trying to help these people integrate. But that won't work if this year we face another wave of one million, or even more," Mr Dreier added.
Pro-refugee campaigners condemned the trip as a publicity stunt that exploited the refugees, who are all Syrian men with asylum status, meaning they are free to live anywhere in Germany.
Women and children first, eh?
Quote:Mr Dreier, who travelled to Berlin separately by car, said he was disappointed by Ms Merkel's refusal to engage, calling it "an attempt to ignore and negate" the problem.
Left-wing political policy that ignores the issues it creates?
In other news, water is wet. More at 11.
Quote:Guenther Burkhardt, head of German refugee support group Pro Asyl, criticised the trip, saying "people are being exploited for the sake of media footage".
And what exactly was it when the photos of dead Syrian children were being broadcast hourly?
What's truly scary about this article is that it is 2.5 years old. That means the people in charge have been planning for a Muslim army for a long time.
Certainly the preparations for WW3 have been going on far longer than any of us have realized. The Jews don't let go of grudges, and they really want Germany dead.
Amazing how Germany will be at the center of yet another World War. What is so special about this place?
Police Crack Down As 13,000-Strong Anti-Rape Vigilante Groups Emerge Across Europe
Quote:Europeans are organising into self-defence groups in reaction to the failure of their own governments to protect them from migrant invaders, with one group boasting 13,000 supporters alone.
Founded last week and reported on at the time by Breitbart London, the ‘Dusseldorf is Watching’ group which proclaims “one for all, and all for one” and has already gone on patrols and has grown to 13,000 supporters in eight days. It is just one of a growing number of so-called vigilante groups emerging across Germany and other European nations who patrol streets or dispense spontaneous justice in place of the regular police.
Similar to the Dusseldorf group is the new ‘Kassel is Watching’ group, founded in the central German city this week. Already enjoying over 2,000 supporters, the patrols are organised through instant messaging app ‘WhatsApp’ and Facebook. The mobile phone messenger allows crimes to be quickly reported to the group by members of the public and for volunteers to instantly receive updates and the locations of flashpoints.
Other ‘watching’ groups apparently organised along similar lines and vowing to go out on foot and in cars on patrols have also been established in the PEGIDA home-state of Saxony, the city of Brunswick, Frankfurt, and Hamburg, among others.
While police have failed to make any sizeable number of arrests following the new year’s eve sex attacks, they have acted with commendable efficiency in arresting those opposing migrant rape gangs, including the ‘Hero of Cologne’ Ivan Jurevic. Standing at seven feet tall and enjoying a catalogue of world body building championship titles the former special forces soldier became a minor internet celebrity after uploading his account of “beating up” migrants who tried to molest girls, as reported by Breitbart London.
Telling of his astonishment at the behaviour of the immigrant attackers and saying “I always thought this stuff would be some sort of right wing propaganda. But it was real!”, Mr. Jurevic was arrested this weekend after he decided to put his unique skills to use and joined a vigilante patrol, reports the Daily Mail.
Hoping to discourage others from trying their luck, police have also issued warnings to would-be vigilantes that law enforcement is a game best left to the professionals.
In response to the Kassel group a spokesman for the regional police was moved to remark: “To protect the citizens is the sole responsibility of the state. The police are responsible for public safety. This task they will continue to fulfil in the normal way”.
That the police performing their duties normally would result in citizens feeling well protected was met with some mirth by the leaders of the vigilante group. Posting a riposte on their Facebook page, Kassel is Watching remarked the police engaging on a course of business as usual reassured them their new status as vigilantes was “the right one”.
Responding to a group of football hooligans blurring the lines between vigilante justice and violent retribution this week, police made 211 arrests after a group smashed up kebab shops and other businesses in a left wing-voting district of Leipzig. Press photographs of the incident showed businesses with ‘refugee welcome’ signs hanging from their shops having had their windows smashed.
The phenomenon isn’t confined to Germany. A new video being shared on social media from LiveLeak and claiming to show the aftermath of an attempted mugging this week in Austria demonstrates the instant justice being dispensed in a Europe where faith in the legal system to bring redress has broken down. Although the video hasn’t been positively confirmed, it appears to show a group of Austrians fighting with migrants after one attempted to rob a 27 year old man.
Further north in Finland, police have reacted with concern to the emergence of anti-migration vigilante groups patrolling city streets, watching out for trouble and so-called “Islamist intruders”. The so-called ‘Soldiers of Odin’ group claim to be acting scouts for the police, calling in officers if they witness any crimes being committed, augmenting the work of the regular force which finds itself severely overstretched.
Despite their apparently good intentions, Finnish police have taken an equally dim view of the groups as German forces, stating in a press release: “As a matter of principle, police are responsible for law and order in the country”. Yet the Finnish force is not yet pursuing the group, admitting if they don’t stray outside of their intended purpose no laws have been broken.
The establishment Soldiers of Odin follow a violent confrontation at the Finnish border last year, as coach-loads of refugees were pelted with rocks and fireworks by Finnish nationalists as they attempted to cross the frontier. A petrol bomb was also thrown, as reported by Breitbart London at the time.
In the immediate aftermath of the attacks the newly arrived migrants appealed to police, concerned that Finland may not have been the safe northern European country they were promised.
Imagine this... your daughter is being raped in the streets by Muzzies and you step in to intervene only for a police officer to point a gun at you and arrest you.
Civil War right around the corner now, it won't be long before regular Germans are killing cops or telling the cops, "You're with us or against us."
That's not bad trolling,but would have been a lot better if he could have got like 20 of the villages that are overrun with migrant invaders to all send a busload of migrants to Merkel's office so that all of the invaders arrive the same day. That would have been a much stronger troll job
(01-15-2016 01:27 PM)Mike5055 Wrote: Regarding the issue of not knowing where they came from, they have all said they're Syrian refugees. So dump them in the middle of Syria!
Golan Heights Israel used to belong to Syria until Israel annexed it. It's right next door to Syria, used to be part of Syria, and is fertile and safe. Come on Israel step up and help. Bring the refugees to the Golan Heights.
3 Syrian refugees of 12 and 13 years old, who reside in France, harassed 2 girls on a train in Belgium and they were released after being heard "but are being sought for again because the women filed a complaint".
Germany can close the borders if the politicians want. At the moment there are even former constitution judges there that say Merkel brake the law and lost control. She would just lose more face when she confess a mistake. So she push her agenda on.
We can close the borders. We can track all the refugees in Germany down. We can sort out who has a legal right to stay and who not. Imagine what a country like Germany had done in world war II. If hard tasks are necessary we can carry them out. But we are driven by guilt and a wrong ideology of humanism. We sacrifice our own for the sake of a morality that should make us feel better. By this you will lose everything in the end. You can not build and lead a nation on feelings and moral. You need to consider facts too. The world is a cruel place and its not fair. Like Australia we need to protect Europe from this invasion. Spain protect its border. They do not face an invasion. What Germany lack is the willpower. Its the same mentality that did not revolt against Hitler in the last days and fight till the end. The same mentality hold us back to stand up against the traitor Merkel. Germans need flames to wake up and chance.
The German police is not stupid, they are well aware what is going on. Just their hands are bound so they can not act. Hunt them down in every corner, send them to camps with walls. Maybe use old military buildings. They already have a fence around it. There you can send all those people in that not belong to Germany. Guard them and surveillance them. Then send them home or build camps in some countries in northern Africa. The money those government get is better to pay then let those invaders storm into Europe.
Germans need to awake. Crush the dreams of mulitcularism. Crush the ideology that all cultures and humans are equal. We face a threat, an invasion and have to be strong. In times of wars we need men that carry on the cruel and hard duty to protect the society. The core of Germany is still strong but we got betray by our leaders.
Germany awake, Europe away before its to late...
(01-15-2016 01:53 PM)Parzival Wrote: You need to consider facts too. The world is a cruel place and its not fair. Like Australia we need to protect Europe from this invasion. Spain protect its border. They do not face an invasion. What Germany lack is the willpower. Its the same mentality that did not revolt against Hitler in the last days and fight till the end. The same mentality hold us back to stand up against the traitor Merkel. Germans need flames to wake up and chance.
There are remarkable similarities between Merkel and Hitler.
Police Crack Down As 13,000-Strong Anti-Rape Vigilante Groups Emerge Across Europe
Quote:Europeans are organising into self-defence groups in reaction to the failure of their own governments to protect them from migrant invaders, with one group boasting 13,000 supporters alone.
Founded last week and reported on at the time by Breitbart London, the ‘Dusseldorf is Watching’ group which proclaims “one for all, and all for one” and has already gone on patrols and has grown to 13,000 supporters in eight days. It is just one of a growing number of so-called vigilante groups emerging across Germany and other European nations who patrol streets or dispense spontaneous justice in place of the regular police.
Similar to the Dusseldorf group is the new ‘Kassel is Watching’ group, founded in the central German city this week. Already enjoying over 2,000 supporters, the patrols are organised through instant messaging app ‘WhatsApp’ and Facebook. The mobile phone messenger allows crimes to be quickly reported to the group by members of the public and for volunteers to instantly receive updates and the locations of flashpoints.
Other ‘watching’ groups apparently organised along similar lines and vowing to go out on foot and in cars on patrols have also been established in the PEGIDA home-state of Saxony, the city of Brunswick, Frankfurt, and Hamburg, among others.
While police have failed to make any sizeable number of arrests following the new year’s eve sex attacks, they have acted with commendable efficiency in arresting those opposing migrant rape gangs, including the ‘Hero of Cologne’ Ivan Jurevic. Standing at seven feet tall and enjoying a catalogue of world body building championship titles the former special forces soldier became a minor internet celebrity after uploading his account of “beating up” migrants who tried to molest girls, as reported by Breitbart London.
Telling of his astonishment at the behaviour of the immigrant attackers and saying “I always thought this stuff would be some sort of right wing propaganda. But it was real!”, Mr. Jurevic was arrested this weekend after he decided to put his unique skills to use and joined a vigilante patrol, reports the Daily Mail.
Hoping to discourage others from trying their luck, police have also issued warnings to would-be vigilantes that law enforcement is a game best left to the professionals.
In response to the Kassel group a spokesman for the regional police was moved to remark: “To protect the citizens is the sole responsibility of the state. The police are responsible for public safety. This task they will continue to fulfil in the normal way”.
That the police performing their duties normally would result in citizens feeling well protected was met with some mirth by the leaders of the vigilante group. Posting a riposte on their Facebook page, Kassel is Watching remarked the police engaging on a course of business as usual reassured them their new status as vigilantes was “the right one”.
Responding to a group of football hooligans blurring the lines between vigilante justice and violent retribution this week, police made 211 arrests after a group smashed up kebab shops and other businesses in a left wing-voting district of Leipzig. Press photographs of the incident showed businesses with ‘refugee welcome’ signs hanging from their shops having had their windows smashed.
The phenomenon isn’t confined to Germany. A new video being shared on social media from LiveLeak and claiming to show the aftermath of an attempted mugging this week in Austria demonstrates the instant justice being dispensed in a Europe where faith in the legal system to bring redress has broken down. Although the video hasn’t been positively confirmed, it appears to show a group of Austrians fighting with migrants after one attempted to rob a 27 year old man.
Further north in Finland, police have reacted with concern to the emergence of anti-migration vigilante groups patrolling city streets, watching out for trouble and so-called “Islamist intruders”. The so-called ‘Soldiers of Odin’ group claim to be acting scouts for the police, calling in officers if they witness any crimes being committed, augmenting the work of the regular force which finds itself severely overstretched.
Despite their apparently good intentions, Finnish police have taken an equally dim view of the groups as German forces, stating in a press release: “As a matter of principle, police are responsible for law and order in the country”. Yet the Finnish force is not yet pursuing the group, admitting if they don’t stray outside of their intended purpose no laws have been broken.
The establishment Soldiers of Odin follow a violent confrontation at the Finnish border last year, as coach-loads of refugees were pelted with rocks and fireworks by Finnish nationalists as they attempted to cross the frontier. A petrol bomb was also thrown, as reported by Breitbart London at the time.
In the immediate aftermath of the attacks the newly arrived migrants appealed to police, concerned that Finland may not have been the safe northern European country they were promised.
Imagine this... your daughter is being raped in the streets by Muzzies and you step in to intervene only for a police officer to point a gun at you and arrest you.
Civil War right around the corner now, it won't be long before regular Germans are killing cops or telling the cops, "You're with us or against us."
Finally Europe is fighting back. Police will "crack down" on ordinary citizens but were no where to be found when young girls were being raped in the streets. I wonder if a point will come when the police refuse to harass their own people.
(01-15-2016 10:33 AM)Icepasian Wrote: European nations can build walls. It's not impossible or hard by any means. It just takes the will to do what is necessary. Guarding your nation's borders with guns tends to work. It doesn't matter how many millions are trying to knock down your door when your door is protected by machine gun nests. There's this defeatist idea that just because the third world is multiplying in population means that they will be able to swarm the borders no matter what. Well guess what, that's not true. Just as millions of people in the Eastern Bloc were kept in because of fences, walls, and men with rifles, the same idea can be applied to keeping people out. It's not rocket science. See modern Hungary or the history of the DDR for an example of how this works.
Notice the theme here Icepasion - we keep hearing this mantra being repeated over and over and over again. Remember what Joseph Goebbels said: If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. Despite the fact that Eastern Germany was EXTREMELY effective at preventing undesired border crossings contemporary Germans for some reason have been convinced that it is IMPOSSIBLE to protect an even shorter border (the one facing Austria mostly). For a country that is supposed to be populated by a people with an average IQ of 112 I seriously doubt that anyone really believes that. But for some reason everyone accepts it as the TRUTH. Because the TRUTH these days is simply whatever the majority agrees upon. So if the MSM keeps repeating that it is impossible then obedient Germans simply accept it as a fact.
This type of mentality is one of the reasons why I extricated myself from German society. I saw these behavioral patterns early on in life and decided to make my luck abroad. It is a decision I have never once regretted and as you may imagine I feel hugely relieved these days that I have built a life outside of Germany.
(01-15-2016 10:41 AM)Horus Wrote: Also, as heartless as this sounds, the boats arriving on the coasts of Europe need to be simply turned back without being let onto land. Of course this will result in many deaths, but once people realize that paying 10000 euros for a place on a boat will not only result in being sent back, but also result in the high possibility of drowning, the boats will stop coming.
Imagine what would have happened if boatloads of German refugees escaping Allied bombs showed up on the coast of England during World War II. That's the attitude Europe needs now.