(01-15-2016 08:02 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 07:54 AM)The Thraex Wrote:  Make no mistake, all wars and especially revolutions and counter-revolutions have been orchestrated from secret Luciferian societies.

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm but care to elaborate? I've heard similar stuff on other side of internet.

I'll give one example.

Germany could have won the WW2 but due to Hitler's "intuitive decisions" against the sound advices of his generals, Germany lost the war and it was destroyed completely. Consequently now modern Germans are just a pale shadow of their forefathers.

Just two of his most famous "mistakes". 1. Operation Barbarosa when the German offensive stalled on the outskirts of Moscow following an order from Hitler. 2. The battle of Dunkirk where again in result of his orders 338,000 French and English soldiers managed to escape back to England.

Anyone who has studied WW2 has been puzzled but Hitler's strategy. Why do you think he behaved the way he did?

I don't have time to elaborate further now but might open a separate thread if the admins are able to tolerate strong opinions. Been banned before for no good reasons.

To be fair, there's only one person coming up with an SJW talking point on this page and his comments stick out a mile.
Ain't nobody else talking SJW nonsense on here.

(01-15-2016 08:20 AM)Libertas Wrote:  This page is full of SJW talking points. What the fuck am I reading here?

Quote:So stop rationalizing or debating what Muslims are saying. Instead find effective measures to protect your family and loved ones. And then do your part in aiding the immediate and complete evisceration of Muslim culture from the European continent.

Exactly.

This is all well and good, and yes Europe would be better off without the influx of Muslims which has accelerated in recent decades.
That's as plain as day for us RVF folks.
But let's keep it real here, Muslim culture is here to stay whether we like it or not.
Protecting yourself and loved ones is of course wise and I'd give the same advice to anyone who's going to live in parts of Europe most affected by the invaders, but evisceration of Muslim culture is a pipedream.
What we can do is enlighten people, wake people up from their Diversity nonsense, show them the stats, the evidence (and there's plenty of it) that increasing Islamisation in Europe is a recipe for disaster for Europe and will lead to a worse society for Europeans in almost every conceivable way.
We can also advocate for severely limiting Muslim immigration into European countries going forward.
We can advocate for stopping all family re-unification policies asap.
There might not be many political parties advocating that right now, but they will increase as the crimes from the invaders increase.
Make the case, point out that the likes of Belgium, France, NL are heading for Muslim majority in a few decades times, and do people really want to live in a Muslim majority country.
Of course most people don't want this.
Some people will see the light, a lot won't until it's too late and then there's others who are open to persuasion and logical rational arguments, those are the people to concentrate on, the more people that wake up, the better chance we have of avoiding the nightmare scenario of Muslim dominated countries in Europe in the future.

(01-15-2016 08:20 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 07:54 AM)The Thraex Wrote:  This young man covers a lot of issues and guess what ... he is spot on most most of them. Thank you for posting it.

He is right, if EU and USA did not interfere with the internal affairs of so many countries we would have been faced with this mass immigration problem now.

In the end of the day, ALL people black, and white, Muslim or Christians want to live peacefully. When people are left alone they thrive, in their own way. People get radicalized by Satan's followers. Make no mistake, all wars and especially revolutions and counter-revolutions have been orchestrated from secret Luciferian societies.

But Europe and America are imperialistic powers, like the Roman Empire, they suck the resources and human potential of foreign countries. Because it is exactly this kind of politics that maintains this so called First World Standard. The First World impoverishes the Third World.

But like the Roman Empire, the EU and USA will eat themselves out from within. Communism, feminism, oligarchy, banking cartels, they are all symptoms of the disease that eats us from within.

The Western elite is rotten, it's carcinogenic. Only a surgery will stop the tumour spreading.

I'm no historian, but I believe the Gulf States, Turks, and Iranians in particular have waged quite a bit of war of their own in the region.

These powers have been waging wars with their surrounding countries. Anyone can have disputes with their neighbors as sometimes we step over each other's toes.

Whereas the British Empire and its continuation the USA has been starting wars all over the world with the sheer purpose of stealing resource and mainly to control the drug and oil trade.

Quote:Home Country: Afghanistan

I think that speaks enough about the credibility of your points.

(01-15-2016 08:37 AM)The Thraex Wrote:  I don't have time to elaborate further now but might open a separate thread if the admins are able to tolerate strong opinions. Been banned before for no good reasons.

That was probably something you should have kept quiet if you wanted to fly under the radar a second time.

Ban this Tharex guy I got a headache from his idiotic points

(01-15-2016 09:04 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  Ban this Tharex guy I got a headache from his idiotic points

Yes, ban him, ban everyone who disagrees with you. нет человека нет проблемы

Thraex once banned always banned. Forum rules

Tharaex is just as retarded as the migrants. He could have come in quietly, temporarily suppressed his trollish tendencies, settled down without causing any suspicion, and given the appearance of peacefully assimilating into the forum. But as soon as he got here, he simply couldn't help but show his true colours, effectively shooting himself in the foot.

(01-15-2016 07:54 AM)The Thraex Wrote:  This young man covers a lot of issues and guess what ... he is spot on most most of them. Thank you for posting it.

He is right, if EU and USA did not interfere with the internal affairs of so many countries we would have been faced with this mass immigration problem now.

In the end of the day, ALL people black, and white, Muslim or Christians want to live peacefully. When people are left alone they thrive, in their own way. People get radicalized by Satan's followers. Make no mistake, all wars and especially revolutions and counter-revolutions have been orchestrated from secret Luciferian societies.

But Europe and America are imperialistic powers, like the Roman Empire, they suck the resources and human potential of foreign countries. Because it is exactly this kind of politics that maintains this so called First World Standard. The First World impoverishes the Third World.

But like the Roman Empire, the EU and USA will eat themselves out from within. Communism, feminism, oligarchy, banking cartels, they are all symptoms of the disease that eats us from within.

The Western elite is rotten, it's carcinogenic. Only a surgery will stop the tumour spreading.

You are so misguided on so many aspects of history and life, I don't even know where to begin.

First up - what's wrong with being imperialistic? There are finite resources in the world and the inferior will always succumb to the superior one.

Secondly - The West has long stopped being imperialistic - it now chooses to subvert socially and integrate economically. At the current time this is happening in the context of a liberal agenda but that is but a momentary swing of the pendulum. Although nationalist societies are more insulated and less vulnerable to social subversion we constantly affect each other.

Thirdly - Just because there are negative aspects of our own Western societies doesn't mean we should throw out the baby with the bathwater. The world as you currently enjoy it as been built by white Western societies. Do you want to go back to an agricultural pre-industrial society? Seriously?

Four - All people want to live peacefully. NOT TRUE. Human beings are constantly competing with each other and history shows that we kill each other at any available opportunity. That will never change and to assume that other cultures are more peaceful would be naive at best.

Five - Get off the guilt trip! If Africans or Muslims had the intelligence or creativity to produce successful societies then they would have done so by now. It is not our fault that they are incapable of doing so. You truly blame Western entrepreneurs for attempting to exploit valuable resources which can be easily taken?

I could go on but I've got a gym to go to....

(01-15-2016 09:29 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 07:54 AM)The Thraex Wrote:  This young man covers a lot of issues and guess what ... he is spot on most most of them. Thank you for posting it.

He is right, if EU and USA did not interfere with the internal affairs of so many countries we would have been faced with this mass immigration problem now.

In the end of the day, ALL people black, and white, Muslim or Christians want to live peacefully. When people are left alone they thrive, in their own way. People get radicalized by Satan's followers. Make no mistake, all wars and especially revolutions and counter-revolutions have been orchestrated from secret Luciferian societies.

But Europe and America are imperialistic powers, like the Roman Empire, they suck the resources and human potential of foreign countries. Because it is exactly this kind of politics that maintains this so called First World Standard. The First World impoverishes the Third World.

But like the Roman Empire, the EU and USA will eat themselves out from within. Communism, feminism, oligarchy, banking cartels, they are all symptoms of the disease that eats us from within.

The Western elite is rotten, it's carcinogenic. Only a surgery will stop the tumour spreading.

You are so misguided on so many aspects of history and life, I don't even know where to begin.

First up - what's wrong with being imperialistic? There are finite resources in the world and the inferior will always succumb to the superior one.

Secondly - The West has long stopped being imperialistic - it now chooses to subvert socially and integrate economically. At the current time this is happening in the context of a liberal agenda but that a momentary swing of the pendulum. Although nationalist societies are more insulated and less sensitive to social subversion we constantly affect each other.

Thirdly - Just because there are negative aspects of our own Western societies doesn't mean we should throw out the baby with the bathwater. The world as you currently enjoy it as been built by white Western societies. Do you want to go back to an agricultural pre-industrial society? Seriously?

Four - All people want to live peacefully. NOT TRUE. Human beings are constantly competing with each other and history shows that we kill each other at any available opportunity. That will never change and to assume that other cultures is0 more peaceful would be naive at best.

Five - Get off the guilt trip! If Africans or Muslims had the intelligence or creativity to produce successful societies then they would have done so by now. It is not our fault that they are incapable of doing so. You truly blame Western entrepreneurs for attempting valuable resources which can be easily taken and exploited?

I could go on but I've got a gym to go to....

Re: 1 - the resources might be finite but as a responsible adult you think ahead and use them accordingly. Life by your means, it's possible. Everything else is gluttony.

Re: 2. Yes, it's more subtle but nevertheless it is imperialism and there are still wars if you haven't heard

Re: 3. I am not advocating the destruction of civilization, I'm advocating responsibility.

Re: 4. People fight and compete but the mass scale of the wars is something completely different and far more sinister than plain human nature.

Re: 5. No guilt here. My consciousness is clear as my ancestors were the purest of the pure.

(01-15-2016 08:47 AM)amity Wrote:  But let's keep it real here, Muslim culture is here to stay whether we like it or not.

That is true but that does NOT mean we should permit it to fester inside our own societies. At some point humanity will find more efficient long term energy solutions at which point Middle Eastern countries will revert to what they were before: Dusty deserts which nobody gives a shit about.

What we need to do is to limit Muslim societies in the West as much as possible. They don't belong here and we have no obligation to take care of them. They can do whatever they want in their own countries and should not be allowed to come here and ruin ours.

(01-15-2016 09:36 AM)The Thraex Wrote:  My consciousness is clear as my ancestors were the purest of the pure.

Were your ancestors goat and prepubescent boys' fuckers by any chance?
This is typical muslim attitude - all others are at fault, I DINDU NUFFIN', MY PEOPLE WERE A GOOD BOY.

(01-15-2016 09:38 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 08:47 AM)amity Wrote:  But let's keep it real here, Muslim culture is here to stay whether we like it or not.

That is true but that does NOT mean we should permit it to fester inside our own societies. At some point humanity will find more efficient long term energy solutions at which point Middle Eastern countries will revert to what they were before: Dusty deserts which nobody gives a shit about.

In the relatively distant future when we have better energy solutions, it's not inconceivable large parts of Europe will be, or at least on the way to becoming, majority Muslim. Whether or not this becomes a reality depends on the actions we take today.

(01-15-2016 09:24 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  Thraex once banned always banned. Forum rules

Fine by me. I will still be able to read the forum but the forum won't be reading me.

delete

I will just leave this here:

Sweden state funded muslim sniper training

And i will say it...@Samseu is right, again.

Article in the original swedish source

(01-15-2016 09:40 AM)johnfortunebg Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:36 AM)The Thraex Wrote:  My consciousness is clear as my ancestors were the purest of the pure.

Were your ancestors goat and prepubescent boys' fuckers by any chance?
This is typical muslim attitude - all others are at fault, I DINDU NUFFIN', MY PEOPLE WERE A GOOD BOY.

I'm Bulgarian Orthodox Christian. You?
Благодаря за гостоприемното посрещане.

(01-15-2016 10:07 AM)The Thraex Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:40 AM)johnfortunebg Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:36 AM)The Thraex Wrote:  My consciousness is clear as my ancestors were the purest of the pure.

Were your ancestors goat and prepubescent boys' fuckers by any chance?
This is typical muslim attitude - all others are at fault, I DINDU NUFFIN', MY PEOPLE WERE A GOOD BOY.

I'm Bulgarian Orthodox Christian. You?
Благодаря за гостоприемното посрещане.

The fact that you (claim to be) from my country brings me shame, yes. Weak sell-outs like you are exactly the sort of people we don't need.

(01-15-2016 10:07 AM)The Thraex Wrote:  I'm Bulgarian Orthodox Christian. You?
Благодаря за гостоприемното посрещане.

I've heard there are a lot of Bulgarian Orthodox Christians hailing from Afghanistan and currently living in the ASEAN free trade area.

MASS MIGRATION INTO EUROPE IS UNSTOPPABLE

The current migration crisis is driven by wars in the Middle East (The AFR)

by Gideon Rachman

In the 18th and 19th centuries, Europeans populated the world. Now the world is populating Europe. Beyond the furore about the impact of the 1m-plus refugees who arrived in Germany in 2015 lie big demographic trends. The current migration crisis is driven by wars in the Middle East. But there are also larger forces at play that will ensure immigration into Europe remains a vexed issue long after the war in Syria is over.

Europe is a wealthy, ageing continent whose population is stagnant. By contrast the populations of Africa, the Middle East and South Asia are younger, poorer and rising fast. At the height of the imperial age, in 1900, European countries represented about 25 per cent of the world's population.

Today, the EU's roughly 500 million people account for about 7 per cent of the world's population. By contrast, there are now more than 1 billion people in Africa and, according to the UN, there will be almost 2.5 billion by 2050.

The population of Egypt has doubled since 1975 to more than 80 million today. Nigeria's population in 1960 was 50 million. It is now more than 180 million and likely to be more than 400 million by 2050.

The migration of Africans, Arabs and Asians to Europe represents the reversal of a historic trend. In the colonial era Europe practised a sort of demographic imperialism, with white Europeans emigrating to the four corners of the world. In North America and Australasia, indigenous populations were subdued and often killed - and whole continents were turned into offshoots of Europe. European countries also established colonies all over the world and settled them with immigrants, while at the same time several millions were forcibly migrated from Africa to the New World as slaves.

When Europeans were populating the world, they often did so through "chain migration". A family member would settle in a new country like Argentina or the US; news and money would be sent home and, before long, others would follow.

Now the chains go in the other direction: from Syria to Germany, from Morocco to the Netherlands, from Pakistan to Britain. But these days it is not a question of a letter home followed by a long sea voyage. In the era of Facebook and the smartphone, Europe feels close even if you are in Karachi or Lagos.

Countries such as Britain, France and the Netherlands have become much more multiracial in the past 40 years. Governments that promise to restrict immigration, such as the current British administration, have found it very hard to deliver on their promises.

The EU position is that, while refugees can apply for asylum in Europe, illegal "economic migrants" must return home. But this policy is unlikely to stem the population flows for several reasons.

First, the number of countries that are afflicted by war or state failure may actually increase; worries about the stability of Algeria are rising, for example.

Second, most of those who are deemed "economic migrants" never actually leave Europe. In Germany only about 30 per cent of rejected asylum seekers leave the country voluntarily or are deported.

Third, once large immigrant populations are established, the right of "family reunion" will ensure a continued flow. So Europe is likely to remain an attractive and attainable destination for poor and ambitious people all over the world.

One possible reaction for Europe is to accept that migration from the rest of the world is inevitable - and embrace it wholeheartedly. Europe's debt-ridden economies need an injection of youth and dynamism. Who will staff their old-age homes and building sites if not immigrants from the rest of the world?

But even those Europeans who make the case for immigration tend to argue that, of course, newcomers to the continent must all accept "European values". That may be unrealistic, partly because many of these values are of relatively recent vintage.

In recent decades, feminism has made great strides in Europe and attitudes to gay rights have been transformed. Many immigrants from the Middle East and Africa bring much more conservative and sexist attitudes with them. It will take more than a few civics classes to change that.

Europeans are profoundly confused about how to respond to these new challenges. In the age of imperialism, they justified settling foreign lands with the confident belief that they were bringing the benefits of civilisation to more backward parts of the world.

But post-imperial, post-Holocaust Europe is much more wary of asserting the superiority of its culture. It has replaced a belief in its civilising mission and the Bible with an emphasis on universal values, individual rights and international treaties.

The big question in the coming decades is how Europe's faith in universal liberal values will withstand the impact of mass immigration. A battle between nativists and liberals is beginning to shape politics.

In the long run I expect the nativists to lose, not because their demands are unpopular but because they are unenforceable. It may be possible for island nations surrounded by the Pacific Ocean, such as Japan or Australia, to maintain strict controls on immigration. It will be all but impossible for an EU that is part of a Eurasian landmass and is separated from Africa only by narrow stretches of the Mediterranean.

Read more: http://www.afr.com/opinion/mass-migratio...z3xKIMJyWw

@Que enspastic Thanks, interesting (albeit factually inaccurate at times) article.
It's pretty similar to what I read from the FT on such issues.
They are what I would call soft Globalists.
Ian Bremner is a perfect example of someone who's not an outright Globalist per se, but his tweets and posts are very typical of economist journalists, they gently push the Globalist narrative.
They don't really have the honesty to address the dire implications for Europe of continued unfettered Globalism but still they sometimes raise talking points such as incompatible cultures or the threat of increased Jihadism in Europe.
Simon Kuper though is a full on Globalist, I've tried reasoning with him over Twitter to no avail, a lost cause.

(01-15-2016 10:17 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  MASS MIGRATION INTO EUROPE IS UNSTOPPABLE

In the long run I expect the nativists to lose, not because their demands are unpopular but because they are unenforceable. It may be possible for island nations surrounded by the Pacific Ocean, such as Japan or Australia, to maintain strict controls on immigration. It will be all but impossible for an EU that is part of a Eurasian landmass and is separated from Africa only by narrow stretches of the Mediterranean.

European nations can build walls. It's not impossible or hard by any means. It just takes the will to do what is necessary. Guarding your nation's borders with guns tends to work. It doesn't matter how many millions are trying to knock down your door when your door is protected by machine gun nests. There's this defeatist idea that just because the third world is multiplying in population means that they will be able to swarm the borders no matter what. Well guess what, that's not true. Just as millions of people in the Eastern Bloc were kept in because of fences, walls, and men with rifles, the same idea can be applied to keeping people out. It's not rocket science. See modern Hungary or the history of the DDR for an example of how this works.

(01-15-2016 10:33 AM)Icepasian Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 10:17 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  MASS MIGRATION INTO EUROPE IS UNSTOPPABLE

In the long run I expect the nativists to lose, not because their demands are unpopular but because they are unenforceable. It may be possible for island nations surrounded by the Pacific Ocean, such as Japan or Australia, to maintain strict controls on immigration. It will be all but impossible for an EU that is part of a Eurasian landmass and is separated from Africa only by narrow stretches of the Mediterranean.

European nations can build walls. It's not impossible or hard by any means. It just takes the will to do what is necessary. Guarding your nation's borders with guns tends to work. It doesn't matter how many millions are trying to knock down your door when your door is protected by machine gun nests. There's this defeatist idea that just because the third world is multiplying in population means that they will be able to swarm the borders no matter what. Well guess what, that's not true. Just as millions of people in the Eastern Bloc were kept in because of fences, walls, and men with rifles, the same idea can be applied to keeping people out. It's not rocket science. See modern Hungary or the history of the DDR for an example of how this works.

Also, as heartless as this sounds, the boats arriving on the coasts of Europe need to be simply turned back without being let onto land. Of course this will result in many deaths, but once people realize that paying 10000 euros for a place on a boat will not only result in being sent back, but also result in the high possibility of drowning, the boats will stop coming.

Imagine what would have happened if boatloads of German refugees escaping Allied bombs showed up on the coast of England during World War II. That's the attitude Europe needs now.

It's nice to dream sometimes.