If you speak up about immigration, leftists say: "go ahead and enjoy having fear". Who knows a good come back on that one?

(01-14-2016 12:47 PM)Lime Wrote:  If you speak up about immigration, leftists say: "go ahead and enjoy having fear". Who knows a good come back on that one?

dont talk to leftists

That is an easy one. Just mention how fearful they will be when a group of migrants accost them and refuse to leave them alone.

(01-14-2016 12:47 PM)Lime Wrote:  If you speak up about immigration, leftists say: "go ahead and enjoy having fear". Who knows a good come back on that one?

"Go ahead and enjoy your rapes"

(01-14-2016 12:47 PM)Lime Wrote:  If you speak up about immigration, leftists say: "go ahead and enjoy having fear". Who knows a good come back on that one?

"Famous last words."

On a more serious note, fear is an ancient, hundreds of million years old response by higher evolved organisms to avoid danger and threatening circumstances. It has proven to be a tremendously successful evolutional adaption, and vastly increases an individuals' likelihood of living long enough to pass on its genes to the next generation. All of us are the descendants of the members of our species that chose to listen to it.
It is not inherently bad. On the contrary, it shows that one possesses a healthy and reasonable mind.
We should listen carefully to our instincts, they represent the advice of billions and billions of our progenitors.
Humans have evolved so far that we are not bound by them anymore, we may choose to ignore them if our knowledge and experience provides us with good arguments to do so. In this case, I don't see the arguments.
On the contrary, the knowledge and experience of the collective human civilization, called history, points to our instincts being absolutely right in this case.
So there's no reason to be ashamed of being afraid. Actually, it's the wise thing to do.
We identified the threat, now let us come up with a plan to avoid or eliminate it, like our species has always done. Let the fools who mock us be nothing more but a cautionary example to our children, a tale of the distant past, of decadence, hubris and ignorance, of how the fools who had it all, bored and arrogant, welcomed their doom with open hands and lost it all.
And as they lost their future, so we will have won ours, to flourish and thrive once more.

So don't defend yourself against their misguided accusations.
Let those who refuse to see the light remain in the darkness.

(01-14-2016 01:13 AM)quino_16 Wrote:  Professional Atheist Dawkins Says Christianity 'Bulwark Against Something Worse'

Quote:“There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings,” Dawkins said. “I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death.”

In a rare moment of candor, Dawkins reluctantly accepted that the teachings of Jesus Christ do not lead to a world of terror, whereas followers of radical Islam perpetrate the very atrocities that he laments.

Because of this realization, Dawkins wondered aloud whether Christianity might indeed offer an antidote to protect western civilization against jihad.

“I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse,” he said.

This guy spent the majority of his literary career slandering Christianity. Now, when he realizes the natural conclusion of his arguments, he says he is perhaps wrong.

Honestly, fuck this guy and all the other stupid atheists. They helped destroy one of the pillars of Western Civilization and as a result contributed to the overall decline in the West.

I'm no fan of the New Atheists but I have gained more respect for Dawkins and Harris in the past year or so. Since their first books about religion came out towards the end of the 2000s they have been the preferred public intellectuals for what is, for the lack of better terms, the educated class and the "intellectual" reading public. Whenever I saw someone was a fan of these two people I could already guess they would also be supportive of feminism, socialism, and other left wing causes. However, in the last few years a good portion of their fan base has turned against them since they have refused to put on the kiddie gloves when it comes to Islam. I see these people saying stuff like "Dawkins is a brilliant biologist but don't listen to him when he talks outside of his expertise" which made me want to tear my hairs out cause theists have been saying the same but they were always ignored until Dawkins started turning against the pet groups of the left. Dawkins gets attacked on Twitter by SJWs regularly now and Harris also gets a lot of hate from such people with the usual hackneyed buzzwords like "Islamaphobia" and "bigotry".

Even though I still disagree with their stance that religion is an inherent evil I will give them respect for being intellectually honest and consistent and not pandering to their fanbase even though it's tempting to want to do so to keep the praise and accolades comings. This shows character and I can recognize character even when it comes from people that I mostly disagree with - something SJWs seem to have trouble doing.

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(01-14-2016 12:47 PM)Lime Wrote:  If you speak up about immigration, leftists say: "go ahead and enjoy having fear". Who knows a good come back on that one?

Ask them why they fear white heterosexual males so much.

Also something to read that will give you more understanding of why these people always accuse their opponent of being scared of fearful:

http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2015/11...e-is-fear/

"If another man accuses you of being a racist or a sexist or a homophobe or a xenophobe, accuse him of being weak and afraid and easily manipulated. Accuse him of being too worried about his bottom line to think for himself or say what he means.

Don’t backpedal. Don’t qualify that shit.

If another man accuses you of being a racist or a sexist or a homophobe or a xenophobe — own it and make him feel like a cunt for pissing his pants about it.

Progressives want to convince you that you’re afraid if you disagree with them, but the truth is that most men today are afraid to disagree with them.

Call them out on it.

They’re not afraid of “strong women” or dickless dudes or gay weddings or “foreigners.” They’re afraid to speak their minds because they’re afraid of social and financial and in some cases legal consequences. That’s real fear. And they’re painfully aware of it.

Call them out on it.

Call them cowards."

(01-14-2016 12:47 PM)Lime Wrote:  If you speak up about immigration, leftists say: "go ahead and enjoy having fear". Who knows a good come back on that one?

"Allah Akbar."

Another (typical, nowadays) case in Europe: a blonde American woman invites into her apartment an illegal Senegalese migrant; they have sex, then in the morning the illegal migrant breaks her skull. The cucked boyfriend later discovers the body of his dead ex-...



http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/01/14/...alive.html

"Attorney Antonio Voce told The Associated Press that Cheik Tidiane Diaw, a 27-year-old illegal immigrant from Senegal, reacted badly when Ashley Olsen tried to push him out of her apartment after they had consensual sex in the early hours of Jan. 8.

Olsen's body was found the following day. Prosecutors say she suffered fatal head injuries and was strangled.

Chief Prosecutor Giuseppe Creazzo told a news conference that DNA traces found on a condom, a cigarette butt and under Olsen's fingernails matched that of the suspect, who arrived in Italy a few months ago.

Creazzo added that Olsen's skull was fractured twice before she was strangled with a cord or a rope. The prosecutor said the fractures were inflicted so violently that they alone would have killed Olsen.

Investigators also said Diaw had taken Olsen's cell phone, put his own SIM card in it and used it.

Diaw is accused of aggravated homicide, given the brutality of the death and that Olsen was in a compromised state, Creazzo said.

Olsen, 35, was found nude on her bed in her rented apartment on Saturday after her boyfriend had the owner open the door, alarmed that the woman had failed to respond to phone calls. Olsen's body had bruises and scratches on the neck.

Citing witness testimony and street cameras, Creazzo said Olsen and Diaw met for the first time at the Montecarla disco in Florence early Friday morning and went together to Olsen's apartment in the Tuscan city's historic center.

Diaw was previously known to authorities for being involved in the local drug scene.

Olsen, originally from Summer Haven, Florida, had been living in Florence for three years as an active member of the expatriate community and art scene. She had moved to Italy to join her father Walter Olsen, who teaches in the Renaissance art city.

"We are devastated that our precious Ashley has passed away ..."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...rence.html

"The pair walked back to her flat in Via Santa Monica and had consensual sex, possibly under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

But a furious argument developed after Miss Olsen told him he had to leave the apartment because her Italian boyfriend was about to arrive.



Diaw became enraged, accusing her of treating him “like a dog.” "

I'd say the boyfriend got lucky.

FIRST KARNEVALSUMZUG CANCELED BECAUSE OF RAPEFUGEES
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...en-ab.html

Quote:President Paul van Holt explains: there isn't enough time to ensure the safety of the city, that's why we decided to cancel the festival.

@Going Strong, can't say I'm too broken up about that one. It's a good illustration of that snake song Trump has been reading though.

(01-14-2016 02:34 PM)iop890 Wrote:  FIRST KARNEVALSUMZUG CANCELED BECAUSE OF RAPEFUGEES
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/a...en-ab.html

Quote:President Paul van Holt explains: there isn't enough time to ensure the safety of the city, that's why we decided to cancel the festival.

@Going Strong, can't say I'm too broken up about that one. It's a good illustration of that snake song Trump has been reading though.

That snake song is actually based on a poem by French writer La Fontaine, who himself drew inspiration on Aesop, from old Greece, or possibly from Latin writer Phedre :

"LE VILLAGEOIS ET LE SERPENT

Esope conte qu'un Manant,
Charitable autant que peu sage,
Un jour d'hiver se promenant
A l'entour de son héritage,
Aperçut un Serpent sur la neige étendu,
Transi, gelé, perclus, immobile rendu,
N'ayant pas à vivre un quart d'heure.
Le Villageois le prend, l'emporte en sa demeure;
Et, sans considérer quel sera le loyer
D'une action de ce mérite,
Il l'étend le long du foyer,
Le réchauffe, le ressuscite.
L'animal engourdi sent à peine le chaud,
Que l'âme lui revient avecque la colère.
Il lève un peu la tête et puis siffle aussitôt,
Puis fait un long repli, puis tâche à faire un saut
Contre son bienfaiteur, son sauveur, et son père.
Ingrat, dit le Manant, voilà donc mon salaire ?
Tu mourras. A ces mots, plein d'un juste courroux,
Il vous prend sa cognée, il vous tranche la bête;
Il fait trois serpents de deux coups,
Un tronçon, la queue et la tête.
L'insecte sautillant, cherche à se réunir,
Mais il ne put y parvenir.
Il est bon d'être charitable,
Mais envers qui ? c'est là le point.
Quant aux ingrats, il n'en est point
Qui ne meure enfin misérable. "

Boyfriend could've been killed.

Can't trust hoes these days.

I know this might sound fucked up, especially that she was killed but, I don't have much sympathy for a woman who cheats on her boyfriend, then freaks out and tells the guy she just banged to leave because her cuck boyfriend is coming, then gets killed because he reacts badly.

I just don't.

The boyfriend won't even learn a lesson from this and will just grieve.

(01-14-2016 02:43 PM)kaotic Wrote:  The boyfriend won't even learn a lesson from this and will just grieve.

I pity him.
He had an overdose of the Red Pill injected straight into his veins.
That's just too much for an unprepared man. Normally you take the Red Pill in small, controlled amounts, and gradually increase the dosage so your mind can slowly adapt and prevent lasting damage. But this guy got a potentially lethal dose. Keep in mind he's a local artist, so probably a typical liberal.
His girlfriend...

• cheated on him
• while on drugs
• with a guy she just met in front of a club
• who is a Black African (not cool in Italy)
• illegal immigrant
• and drug dealer
• that endep up brutally killing her
• after she tried to kick him out and prevent her boyfriend from finding out
• which he did anyway after he was the first to see her corpse.
  

Brutal.

Quote: Police first began to consider him as a suspect earlier this week and pulled him in for questioning.
In the course of the interrogation, officers offered him a cigarette. After he discarded it they retrieved the butt and recovered DNA from it.

Nice trick.

Quote:Miss Olsen, originally from Florida, had been living in Florence for three years, working for a British event management firm.
She was rebuilding her life after the trauma of a divorce in the US.

Eat, pray, love, die.

Yikes, that's like all the red pill themes together in one story.

She won't be the last either, unfortunately.
German, Swedish and other European women who are used to beta-ish European guys are in no way prepared for the brutish ways of the invaders.
A relatively respectful white Euro guy is a world away from an Arab in terms of respect for women.
Any disrespect from a woman and they will respond in no uncertain terms.
I'm making generalisations here it's true, but in general, the point is valid, that these women are getting into flings with men or older boys who come from societies where women are second class citizens.
Some women will learn the lessons of NYE, but there will be plenty of others who will double down and be even more determined to open their hearts and legs to men who are at best of dubious character and at worst rapists, thugs and even murderers.

I wonder how some of these privileged white feminists will feel in a couple years after getting a dose of actual rape culture imported fresh from the shitholes of the world.

Rape culture to them right now is someone failing to use proper gender pronouns, someone mansplaining, or not signing 10 forms before having sex.

Wait until rape culture starts becoming not being able to stroll outside in certain "urban" areas without being gangbanged in an alleyway or having their head bashed in after turning someone down.

New Charlie Hebdo cartoon depicting Aylan Kurdi (the Syrian boy washed up on a Turkish beach) if he had survived the journey and grown up.

Perhaps they are trying to portray the fickleness of the public, as opinion has rapidly swung from mass sympathy for migrants after the boys death to mass outrage after the Cologne attacks.

Whatever the purpose, you can bet that there will be next to no real outrage from the Muslim world compared to the magazine's portrayal of Mohammed, even though this cartoon is arguable is much poorer taste.

http://www.welt.de/regionales/hamburg/ar...reife.html

Quote:Bei ihren Ermittlungen rund um die sexuellen Übergriffe auf Frauen hat die Hamburger Polizei erste Ergebnisse vorzuweisen. In acht Fällen sei man inzwischen zu Tatverdächtigen gelangt, sagte Polizeipräsident Ralf Meyer am Donnerstag im Innenausschuss. Es handele sich um Männer verschiedener Nationalitäten. Auch Innensenator Michael Neumann und Cornelia Schröder, Leiterin der Davidwache, stellten sich am Donnerstag im Rathaus den Fragen rund um die Übergriffe.
Während die Beamten erste Festnahmen planen, haben Clubbetreiber und Türsteher aus der Großen Freiheit sich jetzt zum Krisengipfel getroffen. Und überlegt, wie sie nach den sexuellen Übergriffen tun können, damit sich die Frauen auf Hamburgs Partymeile wieder sicher fühlen.

Auch Cornelia Schröder hat mit einem ihrer Kollegen bei der Krisensitzung mitdiskutiert – immer wieder sei sie heftig angegangen worden, heißt es. Weil die eingesetzten Polizisten "keinen Plan" hätten und nur "wie Römer hin und her laufen" würden ohne zu wissen, was zu tun sei, soll einer der Anwesenden gesagt haben.

Die Lösungsvorschläge, die bei dem Treffen gesammelt wurden, scheinen die Betroffenen in zwei Lager zu spalten: Während ein Großteil der Betroffenen nach "Welt"-Informationen auf eine noch engere Zusammenarbeit mit den Beamten von der Davidwache setzen will, sollen andere angekündigt haben, das Problem selbst in die Hand nehmen zu wollen. Man werde die Große Freiheit absperren und in Zukunft selbst entscheiden, wer die Straße betreten darf und wer nicht, soll einer der Türsteher gedroht haben. Man werde alles mit Kameras überwachen, und "den Mob verjagen", dafür auch Anzeigen "von diesen netten Asylanten" in Kauf nehmen.

Bei dem Treffen sollen Zweifel daran geäußert worden sein, dass die Polizei die neue Dimension an sexuellen Übergriffen erst seit Silvester auf dem Radar habe: Schließlich gehe das schon seit Monaten so mit "den Flüchtlingen und der sexuellen Belästigung, immer wieder, die ganze Nacht". Cornelia Schröder soll diese Vorwürfe zwar weit von sich gewiesen, gleichzeitig jedoch von einem Personalmangel in ihrem Einsatzgebiet berichtet haben: Mit begrenzten Ressourcen habe man nur begrenzte Möglichkeiten, um auf dem Kiez für Sicherheit zu sorgen.

Man müsse die weiblichen Gäste mit allen Mitteln zurückgewinnen, sagt einer der Clubchefs. Man dürfe nicht zulassen, dass Flüchtlinge stigmatisiert werden, sagt Julia Staron.

Pimps and club owner in Hamburg send out bouncers for security walks. Not only since new years eve Hamburg struggles with Migrant crimes. Youth refugees rob, steal and harass people. They already beat up some of that scum but they say police do nothing. So they have to take the law in the hand. They have a big drop of female customers and so on in the Hamburg nightlife. Women fear to go out because of the refugees.

The Police say, they don't have the manpower to provide safety. In some states the police was reduced for a decade. Same for the court system. Its the results of the turbo capitalism. No money for the public service. People have to stand on their own.

Really long article but something worth digesting - even over multiple sittings if needed.

http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2016/01/...islam.html

Quote:"Every new jihadist attack seems, as if by a kind of reverse inductive reasoning, to make some liberals even more confident in their judgment that there is no essential connection between Islam and terrorism, and that Islam and liberal values are ultimately reconcilable."

"As Minogue also observed, one of the ritualistic liberal expressions of Islamophilia is an incessant “apologizing for the Crusades” -- this despite the fact that the Crusades, while far from morally spotless in their execution, were essentially defensive responses to medieval Islamic aggression, as actual historians of the Crusades like Jonathan Riley-Smith and Thomas Madden never tire of demonstrating. Modern Westerners apologizing for the Crusades is like Eliot Ness’s descendents apologizing to Al Capone’s descendents for some of Ness’s men having gotten a bit rough with some of Capone’s men."

"So, we have a paradox. Considered both historically and in terms of its contemporary manifestations, Islam would appear to be the least liberal of religions. Nor is it easy to see why any devout Muslim would want to accommodate his religion to liberalism -- especially when he sees how liberals have come to treat Christianity after having tamed it. Yet liberals by and large seem to think such an accommodation is not only possible but highly likely. Why? Is there something in Islam that liberals have seen that others have not? Or are liberal hopes delusional?"

Feser then goes on to spell out the difference between the conception of the relationship between church and state as envisioned in Christianity (more specifically, Catholicism) and in Islam. I won't deal with what he writes about Christianity since this thread is about Islam.

Quote:"Muhammad’s program was religious, to be sure, but by no means merely religious. Or to be more precise, he did not regard the cultural, moral, legal, economic, military, and political spheres as something distinct from the religious sphere, to which religion may or may not be applied. They were all just parts of one sphere, the religious sphere, from the get go. Muhammad was prophet, statesman, legislator, general, and cultural and moral exemplar, all rolled into one. And Islam was, accordingly, not merely a program of religious reform, but a program of complete social and political reform, every aspect of which -- not merely the theological aspect -- was grounded in the revelation Muhammad claimed to have received from God."

" But this opposition did not succeed for long, and soon the entirety of Arabia, as well as North Africa, the Levant, Mesopotamia and Persia, knew the power of Islam -- its temporal power, its political and in particular its military power, no less than its spiritual power. Muhammad’s kingdom, unlike Christ’s, was from the start very definitely of this world, and his servants certainly fought. And unlike the Church during the first centuries of Christianity, Islam was not in a weak position relative to the state. That is not because Islam controlled the state. It is because Islam was the state. The caliphate was not a secular power over which Islam had acquired an influence, not a state to which a distinct Islamic “Church” had been annexed. It was “Church” and state in one. Or rather, it was all just Islam, because there is in Islam no such thing in the first place as the notion of a “Church” understood as a purely religious institution, which might be distinguished from some other institution called “the state,” to which it may or may not be fused. "

The difference between how Scripture is viewed in both Christianity and Islam:

Quote:". For the Quran is not to be understood on the model of the Bible as Jews and Christians understand it. The Bible was written by human beings, and bears the marks of the personalities of its authors and the historical and cultural contexts in which they wrote. No Jew or Christian, no matter how theologically conservative, denies this. They merely claim that these human authors were divinely guided in writing in such a way that they were preserved from error."

"That is not how the Quran is understood in Islam. It is not in any sense the work of Muhammad. He did not write it, not even under divine inspiration. Rather, it is the direct word of God himself, eternally pre-existing its revelation through Muhammad, which “came down” to him from heaven. To say that the Quran somehow got things wrong is not, for the Muslim, like saying that there are errors in the Bible. It is more like saying that Christ himself got things wrong. And to suggest that Quranic teaching reflects a merely contingent historical epoch is like saying that what Christians call the Word, the second Person of the Trinity, reflects a merely contingent historical epoch (whatever that could mean). For the Muslim to give up this view of the Quran would be like the Christian giving up the infallibility and divinity of Christ. It would be to give up the religion itself."

On why leftists have the attitude they do towards Islam and why they coddle it while at the same time being hostile towards Christianity:

Quote:"Fourth, egalitarianism is one of the dogmas of modern liberalism, just as the divinity of Christ is a dogma of Christianity or the divine origin of the Quran is a dogma of Islam. Many liberals find it almost impossible to understand how anyone could rationally deny it, and thus how such denials could be anything but expressions of unreasoning hatred. Hence epithets like “bigot” play, within liberalism, the same role that words like “heretic” often do within religion. They are a means of silencing dissenters and sending a warning to anyone even considering dissent from egalitarianism. Many liberals are inclined a priori to suppose that any suggestion that Islam and liberalism are not compatible simply must be an expression of bigotry."

"Fifth, liberalism is heavily invested in a narrative according to which the pre-liberal European civilization against which it reacted -- that is to say, medieval and early modern Christian civilization -- was especially oppressive, both to Europeans and non-Europeans. Now, historically Islam has been the great political and military rival to Christianity. Hence, even though that history has largely been a history of Islamic aggression against Christian states, it is extremely tempting for the liberal to pretend that the Christian side was as aggressive, or even more aggressive. Hence all the absurd apologizing for the Crusades. It is also extremely tempting for the liberal to regard contemporary Muslims as allies in liberals’ political disputes with conservative Christians (even if Muslims are far closer to conservative Christians where “social issues” are concerned than they are to liberals). "

(01-14-2016 04:09 PM)Parzival Wrote:  The Police say, they don't have the manpower to provide safety. In some states the police was reduced for a decade. Same for the court system. Its the results of the turbo capitalism. No money for the public service. People have to stand on their own.

If you think this is capitalism's fault then sorely mistaken. These are greedy politicians who rob the police to pay for other pet projects.

Isn't America capitalist? Do we not have the largest police and army force in the world?

More cultural enrichment.

3 Year-Old Boy Gang Raped By Migrants In Norway

Quote:A three-year-old migrant has allegedly been raped by multiple people at an asylum centre in the Norwegian city of Stavanger.

Police are investigating the incident amid claims the boy was abused in the shared common area of the asylum centre, possibly within view of many people.

“We have no suspects yet,” police superintendent Bjørn Kåre Dahl told local paper Stavanger Aftenblad. “We are investigating the case as if the worst thing has happened and that we are talking about the rape of a child.”

He did not rule out that there may be several perpetrators: “We will investigate further to find out what happened. If it is what we fear – a rape – then this is very serious. But we do not know for certain yet.”

The Local reports the boy has been taken to a rape crisis centre along with his mother and is now at the children’s ward in Stavanger Hospital. He has been questioned by authorities along with several others.

“We also had crime technicians on the site. Material was sent to the Norwegian Institute of Public Health for analysis. There, they will look for DNA among other things,” Mr Dahl added.

“We had many people at work, both sanitation workers and security guards, but nobody saw anything. But we immediately took the case to the police, as is the routine, and they came out. We have had a good dialogue with them throughout.”

A spokesman for the asylum centre said they received a phone call about the incident last Wednesday, but did not want to go into details about the conversation.

“We had many people at work, both sanitation workers and security guards, but nobody saw anything. But we immediately took the case to the police, as is the routine, and they came out. We have had a good dialogue with them throughout,” the spokesman added.

There are around 800 migrants at the asylum centre, including men, women and children. The boy was reportedly at the centre with his family.

(01-14-2016 04:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 04:09 PM)Parzival Wrote:  The Police say, they don't have the manpower to provide safety. In some states the police was reduced for a decade. Same for the court system. Its the results of the turbo capitalism. No money for the public service. People have to stand on their own.

If you think this is capitalism's fault then sorely mistaken. These are greedy politicians who rob the police to pay for other pet projects.

Isn't America capitalist? Do we not have the largest police and army force in the world?

Well America has some really shitty areas as far as I know.

But yes the money goes somewhere else. Paying debs and fancy welfare projects. Also the police is seen mixed by politicians. They want police to be nice and cute. De-escalation. Police is always the bad guys. To strict, to violent, right wing, xenophobic and so on. So they reduced it more and more. But just in some states. Those with not so good economical situation.

Like coal and seal in the state of NRW is gone because of capitalism. Now you get it cheaper in China. This means less taxes and for that reduce the police force. Then also the keep the police short and the refugee welcome multiculti nonsense of left wing politicians and media, and then you get Cologne and other stuff where criminal immigrants take over.

"She was rebuilding her life after the trauma of a divorce in the US."

I think REAL trauma is what she just experienced.