Post: #26

Sean Penn is a traitor. His father was a blacklisted, known communist. The apple didn't fall far from the tree. Fuck him.

Post: #27

The story here, I think, is that El Chapo's security became compromised when he gave in to advances from this woman, which weakened him.

He is a local hero to many in the rural villages of Sinaloa. If he chose to, I bet he could have hid out there, protected locally, off the grid, for years.

Instead, he chose to entertain Hollywood vanity, rather than embrace the protection from his people, and now he is in prison.

Post: #28

(01-10-2016 12:12 PM)Easy E Wrote:  Mexico begins extradition process to send captured drug lord 'El Chapo' to U.S.:

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best."

Post: #29

Sean Penn without doubt crossed certain moral lines here when he agreed to "interview" the Western Hemisphere's most notorious fugitive, a criminal whose body-count runs well into the thousands.

What Penn was doing looks a lot like aiding and abetting a known fugitive. But that's for the law to decide.

I don't know what it is about Sean Penn's character that makes him court danger and criminality so strenuously. There must be some sort of self-destructive impulse that he has.

I actually admire his acting. And on the whole, his movies are usually very good.

What the hell is he doing getting caught up in this sort of thing?

I think the only reason he himself is not in trouble is that he--Penn--played a key role in apprehending El Chapo. Whether Penn knew it or not, he was under surveillance by US law enforcement authorities. And they tracked him every step of the way in his trip to the Mexican countryside.

In any case, this whole thing is very strange.

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Post: #30

(01-10-2016 05:44 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  I don't know what it is about Sean Penn's character that makes him court danger and criminality so strenuously. There must be some sort of self-destructive impulse that he has.

What the hell is he doing getting caught up in this sort of thing?

I think the only reason he himself is not in trouble is that he--Penn--played a key role in apprehending El Chapo. Whether Penn knew it or not, he was under surveillance by US law enforcement authorities. And they tracked him every step of the way in his trip to the Mexican countryside.

Sean Penn definitely gets off on the idea of courting self-destructive "danger". I think he is very intelligent and talented, highly egoistical, and deeply flawed. He enjoys his worldwide fame and its trappings, but at the end of the day is unfulfilled by all the superficiality of the industry he is part of, and wishes he was famous/great in some more "real" realm of life. Probably wishes he was born Che Guevara, or something, hence his Chapo/Chavez/Iraq/Haiti/Katrina stunts.

He also has that artistic "dark side" where you just know that these types will not go out from this world quietly, because death by some public stunt (whether by suicide, or by "suicide by mob" or whatever) ensures his posthumous ego will still be stroked by flames of eternal notoriety.

Also, I wouldn't pass it by him, or his grandiose ego, to be actually trying to exact revenge on Chapo in the name of all those who died from drugs, first and foremost his own kid brother (actor Chris Penn) who was once cocaine addicted (which may partially blamed for his death), as well as many of his high profile friends (Philip Seymour Hoffman, Heath Ledger, etc.) as well as many other countless anonymous victims.

I only read small part of that whole RS article, the part where he was feigning ignorance about the technology, which means that right away he's telegraphing his innocence about the whole capture thing, but doing so quite unconvincingly.

Something tells me Penn loves having his sleep disturbed for the rest of his life. It's narcissism, and social hierarchy, really. When he goes to Hollywood parties he gets to play the "real deal" among the sea of fakes.

Post: #31

I tried to read the interview and discovered it was largely about Penn. This, too, fits with his general worldview and psychopathy. In passing, Penn's prose is eye-wateringly bad.

Post: #32

(01-10-2016 08:25 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  I tried to read the interview and discovered it was largely about Penn. This, too, fits with his general worldview and psychopathy. In passing, Penn's prose is eye-wateringly bad.

Quote:It's September 28th, 2015. My head is swimming, labeling TracPhones (burners), one per contact, one per day, destroy, burn, buy, balancing levels of encryption, mirroring through Blackphones, anonymous e-mail addresses, unsent messages accessed in draft form. It's a clandestine horror show for the single most technologically illiterate man left standing. At 55 years old, I've never learned to use a laptop. Do they still make laptops? No fucking idea! It's 4:00 in the afternoon. Another gorgeous fall day in New York City. The streets are abuzz with the lights and sirens of diplomatic movement, heads of state, U.N. officials, Secret Service details, the NYPD. It's the week of the U.N. General Assembly. Pope Francis blazed a trail and left town two days before. I'm sitting in my room at the St. Regis Hotel with my colleague and brother in arms, Espinoza.

Espinoza and I have traveled many roads together, but none as unpredictable as the one we are now approaching. Espinoza is the owl who flies among falcons.

Post: #33

(01-10-2016 01:06 AM)scotian Wrote:  It definitely won't be part of his campaign platform but if elected, I'd like to see Donald Trump end the "War On Drugs". Its been a massive failure as far as keeping people off them goes but there's too many influential people and organizations (politicians, prison system, police, population control, etc) who want to see it maintained, for shame.

How does it end?

It's not like drug cartels will just decide to stop murdering people because the US President declares the war on drugs to be over. It's not like addicts will stop burglarizing homes, stealing identities, neglecting children, or engaging in domestic violence. The drug economy will still suck money out of the rest of the economy.

How do you fix all these problems just like that?

Post: #34

(01-10-2016 06:42 PM)Daddy Chains Wrote:  

(01-10-2016 05:44 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  I don't know what it is about Sean Penn's character that makes him court danger and criminality so strenuously. There must be some sort of self-destructive impulse that he has.

What the hell is he doing getting caught up in this sort of thing?

I think the only reason he himself is not in trouble is that he--Penn--played a key role in apprehending El Chapo. Whether Penn knew it or not, he was under surveillance by US law enforcement authorities. And they tracked him every step of the way in his trip to the Mexican countryside.

Sean Penn definitely gets off on the idea of courting self-destructive "danger". I think he is very intelligent and talented, highly egoistical, and deeply flawed. He enjoys his worldwide fame and its trappings, but at the end of the day is unfulfilled by all the superficiality of the industry he is part of, and wishes he was famous/great in some more "real" realm of life. Probably wishes he was born Che Guevara, or something, hence his Chapo/Chavez/Iraq/Haiti/Katrina stunts.

He also has that artistic "dark side" where you just know that these types will not go out from this world quietly, because death by some public stunt (whether by suicide, or by "suicide by mob" or whatever) ensures his posthumous ego will still be stroked by flames of eternal notoriety.

Also, I wouldn't pass it by him, or his grandiose ego, to be actually trying to exact revenge on Chapo in the name of all those who died from drugs, first and foremost his own kid brother (actor Chris Penn) who was once cocaine addicted (which may partially blamed for his death), as well as many of his high profile friends (Philip Seymour Hoffman, Heath Ledger, etc.) as well as many other countless anonymous victims.

I only read small part of that whole RS article, the part where he was feigning ignorance about the technology, which means that right away he's telegraphing his innocence about the whole capture thing, but doing so quite unconvincingly.

Something tells me Penn loves having his sleep disturbed for the rest of his life. It's narcissism, and social hierarchy, really. When he goes to Hollywood parties he gets to play the "real deal" among the sea of fakes.

That's a great analysis. You're right...I had forgotten that Chris Penn died of his drug problems.

If this was some sort of subtle "revenge" that Sean Penn extracted against El Chapo, then that would almost make him a hero...and that makes this story even more fascinating.

Who knows? Maybe Sean Penn was acting at the behest of the DEA. Maybe the whole thing was a plan to lure El Chapo into custody.

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Post: #35

(01-10-2016 11:49 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  That's a great analysis. You're right...I had forgotten that Chris Penn died of his drug problems.

If this was some sort of subtle "revenge" that Sean Penn extracted against El Chapo, then that would almost make him a hero...and that makes this story even more fascinating.

Who knows? Maybe Sean Penn was acting at the behest of the DEA. Maybe the whole thing was a plan to lure El Chapo into custody.

And not only that, we also could reasonably infer that Charlize Theron had (suddenly) dropped him when she heard of his Chapo stunt plans. Being a mother of two small (if adopted) children, her instinct probably kicked in as she knew that she couldn't entirely trust him to not fuck it up for her and/or her children.

She probably gave Sean Penn an ultimatum, either her or El Chapo. And he chose Chapo, because he knew well that pussy (aging at that) is highly disposable/replaceable, while natural high of this type is permanent.

Post: #36

Penn always wanted to be a gangster, just watch Carlito's Way.

Post: #37

I read it and consider it a very bad interview. About 2/3 is about Penn and the circumstances. The interview itself is a bad one. There you have a very interesting person but the interview offer no deeper insight.

Post: #38

Go Pro footage of raid

Post: #39

New development in the story (just available in Spanish, for the moment):

El Chapo texted, using Blackberry, Kate del Castillo, the thirst was out of this world and she friendzoned him hard. Lots of mexican websites are mocking el Chapo texting style, thirst and words.

Please, rememeber, everytime you text a girl or publish something on the internet think that is possible for everyone in the world to see it and that no pussy is worth the price:

Original news in Spanish:
http://www.milenio.com/policia/chapor_ar...34049.html

Website mocking him and correcting the texts (Chapo does not know how to write Spanish):
http://www.sopitas.com/570955-una-histor...-castillo/

Post: #40

(01-13-2016 11:46 AM)Gunner Wrote:  New development in the story (just available in Spanish, for the moment):

El Chapo texted, using Blackberry, Kate del Castillo, the thirst was out of this world and she friendzoned him hard. Lots of mexican websites are mocking el Chapo texting style, thirst and words.

Please, rememeber, everytime you text a girl or publish something on the internet think that is possible for everyone in the world to see it and that no pussy is worth the price:

Original news in Spanish:
http://www.milenio.com/policia/chapor_ar...34049.html

Website mocking him and correcting the texts (Chapo does not know how to write Spanish):
http://www.sopitas.com/570955-una-histor...-castillo/

Holy shit. If those texts are true, he friendzoned himself so fucking hard it's nearly unbelievable. He even calls her a friend in his texts and she responds that she too would like to talk to him in person...about their project. I kind of pity the guy now in a strange way.

Post: #41

I'm not shocked by his inability to txt, I think he is either illiterate or reads at an elementary level.

Post: #42

I don't know what the article says, but a lack of game (as we know it) doesn't shock me in the slightest either. He's an ultra-successful businessman and criminal, not a player. I mean, the guy has been BUSY and hasn't exactly had the time or motivation to be here studying the RVF text game threads....

I've known guys who got rich in the illicit trades that were most definitely alpha but still atrocious with women, and their antics were similar to what was described.

For example, I remember watching one that specifically comes to mind essentially "court" an obvious (but smoking hot) American slut for months before she'd go out with him, buying her diamond rings and huge bouquets of roses. Following her around everywhere and paying for everything. Went as far as to send someone to kick the shit out of a guy who was on a date with her one time. He was stuck on that bitch for years and she played him.

Another has dated and knocked up several of the hottest broads where I'm from and yet you see him on Facebook publicly telling girls how gorgeous they are in their photos.

Being a leader among men does not equate to knowing how to lead women.

The tough part is they have little incentive to improve because eventually some hottie does go for it - money alone may not pull women but combine money with being notorious and a leader among criminals, and game becomes much less of an issue.

Of course it's a recipe for getting played by devious women though too.

Another thing to note is that in this type of scenario her friendzoning may not have been completely legitimate. When a woman goes up against this type of big fish she will sometimes play hard to get to the extreme to lock it in. Not to mention having many reasons to be on the fence.

He may very well have known all that too and was playing it out the way he saw fit to get the results he wanted. "May" being the key word here.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #43

Dont believe it. He is an apex alpha.

Post: #44

Can someone translate the texts and post them here? I don't speak Spanish yet unfortunately.

Post: #45

^ I just googled it. English translations all over the internet now.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #46

This guy ran through legions of fine pussy. He even knocked up a politician who visited him in prison.
The media is making a mountain out of a molehill like the actress seduced him. Nah. He seduces the whole fucking planet. He could get Hillary to suck his dick in less than 5 minutes if they ever met. Ultimate drug dealer game. People who have seen his 17 minute video are amazed how disarming and charming he carries himself.