(01-06-2016 01:11 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @ Detroit

Bringing random chicks around your people is always a mistake. My ex has more of my real life friends in he list than i do.

WIA

Same here. Women are social chameleons who can seamlessly ingratiate themselves with your inner circle, and have you looking in from the outside before long.

(01-06-2016 10:50 AM)redbeard Wrote:  I'm curious what everyone's post-bang plan is, if you had a solid connection with the girl.

Looking back, one of my issues in 2015 was diving in too soon with girls I really clicked with.

I wouldn't do standard beta moves like ask to be exclusive or take them on fancy trips, but I would emotionally progress the relationship too much or see them too often. The latter hindered my player vibe and put me more into a boyfriend position.

Referencing GLL's Retention Guide, I definitely contact girls too much. Young girls just want to text all the time to see what's going on.

I'm no LTR or even second date king by any stretch, but I've found the following to be the best for me. I use some strategies from Corey Wayne's post first date/first bang follow-up strategy.

The idea is to get it to where she's always reaching out and doing the initiating of the texting and you just use those as opportunities to set the next date. Obviously easier said than done.

I like doing it this way, because it's non-needy and women fall in love much slower than men or at least become infatuated slower than men.

In a nutshell, after the first date or bang:

1. If she texts you that night or within the next few days presumably telling you she had a good time, you get back to her later (next morning or later that day )telling her you did too and "we should do it again sometime." When she agrees, suggest the and set the second date: "when are you free to get together?" Set a definite date. Get off the phone.

2. If you don't hear from her post date/bang, wait until early the next week and send her an opener text. After a few decent exchanges, suggest another get together. Set a definite date then get off the phone.

3. Rinse and repeat. In short, when she reaches out, use it to suggest and set the next date. If she doesn't, wait until next week to text her.

If she's always busy or won't commit after like 2 or 3 date offers, just text: Sounds like you're busy. when you figure out your schedule let me know"

If she never texts back, Next.

Wayne's premise is that as long as you don't over pursue and her interest is a "5" or more on a 10 scale, she'll eventually get to the point that she's always initiating texts. Usually by week 7 - 8, assuming you've been seeing her fairly regular and hooking up, she'll start to fall in love. Then, you just sit back and when she reaches out, suggest and set the next date. If she's chasing you, she can't be dumping you.

Hangout, have fun and hookup.

Never bring up the relationship status or the "what are we?" question or vibe. She has to bring it up and it has to be her idea to "define the relationship." You're just a fun loving, no fucks given alpha giving her great sex who calls her once a week to do something and bang. If she calls or texts before then "hey great to hear from you babe. when are you free to get together?"

If you can be banging other women, it's an added bonus.

He talks a bit about this here:

Nice to see Corey Wayne getting some love on the forum. I've known about his work for about a year now but have only started strictly applying it over the last month. Here's how my results panned out:

Total women: 4
Second dates: 3 (the 4th woman I nexted for being socially weird on our first date)
Makeouts: 3
Bangs: 1

Note: The two women who I didn't bang I nexted since they were both in active husband/provider hunting mode and that wasn't my goal. Nonetheless both reached out to me after our second dates, just as predicted.

Granted it's a small sample size but I'm already seeing just how predictable women are in their behavior when applying Wayne's strategies. The key is to apply them just as described and not cherry pick or modify it.

Been on a roll the past few days. I've been getting an insane amount of attention from women recently. I wish I knew exactly why so that I could better understand what's going on when I'm in a slow period.

A solid 8 college girl opened me and got my number at a club last night. I briefly opened another girl and she brushed me off. Then later she came around and said she'd been thinking about me. Her friends pulled her away but I got her number. Then I went out to eat after the club and pulled a girl out from under a guy (not sure if he was a gay friend or hipster orbiter) she was hanging out with and brought her back to my hotel room.

Today I was walking around a college campus and it seemed like every 3rd hot girl was making solid eye contact and doing the little submissive downwards glance when I smiled at them. A girl even opened me while we were in line at the parking permit meter and an older but still very attractive woman opened me and walked with me for a while.

Here are my thoughts on what's going on:
- I've been doing more back and chest exercises which has dramatically improved my posture.
- I've been running 3-4 days a week and that's led me to be much more relaxed and even keeled throughout the day.
- I'm not desperate. My sex drive has been lower recently and it's given me amazing outcome independence.
- I'm confident as fuck. My career is taking off. I know how to fuck well. The more chicks I interact with positively the less I care about any individual one.

My LTR is now firmly in the rear view mirror. I'm in my mid 30s and can feel my SMV peaking. It's pretty awesome.

There's nothing like a blow job in the kitchen while she is cooking dinner and as soon as she finishes you off, gets back to cooking and then makes you a plate and brings it to you.

Just a little rant about online game, nothing groundbreaking

This shit is so fucking frustrating... I have tons of numbers in my phone, even more online conversations with good banter, solid back and forth responses, they literally tell me how awesome I am, offer me their numbers themselves, then when you invite them to hangout with you, or even sometimes reengage them 2-3 days later after a very solid conversation where they tell you you'll meet soon, RADIO SILENCE. Or when you have solid SMS game with her, you ask them to hangout and then poof, it's over.

I know this is typical of the game itself, and even more on online, but damn, I am getting real mad about it.

I don't know how to bypass this. Do you guys have an explanation about that refusal to meet even tough they show mad interest in conversation? I am interested in hearing your input. Thank you all

It's interesting.

There suddenly seems to be an epidemic of young attractive women's relatives having to go to the hospital for some unfortunate reasons.

Yesterday, it was an 18 year old student athlete I had a date with. She was out of town looking over her poor uncle and couldn't make it so texted and flaked a few hours before the date.

Just now, a 22 year old latina girl I had a date with at 8.00 tonight, sends me a text just now saying a family member got in an accident and SHE has to head out of town after work to visit the unfortunate family member. I notice this coincides with her canceling her online account where I met her this afternoon.

Relative in an accident? Uh huh....

I really want to send a smart ass text so baaaadly to these liars.

Well, let's see how this 'epidemic' plays out. I've got two dates set for tomorrow. Two for Friday and one on Saturday.

It's getting where you have to set up 3 or 4 definite dates ( time and place) to actually get one real date.

For this week at least, hyper-flaking is the norm.

Let's see how the second half of the week plays out. Redemption is possible. The glass is half full I say.

Great advice, as usual, robreke.

It seems to me that when I did good retention game, I was traveling often. My two longest mini-LTR's of this year began with a bang and then my departure the next morning. The girls ate it up, I was this cool young guy who banged them out, had a great time, and then disappeared.

At the same time, I also had more girls cooking when I was practicing good harem management. Less girls = more horniness, and as a NoFapper, I figure why the fuck not? This is a cool girl? If she wants to come over 2-3 times a week and bang, my boner will gladly oblige.

Gmanifesto spoke on the importance of travel + other girls here.

Quote:Travel
This is the key. When you first meet a girl, you have to imply/tell a girl you travel a lot. For your humble author, this is easy, since I do. After you take her home that night and swoop her, tell her you have to go on a trip to Rio de Janeiro or Latvia or something. It’s the perfect “cool out”. Then call her a week and a half later and swoop her again. Rinse and Repeat. Sooner or later, she will meet some Ed Hardy shirt guy that will sponsor her and she will break up with you!

Other Girls
Always say “what up” and give other girls you run into “two kisses” greetings when you are “dating” a girl. Get other girls phone numbers in front of the girl you are “dating”. Say something like, “she is on the board of such and such charity. She is a good girl to know”. After a while, even the most confident of girls (yes, I have done this on the most self assured Flyest Girls) will get edgy. It has to be natural though. Havoc said it best; “Hav’ don’t change for no chick, and they adapt to him. Never get cool with you ni$ggaz, I end up clappin ‘em”

I'm adding "better retention" to my game goals for 2016. Now that I'm not traveling around for work so much this should be possible. I aim to increase my abundance mentality even more.

Great video and technique, robreke. I think it'll work well with my current gameplan, which is pretty much GLL phone game. Going forward, I'll send the first post bang text the morning after, to prevent false rape claims, and it'll look something like this:

me: hey I had fun last night
her: hey! me too lol you left a handprint on my ass thanks

3-4 days later

me: haha yea let's do it again sometime





her: yada yada

Now I'll pick up the phone and call her to set up our next meetup in a few days.

For the girls who I don't bang, the "Sounds like you're busy. when you figure out your schedule let me know" will work. I'm sure it will drive young girls up the wall.

Less bullshit texting, more setting up plans to bang.

^ Another point on avoiding false rape claims is, after the date, if she's driving home herself or taking an uber, tell her to "let me know when you get home/shoot me a quick text"

They usually always do because the warm fuzzies and happy juices are still flowing. e.g.: "I'm home! had a great time tonight playa! "

Then you've got an excuse to respond the next day and fish for her interest in another meet up.

Two birds with one stone.

I like this guy.

Going to a chicks house to "teach her how to make a steak"

It's amazing what girls will do to get a thigh-shaking orgasm.

I.e. Anything.

This yoga instructor just left a note in my fridge asking for an even kinkier RP scenario next time I invite her over.

Lucky for her, I have lots and lots of equipment.

Sometimes I wonder what I think about this attraction stuff.

Recently went out partying with some folks from my dance class, then went karaoke afterwards. Almost from the beginning one of the girls expressed interest in me, starting with "Sorry, what's you're name?" when I hadn't even addressed her yet.

At karaoke, arms around eachother, having a good time, alcohol working it's magic... afterwards it was only natural to invite her back to mine to "sober up".

For five hours we made out and did everything... except penis-in-vagina sex. Because she was a virgin (and still is) and she was saving herself for marriage. Guess that crucifix necklace wasn't just for show. Despite that she blew me and I went to town on her with my hands. She was extremely reactive and sensitive since, apparently, she hadn't been with a guy before.

Afterwards she left for home. We exchanged numbers. Maybe I'll see her again, maybe not.

So what am I trying to say... If a girl is really into you, she will pretty much LET YOU KNOW. There will be no shit tests or obstacles. She will make it as easy as possible for you to get her from point A to point B. But this is just putting yourself out there and keeping your eyes open. That, in itself, isn't game.

I suppose that Game, to me, is about spontaneous creation of chemistry/attraction, where none existed before. Whereas in the situation above I merely capitalised on what already existed, I didn't really do anything to create something that wasn't already there. Almost like Engineering vs Alchemy.

And the funny thing is, I was probably already aware of this. But until you put yourself out there and experience it for yourself, you never actually KNOW, deep in your bones.

Shows how noob I still am. Gotta up my magic in the new year.

Whoop! Got the phone call I've been waiting for today! I applied and interviewed for a promotion at the end of last year and just got the call telling me I've got the job!

It's a big promotion both in terms of responsibility, pay and requiring me to move to Asia.
I get to choose between Singapore and KL, no idea which one to choose though. I made a thread over in the travel section if anyone has any advice.

I'm so pumped right now!

Met a young tenderoni on SA.
One night I was pissed so with all the leads that were cold on SA I said "fuck it" I was unable to send dick pics but I would tell them they deserve to be eaten and fucked for their behavior. 4 of them laughed in response, 1 replied with "ok", and two were warm to the idea and ended up with both numbers. I haven't replied to those 4 but ill try to turn them into something workable.

As to the two numbers, i got one young tenderoni coming from out of town, never been to nyc, but she's in school, taking the bus into ny. She's cute, slim, easy on the eyes, got the whole innocent thing going. But yet she's coming so who knows.

I think I'll take her to the hotel first thing so she can "freshen up" and go for the first bang. then maybe let her see the city before returning for round 2 and 3. Then send her home.

From your experience, is it better to get her right from the bus station to the hotel, or is it better to get a bit of comfort at a cafe before going for the smash?

I'm used to drinks and smash, never really went from initial meet, straight to hotel, to smash.

(01-07-2016 03:47 AM)Tengen Wrote:  Sometimes I wonder what I think about this attraction stuff.

Recently went out partying with some folks from my dance class, then went karaoke afterwards. Almost from the beginning one of the girls expressed interest in me, starting with "Sorry, what's you're name?" when I hadn't even addressed her yet.

At karaoke, arms around eachother, having a good time, alcohol working it's magic... afterwards it was only natural to invite her back to mine to "sober up".

For five hours we made out and did everything... except penis-in-vagina sex. Because she was a virgin (and still is) and she was saving herself for marriage. Guess that crucifix necklace wasn't just for show. Despite that she blew me and I went to town on her with my hands. She was extremely reactive and sensitive since, apparently, she hadn't been with a guy before.

Afterwards she left for home. We exchanged numbers. Maybe I'll see her again, maybe not.

So what am I trying to say... If a girl is really into you, she will pretty much LET YOU KNOW. There will be no shit tests or obstacles. She will make it as easy as possible for you to get her from point A to point B. But this is just putting yourself out there and keeping your eyes open. That, in itself, isn't game.

I suppose that Game, to me, is about spontaneous creation of chemistry/attraction, where none existed before. Whereas in the situation above I merely capitalised on what already existed, I didn't really do anything to create something that wasn't already there. Almost like Engineering vs Alchemy.

And the funny thing is, I was probably already aware of this. But until you put yourself out there and experience it for yourself, you never actually KNOW, deep in your bones.

Shows how noob I still am. Gotta up my magic in the new year.

This girl was an example of EXTREME sexually available. Young girl? Virgin?

Unlike most club rats, she doesn't have any of the major roadblocks to sexual availability:

-Boyfriend, fuckbuddy, FWB, etc
-Bad nightclub experiences
-Mental issues
-Life drama (job, career, family)

If she goes out, and sees a guy she's interested in, she's going to make it easy for him to make a move. Why would she shit test? She doesn't have other guys pushing for her attention as much. She hasn't been pumped and dumped by forum members other guys.

At the other end of the spectrum are the party girls who have ALL of the roadblocks, including a few Dubai billionaires hitting her up regularly.

Most girls will fall in between on the spectrum. Maybe they'll have a FWB, who they haven't seen in a few weeks. Maybe they had a bad week but want to get drunk, and maybe have sex. This majority of girls is where Game comes into play.

Good to have you posting again, Tengen, but please no Mystery Method magic tricks on these hoes.

Anyone ever get into banging a chick while husband watches? Some hot milf just presented that to me.
Kinda freaky the whole idea. She wants us all to meet for drinks on her dime

Met up with what I thought was a really cute and in shape 24 year old MILF.

It was a pain in the ass, she flaked on me, I flaked on her, she even shit tested me twice saying I should drive to her and how she hates driving.

Basically I had to call her out on it, and she explained honestly why. Where I explained I drive alot for work also, so she finally relented and we met halfway.

Definitely was disappointing, but I was able to flex my social skill a bit.

Unfortunately she did have a bit of acne scarring, on top of that she literally wore a sweater that said, "I'd Rather Be Someone's Shot of Whiskey Than Everyone's Cup of Tea".

Her fitness photos don't look the same as her in real life, it could the wait high jeans she was wearing, I hate those things.

One of the first things I called her out on, she laughed and was a bit embarrassed about it.

We grab a few drinks, chat, I can tell she's shy, and bit nervous. I tease her about both.

She isn't very life experienced, it bled through our conversation. A major reason for that is having a child so young. She doesn't bring up the baby daddy, but let it be known that she has her son every other week.

I walked up to this dual couple and talked about shooting pool, made friends real quick. One of the girls kept profusely apologizing for lagging her game. That girl even grabbed my hand for an extended period of time while talking to me. Interesting.

This other girl opens me asks how my night was going and where I'm from, I introduce the girl I'm with, turns out their from the same city and the same apartment complex, small world.

My date was a bit more flirty as we kept playing, she hates to lose, just like I do. I beat her at our game, then we beat this couple, then lost to two dudes.

As I was shooting pool, I noticed a few girls walking by would smile and give me the "look" as they smile. Sometimes I think I'd do great rolling solo.

We chatted a bit more, people watched, then bounced. We walked to our cars, she gave me a hug, but I held onto her and we madeout in the rain for a bit.

Told her to text me when she got home, she did, I didn't reply.

Overall the date was cool, I wish she was hotter, not sure if I'm going to aggressively go after her, I got that player burn out.

Or maybe it's the fact I was sick the last 2 days and still fee groggy.

I actually called a date I flaked on Tuesday and told her I wasn't feeling to well, she sounded very feminine and receptive and we plan on meeting today.

I think I'm going to skip the gym, and shop for furniture for my room. Then meet up with my date.

This is about a NY mix-up from last week. I've been getting back into the game after a long hiatus, and I've been extra reliant on alcohol to shake off the jitters. It definitely burned me, as a blackout period caused me to miss critical details.

I remember little of midnight, with my memories blurred out between roughly 11pm and 1am. I'll put in my best guess for what happened.

I had just moved to a new city with no solid prospects, so cheesy amateur night or not I was going out NYE. I picked a club where I'd had some fun nights and was building relations with staff, and went out early to make sure I got in. Rolled solo.

Unfortunately that led to a lot of stand-around-and-drink time waiting for the crowds--I felt the social pressure of the large groups and had to get myself amped enough to deal with them. I drank much more than usual, and there were at least a few shots mixed in with random people which pushed me past my point of control.

It must have worked out, as my blacked out self got something going with two girls. I apparently hit it off and then got separated from both. As this was during the blurred memory stage of the evening, I'm piecing it together from my phone history.

Girl-1:
Swapped numbers at 11:57pm
Had a phone call at 12:26am
She texted me at 12:28am trying to find me

Girl-2
Swapped numbers at 12:50am,
Had a bunch of drunken "where are you?" "I'm over at bar XYZ" type texts between 1:02 and 1:10am
Phone call at 1:12am, where we figured out where each other was

At this point I met up with Girl-2, who along with her friend wanted to call it a night. I invited them back to my place which was a 5 min walk away (thank you RVF for beating the importance of logistics into my head). My memories start coming back here, as I remember walking a few blocks, running into a male friend of the girls, and letting him tag along.

We got back to my studio, and the other girl and guy got on the sofa while I took the bed with Girl-2. I was still drunk enough to be shameless, so bad hospitality or not I went for it with her friends passed out 10 ft away. I did remember the condom the first time, though got irresponsible later on.

Morning comes and I'm barely coherent after the late night and heavy drinking. I roll over, wish her good morning, start to say her name...and draw a blank. I remember both girl's names but am not sure which one is hers, so I take the 50/50 flip of the coin and say Lisa [not the real name of course], and as she doesn't respond in a negative way I figure I'm right.

Her friends want to peace out. "Lisa" can't find her earring and finally gives up on it, so we say our goodbyes and everyone heads out. I hit the sofa and proceed to curl up for the afternoon.

Around 3pm I get a txt from Lisa. At first I was pleased to have her re-initiate after hooking up but I then had some doubts. While I had called Girl-2 Lisa and she didn't react, I know that if this is actually the other girl and she's texting me on NY day I'd be screwing up a potentially easy hookup if I mis-text.

Of course, that's exactly what ends up happening! I had since found Girl-2's earring, and in the middle of texting Lisa about making plans I drop the earring. She immediately responds to tell me "Wrong girl". Oops.

Looking back on the phone history now I should have realized that in the moment. I still consider the night a win, though I have to remember to keep the drinking under control and maybe start taking some phone notes or something if I'm getting blurred.

I did search the forum for any ideas on how to respond to the "Wrong girl" text and didn't see anything. Anyone got an idea? I figured it was a dead end so I didn't follow-up, but if I had a hail mary to try I would have gone for it. Nothing to lose and all that.

Well...its currently looking like I have two flakes. The asian chick from OKC and this cute black chick from Tinder. Both presented Friday as days they were free. Followed up with both but no responses as of yet. Both are like low 7s. I should know for sure later tonight.

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(01-07-2016 03:40 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  Well...its currently looking like I have two flakes. The asian chick from OKC and this cute black chick from Tinder. Both presented Friday as days they were free. Followed up with both but no responses as of yet. Both are like low 7s. I should know for sure later tonight.

Did you ask their evening week schedule first ? I would've countered that you had plans on Fridays. Maybe reschedule for early that week.

I'd be willing to bet if there were stats on flakes, Friday/Saturday dates would be the highest flaking days.

I never setup dates on Fridays, I always push for the week.

Fridays are for plates or myself. Saturday is usually for work me/a show/friends. Sundays are work and meal prep.

Don't discount Friday and Saturday.

Sunday-Thursday are for dates, where you and her meet at a predetermined place/time for a specific activity that could lead to sex.

Friday-Saturday are for meetups. Texts should stay casual.

her: "what about Saturday?"
me: "I'll be out with my friends wyd"
her: "me too"
me: "kewl maybe we'll cross paths"

I had a few +1 bangs this past year where me and a girl would set plans like this. BUT you cannot push more than she pushes. You are out to have a good time with your friends and collect phone #'s. If she runs into you...awesome. If not...keep it moving

(01-07-2016 07:52 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 03:40 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  Well...its currently looking like I have two flakes. The asian chick from OKC and this cute black chick from Tinder. Both presented Friday as days they were free. Followed up with both but no responses as of yet. Both are like low 7s. I should know for sure later tonight.

Did you ask their evening week schedule first ? I would've countered that you had plans on Fridays. Maybe reschedule for early that week.

I'd be willing to bet if there were stats on flakes, Friday/Saturday dates would be the highest flaking days.

I never setup dates on Fridays, I always push for the week.

Fridays are for plates or myself. Saturday is usually for work me/a show/friends. Sundays are work and meal prep.

For the first one I proposed a date (place and time), and she only gave me Friday. I'd been long-gaming the asian chick for a bit and she works during the week. I think the last time we tried to set something up, she mentioned being free on a Sunday.

I should of countered but I kind of went to lock-it in after she showed that she'd possibly be down. That could be half of the reason she hasn't gotten back. I asked her on the date Sunday and she gave me Friday.

For the Black chick, I went for it after four-text on my side. I didn't ask about her evenings or build enough rapport with her over text. She had a freaking smiley as a bio. I'd put her in place of the first girl.

I've never checked for evenings during the week except with the blonde chick from before. However I did schedule both dates for later in the day.

At the moment, if either choose to reengage, a bang is least likely to happen because I won't have a place to pull.

Fuck. I'm on a roll.

Started out as a slow night. My text game is whack. The two numbers I got on Tuesday + the girl who came back to my hotel all went quiet. Treated myself to a nice dinner at the nicest restaurant in town. Thought about inviting a chick along but realized I'd rather just dine alone and game later. After dinner I was tired so I went back to my hotel and as my head hit the pillow I thought, 'fuck this' and went out to a spot I used to have on lock. Tried to open a few chicks, didn't get anywhere. Finally a blonde and brunette come in with a guy. The blonde seems stuck up, the brunette seems friendly. The blonde asks me to take a picture of the three of them, I tell her she's being rude. Then I say, ok, I'll take your picture but only if your friend dances with me. Brunette and I dance, I'm a fucking kick ass dancer. We dance a few more times. Another dude who'd been trying to AMOG all night tries to cut in and I smoothly body check him half way across the room. The brunette winces and then pulls in closer. We go back to the bar and she insists I dance with her friend. Blonde and I start dancing and she melts. After a few song we end up making out hard on the dance floor. Go the number, tried to pull back to the hotel but failed. C'est la vie.

Not sure what happened at the end of the night. The blonde went to the bathroom for a long time then came out and was really cold. Maybe she texted a bf or some other guy she's sweating? I should have tried to pull her directly from the dance floor to my hotel. Still a great fucking night.