Post: #251

(01-02-2016 05:54 PM)kbell Wrote:  A friend of mine who has read the books for the movie claimed that she was trained as a jedi by birth, but memory wiped. Kylo Ren was supposed to infiltrate the dark side but was seduced by it, and the Snooks guy is dead and a force ghost.

Rather unfortunate implications all round there.

- Remember when Superman kissed away Lois's memories in Superman 2 in order to remove her knowledge that he was Superman? Nerds are still shitting their pants on that one and accusing Superman of "mindraping" Lois. Now we have the prospect that Rey's head was not just invaded by Luke Skywalker, but that it was done when she was a teenager or under and (the Most Important Part) it was AN OLDER MAN! Doing it to A YOUNG WOMAN!

- You don't infiltrate the Dark Side, you infiltrate the First Order and/or the Knights of Ren. Which, assuming Kylo didn't run off and do it on his own initiative, also makes Luke a really, really shit judge of character and readiness since the risk of sending an untrained Force-sensitive into a seductive situation with the Dark Side he knows personally since Ben told him so explicitly: "This is a dangerous time for you, when you will be tempted by the Dark Side."

- Snoke is a ... Force Ghost? You gotta be shitting me. Force Ghosts only happen via the Light Side, on all the movie canon: that's the distinction between Dark Side and Light Side -- the Sith sought to cheat death outright, the Jedi learned to retain consciousness after death (via Qui-Gon, and then Yoda, and then Obi-Wan and Anakin last.)

Post: #252

I posted my review on the other Star Wars thread:

I saw the movie and I hated pretty much everything in it aside from the cute little robot.

SPOILERS.....

I won't be spending any more money on that crap, because they really dumbed down and destroyed the entire story and recreated it into feminist and revisionist crap.

1. Rey's character as others have said was an orphan without education who survived since childhood on a desert planet scavanging metal parts and selling scrap for food. Despite all that she became a master of enginges, engineering, piloting, knew the MIllennium Falcon better after minutes than Han Solo after decades. She also became a master at combat, wields a massive staff, is so strong in the force that she surpasses a young Sith who can literally stop energy blasts with the force - she surpasses him after mere minutes where she learns the force suckling on the air. She is a teenage superwoman genius engineer, genius pilot, genius wonderkid Super-Jedi. Actually if they would give her 30 more minutes, she should be able to crush Yoda, Luke and any the entire First Order. She is the ultimate feminist girl, who does not need a man and she is also wonderfully asexual in the movie friendzoning Finn like a good feminist champ.

2. Finn - frankly seeing the movie I did not care in the least that he was black. I cared that he was an ugly, stumpy looking, half-the-movie sweating, cowardly, illogical in behavior and uncharismatic guy. He seemed to be the Jar-Jar-Finn who more or less stumbled along, tried to save the damsel while not getting even a peck in return. The Samuel L. Jackson was one of the most powerful Jedis in the universe and now they got Finn - Rey's sidekick, short friendzoned motherfucker who sweats a lot.

3. The main villain - Adam Driver - is in fact 6"3 and sinewy ripped. The costume somehow deliberately changed that. In reality he should tower over everyone there. I liked him more in his portrayal of Lena Dungham boyfriend, because he had more dark charisma in that movie than in this Star Wars sequel by JarJar Abrams.



What we know of the character is also ridiculous. We see a self-doubting wimp, who despite all his inner turmoil was trained by Luke Skywalker, likely turned over to the dark side in the old Jedi Academy and was powerful enough to kill other trainees back then. We can assume that he was trained almost since birth being Luke's nephew. Then he was continued to be trained by a Sith. In the end you got a Sith or Dark Jedi or whatever who could hold energy projectiles with the force.

Unfortunately this 6'3 200 pound colossus in both strength and force who trained with the laser sword since childhood was almost defeated by Finn a stormtrooper who held a sword for the second time in his life and a 5'7 90 pound girl who just found minutes before that she was a force user. She was powerful enough to pummel one of the most powerful new Jedis in training (we can safely assume that he was one of the best students of Luke or even the best).

Nevermind that he was wounded before - that is just bullocks and a flat excuse by Abrams to pull that shit off. Any soldier and fighter knows that adrenaline shuts off pain and Jedis have superb mind-powers. Even if he would have had need for more concentration for force use, his sword fighting would have been instinctive and the fights would have ended in 3 seconds with both Finn's and Rey's heads lying in the snow.

Even if someone makes the statement that Rey was trained since birth and then got her mind wiped, then Kylo Ren would fit the same profile, only him being probably older and way more experienced. Or did her hypnotic state on that desert planet last 5 days? She is the ultimate Mary Sue fanfiction character - just feminist fanfiction, that no one except feminists and the mainstream media wants to see.

4. The story was a total rehash of the first movie - they just made a bigger Death Star.

5. Also the entire setup sucked. What the fuck happened in the last decades? Coruscant was comprised of thousands of races and planets, the rebellion won and regained control of the galaxy, so why the fuck were the rebels comprised of some Hobbit-hills and a few dozen paltry ships and a couple planets? And why the fuck did they recruit the First Order in Luton, UK?

6. I even did not like the visual aspects, because they tried to make everything gritty and animalistic. Finn sweated like a pig for 40% of the movie and Rey even looked like a sweaty menial worker in many scenes. In fact all the characters seemed to have been made deliberately ugly. I cannot remember Harrison Ford to look shit as in this movie. They added a hyper-reality filter that showed every pimple I guess.

7. Some scenes were positively B-movie. Like the stormtrooper wanting to kick Finn's ass and throwing away his blaster only to fight a lethal sword with a non-lethal stun baton. He should know that defending against a blaster is only possible for force users since anyone else would die unable to anticipate the shots.

Oh - and the aliens in Han's ship were also B-movie material - they even looked cheap.

8. And why the fuck was the leader of all the seemingly elite stormtroopers a woman? As far as I could see they were all men in combat, but lorded over by one woman. She must have fucked her way to the top, because I cannot imagine that they had no one better for a leadership position of elite infantry men. Men respect abilities and I doubt she surpassed each and everyone of the best of the best. But hey - it's 2015 and women can do it all.

So finally I would say it was visually crap, story crap, feminism and propaganda galore - watchable for hardcore Star Wars fans and SJWs who want to see stupendous girl-power shown.

Even the worst of the Lucas movies was by far better than this shit.


By the way - Lucas is right - it was more a remake of a movie and nothing original. No wonder they had to kill Han Solo off, because he was the old scoundrel of old "toxic" masculinity. They replaced it with the idiotic, simplistic, uncertain and moronic one - those men who are secretly weak and questioning, but only put up a strong facade. God - I hate those feminist motherfuckers and their SJW brigades of movie-makers.

At least I won't be spending any more money on it.

Post: #253

What I don't understand is this: why are so many people forking over money to see this at the theatre when they already know beforehand that it's going to suck? Are you gluttons for punishment or something?

Post: #254

Yes. Its a hope that the next star wars will be the like the original series.

Post: #255

(01-03-2016 11:29 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  What I don't understand is this: why are so many people forking over money to see this at the theatre when they already know beforehand that it's going to suck? Are you gluttons for punishment or something?

I fully admit i've seen lots of shitty films in the theater.

There's an impulsive need for me to sit in the theater and watch a movie from time to time based on nostalgia.

Most movies suck but the theater experience can sometimes even make lame films somewhat entertaining.

Plus it's not always the movie itself (especially when it's mostly a hyped piece of shit) but the experience leading up to and after going to the movie.

Post: #256

There are two threads where this movie is discussed on the forum. I want to re-post these thoughts of mine from the other thread because I think it would be great if they gained some volume:


The star wars fans must unite and force this movie to be considered non-cannon!

If a new replacement movie is made then it must be made with the fallowing changes:

1) There are no rebels. There is Republic Army, because in previous movie the republic has won and has been restored.

2) There is no First order. There are remnants of the Imperial forces. Imperial generals fight among themselves for supremacy. A new dark shadow emerges that unites them. This could even be the old Emperor using a cloned body like in the old extended universe, that was much better plotwise then this shit. I fucking loved Darth Sideous the best movie villain ever.

3)Han Solo is not a loser scoundrel anymore but a general and hero for Republican Army. Could be retired. Could be just a wise man who gives advice or appears as cameo or doesn't appear at all. But he shouldn't be a divorced and broken loser who hasn't progressed at all from the previous movie except getting older.

4)Stopping blaster shot in air is not a new ability shown by an emo weakling villain, it is an ability introduced by Luke Skywalker who has invented something new, showing that he is next in line of great jedi masters.

5)Reading thoughts trough force is not a new ability demonstrated by an emo weakling villain. It is an ability introduced trough a powerful villain.

6) No more Death stars - give us something new please!

7)The girl - Rey - is not an expert pilot and technician. She masters force powers slowly starting from something very simple. I liked the way she first used mind trick, it was funny, but it should take place no sooner than in second movie after she has seen her mentor - Luke - do it.

8)A chrome colored stormtrooper is not female. He doesn't gets taken hostige, but shows some badass skills and kills at least 5 republic soldiers on screen as well as makes some smart tactical move that screws heroes for a while.

9)The defected stormtrooper is not in love and friendzoned by jedi girl. Instead she herself is in love in some strong male protagonist whom this movie is strongly lacking.

10)Kylo Ren might be Han's son and may fall to dark side. And he may even kill Han Solo the way he did. But like Ray his powers are still very limited to match his emo character.

11) The movies could be a competiton between two Jedi younglings - Rey and Kylo training trough three movies and competing to see who would become stronger - Ray using Light side or Kylo using Dark side.

12)Even so Ray and Kylo never reach the level of Luke and the main villain who also fight in the finale.

13)Han Solo is not acting like he sees Wookie bowcaster for the first time.

Post: #257

Saw the movie. Liked it. 3/4, nothing great. Overblown outrage for a kid's movie, in my honest opinion.

Post: #258

I liked it. I liked the originals growing up, and I liked this. It was like the new Star Trek (~2007?) only not as good (and I have no history with Star Trek). 6/10, won't see it again. At least 20 minutes too long.

Nerd thought: I don't recall the Force ever being used to read minds.

Why I'm even writing this post? I was trying to figure out if and why a chic heroine would detract from a movie like this (or other action movie I suppose). I thought about it the entire drive home. It's not obvious. It's not like the entire time I'm hating the main actress, or feeling this insecurity because the hero is a chic. There's nothing overt about the hero in a movie being a girl. As such, I'm not a guy who says "it sucks because the hero is a girl" or anything like that.

I couldn't figure it out until it just dawned on me. It's because the inexperienced, poor, beta, unsuccessful, homeless, young woman is not nearly as low on society as a insecure kid (young Luke). The young hottie in this new movie...ok, she's inexperienced, poor, no family, etc...but she's still a totally hot babe. If she goes through trials and tribulations and defeats the Dark Side, she'll just be an older less attractive hot babe who defeated the Dark Side.

Young Luke Skywalker is a loser, not only to the characters in the movie, but to the audience. Young Rey is a gorgeous young woman to the audience, so if she's portrayed in the movie as a loser, it's not believable.

Far more believable as a young stupid *insignificant* loser kid -->    

Not believable as a young stupid *insignificant* loser chic -->    

Post: #259

Yeah I got that vibe too. She is a bit too attractive for an everyman (or in this case everywoman and mangina). Its probably a good thing she doesn't have much a figure or woman would tune her out too. She never seemed that grimey either for living in that environment.

Post: #260

(01-06-2016 05:26 PM)heavy Wrote:  Nerd thought: I don't recall the Force ever being used to read minds.

Not for mindraping as such, but there is a precedent for it: during Luke and Vader's final duel in ROTJ.

Vader: Your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong, especially for ... sister! So -- you have a twin sister! Your feelings have now betrayed her too. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the Dark Side, then perhaps she will!

Post: #261

(01-06-2016 05:26 PM)heavy Wrote:  I liked it. I liked the originals growing up, and I liked this. It was like the new Star Trek (~2007?) only not as good (and I have no history with Star Trek). 6/10, won't see it again. At least 20 minutes too long.

Nerd thought: I don't recall the Force ever being used to read minds.

Why I'm even writing this post? I was trying to figure out if and why a chic heroine would detract from a movie like this (or other action movie I suppose). I thought about it the entire drive home. It's not obvious. It's not like the entire time I'm hating the main actress, or feeling this insecurity because the hero is a chic. There's nothing overt about the hero in a movie being a girl. As such, I'm not a guy who says "it sucks because the hero is a girl" or anything like that.

I couldn't figure it out until it just dawned on me. It's because the inexperienced, poor, beta, unsuccessful, homeless, young woman is not nearly as low on society as a insecure kid (young Luke). The young hottie in this new movie...ok, she's inexperienced, poor, no family, etc...but she's still a totally hot babe. If she goes through trials and tribulations and defeats the Dark Side, she'll just be an older less attractive hot babe who defeated the Dark Side.

Young Luke Skywalker is a loser, not only to the characters in the movie, but to the audience. Young Rey is a gorgeous young woman to the audience, so if she's portrayed in the movie as a loser, it's not believable.

Far more believable as a young stupid *insignificant* loser kid -->

Not believable as a young stupid *insignificant* loser chic -->

That's because "female" as hero is always inauthentic. Throughout history and in every culture "the chosen one" is male. That's what resonates. This isn't my opinion but rather a cornerstone of Joseph Campbell's work. (I think anyone who is a true film / movie fan should understand his "Hero's Journey" premise at least on a basic level) Making a female as the primary hero is just contrived PC nonsense

Late in his life, Campbell had this to say:

“ All of the great mythologies and much of the mythic story-telling of the world are from the male point of view. When I was writing The Hero with a Thousand Faces and wanted to bring female heroes in, I had to go to the fairy tales. These were told by women to children, you know, and you get a different perspective. It was the men who got involved in spinning most of the great myths. The women were too busy; they had too damn much to do to sit around thinking about stories. [...]
In the Odyssey, you'll see three journeys. One is that of Telemachus, the son, going in quest of his father. The second is that of the father, Odysseus, becoming reconciled and related to the female principle in the sense of male-female relationship, rather than the male mastery of the female that was at the center of the Iliad. And the third is of Penelope herself, whose journey is [...] endurance. Out in Nantucket, you see all those cottages with the widow's walk up on the roof: when my husband comes back from the sea. Two journeys through space and one through time.[7]"

EDIT It's a well established fact that George Lucas modeled the original Star Wars saga based on the structure Joseph Campbell's "The Hero With A Thousand Faces" proposes

Post: #262

(01-08-2016 03:36 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  EDIT It's a well established fact that George Lucas modeled the original Star Wars saga based on the structure Joseph Campbell's "The Hero With A Thousand Faces" proposes

And Disney modeled The Force Awakens based on the original Star Wars.

Post: #263

Welp, Abrams basically admits he couldn't come up with his own story and raped ANH for Force Awakens:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/aw...ams-853171

Quote:It was obviously a wildly intentional thing that we go backwards, in some ways, to go forwards in the important ways, given that this is a genre — that Star Wars is a kind of specific gorgeous concoction of George [Lucas]'s — that combines all sorts of things. Ultimately the structure of Star Wars itself is as classic and tried and true as you can get. It was itself derivative of all of these things that George loved so much, from the most obvious, Flash Gordon and Joseph Campbell, to the [Akira] Kurosawa references, to Westerns — I mean, all of these elements were part of what made Star Wars."

So Abrams defends not being able to come up with something new and original by saying Lucas wasn't original either. Also implies that nerds wouldn't have recognised a Star Wars film if it didn't ape the original trilogy. What he's driving at here without putting the accusation squarely is that ANH itself is sometimes said to be a shot-for-shot ripoff of Kurosawa's film The Hidden Fortress. But Kurosawa's film doesn't have a Luke Skywalker analogue, and ANH does not involve attacking an enemy castle unless by squinting very heavily. And most importantly, the films don't occupy the same franchise or even the same culture anyway. I haven't got a real big problem with (heh heh heh) cultural appropriation of this kind, because sometimes the transition to another culture brings something new and interesting to the mix, but TFA does not have that excuse.

Quote:He continues, "I can understand that someone might say, 'Oh, it's a complete rip-off!' We inherited Star Wars. The story of history repeating itself was, I believe, an obvious and intentional thing, and the structure of meeting a character who comes from a nowhere desert and discovers that she has a power within her, where the bad guys have a weapon that is destructive but that ends up being destroyed — those simple tenets are by far the least important aspects of this movie, and they provide bones that were well-proven long before they were used in Star Wars."

I'm amazed that I have to say that George Lucas's prequel trilogy did an element better than TFA, but there it is. Lucas handled history 'repeating itself' in a much more subtle and satisfying fashion than Abrams could have dreamed. This is particularly so in Episode One: the podrace features the young Darth Vader in a twin-engined vessel chasing down an X-shaped vessel in a canyon ... but unless you're specifically looking for it you miss it. Big shit floating in space gets blowed up at the end of Ep 1 as well, but again you don't quite catch the Death Star analogy until afterwards, and it's inverted in an interesting way as it's Vader who's responsible for the "Death Star" blowing up, not Luke.

Quote:He adds, "What was important for me was introducing brand new characters using relationships that were embracing the history that we know to tell a story that is new — to go backwards to go forwards. So I understand that this movie, I would argue much more than the ones that follow, needed to take a couple of steps backwards into very familiar terrain, and using a structure of nobodies becoming somebodies defeating the baddies — which is, again, I would argue, not a brand new concept, admittedly — but use that to do, I think, a far more important thing, which is introduce this young woman, who's a character we've not seen before and who has a story we have not seen before, meeting the first Storm Trooper we've ever seen who we get to know as a human being; to see the two of them have an adventure in a way that no one has had yet, with Han Solo; to see those characters go to find someone who is a brand new character who, yes, may be diminutive, but is as far from Yoda as I think a description of a character can get, who gets to enlighten almost the way a wonderful older teacher or grandparent or great-aunt might, you know, something that is confirming a kind of belief system that is rejected by the main character; and to tell a story of being a parent and being a child and the struggles that that entails — clearly Star Wars has always been a familial story, but never in the way that we've told here."

This bit made me sick. It made me realise that Maz Kanata is a hypercompetent female character as bad if not worse than Rey is. Maz not only spits all the personal insights that Yoda did, she also is a female-voiced character who runs a burgeoning bar and antiquities dealership at the same time. But she's foisted on us without any real time or establishment of her character to make her interesting.

Consider how we first meet Yoda in ESB. He comes across as a peabrained comic relief, a little greedy, a bit out for himself. But one conversation with Obi-Wan's spirit and everything about him changes - he goes from seeming minor character or guide to teacher, and the transformation is intense. Compare that with Maz Kanata who just doesn't seem to have any hidden depths at all. She's just an old fucking junk dealer and barmaid who says she's not a Jedi but somehow still has a life-altering insight to offer. More female hypercompetence at work...this time to the post-40 empty womb crowd.

Quote:"And," he goes on, "yes, they destroy a weapon at the end of this movie, but then something else happens which is, I think, far more critical and far more important — and I think even in that moment, when that is happening, the thing I think the audience is focused on and cares more about is not, 'Is that big planet gonna blow up?' — 'cause we all know it's gonna blow up. What you really care about is what's gonna happen in the forest between these two characters who are now alone."

This is contempt for the universe and contempt for the story. Even watching ANH multiple times, Lucas's direction is still superb: you still feel suspense about whether Luke is actually going to make that crucial shot or not. That's what sets him apart from Abrams. Abrams by contrast just gives up any fucking belief in his own ability to make it suspenseful: "we all know it's gonna blow up." Fuck me, man! Are you that fucking jaded! Are you that infected by reading TVtropes you actually think it's impossible to make an audience feel suspense in the third act! Shit, did you consider the idea of using the audience's expectations and not blowing up the superweapon? Failure would be a lot more fucking interesting than just cynically saying "The audience knows we're gonna blow the thing up, let's show them a grrl-power lightsaber battle instead!"

I've got to say, I now want to see what Michael Arndt's draft of the screenplay was. He did a draft or two and then was kicked in favour of something by Abrams and Kasdan. It would be very, very interesting to see what sort of movie that might have been.

Post: #264

Quick summary of thoughts on this, since I disagree with some of the criticism (but not all). Warning: I am careless with spoilers. Sorry.

On the whole, I did not mind the way Abrams pilfered ideas and themes from ANH. It was the same way with Star Trek: Into Darkness and I enjoyed that, too. Overall there was enough originality that I can forgive that general strategy. The movie is a bit shallow. Whether that's a result of the general strategy or not I can't say. I do know that this kind of technique wouldn't work for a second time.

SJW pandering: Honestly not as bad as I expected. I don't care about the black and female leads. They don't bother me to the extent that they're mostly good characters.

Rey: I'm ambivalent. I like the actress. I really like that her character is smart, resourceful, and capable. It's quite reasonable to think that her youth and experience as a scavenger in a harsh environment has given her some useful skills. I also don't mind that she's force-capable. Even the part where she resists the mind probe completely was fine. On the other hand, I really don't like exactly HOW capable she is, particularly her Lightsaber and force-using skills. Perhaps more importantly, I don't like that her only apparent flaw is a fairly mild case of a lack of confidence. If training is not going to be a theme in this series (like it was in all the others), then what's it going to be instead? Blake Neff at the DailyCaller puts it well: If Rey has any flaw at all, it’s only an unwillingness to embrace how awesome she is and use it to save the galaxy.. I'd also say that she has a weakly presented "starry-eye" syndrome that hopefully won't come back.

Other minor gripes about Rey: This might be more about Finn, but the sequence where they meet she's kind of rude and bitchy to him. Granted, he keeps grabbing her hand for silly reasons, but that whole sequence I didn't like. I also think her technical skills are a bit overplayed.


Quick aside:

kbell Wrote:A friend of mine who has read the books for the movie claimed that she was trained as a jedi by birth, but memory wiped.

I don't entirely trust the books a source for what will be ultimately revealed, but the fact remains that an explanation, however valid, doesn't change my problem with the character. It makes her a superhero character, and the last thing we need right now is for Star Wars to be yet another superhero movie.

Finn: I was mildly disappointed by this character, but it wasn't too bad. I was hoping that his stormtrooper training and background would be a little more relevant and interesting. As it turns out, he has virtually none and his history includes being a janitor. However, at least this means he has plenty of room to grow. I would have been far happier if the balance of skills between Rey and Finn had been split up more evenly, but Finn has lots of potential. Him picking up the lightsaber was a bit of a WTF moment, but he does wind up seriously injured.

Kylo Ren: I liked him as I was watching the movie, but I think on repeat viewings I think my views will shift more towards the detractors who call him a whiny and incompetent villain not worthy of the series.

The Storm Trooper Parade: I hated this scene, as well as the name "The First Order". This gratuitous Nazi-inspired imagery is unwelcome in my Star Wars fantasy movie. Sure, the original imperial costumes and manners were inspired by WW2 Nazis, but that's as far as it went. The rest was fantasy or inspired by something else.

The Political Context: While I'm OK that the politics aren't really front-and-center in this movie, what is there is an absolute confusing mess. I'm not even going to bother trying to sort it out here to criticize, suffice to say that I hated it and won't mind at all if the next film retcons all over the place to fix it.

Post: #265

(01-10-2016 10:53 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  I've got to say, I now want to see what Michael Arndt's draft of the screenplay was. He did a draft or two and then was kicked in favour of something by Abrams and Kasdan. It would be very, very interesting to see what sort of movie that might have been.

The original character sketch for Finn said he was supposed to be extremely charismatic.

Post: #266

(01-10-2016 11:58 PM)Blaster Wrote:  Rey: I'm ambivalent. I like the actress. I really like that her character is smart, resourceful, and capable. It's quite reasonable to think that her youth and experience as a scavenger in a harsh environment has given her some useful skills. I also don't mind that she's force-capable. Even the part where she resists the mind probe completely was fine. On the other hand, I really don't like exactly HOW capable she is, particularly her Lightsaber and force-using skills. Perhaps more importantly, I don't like that her only apparent flaw is a fairly mild case of a lack of confidence. If training is not going to be a theme in this series (like it was in all the others), then what's it going to be instead?

I had a horrible thought which I really, really, really hope isn't going to happen:

EU Grey Jedi concepts.

Because why stop at making Rey an overpowered Force-user who masters entire Jedi arts in the space of 20 on-screen minutes. Let's make her capable of using both Dark Side and Light Side powers at once without any sort of cost to her soul. Christ Almighty I hope it's not headed for that.

Post: #267

(01-10-2016 10:53 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  meeting the first Storm Trooper we've ever seen who we get to know as a human being

Haven't seen it.

Will never see it.

This quote, however, jumped out at me. I mentioned this before: SJW's always sympathise with the Bad [Psychological not Literal] Actor in any situation. Of course an SJW would be interested in 'humanising' a Storm Trooper.

Post: #268

I think Star Wars is rip-off of the first three Dune novels and that Rey was modeled off of Siona.

Post: #269

The wife rented this off redbox tonight. I'd heard the complaints, including the big spoiler, and said "meh" to the idea because red box is $2. She knew my take on the movie was "rehash of ANH and I don't like Abrams' work".

I want to say one positive of the movie is that John Williams can still do a great score.

Kylo Ren... What a fucking whining shitty character. When he trashed the console in front of him after being told the droid was on the Falcon, I couldn't take him seriously anymore. And why does his voice sound like someone calling for a price check over the intercom at Walmart?

Funny enough, my wife fell alseep about a half hour before the end. Which is to say 10 minutes before I turned it off after Han was killed.

I knew it was coming. I knew I would hate it. I didn't know I would viscerally disgusted by it to the point of wanting to snap the rental disc in half. I don't know if it's the idea of beloved scoundrel Han Solo dying, the idea that the whiny bitch Kylo did it, or that the patricide was a blatant pandering to the SJWs, or if it was all three, I have never had such a reaction to a movie like this.

Abrams did a fine job wrecking Star Trek with Into Darkness, but he raised the bar to a new level with this.

Post: #270

Ended up picking this movie up from redbox last night since I had a free rental.

- Turned it off after 1:15 into it.

I felt like I was watching a movie made for kids around the ages of 10-14. The "humor" was extremely grating, I really just couldn't take the pathetic one liners from the cast in this movie. The original Star Wars movies had some pretty funny parts in them, but this felt like watching an ABC/NBC/CBS sitcom.

I'm not going to waste anymore time with these movies in the future. I'll just tell myself the original 3 are the only ones that exist and leave it at that.

Post: #271

(04-12-2016 10:44 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  Ended up picking this movie up from redbox last night since I had a free rental.

- Turned it off after 1:15 into it.

I felt like I was watching a movie made for kids around the ages of 10-14. The "humor" was extremely grating, I really just couldn't take the pathetic one liners from the cast in this movie. The original Star Wars movies had some pretty funny parts in them, but this felt like watching an ABC/NBC/CBS sitcom.

I'm not going to waste anymore time with these movies in the future. I'll just tell myself the original 3 are the only ones that exist and leave it at that.

I'm getting around to watching it today; about halfway through and to be honest it look pretty awful, basically everything that people complained about with The Phantom Menace but even worse. (In spite of a lot of cheesy elements and forced cameos, the overarching plot about the Emperor's plan to take over the galaxy in the prequels was quite well done).

So far it just feels like nonstop cheesy CGI action scenes with little to no actual plot, and what little plot there is barely strung together, and almost serves more as just a string of cameos from the previous films.

(ex. The heroes coincidentally find the Millenium Falcon, which they coincidentally know how to operate, and then run into Han Solo's ship all by pure coincidence?)

I guess it suprises me just how fickle these critics can be; but hey on Rotten Tomatoes they gave a highly positive score to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull as well.

Post: #272

I agree, not only did Kylo Ren look stupid (as a human) he was too weird and emotional.

Looking back, I'd give it 2.5 stars max.

I think the 2nd will be pretty decent because it's not Abrams and Luke is the whole point of the series.

Post: #273

I realized only recently that the Star Wars movie is actually a REBOOT of the original trilogies.

They did almost the same as they did with the new Cunt-Ghostbusters.

They changed the rules of the force, made women the main leads and killed off one of the big male old-toxic-masculinity heroes.

In the next movie they can kill of Luke and have the new Super-Mary-Sue-Jedi meet a super-duper-duper female Jedi. Maybe the green turtle will turn out to be a secret female Jedi. She will be her new Yoda. There is a deleted scene in the movie where the turtle lady used the force. So it's likely that she is a powerful force user - maybe they will then claim that she was more powerful than Yoda anyway, which explains why she got the light sword.

In any case - I expect Luke to die tragically and then they will have succeeded in killing off all white toxic males and they will be free to reboot the entire franchise into the full-blown Social Justice Wars.

Post: #274

^^^ LOL

Yes, what's funny is that game of thrones has gone full retard, amazingly, in the whole "Girl Power" realm, as well. Maybe there is a race ... to the bottom, as it were. Unreal.

Post: #275

(06-10-2016 12:46 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  ^^^ LOL

Yes, what's funny is that game of thrones has gone full retard, amazingly, in the whole "Girl Power" realm, as well. Maybe there is a race ... to the bottom, as it were. Unreal.

Don't spoil it, but I watch Game of Thrones religiously. It's the same as it's always been. Not sure how you think it's gone full retard. Can you elaborate?