Coverdoc ...

As an African American, countries like Jamaica, Trinidad, Antigua, St.Kitts and the Bahamas are a better fit for you.

Only a 2-3 hour flight away from Atlanta or Miami, English speaking, somewhat similar "Anglo" culture and fucking beautiful. $200,000 in savings and a decent loan could easily start off a self sustaining business on the Islands lifting you up to the country's elite. Raising your kids in the Islands won't be that much different than raising them in the west. They'll see poverty, develop some street smarts and will not be completely shut off from reality like American rich kids would be. They could spend their summers in Cali, Georgia, Florida or whatever state you live in to get a taste of what America is like. Half way through HS send them to the states for school.

Africa ... I don't recommend it unless you have roots, family or solid contacts there.

Ethiopians are like the Argentinians of Africa. Haughty, racist douchebags with a superiority complex. You can't compete in Nigeria. Those guys are the Jews of Africa. Slick, aggressive and cut-throat.

Ghanaians ... good people like you said. Don't know a lot about the country but i really like them. Less corrupt and stable i think.

Quote:How does one go from Anabasis who makes 100k+ a year to investing in something in the motherland?

Working on it man. Used to make around that figure couple months ago but am recently laid off. Unemployed with an expiring visa but will let you know once i get back on my feet and break through this dark tunnel.

(12-16-2015 10:59 PM)coverdoc Wrote:  This was an awe inspiring post. I was recently chatting with a forum member and he was helping dispel some of the misconceptions I had about Africa from the perspective of Afro-Americans. I always hear about opportunities in Africa, especially if you have decent money, but how does one go about finding these opportunities. How does one go from Anabasis who makes 100k+ a year to investing in something in the motherland? I've definitely had a negative perspective about Africa, but mainly due to the interactions i've had in college with them. Well except Ghanaians. I don't know why, but every single African from Ghana i've met has been down right cool.

-CD

coverdoc, start with taking a trip to Africa. Your profile suggests Germany. If you are in Europe, Africa is literally down the road. There are already tons of Africans there, I met two German lizards in Miami that were African ready and one of them had actually visited Accra with her boyfriend. Neverthless, it was easy for me to start pawing one of them in continuation of what the Africans had started.

I always recommend newbies to try out Ghana as it is more friendlier and a softer introduction than other prominent places like Naija. Some other people want the real deal and jump straight into Nigeria like the two W.I lizards I met last Sat.

Taking a trip is the beginner and will very likely unlock hidden caveats you won't unearth over the internet from a business standpoint. Either way, you can't go wrong and you will still gain a lot from a historical, cultural and spiritual standpoint which deliver intangibles to your being.

Well all I can say Excelsior, is that you drop science my friend.

(12-15-2015 11:57 PM)Moma Wrote:  I do recall however, that the mixed children with black mums seemed to be less at turmoil with themselves. I used to move with a cat who was mixed (white British dad, black Jamaican mum) and his confidence in self was very good. Obviously, most of the guys would learn the most from their mums since the dads whether white or Jamaican, would often not be present (the guy whose father was white, did not grow up with his dad around).

Food for thought, I guess.

I've observed this phenomena as well and I even has been observed outside as well and probably is due one main factor: culture flows through the mother. A child learns its language, norms and behaviours through interaction with the mother who is the closest being to it, due to the nature of biology. Much harder for a white mother raised in a white dominant society to teach a mixed child what it is like to be black. One way to counter that is to do what Excelsior is planning on doing and raise the kid in a black dominant society.

(12-16-2015 01:49 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  Excellent discussion. Excelsior, I don't know how old you are but you're going places! We have very similar long-term plans it's scary.

I highly disproportionate percentage of us black guys on this forum are of African and Caribbean background. If any of you have even the slightest connection to your culture, I recommend you raise your children over there.

By raising our kids in Jamaica, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Ghana etc ... we automatically offer them the best of both worlds.

An immediate spot in the upper/elite/ruling class of our respective countries. A strong identity, culture and sense of self your average American could only dream of. An elite private school education and regal attitude only possible at very elite East Coast schools in the US. At the same time we give them a valuable US/Canadian passport, a Western education, the limitless opportunities America offers and a diverse buffet of international punani.

In the west, no matter how successful we are we will always be slaves to a certain master. A corporation, the government, state laws, bureaucracy etc ... the system is already established. It is almost impossible to build your own Empire. You could be a Cardiac Surgeon, Lawyer, top researcher or venture capitalist.

Doesn't matter because in the end, you might have the money and social status but you'll still be living in some lifeless suburb or gated community, kissing your white boss' or neighbors' ass. You might drive a Maserati ( Benz man myself) but you'll never have that one thing that's relayively easily available to us in our third world roots. That one thing every man craves deep down.

Freedom! Total freedom. 'Fuck you nigga' kinda money. A six figure salary in the West along with a wife who earns a similar income will make you a rockstar in Ethiopia or Jamaica. You will rub shoulders with the elites of the country.

I'm talking about dining with the Prime Minister, getting invited to an Art Gala by the richest man in the country or getting crunk with loaded foreign investors with big plans who in their own countries you wouldn't even get a whiff of. African economies are not established yet. There are so many gaps that need to be filled. Intelligent guys with some money could easily make hundreds of millions in a decade or two.

The competition is non-existent. 3 maids, a bodyguard, a chauffeur, a gardener, poolboy and shoeshine ... that's the kinda shit that's waiting for us and our children. All the above is from personal experience and how i grew up despite my parents just being regular Dentists.

Possibilities? Moma Industries, Archie Pharmaceuticals, Djemba Shipping, Rudebwoy Airlines, Coverdoc Mechanical, Vinman Ballistics or Excelsior Communications. The possibility to build an Empire along with your kids in a generation or two.

Or you could just stay in the West, chill out and keep your 100k a year, fuck some worthless western sluts and brag about it, pop out a daughter who'll eventually turn out to be a cum guzzling slut and retire while shouting to your neighbor" Hi Bob, how's your day going?. Yes I'm doing good". 10 years after you pass away no one will remember you.

Your choice.

Edit: Surprised you guys are even considering mixed kids. Slay all that White, Asian, Latina, Middle eastern pussy you want. But breed with your own. I will never breed with a non-Ethiopian girl. I have no interest in raising a kid that does not look like me.

So many habesha men play the field and then when it comes times to marry, they settle down quick with a habesha girl, lol! One of my exes was Eritrean and I got insights into the insular nature of her community through her. Good for you guys. That's a proud community with a very strong internal sense of identity. The Eritrean and Ethiopian men I met really and truly believe their women are the best in the world.

(12-16-2015 03:02 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I'm wondering how to move "back" without getting fleeced.

WIA

Not to rain on the parade, but this is the most important question that needs to addressed.
To open up a business in the Caribbean/Africa, who's palms do I have to grease?
For how long will I have to grease their palms?

What if the competition does not take kindly to my business, then one day some thugs are sent to my business to destroy it. Big fish eat Little fish.

How safe will my family be in these countries? Using Jamaica as a example, break-ins are common. I know someone who was robbed twice, his wife and kids were held at gun point. He moved his family back to Canada very quickly afterwards.
I know many english retirees who built their dream home in "yard" and ran into problems, some leaving their homes empty and returning back to England.

How will I be viewed in Jamaica and in Africa? I have had Jamaicans look at me sideways when I mentioned I am half Jamaican.
It was mentioned earlier that Africans look down on Caribbeans and Afro-Americans.
There is a old joke that went around in England back in the day. An African man goes for an interview and the employer tells him the salary, he replies in disgust "I cannot work for that, do you think I am West Indian".
So when I return to the "homeland", will I be embraced or looked at like a fat white chick that needs to be fleeced?

These problems aren't exclusive to Africa and the Caribbean. I have many real life stories from Latin America and Asia. Even in Eastern Europe, business is conducted a certain way.

Some of you have connections, so things will move easier for you. I honestly don't know enough about Africa to make a true assessment, I have met a few Nigerians who tried to set up business in Nigeria and it did not pan out. I hear places like Kenya and Tanzania are nice countries, maybe better for business.

The recent Tariq Nasheed podcast, he talked about his trip to South Africa. He was shocked that he couldn't find a traditional African restaurant in Cape Town. He said the country is beautiful but Apartheid is still in full force.

I don't want to be a killjoy, because I myself looked at opening up a Jamaican restaurant in a foreign country. I maybe partial but nothing touches Jamaican food and I feel Jamaica is a brand that can be sold globally. (e.g Japan)

I am also in my late 40s, so I have plenty of stories to tell.

My parents frequent Jamaica on a regular.

All this heritage talk has me curious.

How does one go about finding where their ancestors came from?

I've seen ancestry.com sites and others alike but how legit and specific are they?

(12-17-2015 12:33 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  All this heritage talk has me curious.

How does one go about finding where their ancestors came from?

I've seen ancestry.com sites and others alike but how legit and specific are they?

My pops did some DNA mouth swab thing, payed like $50, got results back in two weeks. Most of the results for Afro americans will be 10-20% european, with the rest being from western Africa and 1-3% from asia, india or (insert random country)

-CD

^^^Did the results tell him from which country he was most likely from?

(12-17-2015 02:20 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  ^^^Did the results tell him from which country he was most likely from?

Yah I think it was Ghana.

-Cd

@Mentavious, 23andme.com.

The discussion on doing business as a non African in Africa in a good one.
I had a debate with my dad on this, he told me succinctly after I floated the idea of running an import/export business in his home-state there;

"Don't mess with local business ideas unless you've got boots on the ground, connects, and don't even trust the family, they're as conniving as the rest of them".

Africans who grew up in Africa, will beat out both whites and blacks from the west, they just have a cutting edge business acumen that many westerners don't seem to posses any longer. I'll leave this NYT article about Europeans/Portuguese struggling financially in Angola when they play on equal terms...

Quote:

Portuguese Migrants
Struggle to Find
Relief in Angola

The Portuguese began migrating to Angola by the tens of thousands, this time around, when Portugal’s economy bottomed out in 2010, while Angola’s, fueled by oil exports, gushed tons of cash. Just two years later, the Angolan government announced it was building a detention center to hold the flood of migrants entering the country illegally. Joan Bardeletti, a French freelance photographer who focuses on documenting the changing dynamics of urban life across Africa, knew the time had come to visit the southwest coast and check out Angola’s new settlers.

“That news struck me, as the media were always talking about African emigration to Europe,” said Mr. Bardeletti, who is currently based in Barcelona.

Even more striking was the fact that the Portuguese seeking refuge in Angola came begging, so to speak, an unexpected twist given the history shared by the two countries. The Portuguese conquered Angola and ran it as a colony for 400 years. They gave the country its official language, its dominant faith (Christianity), its wine culture and many place names, including the capital, Luanda, founded as São Paulo de Loanda in 1575. The Portuguese rulers also inflicted brutal abuse on Angolan natives, conducting a global slave trade until the mid-1800s; forced labor, including child labor, until the mid-1900s; and a fight for independence until 1975.

Then, “Portuguese Angolans,” the ruling class, made a quick exit, leaving a rudderless country that plunged into a 27-year civil war that claimed more than 500,000 lives and devastated the country’s infrastructure.

That war ended only 13 years ago. But oil money has changed everything: not for the masses, but for an increasingly rich elite. As Mr. Bardeletti traveled through Luanda and other cities, on a new railroad rebuilt by Chinese temporary workers — who are also flocking to Angola, along with Brazilians and other South Americans — he witnessed a flurry of new construction. New roads, new buildings, new shopping centers, even whole new neighborhoods and towns.

This boom has slowed a bit during the plunge in oil prices, but it keeps the Portuguese coming. In 2013, more than 30,000 Portuguese migrated to Angola, compared with 156 in 2006, Mr. Bardeletti said. Angola’s Portuguese population now stands at more than 100,000, or 1 percent of Angola’s population, although that includes “retornados,” many of them mestizo, or of mixed Portuguese and African heritage, who fled after independence and began returning after the civil war.

Some Portuguese set out to plant roots, others to stay until they earn enough or Portugal’s struggling economy revives enough for them to return. Still others go back and forth. The commute is more than 5,700 kilometers, or 3,540 miles, a seven-and-a-half-hour flight.

Mr. Bardeletti ran into many skilled Portuguese workers, hired by national or international companies, especially in the oil sector. He also found Portuguese who migrated after years of unemployment in Portugal to take low-skilled jobs that pay a lot more in Angola. “So you can go in a bar,” Mr. Bardeletti said, “where all clients are black Angolan and the waiter is white Portuguese — a situation that you never see in other African countries.”

Still, all is not manna from heaven in Angola: Luanda is one of the world’s most expensive cities, routinely ranked in the top three, and integration, Mr. Bardeletti says, is difficult. “Most Portuguese remain within their community and rarely mix,” he said, “due to big cultural differences.”

Except for Angolan citizens who fled to Portugal during the civil war who are now returning, he did not encounter Portuguese newcomers living among or frequenting the same places as average Angolan citizens.

Mr. Bardeletti’s biggest project in Africa to date has been an intense documentation of the continent’s emerging middle class, 200 million strong, in five far-flung countries: Cameroon, Morocco, Mozambique, Kenya and the Ivory Coast. The project, mixing still images with videos, interviews and sound recording, won a World Press Photo award in 2010. The time spent in Africa during that project informs his understanding of Angola’s current situation.

The most surprising aspect of his reportage, he said, was seeing local Angolans confident and financially secure and Europeans struggling to find their way. It was the first time in Africa that he had seen Africans have the upper hand over Europeans.

“You could feel it in the relationship between people,” he said. “Black local people were commanding, while white Europeans were trying to move forward with difficulty. That was one of the reasons why I wanted to tell this story. In 99 percent of the case in Africa, it is the other way around.”

Source: http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/17...in-angola/

Djemba, your dad is on point, as always. I do know a guy who is doing business in 9ja and lives in North America but he flies back continuously to Naija maybe 6 or more times a year to keep on top of things. One cannot just let things be and rely on someone to run the reigns as incidents will come up when people have to 'borrow into profits' to sort out unforseen things. I don't think that there is any winning formula that guarantees success but that goes the same for even a business erected here in the West.

Rude speaks about people he knows in Yaard who built the dream home and had to go due to being robbed at gunpoint. Sadly that is something one has to factor into most developing countries and most likely white Russian expats can tell a similar tale.

I do know someone who has built his house in Yaard and it's been fine and his family has experienced no horseplay. Perhaps he did better homework, the guy he recruited to secure his property in his absence is a real gun man and has put quite a few man in the dirt.

It's hard to sit here on the net and state the winning plan, we don't know the circumstances behind the successes and failures. Some people don't know how to behave and go back to the homeland and start bragging and then they get flipped but they only tell us the end result, they don't tell us the stuff leading up to the end. In other cases, it's just bad luck and the lay of the land.

I will say, move in faith and realise, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Me, myself, I have my eyes open and a few plans in mind. I'm as concerned as you lot are but the fear of stagnation and regret while living in the West is one that galvanises me much more than negative what ifs.

Djemba-Djemba great article you posted and I would have given you another rep point on that alone.

I met a Angolan, living in Iceland and married to a local. This was back in 2011 when I visited Iceland, he seemed shocked that I knew all about Angola and how booming it was. He had returned back to Iceland after living a few years in Angola, the wife couldn't handle it and missed the social security of Iceland.

I also met a white Brazilian, who studied in my night school class at the local university in Toronto. He mentioned how he took great delight in seeing Portugal's economy suffer, he felt it was payback for many years of Brazil reaching out for financial support.

(12-16-2015 09:47 PM)Moma Wrote:  Excelsior, what about dating a fellow Jamerican such as yourself? Is that close or not close enough?

Usually not. They tend to be similar to African-American girls and their attraction to me (or, more specifically, lack thereof) is reminiscent of that. Like the rest of the Black American women, I find that I am generally not the kind of man they want.

(12-16-2015 10:37 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  About the interracial dating, I understand Excelsior's stance. Culture is more important than race. You being Jamaican, you have the luxury of variety. Being Jamaican is more of a mentality and upbringing than a race.

Being Ethiopian however is like being an Armenian. An ancient people with a distinct look, culture and identity. You are either Ethiopian or not. You either are born looking like this ...







or not one of us at all.

You mentioned you're dark skinned. You lucked out because since your genes tend to be dominant you could have a kid with any race of woman and still have kids who look like you.

Us Ethiopians are genetically 60-70% Middle-eastern as it is. Mixing with any other race would render a kid that would not look like me. Too close to being a cuck for my taste.

Everything else in your post is spot on however.

Fair enough and to each their own, but aren't Ethiopians a little more physically diverse than that? The looks above do seem classically Ethiopian, but it would seem that a not insignificant number of Ethiopians might also closely resemble a Gedion Zelalem or Saladin Said. I also distinctly remember some of the Ethiopians I met in undergrad being darker than this, though their facial features and hair texture were pretty similar. Is darker skin exceptional in Ethiopia?

(12-17-2015 12:04 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Not to rain on the parade, but this is the most important question that needs to addressed.
To open up a business in the Caribbean/Africa, who's palms do I have to grease?
For how long will I have to grease their palms?

Network and make the right friends. As they say on the island, "links run JA". You need to make sure you have the right links, be it through blood or long term relationships you've built with your boots on the ground over the course of many visits. The right links can help to minimize most of the problems (safety, stability of investment, likelihood of being swindled) that are typical of doing business in the country.

Class is also relevant here. The Jamaican elite are more likely to have educational or financial ties to the USA and are probably regularly in the states, so they will probably be less likely to look at you sideways than some of those from other segments of society in which it is common to have never left the island.

Interesting to read people's thoughts on moving back to Africa.

I went back to the horn for the first time since coming to Australia. Such an eye opening experience. I can safely say that a long term relocation back to Somalia is out of the question. A really dangerous place where I constantly felt paranoid. The amount of African Union troops and military presence is unsettling. Somalia always tops those lists that rank the world's most failed states.

But the most disappointing thing about my trip was seeing just how insular and racist everyone was. Everything is based on the tribe you're from. It is not enough that you have a country that is homogenous in language and religion by 98 per cent. There is also an arrogance that the locals, particularly the elders, have for Africans from the West. I was constantly being challenged on my knowledge of the language and felt as though I had to prove I was indeed Somali.

That being said, being a westerner did come with some advantages. A lot of people respect the fact that the diaspora return and were very friendly. This advantage does not apply to Somalis that come from other African countries. There is a certain status that is attributed from being from a western country. There are countless stories of men cashing in this advantage to marry the most attractive girls here. I know of a 41 year old man from Sydney who just married a 19 year old girl. In fact while I was there, I was approached by 3 men who wanted to introduce me to their daughters. From what I've heard these marriages rarely work out, with the girl filing for a divorce after some time in the Western country.



I also spent some time in Ethiopia. The tension and hatred between Somalis and Ethiopians was palpable. Despite the Ogaden region being officially recognised as Ethiopian territory, it is ruled and governed by a Somali regime. The few Ethiopians that live there do menial jobs and are looked at negatively. I then went to the city of Harar. A very relaxing place with a Mediterranean vibe. My final leg of the trip was in Adis, the capital. First observation was just how segregated the city was. The centre area is very high end. A lot of swanky restaurants, bars and hotels. A visit to the African Union headquarters was a highlight. However a 10 minute drive could take you to the underdeveloped areas that most people envision when thinking about Africa. Water and electricity supply is regulated and apportioned by the Ethiopian government as they cannot meet demand. This often meant long stretches of planned 'time outs' in various areas.

In regards to business, being a returning member of the diaspora helps tremendously. They are looked on very favourably and often receive help from the government. The owner of many hotels and restaurants are expats returning from the US. They say that the land is granted to them by the government and he only had to front the cash for development. This has become to be quite common practise as they are keen to encourage economic prosperity. However this being Africa, everything is once again cut across tribal lines.

There are some advantages of a move back though. The cost of living is very low and your dollars would stretch far. Opportunities to start new business are definitely there. This would still require local knowledge to navigate the system. Despite not being focused on game and not going out of my way to approach girls, the interest from locals was quite observable. I got the feeling that this was to fulfill their dream of being rescued to the west. But all this is not enough to persuade me to consider relocation as a serious option. Maybe if I had a stronger connection to my homeland I would be interested in returning.

I would love to hear experiences of other African countries.

African.horn - Excellent post and good to hear from a more recent account. I would like to hear from someone who has married from the homeland, brought her back to the West and is in about 10-15 years deep into it. I always wonder about strategies to counter when she becomes infected by her poisoned and embittered Western sisters.
Misery loves company.

(12-19-2015 08:32 AM)Moma Wrote:  African.horn - Excellent post and good to hear from a more recent account. I would like to hear from someone who has married from the homeland, brought her back to the West and is in about 10-15 years deep into it. I always wonder about strategies to counter when she becomes infected by her poisoned and embittered Western sisters.
Misery loves company.

I'll bite.

I've found that marriages in the west primarily fail because ... instead of meeting the girl's friends and family first & then starting a relationship with her afterwards through introduction, you meet the girl first (through work, school or hedonistic activities) and then meet her friends and family on her terms.

I'll explain.

When you develop a very close personal relationship with a member of her family or one or more of her close friends before meeting her and then start something with the girl ... you buy full proof insurance. What I'd like to call a Social Dowry.

Bitches are social animals. Being socially ostracized and disapproved of is tantamount to death for females which is why back in the day bitches kept their legs closed and obeyed their husbands in lifelong marriages. If divorcing or cheating on you means potentially risking the loss of 3/4th of her social circle, suspicions from the rest and condemnation from her family ... she'll stay in line. No matter fucking what!

The strongest and longest lasting marriages I've witnessed have followed this script.

Guy 1 meets Guy 2. They become best friends in college, trustworthy business partners or inseparable colleagues. They start meeting each others families. Guy 1's family loves Guy 2's family and vice versa. By mere chance on a night out Guy 1 meets Guy 2's female cousin. Romance kicks in, the love blossoms and Guy 1 becomes tight with Guy 2's cousins friends. They love him and vise versa.

Guy 1 and Guy 2's female cousin get married. Dissolving a marriage like this would entail a mortal risk for the bitch.

Her whole family and most of her friends already have an independent positive opinion of Guy 1 before the two met. They love and respect him. The bitch will have a very hard time painting herself as the victim, her husband as the bad guy in the marriage and pulling off a divorce like bitches habitually do during a breakup.

In contrast ... there is the more common option of meeting a girl independently first. She'll see value in you. A jacked, successful, traveled and financially stable RVF member with some decent game. You'll hit all of her hypergamous buttons. That punani starts precipitating. She'll naturally go full submission mode. She'll hit you with a sweet and innocent girl-next-door vibe, cook and clean for you. She's got a degree from a good college and a semi-prestigious job.

You tell you friends ... "That's wifey material ma nigga".

You guys get married but this time, it's like driving a Porsche 911 with no insurance. You think you're the shit and people admire you for that shiny new uninsured toy. It's all good for a while until you get pulled over by the ruthless cop of irrational female emotions and the Highway Patrol Officer of western influence.

Her friends, family and whole social circle only know you through her. You got no leverage. If she sniffs out the next shiny thing and decides to divorce you, she can play up the victim card perfectly and come out on top. Despite having done nothing wrong, you are the bad guy and she'll keep the house, car, dog, her whole social circle and most importantly ... her reputation. It's her word over yours.

You lose everything. Avoid that shit at all costs. Our ancestors had it right. You meet the mother of your children through common contacts that mean more to you and her than the shaky notion of "love".

Anabasis, this sounds like an excellent formula and pretty akin to the sentiments and conversations of those back in Naija when they start mentioning things about marriage. It's like an informal arranged marriage, cats be shytting on the concept of arranged love but all my Indian friends who have had arranged marriages, I've not heard of them divorcing and they been with their wives for 10 years plus, easy.

A resident brain dump on Jamaica


I'm surprised guys here thinking about jamaica as way to build your empire
it has potential but ill let you guys in on a few things.

Born and live here all my life so no BS

Jamaica believe it or not is very xenophobic meaning the people hate
the 'white man', "Chiney" (chinese), "coolie" (anyone with middle eastern features)
and half Jamaicans or Jamaican by heart, they even started robbing returning residents
who want to retire ffs.

In their eyes these guys are invading the country and buying up the local opportunities
leaving nothing for the "likkle man" ( hustlers) to thrive on which is not entirely true many opportunities exist here in jamaica (first world millions ones) but it requires ingenuity, greasing numerous mini cogs to keep the big one (your operation) going nice and smooth.

Operate any other way and either corruption or nepotism will take you out then again if that doesn't take you out then "haffi eat a food" (take any and all opportunities regardless of repercussions) from your employees will (more on this later) navigating these issues come pretty natural to a native.

Let me show you an example of the "haffi eat a food mentality"....Ill quote an article and another similar one.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20131...ness2.html

Quote:Plagued by thieves and water contamination, owners of the marine shrimp farm Trans-Global Aquaculture Limited have placed the company in liquidation after a dozen years of fighting to stay afloat.

Quote:The Jamaican operation is owned by an American company, Trans-Global Products Inc, which poured US$6 million into the company at start-up to sell shrimp to markets in the United States, Canada, Taiwan, Japan and Europe.

Quote:What should have been a strategic location in the establishment of the company's operations turned out to be to their detriment as thieves entered the unfenced property by sea and helped themselves to as much as 4,000 pounds of shrimp per night, Thompson said.

Quote:"I can't put a total to it because so much was stolen but I remember persons would tell me they had up to 2,000 pounds of shrimp in their freezers."

Quote:When the new tax regime came into effect, a duty was imposed on both the feed and the post-larvae baby shrimp we import for the production." He said.

Quote:"Prior to this, we actually brought the inputs in duty-free because it is not made any where in CARICOM (Caribbean Community)," he explained, noting that the company imported feed from Ecuador and the post-larvae shrimp from the United States.

"With the duty and general consumption tax, the added expense translated to about J$860,000 per container that we imported. Before the duty, that process was a zero cost," Evans said.

Quote:"The difficulty for us was the duty regime, in that while we were being charged duty on the inputs - the feed and the post larvae - for the production, the final product with which we compete were coming in duty free," he explained.

They came in naive thinking that everyone appreciating a company providing jobs and got eaten alive by both the people (remember "haffi eat a food") and the politicians/importers who wanted a quick meal.

If you want to start a successful business here the only way that works is coming in with mega capital, wetting the appetites of the government and the people to get what you want(basically monopolisation) ensure it stays as such any other way they will find a way to "eat a food" (skim off the top) and my somewhat liberal use of terms should let you know the culture is very diverse/complicated (african roots) for example "haffi eat a food" can be good in such that you are a hustler and have ambition or you believe your piece of the world is out there but you would never know this unless you've lived here and seen how it's applied to many different areas in daily life growing up.

here's a good case a few years back....

For example Digicel is our islands main mobile service provider which held/holds a monopoly over the entire industry then here came Claro, super fast and cheap competitor that was absorbing the market at a rapid pace. Digicel taking notice of this bought out Claro and greased a few palms to ensure that no other "start up telecom" company can acquire an license to compete on their frequency( maybe signal is the right word).

So if you want to start a telecom company then you are at major disadvantage right off the bat where your competing on a less reliable and slower frequency or line the politicians coffers with something more juicer to get them to pass the bill to get what you want.

So if whatever idea you might have the above is an idea of what you have to navigate if you want to come with an idea to start a business.

Let's talk a bit about opportunities....

Export is jamaica's million dollar opportunity right now because jamaica is at an ideal location for international trade (even the chinese want to build a hub here and is softly colonising Jamaica, japan is entering as well with Canada (RED FUCKING FLAG) keeping tabs here and the British already took what they want in the 17th century through slavery and have their own problems right now...

To be honest the chinese are actually doing good investments, building roads and funding housing projects but again you should see what's going on here between the lines (hub+roads+housing) only a matter of decades.

Back to biz opps.

Heavy manufacturing is around the corner as our only energy supplier JPS has upgraded to gas turbines or in the process of doing so where the main fuel source came from oil and they also now receive energy from persons selling back to the grid through solar and wind energy as well as a few hydro facilities.

With all of this the cost of energy should come down but remember what i said about monopolies....They might just eat the savings and fatten their margins.

With that being said a new car assembly plant is slated to be built here so the above developments are more likely correlated than the public is led to believe.

So keep manufacturing in mind.

Agriculture

This is where if you want power in jamaica GO AFTER THIS buys as much fertile land as you can put it to work and export to markets that are clammering for jamaican produce, you guys in states are crazy about organic produce and grass fed beef ....you can easily tap into markets over seas.

LAND IS POWER control the natural resources lock down the imports coming in and let the people buy your products

Mangoes for example have a roughly 490 million dollar us potential market in the us with most mangoes in our region coming from haiti (nasty mangoes) but because of our fruit fly problem the fruits have to be hot water treated or through radiation to sterilize the maggots to tap into the market and the equipment to do this is around 22-30 million us.

I really cant go over ever produce so think organic and think what product you use over there that people wish was more natural.

Ginger is good because our ginger is one of the best in the world and china loves it for cooking and medicine then there are many drink manufacturers overseas.

Sweet potatoes would go to the UK and they are begging us to plant it.

White Yam would do well on ethnic markets think brooklyn etc...

And many others like pineapple.

Just sheer fact that were in such a competitive location in relation to the market it's just getting the efficiency up and production costs low.


In terms of probelms entering the market....

Our current government growth strategy is to whore the country out to the IMF (RED FLAG) and tax every fucking thing down to simple consumables to meat the quota of whatever amount they have to meet.

You realized above that once the shrimp company stared importing items the government instantly moved to place taxes well that's what's going to happen to any raw material that you will or might need to import unless you have plans to manufacture the raw material needed.

Thieves.....
Farmers sleep in their fields with their pitchfork....

If you want to do any form of agriculture lots of capital will be spent on security motion sensors, infrared cameras, dogs and men and what makes it worse is that the thieves only get the equivalent of s slap on the wrist then sent home so they will return.

While no one has done this, because the farmers are poor it represents a great opportunity if you can get it right.

Energy costs..

Jamaica being corrupt and with JPS being foreign owned they pretty much charge whatever they want and so you can imagine your bill might increase 40% out of nowhere...

If your opportunity is going to use copious amounts of energy it's going to hurt, every manufacturer's biggest gripe here is energy costs some are even moving operations out of the country but if you invest a lot of capital in solar then I honestly believe it's possible to be very competitive here.

People...
I have already gave you the bad (somewhat) the good is they are hardworking and extremely ingenuitive at finding ways to get what they want. This could work for or against you in such a CEO finding good markets or Finding ways to skim off the top.



The women...

it's sad to admit but Jamaican women are quite awful , before I became game aware I romanticized them but don't count on finding a good woman Easily at all they are here especially in the country but I don't like women who are enamored with simple wonders, for examples there are some sweet mixed women in the country who work on farms but i wouldn't find myself LTR one unless she is for breeding stock cold but that's how it is. These women are dull and will just hazingly go along with whatever you do or wish but make excellent mothers as I have observed the parents and grand parents.

ill go over some things.

Westernized

Jamaican women are becoming more and more westernized by the day as they are heavily influenced by the us, if you are going to date one they are very concerned about a big house, fat dresser (furniture) and materialistic shit.

The worst part of the westernization that's coming over is the same Feminist behavior that coming over here now the men are keeping a good lid on it but Jamaica's red pill guys are getting old they wont be here to keep the women in place for next decades to come so the women are getting aware of 'female empowerment' and they are beginning to test the waters.

Shit like being stuck to their phone all day reading texts and whatsapp are very common now.

They will shit test you ever fucking minute for you to continue proving that you are worth their time and a true man but don't get involved with that SLAP the bitch in her face and put her in her place if she doesn't shut up, I seriously have no time for these bitches anymore and they are slowly making me jaded against women.


Entitlement

jamaican women if they have been around you for awhile they will feel that all you have belongs to them....lets say you have a fridge...she cleans the fridge often, well now she believes it's hers.

Same with other things like the bed, she spreads your bed well now she has a right to it...this trend continues on to other possessions.


Poor Shelf life

Jamaican women age badly if they are mixed especially with caucasians/indians as soon as they leave high school they blow up because they no longer have that identity/ social regime to keep them looking hot and once kids come the weight stays regardless of breastfeeding.

Jamaican men have strong oneitis and combine that with the cultures seeing fat women as "thick" and "fluffy" then you see the potential disaster.

Highly sexual culture

If you have a daughter she will probably get knocked up if you don't keep her
under lock and key regardless of whatever values you try to instill because jamaican women in general despite many flaws fuck like animals and very prone to freakish behaviors and lastly they don't keep their values very well.

To mention as well the Kats here are predators for young fresh pussy they fuck anything from the nasty whales that come off the boat to your 'sweet daughter" I don't believe that this is pedophilic behavior but african men in general have exceptional sex drives from what i have noticed with myself and reasoning with a few other guys it seem we all prefer long sessions ejaculating 2-3 times with our chicks and I'm not talking from an ego perspective but there is a reason why hoards of young white married women come here in droves to get some "island spice" and I have had my fair share of women of these ships who want a caribbean boyfriend for their stay or for the moment while their husband is out shopping, so if you ltr a bitch and she talks about Jamaica be very aware.

Lets close with building that empire.

Despite all I have said Jamaica is probably the best country right now to build said empire especially in agriculture related exports, Jamaica's real estate market is being bought out by the spanish but believe it or not ...

The government wants the native jamaicans to invest before they piece the country out, despite the corruption the government won't whore the country out for quick gains but the window is closing as the people are not taking action to invest or better yet the private sector is lacking someone with vision to organize the investments and the sharks are swimming.

Right now with the economy flat and exchange rate destabilized (on purpose) and the US is very strong here no so my emphasis on exports.... it's the best place to invest and setup cheap operations to send product out of the country.

So if I was to make a move to becoming a top power in this country I would start going after all the natural land I can get my hands on and swindle my way into water/natural resource rights as the country is very drought prone.

As with rubbing shoulders with the elites, fuck that jamaica is led mostly by dull lawyers and salary men who clawed their way up. Other elites are only in jamaica to save face with the people but have their interests and watering holes abroad.

Finding a good women that is good breeding stock is not impossible but if your legacy is to survive it she must birth a son who you have to lead very redpill as Jamaican culture can ingrain very vapid mentality into young men

Now why wont I take advantage of all of this...

While I am young and financially doing well in comparison to my peers through my online work. the sheer fact I Am writing this should be enough that i have no interest in taking up this mantle at this time or maybe even in the future.

The people are intelligent but jamaica in general is very dull, backwards and the culture is taking a turn to where I rather not be apart of it. Trust me there are millions of first world money opps to be found here and I might change my view in the future when I actually have enough capital to do some of the other big potential investments I have in mind but for now I'm more interested in what other countries and opportunities lie out there.

As a matter of fact once my passport clears up i'm scoping out Mexico/SEA to scope out if it's a good scene to base and build my online business even more.

While I don't post very often shoot a few questions If you have something specific.

^ +1.

The diversity of opinion and quality of discourse on this forum never ceases to amaze me.

Killongy great post and a rep point from me.

I stated some of your points before, but coming from a "native" carries more weight.

What are your thoughts on Michael Lee-Chin?

(12-19-2015 09:30 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Killongy great post and a rep point from me.

I stated some of your points before, but coming from a "native" carries more weight.

What are your thoughts on Michael Lee-Chin?

While I have not met the man personally.

He made most of his money in Canada in the finance sector through strategic investment in stock, Joint ventures/take overs and philanthropy .
While he keeps face in Jamaica through superficial investments like
one to renovate a museum in his hometown only because he was appealed publicly if privately he would have not.

In Jamaica from what I have picked up, he makes the hard money off mini local take overs , rev shares then injects massive capital into the companies if they are low risk.

From what I have heard he is very selective with his investments here in Jamaica
and wont move a dollar unless there is full transparency, for example he recently refused to budge an inch because he didn't know if his money would go to purchasing a luxury van to chauffeur the prime minister or towards the acquisition of the intended asset and he is well connected here so that should speak volumes.

In my opinion from the activity I am hearing he is currently pretty much in a position of observation with investments here in Jamaica as he has already made major bank taking over NCB (a bank) and of course he shares the same ideal that agriculture is the next jamaican super power if the person with the right vision steps forward to lead the investments.

That's just my brain dump though I can't speak about his character.

Nice to get a real voice from yaard pon the ting! It seems that Jamaica follows a similar route to any other developing nation with the locals trying to eat. Business wise, it seems to fall in alignment with what Excelsior was saying, that one has to really understand the culture and things that aren't written openly on paper. I imagine that he's aware of the greasing that will be involved, this is something experienced in the West except they are called 'taxes'. For the taxes that one doesn't have to pay in Jamaica and other places, I think they should mentally prepare themselves for in regards to piecing off locals and higher big wigs. A lot of important informalities there.

Killongy, do you think the mental approach to Jamaica differs in any degree to places like Trinidad, St Lucia, Antigua etc? Or is the hunger where 'mon haffi eat' in the belly of the wolf grows louder in Jamaica than any of the other Caribbean islands respectively?

To be quite frank, what you said about Jamaica doesn't shock me as much. Reminds me of a microscopic version of Naija. Again, familiarity with the culture and heartbeat seems to be essential here.

Blessings for your tune in on this one, bredrin!

(12-20-2015 12:27 AM)Moma Wrote:  Nice to get a real voice from yaard pon the ting! It seems that Jamaica follows a similar route to any other developing nation with the locals trying to eat. Business wise, it seems to fall in alignment with what Excelsior was saying, that one has to really understand the culture and things that aren't written openly on paper. I imagine that he's aware of the greasing that will be involved, this is something experienced in the West except they are called 'taxes'. For the taxes that one doesn't have to pay in Jamaica and other places, I think they should mentally prepare themselves for in regards to piecing off locals and higher big wigs. A lot of important informalities there.

Killongy, do you think the mental approach to Jamaica differs in any degree to places like Trinidad, St Lucia, Antigua etc? Or is the hunger where 'mon haffi eat' in the belly of the wolf grows louder in Jamaica than any of the other Caribbean islands respectively?

To be quite frank, what you said about Jamaica doesn't shock me as much. Reminds me of a microscopic version of Naija. Again, familiarity with the culture and heartbeat seems to be essential here.

Blessings for your tune in on this one, bredrin!

Those other countries are covered in much more red tape than you can imagine for example T&T is ran by mainly indians not indo-tobagonians who are basically being sold off to germans by the indians.

The indians in the country have a monopoly on the oil there and keep the wealth insulated well within the group and Because the economy pretty much depends on oil and related products which contribute to almost half the country's gdp and to almost all the exports there is really no room to go in with investments as the economy is poorly diversified because of the the oil they see no reason to invest in other areas so support to get up and running in certain investments would be very alien.

Even the dirt poor think they are hot shit because T&T has oil.

Guyana is well known to be most corrupt country in the english speaking caribbean with others not too far behind.

Bahamas has pretty much sold itself.

Turks and caicos is mostly a retirement hub for old people to rest their bones with tourism and related developments driving the economy and any island that you see has a strong tourism presence has most likely been either tied up or lots of the prime land bought up Jamaica isn't really an exception since most of our north coast is spoken or being spoken for but the government is holding on to the fertile lands and piecing out the rock and hard to work lands first but it's only a matter of time.

Brazil basically fucked itself when it got overly involved with china's cheap imports and didn't use the mini boom to tap into exports and then we have the fact that resource exporting market(brazil's main exports) tanked which Jamaica was also affected by with it quarries and bauxite mining.

In general from what I understand. There was a lot of money seeded into Brazil by china and other under the table grants for the world cup which in turn led to the "plastic" boom they had and not to mention the government in light of all the attention from the World Cup started making moves it couldn't follow up and the come down is real...but I believe current downturn is cyclical.


The way the government operates is also to blame.
Where investors were seeding money into the county but couldn't touch the infrastructure to improve services and raise efficiencies like the chinese are doing in Jamaica to prepare for the Hub so interest has waned from Brazil.


I can tell you though that I didn't say Jamaica was the best place to invest because of national Pride it's because while jamaica's economy is somewhat closed it has the biggest potential for an open economy in terms of exports as well as the least red tape of almost all the islands but is the most capital intensive as land and energy is ridiculously expensive with only 19% of the land that can be developed and mechanized with ploughs and such the other rest is while some what fertile it is mountainous and filled with rock. A slate of fertile flat land to potentially do what I said in my previous brain dump would cost me around 4 million US (2000 acres) and leasing is not an option because if you lease the land long term then work it they will rape you because you increased the value of the land so I might have to pay as much as 10 million us if I develop the land and then want to purchase it unless there is some sweet deal in it for someone in the background.

If it was just as simple as palm greasing it wouldn't be that bad but you have to KNOW the culture or else you get no traction.

Honestly Moma, "the man haffi eat" only recently started to prevail in Jamaica as currently the economy is down 18.4% and people are feeling it as jobs being cut and you have the government living very lavishly with taxpayers dollars to cover phone bills, drive luxury vehicles and expensive luncheons and the people are getting fed up.

Other countries are FAR more corrupt and filed with venomous influences than Jamaica and I can honestly Jamaica was definitely a more trustworthy place back in early 2000's and is still much more so than the rest of the islands but people out yah HUNGRY.

Damn if I could, I'd rate you again! Appreciate you dropping info on things I myself would have never come across. It seems like you need huge capital to get started in many of these second world up and coming countries/Areas.

-CD