Post: #51

@Oz

Maybe the fact that even elite members of this forum seem to lack consistent success with 9s speaks for itself what theories are more accurate. . .would seem clearly top notch game simply isn't enough for legit 9s.

Post: #52

Well I don't mean to downplay the membership of this fine community, but realistically if you're the type of guy living a life where you have enough experience with 9's banging and LTR to be very informative and helpful then you probably aren't spending your days posting on a forum about pickup.

Post: #53

(11-26-2015 12:25 PM)Repo Wrote:  @Oz

Maybe the fact that even elite members of this forum seem to lack consistent success with 9s speaks for itself what theories are more accurate. . .would seem clearly top notch game simply isn't enough for legit 9s.

Consistent success is a little hard when you might never see the kind of girl that Slubu is talking about in places like D.C. and Toronto and may rarely see them even in Miami and Buenos Aires. Even if you are killing it in all parts of life, the odds really aren't in your favor with that kind if scarcity. I don't think the problem is at all that the guys on here don't have it or aren't at the top level. I think what's going on is that Slubu is referring to about .0001% of the population, which can be enough of a challenge to find, let along bang. Did anyone besides me get chased out of or locked out if a gym today? It's the perfect day to get a ton of work in at the gym and they aren't letting it happen.

Post: #54

(11-25-2015 11:10 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  And I'm real curious about you guys who've run game in Russia/Ukraine, which seems to be the paradigm of white beauty.

WIA

I've spent a significant amount of time in Russia/Ukraine, at least relatively speaking (one week in 2010, 10 days in 2012, 3 months in 2013, 75 days in 2015). There are a lot more of these 9s in this region as you can imagine.

At least enough to form some semblance of a data point whereas I agree domestically this is not the case. What I've found is that the very high end out East requires one of two things: 1) power/baller status, or 2) substantial handle of the language.

The hottest girl I probably bed in my travels there, the blue dress girl from my 2013 trip, spoke zero English. She was just a cut below the 9 range. My approach of her was entirely in Russian. My first date, entirely in Russian. And all times after consisted of us speaking only in Russian, which I only had a light conversational understanding of. If I didn't have at least this basic Russian ability, it would have gone nowhere.

Another girl this year in Eastern Russia that Courage Reborn actually forced me to go talk to because daygame is not my thing, again a cut below the 9 range but subjectively my ideal. Again zero English, but I was able to get a # after 5 minutes of Russian chit chat. And I found this to be a very common theme when speaking with these higher echelon girls that you could find grouped together there at nights.

On the flip side, there were some beauties that spoke perfect English. But their 2nd or 3rd questions were always "where is your table?!" "are you going to Soho Rooms?" (the sponsor club in Moscow) and so on. Another one, I met off Tinder of all damn places in Moscow was being flown to Budapest for the weekend to be a hostess there for a restaurant. Think of that. She told me she was recruited based on her looks and meeting certain criteria (eye color, weight, face, hair length, height) and flown to go essentially be the first person customers see as they walk into this high end restaurant in another country...for only two days.

So from my perspective, the 9s there either don't bother with English because they don't have to, or the ones that do take advantage and utilize their looks to leverage it to the lifestyle/money guys. That is one key difference however, you can hack your way in by learning the language. Frankly speaking though you may be able to make a million dollars faster than mastering that language.

Post: #55

(11-26-2015 04:18 PM)slubu Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 11:10 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  And I'm real curious about you guys who've run game in Russia/Ukraine, which seems to be the paradigm of white beauty.

WIA

I've spent a significant amount of time in Russia/Ukraine, at least relatively speaking (one week in 2010, 10 days in 2012, 3 months in 2013, 75 days in 2015). There are a lot more of these 9s in this region as you can imagine.

At least enough to form some semblance of a data point whereas I agree domestically this is not the case. What I've found is that the very high end out East requires one of two things: 1) power/baller status, or 2) substantial handle of the language.

The hottest girl I probably bed in my travels there, the blue dress girl from my 2013 trip, spoke zero English. She was just a cut below the 9 range. My approach of her was entirely in Russian. My first date, entirely in Russian. And all times after consisted of us speaking only in Russian, which I only had a light conversational understanding of. If I didn't have at least this basic Russian ability, it would have gone nowhere.

Another girl this year in Eastern Russia that Courage Reborn actually forced me to go talk to because daygame is not my thing, again a cut below the 9 range but subjectively my ideal. Again zero English, but I was able to get a # after 5 minutes of Russian chit chat. And I found this to be a very common theme when speaking with these higher echelon girls that you could find grouped together there at nights.

On the flip side, there were some beauties that spoke perfect English. But their 2nd or 3rd questions were always "where is your table?!" "are you going to Soho Rooms?" (the sponsor club in Moscow) and so on. Another one, I met off Tinder of all damn places in Moscow was being flown to Budapest for the weekend to be a hostess there for a restaurant. Think of that. She told me she was recruited based on her looks and meeting certain criteria (eye color, weight, face, hair length, height) and flown to go essentially be the first person customers see as they walk into this high end restaurant in another country...for only two days.

So from my perspective, the 9s there either don't bother with English because they don't have to, or the ones that do take advantage and utilize their looks to leverage it to the lifestyle/money guys. That is one key difference however, you can hack your way in by learning the language. Frankly speaking though you may be able to make a million dollars faster than mastering that language.

I have not spent as much time in Russia/Ukraine as Slubu but I did spend this past summer in Russia. There are more 9s than any other place I have seen, specially if you hit some of the high end clubs. I met one 9 that I approached during the day and had 3 dates with her. However, I wasn't able to escalate, despite my attempts. I was hoping that the theory on Russian girls ,"as long as she continues to see you, she is interested" would pay dividends but it didn't. In retrospect, she dropped some subtle hints that if I went the sponsor/baller route I would have achieved my desired result.

In terms of game theory, one of the biggest challenges to a player is holding frame when pursuing this level of quality. The initial approach is much easier than the middle stages of game particularly with this type of talent.

Post: #56

I only know one 9 who is a former singer/actress and whose career is now washed up. Although she's always been chill with me because I've known her before her career started, she is also the most ridiculous gold digger I have ever met: with a straight face she's told me on multiple occasions that she deserves a $50,000 monthly allowance for skin-care and clothing. $600k a year on facials and duds... wtf... the crazy thing is, I'm betting she's basing this number on past experience as I know of several of her exes and they're big in finance or Chinese manufacturing.

Just trying to add to the thought process and not wanting to be defeatist: I look back and see all of the insane effort/resources I put in to get with a couple of the 8's I ended up bagging and the thought of multiplying that by 10x to upgrade to a 9 is mind-boggling. These girls passed the "strangers tell me how hot she is" test but I can't objectively claim that they'd be 9's. Then I go and look at my friend and think about all the bullshit hoops guys would have to jump through just to get with her and I'm wondering if I should really be grasping for something like that.

Self-improvement and self-confidence are both fine things, but isn't there some sort of internal mental point where you just say, "Hmm, I don't know if I have what it takes"? As in short Asian guys aren't going to get into the NBA and D up on Lebron. Even Jeremy Lin is 6'3" and Pacquiao is a coach/part owner of the Kia team he plays on.

Obviously, my situation is highly anecdotal. However, as slubu alluded, with 9's being such a small percentage of the population, how likely would it be to get a statistically significant sample size unless you're already rich/famous and banging these girls instead of thinking of how to treat them in the first place?

Post: #57

I had high hopes for this conversation, but it went to predictable places.

Why not scale it back from the "unicorns" like the undiscovered Super Model, and think about the question in a practical way.

The Hottest Bitch at the clubs/bars/coffee places that I typically go to.

What does it take to get her and handle her?

I want to meet that guy, that guy that consistently pulls hottest chick at a rave or at a college football game.

What the hell is he doing?

Does that guy even exist?

WIA

Post: #58

(11-27-2015 02:06 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I had high hopes for this conversation, but it went to predictable places.

Why not scale it back from the "unicorns" like the undiscovered Super Model, and think about the question in a practical way.

The Hottest Bitch at the clubs/bars/coffee places that I typically go to.

What does it take to get her and handle her?

I want to meet that guy, that guy that consistently pulls hottest chick at a rave or at a college football game.

What the hell is he doing?

Does that guy even exist?

WIA

Why not keep it at unicorn level? That was slubu's purpose, in my opinion.

Game is standard, the fundamentals are fundamentals and there's pleeeenty of material for girls 7-8 all over the forum.

The guys I know who pull the hottest girls have money, status, good looks and a semblance of game to compensate for whatever else there is.

It's quite straightforward from what I see.

The guys I know who consistently pull the hottest girls, 8+ are:

- Guy I live with, one of the biggest DJs here in CT. Status through the roof, 3 different girls 8+ will be in my apartment throughout the day.

- The top level DJs (DJ above brings them for events here) who have their entourage of girls, usually the handpicked dancers from Ibiza's previous summer season.

- Model guy who has the entitlement down to a tee, due to his narcissitic idea of his looks (justifiable, he is very handsome).

- Photographer who obviously leverages his 'power' in getting girls found, has connections.

There is no snake oil or magic potion. It's inner game, status and projecting yourself in the right manner, when attracting.

You just gotta look like you fit in (run in these elite circles) and project the image that the girls want you to be to:

- introduce you to their circle

- trust you to be able to handle their hotness and not be reactionary

- you can fund their lifestyle, financially and emotionally.

The only outliers (statistically impossible for us to reach this level unless we are alreadyon the path) of the guys dating the 9s I have met are famous rock stars (Adam Levine recently married Behati Prinsloo), multimillionaire businessmen/heirs (the guys on the superyachts who sleep with their wife in one bed and mistress in the other like Alisher Usmanov) and models/photographers/big shots in the modelling and production industries (this is easier, domestic and the ones who make it big, globally).

These girls are usually down to earth and cool to be around, the only difference being that their attraction switches are different to 99% of the women due to the fact they are entitled. You bang an ultra-rich man, you ain't going back.

The theme is consistent hence we are all gymming, hustling and trying to level up.

The guy that consistently pulls the hottest chicks at raves and college football games has the crack they want.

The aforementioned along with:

- drugs
- entourage
- big fish in a small pond status
- known on local social media
- handsome

Post: #59

Location, location, location.

Post: #60

Thank you specialist, for that very informative post.

Post: #61

Interesting read so far. I'll tell my story as a guy with average level of game I think.

I've only ever "interacted" with one 9 my entire life and honestly think it was because of sheer luck and a little bit of game. Here's my story.
I was traveling to Monterrey and had gotten lost near my hotel. It was late, about 9 P.M. when I spot a cute chick, about a 7, with long jet black hair and slim tight body going down the opposite street. I walk over and stop her to ask for directions. The second I got within 2 feet of her I realized how attractive she actually was. Being honest, if I would have seen her gorgeous she was from the beginning I definitely would NOT have approached. Already being that close I asked her for directions, and she asked me for the hotel I was staying at. Now here is where luck came in.

1. I didn't really see her face up close until I got too close to turn back.
2. She just literally moved to Monterrey the day before and knew no one at all.
3. I just so happen to be staying at the best hotel in the city, because tripadvisor had a weekend special otherwise normal price was like 300% more and she knew it was the best hotel in the city because she was looking at hotels prior to her visit.
4.She just happen to be in a good mood because she found a job (of course) earlier that day.

I told her thanks for the directions and was about to pussy out and walk off. She stood there for a few seconds and I said "Hey i was going to grab a bite would you like to join me?" She said sure. Now for all you players on here this may be just another day for you, but for me at that time, this was the single most attractive chick i'd ever approached in my life. When we walked into the burger joint Las Alitas, the whole damn place froze and looked at us (mainly her). She acted like it was normal. We got a good seat and ordered. I think what set me up good was that I made the comment that she was "cool, but I couldn't see myself dating a girl like her." It was a hail mary comment as I knew complimenting her or showing over interest was suicide and i couldn't think of shit else. I went to the bathroom to get my bearings came out and decided to invite her to a bar across the street and she surprisingly agreed. I let her pay for her meal which she did seem shocked about, but I acted cool like I always do this.

At the Bar, she got fucking hit on every time I turned my back. Once I went to the bathroom and came back two guys were chatting her up. I'm going to be honest, I instantly thought, oh shit i'm losing her, time to get the fuck outta here haha and we bounced. Is that beta? Again I was lucky to have took us to another bar where some older drunk chicks (5s) came over and was flirting with me in the middle of me and the 9's conversation. She was visibly annoyed by this and gave the ladies a look until they left. For the rest of the night she mentioned how those ladies were rude bitches or mamonas. I went for the kiss later that night and she responded to the first, but not the second. Got her digits and went home empty handed.

We hung out a few more times and like others stated above these girls do live in a different reality. We once went for Sushi and she got the meal free because her card got declined and she said it must be a problem with their system and not her card. I offered to pay for our meal and she said in the most confident tone ever "No, we are going to get this meal for free" and we did. Never saw something like this.
Also had to submit some papers to my school before midnight when we were at the movies. She found some random store inside the shopping mall to let me use their computer to do my work. All these things just happening for her based on her looks. She was deep into the party and drug scene back home, but got into a car accident where her friend was drunk driving and he died. That made her decide to put that lifestyle on a hiatus and move to another city for a fresh start. I happen to meet her during this transitional period.

Scorpion and Noir made the best points IMO.

Treating them different: She admitted to me she liked I was "rude" by not paying for her meal and not complimenting her. When we went out and talked, she'd say something completely wrong and i'd say "That makes no fucking sense" or "You made that up" she'd laugh and say "you got me most guys wouldn't have said anything."

Status (Most important): I had made a good group of guy friends(one Lawyer, one business man) in Monterrey that were in the upper class and the places they took me, she came along, were chalked full of attractive women. I swear one bar spot I was at, I saw an older Hombre with that Yanet Garcia chick. Dude had money dripping off him and her ass is just as nice in real life. I gave off the vibe this was lifestyle was normal to me and she was very observant of my behavior during this time. Like Noir said owning a yacht and acting nonchalant about it vs owning a yacht and telling everyone like it's hot shit will lead to different results. The final strike came when we went back to my hotel I stayed at and I walked in with her to the front desk and said "Hey the sunlight bothers me in the morning can you move me up to a higher floor with a corner suite so I can see the mountains" And the front desk said sure and sent up a bell boy to move my things to this penthouse suite. I read on tripadvisor that this could be done free of charge if you had a problem with your room and I was flirting with the receptionist(younger college aged chick) since the first day. To the 9 she thought I was on some boss status and no surprise that night I got the bang. She did ask me things right before like did I see the real her and kept wanting me to look intensly into her eyes while we banged. Anybody know what's up with that?

Long story short, I spent a lot of my time with her(except for occasional same day lays from tinder chicks). It took two weeks to get the bang (I said my game is average) and like the world spins so does her hamster. I left and she eventually got back into the party and drug scene, fucked her boss at work and he fired her after he found out she had a gang of beta orbiters taking her out to eat/buying her stuff on top of him doing it as well. She traveled the world after that on other dudes dimes and eventually found a job at some resort town.

P.S funny story: The same night I got the bang, this dude we both met, who had just move to the city as well called me while she was in my bed watching T.V. He was drunk and confessed to me he was in love with her and wanted to be with her, has taken her out to eat and got her a watch. Then asked me was she with me and I said no. I went back inside and told her, she gave the coldest laugh like she could care less and told me how he she doesn't like him, but won't turn down free meals if a guy wants to pay.

-CD

Post: #62

Let's clarify few things.

1. Not all of attractive women are these unicorns semi celebrities who get freebies all the time from rich men all around the world etc etc. Too many of you instantly associate hotness with posh and glamorous lifestyle. Meanwhile, there are lots of beautiful girls in their twenties with very normal lifestyle. So let's not get all paranoid that only so called status will get you access to attractive women. Please.. you try to tell me that girls like that are really sooooo sooooo rare?

















Come on..

2. I don't care about your rates. From physical/looks standpoint there are only 3 types. Regular, cute and hot. So cut that "she's 8.5" nerd shit. This post is about hot women and all those points apply to them all. The only difference between them [and factor in game] is their attitude that is determined by their social status/reality. There is a difference between miss popular hottie from big city and normal girl hottie from small city.

3. Good/solid game is not geared toward regular girls. It looks and feels much more masculine hence it attracts very feminine women [polarization]. Look, when you're in top form, you got cool buddies, you're social, you're flirty, you can speak to anybody anywhere, you dress cool, you express yourself way more freely than others, you're playful and engage all girls and you come across as very comfortable in your own skin solid dude.. then who do you think will be more comfortable in your presence? That cute Jenny wearing blue jeans and converse's who hang out with the same peer group since forever or that Jessica wearing a dress and high heels who gets hit on everyday by creeps here and there who finally wants to meet cool guy who gets her? Girls like Jenny can't relate to you, not because you're too good for them, but rather that you're from different world [not necessarily better, just different, there is a clash]. Meet Jenny:



Ok here it is. It's from my personal experience and what I've seen from others. I'm talking about regular guy dealing with beautiful women ie communicating/interacting.


- Strong frame under pressure -
Passive shittests are tough. Interestingly, this is very common for attractive girls especially those who are cool, down to earth, not easily impressed, classy. They don't really throw nasty shittests or give in to your attraction bullshit. They don't let you "pick them up". They tend to hold back at first evaluating you and observing if you say/do something stupid under pressure. This is where strong character comes into play.

So many men depend on what girl contributes that once they happen to meet a girl who doesn't give back too much their whole game crumbles into pieces. It's reasonable, responding to some verbal bullshit is easy whatever you get you can reframe it, misinterpret it, be playful about it, etc. Besides, anyone can learn good comebacks so it's not genuine sign of confidence. What is real is behavioral cues displayed in real time especially under high social pressure.

So when a girl is just looking at you with blank face barely saying anything back or sits down farther away from you it's tough to stay cool calm and collected then. Keeping your shit together without flinching in such situation displays those honest signals. And I'm not talking about doing a freeze out or takeaway in reaction to her hot girl blase trick to teach her a lesson etc. I mean being centered carefree and cool about it that it literally doesn't change your state at all. In short, never let her throw you off, unshakable frame.

There is also issue of time that nobody mentions. Because of that initial distance and passiveness it takes more time to get through their firewall and charm them. However with cold approach it's tough to break through because you don't have that time especially when you're in a rush to escalate isolate and pull. This is the reason why I prefer social route. I can buy myself time, which translates into familiarity, comfort, seduction. So instead of target hunting and trying to isolate/pull asap I talk to the whole group like a friend and flirt with the girl I'm interested in without any rush. To me this way has more benefits, it's the highest chance move and feels very similar to social circle situation.

- Mixed signals -
Being interested and challenging at the same time. Less attractive girls can't stomach it. They can't deal with it when you mess with them as they tend to take it more personally [people "know their place" in general]. Meanwhile, hot girls got everybody kissing their ass so any kind of challenge is refreshing to them. It makes you stand out. Btw, challenging doesn't have to mean being a dick as most of you instantly think. It just means having your own values/opinions, not being easily impressed, being playful just not in a clownish way [although miss popular hottie from big city requires more edge and challenge from you to appear on her radar than a normal hottie from smaller city].

At the same time you gotta show some interest otherwise she won't take you serious. Interest is best subcommunicated, not stated overtly [What's subtle to men is obvious to women]. For example, chatting her up itself equals interest [no need to overdo it by adding silly compliments, she won't buy it]. Engaging her even a little more than other girls in the group itself equals interest [no need to ignore everybody else and talk only to her]. Asking about her hobbies itself equals interest [no need to be yes man]. Inviting her out itself equals interest [no need to say it's a date].

Same thing in relationship. It's morally wrong but this is our human nature. Facts remain and real life experience doesn't lie. Fear of loss is better motivator than guaranteed security. Should be the other way around but oh well it is what it is.

- Strong leading without indicators of interest -
You can't really seek obvious green lights as an encouragement to make a move. In fact, with those girls you should be more concerned with obvious signals of obvious disinterest. When you see those you stop and back off. As long as those are not present you're in the game. Hence, you gotta do what YOU want to do without expecting signals or trying to read her. Basically it means to listen your guts and act accordingly.

Socially savvy hot women can be quite cruel with this... short answers, not buying into your frame, breaking off, not initiating anything, playing hard to get, going silent at times, etc. It's like they want to see which guy can handle them and which is at a mercy of their whims. So if you want to sit with her on a couch to talk in private you take her hand and start walking without even looking at her for approval. It displays certain "been there done that" entitlement as if it's normal to you. Again, subcommunication of status.

There are also introverted/shy girls who simply get self conscious [to you: boring] when they like a guy. It's natural so this case you gotta do everything on your own and look after her as you go. Whether she's shy or you have to lead hard [emotionally, conversationally, physically, sexually] and adjust after you get resistance, not before.

- Clear expectations and boundaries -
I've learned it's better to be straightforward early on about your most important habits/likes/dislikes and how you live your life in general. It can be bumpy road at first when the girl is coming to grips with your personality when she meets you. Still it's way better this way than laying down the law later on cause then set yourself for constant arguments and misunderstandings that have to be dealt with.

It's draining but ultimately it's your fault.

Unclear expectations only lead to crossing you personal boundaries. And believe me, nobody is better at crossing your personal boundaries than a beautiful girl you're chasing or dating. It starts really small but with no intervention from you it can snowball pretty fast. Therefore it's very important to pay close attention to what is going on between you both on a regular basis without thinking with your dick. It actually applies to all women but those very attractive ones are more sneaky with crossing your limits.

For example, a girl gets super dramatic about how she literally has no time for her homework for class [basic presentation] and asks you to help her [do it for her] but then it turns out that when she stops browsing stupid shit online she can magically do her project on her own in 20 fucking minutes. Another case, she casually mentions here and there how other guys hit on her. There's a lot of shit like that.

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In general, my impression is that unlike regular girls [flashy game and easygoing dating] with attractive ones it's the other way around. Under the radar game and demanding dating.

When I come up with something I'll write part 2.

Post: #63

One of the few 9s I have had the pleasure of seeing face to face. Didnt bang though. Lady Kitty Spencer. She dated cricketer Nick Compton and is now engaged a 44 year old tycoon.

I saw her at college not knowing who she was. I told her she should be in Hollywood instead of college and she politely smiled and said thanks. She tried to hook me up with her ugly friend. I wasnt interested.

Post: #64

^^ Not a 9.

Post: #65

(11-29-2015 05:44 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  ^^ Not a 9.

Are you serious?! What is she then? A five and half? She is dating a billionaire for Christssakes!

Post: #66

(11-29-2015 07:42 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 05:44 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  ^^ Not a 9.

Are you serious?! What is she then? A five and half? She is dating a billionaire for Christssakes!

would have to agree, she looks like one of those plumper homely british chics

Post: #67

I love you guys and this forum, but my original post sayingL

Quote: There aren't any 9s and 10s, only 8s who know how to use makeup.

Stands even more true now than ever. All of the pictures posted above are women who have applied at least eye shadow and foundation. They are at bare minimum 8s. Yes, they are all objectively hot and when I say that I mean I WB. But if we're going to start ranking them, we have to acknowledge the effect makeup has on beauty which some of you guys haven't even taken into consideration! You're being lured into women's age old trap!

Catch a lady without makeup and you see the tree essence of her. At the bare minimum most women apply foundation and a light amount of eye liner which sometimes can make them significantly more attractive.

Without make up it's a whole different ball game:
Kim Kardashian

A 6 easily going to a 9.

Some random red head:

She goes from 5 to 9. EASILY

You want to see hot girls that don't hide behind makeup? Look at girls aged 13-20 . They don't wear make up because well, they don't need to. They're attractive as is.

Salena Gomez is a great example for me. Although she's 23, she still looks arguably cute without make up:


I'd say she's a solid 7.
Young Miley Cyrus:


Still cute, again another 7. Take on makeup and what do you get?

An 8!

There is really no point in calling women 9 or 10s unless you're taking makeup into account. Frankly that's disingenuous because most women don't tack on that much makeup and attention to detail unless they're going to some very important function. Even foundation and eye liner is game changing enough that a woman will not spend her entire life with permanent foundation and eye liner.

A gent said it in another thread and I agree whole heartily: youth is beauty and beauty is youth.

Edit: Here's a challenge for the forum:

Find me pictures of an 8 through 10 who is NOT wearing any make up. They're all going to top out in the 8 range at best. Ethnicities such as asian or latino will definitely have more of them than not.

1st one:
Young Kim Kardashian. Hands down an eight.

Post: #68

Let's keep this thread on topic, there are other threads for this sort of thing:

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Regardless of your makeup argument, there are women who are objectively beautiful with or without makeup, who will inevitably have vastly different life experiences than the rest of us, from a young age.

The way I see it these women have been coddled not only as children, as most are, but especially since their teen and adolescent years. Free stuff, approached by high (and low) status males, appearance-based employment where they're around other beautiful women...

This experience gives them a better ability to discern a true high status male from a guy with game. Experience is knowledge is power, as in any other field. She's been dealing with this far more than most women and has way more options than other women. Why would she, knowing she's a high status female, go for anything less than top shelf?

You still need game. A rich loser is still a loser.How many threads are there on here about celebrities or sports stars acting beta in one way or another

Post: #69

(11-27-2015 06:07 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  Long story short, I spent a lot of my time with her(except for occasional same day lays from tinder chicks). It took two weeks to get the bang (I said my game is average) and like the world spins so does her hamster. I left and she eventually got back into the party and drug scene, fucked her boss at work and he fired her after he found out she had a gang of beta orbiters taking her out to eat/buying her stuff on top of him doing it as well. She traveled the world after that on other dudes dimes and eventually found a job at some resort town.

Awesome post!

I'm curious....so what the hell was her job(s)? Was she a former model and then moved out to Monterrey?


So far what i've gathered in this thread from the 2 stories being yours and the threadstarters about his buddy with a Russian model it seems like a combination of once in a lifetime situational luck and solid game. The threadstarters buddy leverage a Russian winggirl to eventually bounce the Russian model back for a lay(but he couldn't secure anything after which is a partial loss). Your situation was a combination of pure luck, solid game and value(your high value friends). If you would had any thing that fell out from the above you would have lost her. If you were some internet PUA who had no friends but happen to run tight game sounds like you would have lost her in the 2 weeks before the bang.

Going back to what WestIndianArchie is asking....how do you realistically game them and apply it to real life without relying on once in a lifetime situation? Sounds like you can't do it by just game in the West. Realistically i'm guessing you need to put yourself in situations where they are and your life revolves around that situation (what Noir was referencing). You need some kind of value in entertainment industry where those girls are(DJ, Photographer, Actor, Director, Club owner, Athlete..etc). If you don't have the above Im guessing you can't replicate it without once in a lifetime luck/logistics.

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If there is a guy who consistently gets 9s without fame or money then I will guess that he doesn’t think a lot about how to treat a 9 differently than a 7 or an 8. I think he treats everyone differently because he understands enough about women and people to treat them all differently. He has a different perspective and isn't thinking in terms of 8 versus 9.

Post: #71

(11-26-2015 12:13 AM)Pride male Wrote:  How to treat a 9? Just neg her.

Will never work with a real 9

Post: #72

(11-29-2015 03:52 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  If there is a guy who consistently gets 9s without fame or money then I will guess that he doesn’t think a lot about how to treat a 9 differently than a 7 or an 8. I think he treats everyone differently because he understands enough about women and people to treat them all differently. He has a different perspective and isn't thinking in terms of 8 versus 9.

I would include looks as well. I:E: A guy who consistently gets 9s without fame, money or looks.

My best friend might just be the most successful person I've ever met when it comes to women. He has no money. He has next to no social circle. He has no game and he routinely gets the best quality female in any given social situation all the while saying some of the most cringe worthy game killer lines. He's currently dating a South African model [Who also happened to be a virgin]. They live together in Amsterdam. He smokes weed all day. Doesn't work. Plays video games and is 100% in control of the relationship.

All he has is looks BUT…

…Looks always afford anyone instantly high status.

Post: #73

(11-29-2015 04:57 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 03:52 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  If there is a guy who consistently gets 9s without fame or money then I will guess that he doesn’t think a lot about how to treat a 9 differently than a 7 or an 8. I think he treats everyone differently because he understands enough about women and people to treat them all differently. He has a different perspective and isn't thinking in terms of 8 versus 9.

I would include looks as well. I:E: A guy who consistently gets 9s without fame, money or looks.

My best friend might just be the most successful person I've ever met when it comes to women. He has no money. He has next to no social circle. He has no game and he routinely gets the best quality female in any given social situation all the while saying some of the most cringe worthy game killer lines. He's currently dating a South African model [Who also happened to be a virgin]. They live together in Amsterdam. He smokes weed all day. Doesn't work. Plays video games and is 100% in control of the relationship.

All he has is looks BUT…

…Looks always afford anyone instantly high status.

It sounds like has a lot more than looks going for him. He obviously has some kind of rock solid frame that allowing him to smoke weed and play video games and control the relationship. Sounds pretty alpha to me and he doesn't need a "who lies more" opener to bang models.

He's leveraging more than looks because I know guys who are better looking than their girlfriend and they still don't even come close to controlling the relationship. Trust me your friend is leveraging something else which is much better than PUA lines.

Post: #74

(11-29-2015 07:42 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 05:44 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  ^^ Not a 9.

Are you serious?! What is she then? A five and half? She is dating a billionaire for Christssakes!

strong 6

not all billionaires date 9s

not all 9s date rich

Post: #75

Money doesn't buy everything. It certainly didn't buy this billionaire a 9.

(11-29-2015 07:42 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 05:44 AM)Clint Barton Wrote:  ^^ Not a 9.

Are you serious?! What is she then? A five and half? She is dating a billionaire for Christssakes!