Post: #26

(11-05-2011 07:44 PM)Prowl Wrote:  Whether MM is the most successful methodology or not is certainly subjective, but I think it's pretty clear that it was and remains the most innovative. No one else has distilled the chaos of human interaction into an engineered process as thoroughly as Mystery did.

MM was as fad, something that only worked until it became mainstream... otherwise you'd see guys in fuzzy hats and nail polish pulling girls all the time. The best thing MM did for men was to open guy's eyes (like mine) and give them a thirst for more... by turning them on to game.

I don't consider the contents of MM, game. It's just a bunch of parlor tricks that barely scrape the surface of what game is.

Post: #27

(11-07-2011 08:24 PM)Gmac Wrote:  I don't consider the contents of MM, game. It's just a bunch of parlor tricks that barely scrape the surface of what game is.

Dead on.

Post: #28

Personally I find routines are completely useless. The girl will know you for the guy that knows all the "cool" lines instead of the "cool" guy. Also routines limit your creativity when talking to the girl because their are scripts and all of that other bullshit. There will not be scripts when a hot girl is waiting in line when in a store, you will not have a script when you meet a girl on an airplane or boat, you will not have a script for mostly anything. Natural is completely the way to go because you can be yourself and with your personailty, charisma and charm, be able to get the girl.

Post: #29

(11-07-2011 10:16 PM)Insignia Wrote:  Personally I find routines are completely useless. The girl will know you for the guy that knows all the "cool" lines instead of the "cool" guy. Also routines limit your creativity when talking to the girl because their are scripts and all of that other bullshit. There will not be scripts when a hot girl is waiting in line when in a store, you will not have a script when you meet a girl on an airplane or boat, you will not have a script for mostly anything. Natural is completely the way to go because you can be yourself and with your personailty, charisma and charm, be able to get the girl.

I actually have a script, believe it or not, for all those things. A host of other things, as well.

My personality, charisma, and charm do get the girl - and part of the personality, charisma, and charm are the routines I run. They're engaging, fun and clever.

The main point of my game is: PenisInVagina. PnV.

Did I get PnV? Yes.

Does she want to sleep with me again? Yes.

Does she think I'm a genuinely interesting and cool guy, or just a guy with a few gimmicky stories and cool lines? I don't know, nor do I care.

Post: #30

I think some beginners need routines. Especially if they are introverted or shy socially, just need a script to follow. They just don't have the conversational skills needed to carry a conversation with a woman. It can talk years to develop the quick wit and fast tongue needed to talk to girls.

I think this is why Mystery developed those routines and kino games. His low level students literally needed them. You can't just take a shy guy who has never talked to girls and tell him..."just go talk to her"...."make some small talk". They will be shitting their pants. Not knowing what to say only adds to their fear. Routines and scripts make things easier for them. They know exactly what they will say. It doesn't always sound smooth and natural but at least its a start for these guys.

Its just a training tool for beginners. Once they get a little more comfortable, they can start weaving in some of their own natural conversation. After a while, they won't need the routines any more. Its a learning process.

Many of us are a few years past this point so we have forgotten whats its like to be a beginner. Some of them need routines to get started. Thats all it is..

Post: #31

(11-08-2011 12:53 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I think some beginners need routines. Especially if they are introverted or shy socially, just need a script to follow. They just don't have the conversational skills needed to carry a conversation with a woman. It can talk years to develop the quick wit and fast tongue needed to talk to girls.

I think this is why Mystery developed those routines and kino games. His low level students literally needed them. You can't just take a shy guy who has never talked to girls and tell him..."just go talk to her"...."make some small talk". They will be shitting their pants. Not knowing what to say only adds to their fear. Routines and scripts make things easier for them. They know exactly what they will say. It doesn't always sound smooth and natural but at least its a start for these guys.

Its just a training tool for beginners. Once they get a little more comfortable, they can start weaving in some of their own natural conversation. After a while, they won't need the routines any more. Its a learning process.

Many of us are a few years past this point so we have forgotten whats its like to be a beginner. Some of them need routines to get started. Thats all it is..

You're absolutely right. They're training wheels, but once you get enough of these on the road... well, you know the rest. Girls see straight through it.

Post: #32

The thing about routines like the ones Mace were using that I don't like is that they are just too contrived and seem awkward and random. I mean not to knock Mace, because he did a superb job of delivering it, hooking the girls, number closing, etc., but I just don't get asking a girl for "relationship advice" for your friend, one second after you ask her if she knows where the bookstore is.

I know the whole point is to hook the girl into convo and take it from there, but it just seems weird and I think most women, especially ones older than 22 would too. Also what do you do if you start to date this girl regularly and you she wants to meet your friend "Chris" that you so frequently talk about and allude to, you just going to continue to B.S. and make shit up?

Post: #33

(11-08-2011 02:59 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  The thing about routines like the ones Mace were using that I don't like is that they are just too contrived and seem awkward and random. I mean not to knock Mace, because he did a superb job of delivering it, hooking the girls, number closing, etc., but I just don't get asking a girl for "relationship advice" for your friend, one second after you ask her if she knows where the bookstore is.

I know the whole point is to hook the girl into convo and take it from there, but it just seems weird and I think most women, especially ones older than 22 would too. Also what do you do if you start to date this girl regularly and you she wants to meet your friend "Chris" that you so frequently talk about and allude to, you just going to continue to B.S. and make shit up?

Yes.