(10-10-2015 12:22 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I don't think Tolkien ever intended Lord of the Rings to serve as some sort of metaphor for European nationalism

'The Lord Of The Rings' is about civilisation and decency being threatened by industrialised progress and an advancing uncivilised evil force approaching the Shire from the distant south east. How could it be read as anything but a tale about valuing honour, tradition, King and Country?

An interesting quote by Tolkein:

Quote:The country in which I lived in childhood was being shabbily destroyed before I was ten, in days when motor-cars were rare objects (I had never seen one) and men were still building suburban railways. Recently I saw in a paper a picture of the last decrepitude of the once thriving corn-mill beside its pool that long ago seemed to me so important. I never liked the looks of the Young miller, but his father, the Old miller, had a black beard, and he was not named Sandyman.

Also:

Quote:After winning first-class honours, Tolkien dashed into the Army in July 1915, training in Staffordshire and studying signals in Yorkshire. He married in March 1916 and in June was ordered to France. “It was like a death,” he said.

Fortunately, unlike some of his closest friends, he and the 11th Lancashire Fusiliers were not in the first Somme assault. Held in reserve, they helped capture the German stronghold at Ovillers two weeks later.

Now appointed battalion signalling officer, Tolkien was in and out of the trenches for the next three months. In the ordinary soldier – an inspiration for Samwise Gamgee in The Lord of the Rings – he saw astonishing resilience and courage on a battlefield swept by machine guns. Autumn rain made it all a mire, with corpses afloat in shellholes.

On September 15th, 1916, the first Tanks were used in warfare at the Somme and he witnessed the inevitable march of progress and the industrialisation of killing. I know exactly what he'd think of Merkel.

(10-10-2015 12:22 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I don't think Tolkien ever intended Lord of the Rings to serve as some sort of metaphor for European nationalism, but again, he also never intended The Hobbit to serve as some sort of metaphor for various SJW causes, and Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh went ahead and mutilated The Hobbit into that anyway.

So fuck them. Eye for an eye.

Long before the SJW movement got big in the 2010s I had already saw these proto-SJWs talking about how Lord of the Rings is racist. These people suspected that the orcs were supposed to represent Muslim invaders coming in from the south to invade Middle-Earth which was supposed to represent medieval Christian Europe. Apparently the Hobbits were supposed to represent country-side English and the elves were supposed to be Finns. I'm not too familiar with the novel so I'm sure if all of this is bunk or not - I'm only relaying the thoughts of the people who were making these claims.

Quote:I don't think Tolkien ever intended Lord of the Rings to serve as some sort of metaphor for European nationalism

Actually Tolkien lamented how England lost much of its native language and primordial mythology due to its culture being wiped out by the invading tribes which conquered it.

Not entirely sure what Monkey's point about China was. But anyway, I love it when miscegenation is used as a shaming tactic. It's contrary to the stats. Glad he is gone. All 9 posts of him.

Germans are feeling the sting of their stupidity: http://www.focus.de/finanzen/videos/ja-d...02298.html

Labour Minister Andrea Nahles expects more Hartz IV recipients. The number is expected to rise to one million by 2019. Reason is the refugee crisis.

^ That's welfare

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They now write that it take at least 10 to 15 year to make the integration work. I even remember when I talked about immigration 10 years ago. I mention this issue is one of the big ones of our generation and we have to make clear what we as a society expect. The answers had been more harsh then it was today. Anyway it seems lot late.

I noticed something: https://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot/videos

His most popular recent videos are about the refugee crisis. Even beating his videos on Trump.
And he sides with us.

Combined with everything else we see about public opinion turning against these refugees (or turned against as many never supported this at all). All good signs.

(10-10-2015 11:21 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  I noticed something: https://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot/videos

His most popular recent videos are about the refugee crisis. Even beating his videos on Trump.
And he sides with us.

Combined with everything else we see about public opinion turning against these refugees (or turned against as many never supported this at all). All good signs.

Noticed that too - Molyneux has gone full alt-right. There's hardly any of the bow-tie libertarianism or giving relationship advice to low-T dudes left.

A bit of an aside. Gonna try writing an article for Alt-Right publications. There's a lot of what amounts to superstition in the AR. The kind of stuff that being challenged would get rid of, but as it stands there are no (informed) challengers so these mistakes fester.

Now for something real: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments...olidarity/

Good idea. A tax for border protection in places like Italy and Greece. Not a great idea because it's another tax but a good idea. I look forward to seeing how it gets twisted.

And more German dissent: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germ...57099.html

In a guest editorial, Germany's foreign minister and vice chancellor, both from the center-left Social Democrats, argue that Germany cannot accept an unlimited number of refugees.

(10-10-2015 09:00 PM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  At least they are admitting that most of them will end up on welfare.

In Finland, they are talking about pouring more money into "social integration", whatever that means. The process usually takes 3 years. Everyone in the media are saying that we need to get these people to work as soon as possible, they have a lot of potential, it's a jackpot that Finland got them, they are the new Nokia, the biological father of Steve Jobs was from Syria... you name it. At the same time, people with 2 Master's degrees can't find a job even when their native language is Finnish and on top of that they speak at least English and Swedish, possibly also German/French/Italian and/or Russian.

I am sick of those stupid comparisons.

Steve Jobs father despite his original name Abdulfattah Jandali (calls himself John Jandali now) is essentially white:


His biological father - works as a VP at a Nevada Casino.

He was a politics student in San Francisco and certainly highly intelligent and not poor. Also the biological mother of his was Swiss. Back then being born out of wedlock was obviously not a trifle thing and the family of his biological father would not accept a marriage. So according to the demands of the mother Jobs was placed with academics (never mind the working class crap - academics in the 1950s meant something in comparison to now). So Steve Job's father was a well-off completely Caucasian looking man of high intelligence who emigrated legally to the US back when immigration officials looked at race when deciding upon your potential future citizenship. (Also I might add that up until the 1970s employment wasn't much of a problem in the US.)

How is that comparable to the usually uneducated masses coming to a Welfare Europe with rising unemployment? Well-off highly intelligent students from the Middle East can study anywhere they pass their exams at - they don't have to jump a rubber boat and run across Europe for months risking life and limb.

Steve Job's Syrian father looks whiter than Wonderbread and even if he didn't - he was back then in the 1% of wealth and probably IQ as well. Media doing some well-placed propaganda again.

(10-10-2015 07:01 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Oh another tax. Taking money from the workers to the shirkers.

They'll need to hide the real numbers of illegals entering and taking money because it sure as shit on a pigs back ain't going to be a clear day when they come out and say they have a couple million of them to babysit.

When an invading force raises levies from the native population, it is called tribute.

When armies get too big, they have to be moved outside the home country so that other countries can sustain them or the home nation will become bankrupt with the unproductive military overhead.

Replace unproductive mass-armies with the Third World's surplus populations and you can see a sinister development coming into view.

There will be envious eyes in Africa and Asia who will want a share of this tribute.

Nice vid with some scenes I hadn't seen:





What is it with them refusing and throwing away water and food? Also you will see in one scene an entire crowd comprised of Pakistani men waiving the Pakistani flag! There were enough of them around to do that - heh.

Also nice article by a journalist and historian:

http://www.floppingaces.net/2015/09/23/a...nt-page-1/

Quote:I assert by failing to protect borders Western governments are waging war against their own people. War is fought for territory and resources. The West didn’t just magically appear as an advanced, successful civilization. It was created from the blood, sweat and tears of our ancestors who built the greatest civilization over centuries of struggle. Surrendering territory to swarms of third world invaders is a diabolical betrayal of our forefathers who would surely be furious at what is being done to the civilization they created.

Immigration is biggest threat to the West and it’s changing Europe beyond recognition. The West isn’t being conquered by Muslims, it’s being surrendered into Dar al Islam by those who are supposed to serve and protect their people. Right now you and I are bearing witness to the greatest betrayal ever committed in human history.

I might add that the US government is doing the same - it's only problematic to the US that the invaders cannot cross the Atlantic on rubber boats. So instead they import them themselves, but those numbers are only tens of thousands - almost 10.000 last fiscal year from Somalia:

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/201...des-facts/

Quote:The U.S. government has resettled more than 110,000 Somali refugees since the early 1990s and shipped in another 8,858 during the most recent fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30, according to U.S. State Department data.

That's from Somalia alone.

(10-10-2015 08:08 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 12:22 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I don't think Tolkien ever intended Lord of the Rings to serve as some sort of metaphor for European nationalism, but again, he also never intended The Hobbit to serve as some sort of metaphor for various SJW causes, and Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh went ahead and mutilated The Hobbit into that anyway.

So fuck them. Eye for an eye.

Long before the SJW movement got big in the 2010s I had already saw these proto-SJWs talking about how Lord of the Rings is racist. These people suspected that the orcs were supposed to represent Muslim invaders coming in from the south to invade Middle-Earth which was supposed to represent medieval Christian Europe. Apparently the Hobbits were supposed to represent country-side English and the elves were supposed to be Finns. I'm not too familiar with the novel so I'm sure if all of this is bunk or not - I'm only relaying the thoughts of the people who were making these claims.

During the LOTR-era, many people marveled how Jackson managed to get such a film past the Hollywood culture distorters.

A large collection of back issues of the British Nationalist Candour magazine that Tolkien collected was sold from his estate in the late 1990s. This journal was founded by AK Chesterton who was a member of the British Union of Fascists.

Tolkien's red biro mark-ups round paragraphs within his magazines seem to show is concern about the swift decline of the British Empire following WW2, industrialism's negative affect on culture and the usury of the money power system. We can make a lot of connections between the Ring of Power binding kings into a debt-based system that eventually destroys everything.

He was a Roman Catholic social conservative. In England, Roman Catholics traditionally believe that the Reformation destroyed the 'Merry Olde England' feudal system which gave workers many days off work for Catholic feasts and allowed an austere Calvinist/ Central bank system take over.

In fact you can argue that much of the religious and political materialism that we see today came from Calvinist England:

1. Pre-destination: God has selected those who will be saved and will rule as saints in the New Jerusalem. Survival/ salvation of the Elect.

2. Replaced by: Nature has selected the species and human classes to survive through a progressive process of evolution. Survival of the fittest.

3. Laissez-faire capitalism: 'The Hidden Hand' of market forces will select the socio-economic groups that will be the fittest to survive. Survival of the prudent.

4. Social justice: social progressiveness will dawn a new day in the secular Jerusalem of total equality.

(10-11-2015 02:03 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 08:08 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 12:22 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I don't think Tolkien ever intended Lord of the Rings to serve as some sort of metaphor for European nationalism, but again, he also never intended The Hobbit to serve as some sort of metaphor for various SJW causes, and Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh went ahead and mutilated The Hobbit into that anyway.

So fuck them. Eye for an eye.

Long before the SJW movement got big in the 2010s I had already saw these proto-SJWs talking about how Lord of the Rings is racist. These people suspected that the orcs were supposed to represent Muslim invaders coming in from the south to invade Middle-Earth which was supposed to represent medieval Christian Europe. Apparently the Hobbits were supposed to represent country-side English and the elves were supposed to be Finns. I'm not too familiar with the novel so I'm sure if all of this is bunk or not - I'm only relaying the thoughts of the people who were making these claims.

In fact you can argue that much of the religious and political materialism that we see today came from Calvinist England:

1. Pre-destination: God has selected those who will be saved and will rule as saints in the New Jerusalem. Survival/ salvation of the Elect.

2. Replaced by: Nature has selected the species and human classes to survive through a progressive process of evolution. Survival of the fittest.

3. Laissez-faire capitalism: 'The Hidden Hand' of market forces will select the socio-economic groups that will be the fittest to survive. Survival of the prudent.

4. Social justice: social progressiveness will dawn a new day in the secular Jerusalem of total equality.

Very interesting. For the last few years I've been interested in the idea of how Protestantism especially of the Anglo variety is the ancestor of all the sort of atheist SJWism we see these days. It's quite interesting to see that all of the Four Horseman of atheism have had a WASP background of some sort. Dennett was raised as a New England Congregationalist while both Dawkins and Hitchens have with Anglican backgrounds and Harris had a Quaker father.

(10-11-2015 02:13 AM)Wutang Wrote:  Very interesting. For the last few years I've been interested in the idea of how Protestantism especially of the Anglo variety is the ancestor of all the sort of atheist SJWism we see these days. It's quite interesting to see that all of the Four Horseman of atheism have had a WASP background of some sort. Dennett was raised as a New England Congregationalist while both Dawkins and Hitchens have with Anglican backgrounds and Harris had a Quaker father.

The World Council of Churches was highly responsible for it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Council_of_Churches

It was Rockefeller financed and had many "updates" for the church fathers. At the same time they infiltrated Catholic organizations - or better put - the very top in order to change the religion accordingly. The protestants had many interesting and good points, but many people miss that many churches have been highly manipulated for a long time now.

The focus on Israel as a future holy land and the attention directed at the Old Testament is a hallmark of that manipulation. (In my opinion the Old Testament is completely contradictory to the New Testament.) Never mind the feminism and anti-male sentiment that you can read about at the excellent 'sphere blogger Dalrock - it's all part of the same cloth.

Here some updates on the churches:
http://www.baptistcreationcare.org/node/1
http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/20...te-change/
http://interpares.ca/content/about-us
http://interfaithclimate.org/get-involve...r-together
http://interfaithclimate.org/the-statement/
http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/1999/rogers.html

It's more concerning climate change in that case, but it covers all updated PC-SJW topics there.

While the sheep are sleeping the wolves of the world are busy plotting and executing ways of how to enslave the sheep even more. At least with Christianity it's more peaceful.

(10-11-2015 02:13 AM)Wutang Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 02:03 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 08:08 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 12:22 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I don't think Tolkien ever intended Lord of the Rings to serve as some sort of metaphor for European nationalism, but again, he also never intended The Hobbit to serve as some sort of metaphor for various SJW causes, and Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh went ahead and mutilated The Hobbit into that anyway.

So fuck them. Eye for an eye.

Long before the SJW movement got big in the 2010s I had already saw these proto-SJWs talking about how Lord of the Rings is racist. These people suspected that the orcs were supposed to represent Muslim invaders coming in from the south to invade Middle-Earth which was supposed to represent medieval Christian Europe. Apparently the Hobbits were supposed to represent country-side English and the elves were supposed to be Finns. I'm not too familiar with the novel so I'm sure if all of this is bunk or not - I'm only relaying the thoughts of the people who were making these claims.

In fact you can argue that much of the religious and political materialism that we see today came from Calvinist England:

1. Pre-destination: God has selected those who will be saved and will rule as saints in the New Jerusalem. Survival/ salvation of the Elect.

2. Replaced by: Nature has selected the species and human classes to survive through a progressive process of evolution. Survival of the fittest.

3. Laissez-faire capitalism: 'The Hidden Hand' of market forces will select the socio-economic groups that will be the fittest to survive. Survival of the prudent.

4. Social justice: social progressiveness will dawn a new day in the secular Jerusalem of total equality.

Very interesting. For the last few years I've been interested in the idea of how Protestantism especially of the Anglo variety is the ancestor of all the sort of atheist SJWism we see these days. It's quite interesting to see that all of the Four Horseman of atheism have had a WASP background of some sort. Dennett was raised as a New England Congregationalist while both Dawkins and Hitchens have with Anglican backgrounds and Harris had a Quaker father.

If you are taking a look at Protestantism, it is first useful to divide it into its two major parts:

1. Pre-destination (Calvinism's influence on the Presbyterians and Congregationalists [Oliver Cromwell was a Congregationalist]) and

2. Free-will (Methodists, Baptists, Pentecostals and the Faith movement).

The Anglican Church is either 'High Church' (high ritual) or 'Low Church' (low ritual). This is because Queen Elizabeth put the Anglo-Catholics (High Church) and Calvinists (Low Church) into the same state church to control the Reformation and Counter-Reformation. I am not sure which Anglican element Dawkins and Hitchens come from.

The Free-will Protestants accord with the Roman Catholic doctrine that God made Adam and his sons the stewards of the physical realm. Hence Tolkien's 'Return of the King' to legally receive the rule of Middle Earth from the Stewards of Gondor.

In the same way that Judaism developed its atheist elements, it seems that Calvinism has done the same thing in both the financial and social spheres. The godless revolutionary puritanism of today in its Darwinist and Adam Smith forms does seem to come from a marriage between Pre-destination Protestantism and Judaism. Hence the bizarre term 'Judeo-Christian' in the Anglosphere. This is a term that would have been seen has highly contradictory in European history.

(10-11-2015 02:42 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Hence the bizarre term 'Judeo-Christian' in the Anglosphere. This is a term that would have been seen has highly contradictory in European history.

I was thinking about this the other day actually. When did the term "Judeo-Christian" become popularized? Wikipedia tells me it's been around since the 50's, but was it used much before the 90's?

(10-11-2015 03:36 AM)iop890 Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 02:42 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Hence the bizarre term 'Judeo-Christian' in the Anglosphere. This is a term that would have been seen has highly contradictory in European history.

I was thinking about this the other day actually. When did the term "Judeo-Christian" become popularized? Wikipedia tells me it's been around since the 50's, but was it used much before the 90's?

It was occasionally used in the US during the 19th Century but it wasn't widespread.

It probably entered the public domain during the Second World War when the US Government was trying to secure reluctant Americans' support for the war effort by framing it as a clash between Judeo-Christianity and revived Germanic paganism. By this stage, major Protestant elements were using the Schofield Study Bible which had pro-Zionist footnotes in it.

Of course the use of the term was aided with the formation of Israel in 1948 but the rabbis mostly reject the term.
I also think there is a cuckservative element to its use by Anglo conservatives during what they seem to be the struggle against 'Cultural Marxism'. Their unPC politics can at least get some sort of licence to exist by being philo-Semitic.

(10-11-2015 02:42 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Hence the bizarre term 'Judeo-Christian' in the Anglosphere. This is a term that would have been seen has highly contradictory in European history.

The term itself is rather a Zionist invention. Still there is a common heritage and mental framework. Jesus was a Jew and even if you deny that, then his parents certainly were.

The crux of the matter is one of power and was established very soon - Catholic church vs money power influence of usury. This is an age-old struggle. Yes - there are supremacist "chosen people" tendencies in the Jewish faith in combination with viewing other people as goyim and taking it for granted that they should rule. It's partly embedded less in the Torah, but more in the Talmud.

Still - we should not equate it with the entire Jewish people. Also the comparisons of history where Jews were ousted from England or Spain stink. Why? Because it usually was connected to the usual business-ventures of usury in England and usury as well as slave trade with the ruling Muslims in Spain. We forget that the Jewish people have been living for centuries in Poland, Ukraine and Russia peacefully going after normal trades or being farmers.




"Dybbuk" - a Yiddish movie filmed in Poland in 1937 - shows also how many people lived back then.

Sometimes the Ashkenazi Jews were doing better economically than the local ones, but that can be explained by greater propensity for business, better k-selected breeding and higher IQs. The intermarriage rate in countries like Germany or Poland was massive. Many Jews fought and died in WWI for Germany and in Poland there was practically no conflict either.

Also equating communism and their crimes with Judaism is about as logical as equating Nazism with Christianity. Yes - most Russian communists in 1917 were Jews and most Nazis were Christians - and yes the animosity to each other was likely fed to a degree by their respective religions, but it was and is NOT SYSTEMATIC of both religions.

That's why I would never accuse Judaism of those crimes and accusing the entire Jewish people is just nuts.

It's always as it was - IT's the elite and it's usury. At certain times it was the power-hungry armed Catholic church which fought other powerful interests. It wasn't much of a religious struggle really. Then it runs off into different tangents as well - but all have nothing to do with those religions.

In fact if we compare with how the average Jewish man in Israel or around the world lives, then you see very little difference to how most secular men live around the world. A Judeo-Christian worldview may be an anachronism, but it fits our lifestyles and outlooks on life. In my opinion both our elites don't give two shits about us. We have that in common.

Islam on the other hand is an entirely different path, that has violent conquest and return to the Middle Ages practically written into their design: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ (All despite my admiration of some of the saints like Rumi or Khalil Gibran - but those men rose beyond the original design of the religion)

I don't want to warm up that debate here again, because it's useless in my opinion. Just wanted to clear some myths which are certainly counterproductive here.

(10-09-2015 12:00 PM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  At the same time, Denmark is getting a fraction of the asylum seekers Sweden gets. They cut the benefits in half and are requiring the asylum seekers and refugees to do something for their money. Finland is now going to adopt the same system: the amount of money they will get will be very, very low and they are required to actively seek integration and assimilation by working (like picking berries or cutting trees in the forest), learning the language and that kind of stuff. So, Finland won't be a paradise where you get lavish amounts of money for nothing.

Also, Finland is in the process of tightening the criteria of asylum for people from Iraq and Somalia. Iraqis are the biggest group of asylum seekers, about 90%. There was a poll and almost 90% want them to tighten the criteria significantly. It's starting to look better right now, the only problem I see are the asylum seekers going crazy when they get rejected and the authorities try to deport them.

It is clear that the welfare state is a pull on the invasion just as Afrikaner diamonds and gold attracted the attentions of the British Empire (Boer elders tried to destroy newly found diamond clusters knowing that they would only cause the City of London to send its imperial forces to liberate them for speculation in the international casinos).

However I have not discounted the possibility that the financial powers that be are planning to take down the European welfare state. The invasion will not only destroy it through weight of number and parasitism, it will also lead many Europeans to consider the Boer tactic of destroying that which attracts the invasion in the first place. The only winner will be the banks and the shareholders in the shadows.

There are great profits to be had by investing in people's natural fear of sickness by the privatisation of medical care and also the removal of the dole will cause people to seek temporary relief from the money lender.

The answer to protect productive citizens from the boom and bust chaos capitalist system by a welfare state and to protect the welfare state with strong borders. This is another example that socialism (all for one and one for all) can only survive in a nation state. International socialism is the ouroboros snake that eats itself.

These trolls suck. Bring back Little Dark.

(10-11-2015 02:13 AM)Wutang Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 02:03 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 08:08 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 12:22 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I don't think Tolkien ever intended Lord of the Rings to serve as some sort of metaphor for European nationalism, but again, he also never intended The Hobbit to serve as some sort of metaphor for various SJW causes, and Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh went ahead and mutilated The Hobbit into that anyway.

So fuck them. Eye for an eye.

Long before the SJW movement got big in the 2010s I had already saw these proto-SJWs talking about how Lord of the Rings is racist. These people suspected that the orcs were supposed to represent Muslim invaders coming in from the south to invade Middle-Earth which was supposed to represent medieval Christian Europe. Apparently the Hobbits were supposed to represent country-side English and the elves were supposed to be Finns. I'm not too familiar with the novel so I'm sure if all of this is bunk or not - I'm only relaying the thoughts of the people who were making these claims.

In fact you can argue that much of the religious and political materialism that we see today came from Calvinist England:

1. Pre-destination: God has selected those who will be saved and will rule as saints in the New Jerusalem. Survival/ salvation of the Elect.

2. Replaced by: Nature has selected the species and human classes to survive through a progressive process of evolution. Survival of the fittest.

3. Laissez-faire capitalism: 'The Hidden Hand' of market forces will select the socio-economic groups that will be the fittest to survive. Survival of the prudent.

4. Social justice: social progressiveness will dawn a new day in the secular Jerusalem of total equality.

Very interesting. For the last few years I've been interested in the idea of how Protestantism especially of the Anglo variety is the ancestor of all the sort of atheist SJWism we see these days. It's quite interesting to see that all of the Four Horseman of atheism have had a WASP background of some sort. Dennett was raised as a New England Congregationalist while both Dawkins and Hitchens have with Anglican backgrounds and Harris had a Quaker father.

This is what I'm doing a new project about, tracing the logical history. It goes back thousands of years.

Really, this kind of thing was almost inevitable given some of the tenets of monotheism and Christianity in particular.

People are waking up ,especially here in Vienna where there was a city election today.

http://kurier.at/politik/inland/wien-wah...57.564.083

I'm also noticing that other immigrants living here,especially secular turks and Eastern Europeans are getting pissed off more and more people flooding the gates of Europe/Vienna. The ''Blues'' ,that is the FPÖ has been successfully courting Austro-Serbian voters for this very reason. Hell,even Israeli's with Austrian nationality are also supporting the blues.

Strache is also a Putin fan. Calling him a ''pure Democrat''

http://orf.at/stories/2226790/


Today makes me hopeful for the future of Europe,US is long gone but Western Europe may stand a chance.

(10-11-2015 11:21 AM)Nowak Wrote:  People are waking up ,especially here in Vienna where there was a city election today.

http://kurier.at/politik/inland/wien-wah...57.564.083

I'm also noticing that other immigrants living here,especially secular turks and Eastern Europeans are getting pissed off more and more people flooding the gates of Europe/Vienna. The ''Blues'' ,that is the FPÖ has been successfully courting Austro-Serbian voters for this very reason. Hell,even Israeli's with Austrian nationality are also supporting the blues.

Strache is also a Putin fan. Calling him a ''pure Democrat''

http://orf.at/stories/2226790/


Today makes me hopeful for the future of Europe,US is long gone but Western Europe may stand a chance.

That's just the local city election of Vienna which has a high immigrant population - and many of them being Eastern Europeans and long-time Turks. They barely got 30% despite all that is happening right now. The Socialists with the Green crazies (who are full-blown Marxists like everywhere else) will continue to rule the capitol of Vienna. Nothing will change.

Austria has one of the strongest opposition parties in the West and they could not reach 35%. How many years will have to go by with the people to realize that this has to be stopped via more drastic measures?

What will happen is that the population will segregate more like in the example of California's White Power SJW - haven. Preach diversity, but live far away from diversity.

Also note how the media still sells it as a "win" for the leading socialist party. What complicates the matter as well is that parties like the SD in Sweden, UKIP, Front National or FPOE have to win a majority - sometimes even 60%+ in order to rule since all other traitors will merrily form coalitions against them. Only Victor Orban in Hungary reaches such levels of popularity.

Here current German polls:

http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/



Only AFD is willing to do something about it - aside from the far right ones - and they have support of some 6-8%. Good luck at reaching 60%. The CDU will only talk, but do what is asked of them.

For the UK to initiate changes, UKIP would have to probably win some 85% of the votes.

Western Europe is done for - the opposing parties won't be able to reach critical mass in time to stop this madness. 50-150 mio. migrants are set to come to the EU and before the people get fed up sufficiently to vote for more radical measures.

I really wonder why you're on a self-improvement site when your attitude in regards to almost everything is to throw up your hands and say "it's over," along with a good deal of exaggeration.

Take it one day at a time, one evolution at a time. Several people pointed out some good signs. You don't enlist the masses to make change, and things are accelerating quickly.

Speaking of, Trump weighed in here toward the middle of the interview:





He called out Merkel by name and said that what she's doing is insane and that he's lost all confidence in her.

If Trump gets elected President you better believe there'd be an effect on this in Europe. Another reason to support Trump.