(10-05-2015 03:33 PM)Travesty Wrote:  I'd be a lot more worried about living in that neighborhood than how my day game would be affected.

Was a one time stay...changed to a hotel IMMEDIATELY after that incident...but now..I'm back in my "home city" not traveling.

I also have to elaborate..I'm scared of feeling perceived as a "thief" on the street by others....so I'm somehow oddly feeling a bit more shy during day game situations as a result of the incident

Had 2 solid dates last week, that makes 3 in a row:

Indian girl say 6.5 is (she might be a 7) she camouflaged her body well, quick drink and meet, vibed really well, she digs the kind of bad boy vibe I had going on, she seems very conservative, I gave a her a kiss, she sure as hell didn't know how to react, which was hilarious in itself.

I pulled away after and she held on tightly, it's as if so much sexual tension was being released on her end, I laughed and said I'll see you soon. We've been texting here and there so far so good.

Armenian girl 6.8 ish (maybe a 7 after I see those titties) - she was the one that was texting this:



We met up at a local venue, as soon as we grab a drink and sit down, she IMMEDIATELY shit tested me saying:

"I thought you'd be bigger like in your pictures, that's what I liked about you" - I laugh it off and say "come on now, you gotta straight flex in your pictures !"

I come back with "I thought you had long hair, what happened ?, how old are your pictures ?" she kind of startledly says "Oh yeah I just cut it and trimmed it blah blah blah"

I respond with "oh I dig long hair" and change the subject.

I didn't get any shit tests after that. Put them in check, they wont pull that shit again.

We grab a drink, we chat our lives up, she definitely sounds like she's a daddy's girl problem causing girl. Perfect in my book.

I get some social recognition from some guys on the patio I know, I don't even remember wtf else we talked about, I pay the tab, we bounce to another venue.

Grab another drink, I know the female bartender, and I chat her up a bit, I get the "you just know everyone don't you" line, I smile and say "what can I say, you either love me or hate me"

We bullshit some more, I can tell she's warming up to me, she's kinoing me, leaning into me.

We bounce, she pays the tab, and I walk her across to big ass fountain, and we check out the birds and sit down on a bench.

We start people watching, I keep leading her to think I'm going in for the kiss and I don't. Then finally I do and she's all about it, you can always tell when a girls into kissing you. She gives a big sigh.

I pull back, we talk about couples around us and see if they're married or on a date, I slap her on and she tells me stop, obviously because she likes it too much. So I pull her hair - I can she's getting turned on but not super comfortable yet.

I had teased her about cuffs, whips, ties, etc was we walk away from the fountain - she drops christian grey - I call him a bitch ass pussy - she laughs.

I wasn't pushing for the bang, I had to get up early, I knew I had her locked in, I'm not worried about it.

She texts me twice that night, then that morning and even calls me, which I ignore.

Hoping for the bang this week, along with a second date with the cute black 7.



I also got a fitness instructors digits from online, she's cute, short, in shape, BUT has a kid - we'll see how that plays out.

The indian girl is out of town this week for work, so that eases my schedule.

I've also got 2 plates on the back burner, picked up another number off CMB and another one off POF.

Numbers are easy, it's my schedule that isn't.

Oh I also picked up a new whip, got a steal on it, it isn't the panty dropper I wanted but I'm being financially responsible, fuck having a payment.

^^^
definitely gonna steal that "yea they either love me or hate me" line from now on whenever a girl hits me with the "you just know everyone don't you?"

edit:

anyone have any good light and playful negs?

I love this one I sniped from delicioustacos' blog: "you look like the type of girl who's last words are going to be 'hold my drink, watch this!'"

Went on my second date in 2 weeks. Both chick's were 2 points ABOVE their pictures. I thought the one today was going to be a SIF but it turns out she was just really unphotogenic with a pear shaped body.

I was in full aspergers mode for the first date after working 70 hr weeks for months and having little to no social interaction. Never even bothered setting up date 2

This date went pretty well as I'm getting back 8nto my stride. Chick was kind of weird but definitely LTR material. Just my type. Super smiley and bookish

I still need to work on not asking so many questions and good body language/voice

Awesome report Kaotic. My online game is still a work in progress. I think its only a matter of getting them out/offline that makes the difference. That Christian Grey response is gold, haha.

I'm feeling really meh towards game at the moment. It's weird because the weather has gotten warm and summer is about to start so I thought I'd be primed.
However I feel burnt out and cannot be stuffed putting in the effort right now to meet new girls. I've got my 4 plates so I'm still banging regularly but I haven't pulled a new number in weeks.
I've not got a single date or plate lined up this week and I'm happy about that.

I don't really get why I'm feeling like this

(10-05-2015 11:31 PM)Roardog Wrote:  I'm feeling really meh towards game at the moment. It's weird because the weather has gotten warm and summer is about to start so I thought I'd be primed.
However I feel burnt out and cannot be stuffed putting in the effort right now to meet new girls. I've got my 4 plates so I'm still banging regularly but I haven't pulled a new number in weeks.
I've not got a single date or plate lined up this week and I'm happy about that.

I don't really get why I'm feeling like this

It's call game fatigue - I get it ever so often as do other players.

It's a normal cycle that many can attest to.

You're HAPPY - that's key. Do what makes you happy, fuck a bitch.

You've got plates, you enjoy them when YOU want.

Sooner or later you'll get that drive to get new numbers - and you'll do so.

So enjoy what you have for now, don't catch anything and don't get a bitch pregnant!

Among the myriad of behaviours of Western women that serve to frustrate us, I've started to see an uptick in one I find particularly galling; drunk girls in nightclubs fucking with guys' hats.

It's something I'm starting to see almost all the time I go out now - guy will be chillin' with his group of friends drinking, and suddenly a gaggle of girls will run up, snag a guy's hat, and then run off cackling like a bunch of bitches.

Usually the guy just stands there looking like a defeated idiot and I'm internally screaming at him "why the fuck are you letting her get away with that shit?"

What really irks me is the fact that they know they can get away with it. But how would they respond if we were to start jacking their smartphones? They'd flip shit. I'm tempted to do that to a chick after she takes a guy's hat but I'm pretty sure the lesson would completely fly over her head and I'd get tossed by the bouncers.

Is anyone else seeing this in the same amount I am?

^^^ yeah I hosted a big party earlier this summer and my buddy had his favorite hat busted by an annoying +30 single chic, so fucking annoying. Can't vouch for the 'in the club' situations.

So I went out with some buddies tonight. Nothing crazy, beers and darts at a local young people's hangout (college and post college). So I get this call from a girl I'd worked on a bit (more than I'd like to admit), and we finally had a nice time last weekend (ie hot sex). I'd said I was busy this evening, regardless...

So she calls me. I missed of course, playing darts etc in this bar. I text her and say "what's up". Nothing. So I get a ride home with a buddy, and I figure, what the hell, I'll call her back. Call, nothing.

I'll set her straight next time I see her. She can play games, but I aint playin games. It's over, and I'll move on (I have a couple others in the queue...well, one that I'm actively banging).

If she wants anything real, she can play by my rules. Don't call me one minute, then the next minute never respond. God these chics annoy the hell outta me. When you've found a decent one, they end up being the worst people in the world.

It's amazing. Bros, it's not my first rodeo, and I still get this shit. If any of ya'll are getting bent outta shape about a specific chic, don't. Most of em have no decency.

Meh, I'm enjoying a fine cigar post night out. Feeling good.

Been dealing with a lot of post-first meet flaking lately. My last string of online leads have all led nowhere (even if the physical attraction is strong and make-out occurs). I've remained mostly optimistic, but it's hard to not get bummed on occasion. I'd rather the girl reveal herself or her disinterest upfront/over the phone and not meet her, rather than waste my time over drinks and build any sense of false hope. To at least get the bang and then she ghosts is one thing... Maybe they're all sensing the player vibe and my desire to get the bang asap/not waste time. Makes me want to get back to night game. At least in that arena the results are expedited and binary.

(10-09-2015 10:38 AM)Player_1337 Wrote:  Been dealing with a lot of post-first meet flaking lately. My last string of online leads have all led nowhere (even if the physical attraction is strong and make-out occurs). I've remained mostly optimistic, but it's hard to not get bummed on occasion. I'd rather the girl reveal herself or her disinterest upfront/over the phone and not meet her, rather than waste my time over drinks and build any sense of false hope. To at least get the bang and then she ghosts is one thing... Maybe they're all sensing the player vibe and my desire to get the bang asap/not waste time. Makes me want to get back to night game. At least in that arena the results are expedited and binary.

Most girls from online who meet you are at least entertaining the idea of fucking you. She's gotten messages from probably thousands of guys over the last months, so the fact that she chose to meet you as one of the small percentage she meets is a strong IOI and you should assume that sex is on the table .

How are you handling these meetings? Are you changing venues? Escalating? Are the logistics in place to isolate her? Most times you only get one chance with an online girl so you might as push it as far as you can go. A "player vibe" is not a problem with most of these girls; the opposite is true-if you don't fuck her on the first date she will backwards rationalize that she just wasn't attracted to you, regardless of how attracted she actually was during the date.

Another solid 2 dates this week (I think my quality is improving but with a few catches)

The tall 6.85 Colombia/Black girls, early twenties, Tinder matched

After 2 weeks of back and forth and us both being busy we finally met up.

Gymed, met at my local venue. She drove an hour to see me at a venue near my house.

Taller than me, she for sure had curves, just a bit of extra weight, but her ass and titties, goddamn colombian/black is an awesome mix.

The downside is she had her hair and very short, bummer.

She's intelligent, very articulate and animated especially talking with hands.

Her skin's great, cute face, dsl lips - I could tell she was a bit intimidated in the beginning but we ended up having a few good laughs.

Then I bait her with movies and she brings up her favorite movie "Trainwreck" I started laughing my ass off calling it one of the worst movies ever (socially and money wise). She said it reminded her of her life.

I said "She hopped from dick to dick then found a "nice guy" aka captain save a hoe, to settle down with - I really hope that's not you" - grin-

She hamsters and says no but it's liberation to be sexually open like that - I laughed at her and say yeah....risking std's and pregnancy from ONS's - I troll her a bit more (virginity, low notch counts, knowing virgins, sluts that aren't happy) with a smile and changed the subject.

We talk about school and how an inside joke at my college was communications was the easiest major in the business school - she pauses and then tells me she's a communications major.

I couldn't help but laugh and say "well that explains everything, no wonder you're so animated with your hands" she playfully punches me. I ask her what she wants to do - of course she has no idea what she'll do when she graduates.

We bounce after 1 drink to this big ass fountain I take bitches to. We walk around - she tries to keep up with the shit talking.

We sit down at a bench. She throws in some shit tests about admitting I could be wrong, demanding the definition for a word I used. Laughed and ignored her. We even played the silent game and she lost.

I swear to god sitting on a bench in a park is the easiest way to kino and get closer to a girl. I can tell she wanted to kiss me.

Ever notice a girl keeps turning and faces you directly at very close range ? This is where you pull the trigger OR keep her guessing. (This is a very good trend on my first dates)

We sit near this fire pit and make out and I pull away, laugh, and say "I'm not used to kissing on this side, I'm better on my right" -grin- (I used this in my next date).

She laughs I have her get up and guide her hips to the other side of my body and make out again - she says "you're right, it is better" I shrug and say "told you". (compliance test)

She's gotta piss and walks to a restaurant, it's closed, I laugh my ass off.

We end up going to a second venue real quick to go to the restroom.

Bounce and we go back to the bench and make out a bit (I know I'm not getting the bang because she was all sketched because of the first venue's parking lot). Not scaring the cat.

I called it a night, made out again, slapped her ass and went home.

She sent me the goodnight text, ignored, then texted me that morning saying "hey just curious, why did you keep calling me weird" didn't respond till the evening.

Didn't reply to her question and so far she's been sending me good morning texts and instantly replies.

With a bit of work this bang is mine.


The Shortie 7.5 (maybe 8) Personal Trainer Fit White Girl, tinder match.

I was actually VERY pleased with this one even if she had a catch.

We matched, slow to reply, got her digits, had her send a selfie, she was training - her selfie was a 6.8 but I thought fuck it we'll meet.

We texted back and forth for a week, she's a smart ass like me and sarcastic, she can keep up, even better.

The catch: She has a child.

Agreed on a local area of bars (close to my work), gymed, head over, I'm chilling on a bench texting on my phone, I thought I might be getting SIF'ed in person but to my disbelief:

This well dressed, tight, fit (toned arms and legs), nice assed, bright eyed girl walks up to me. She's short on the 5' range.

The first time in awhile a woman's pictures didn't do her justice.

Needless to say it put me in a great mood and I was stoked on the night, even though it was a bit late.

I grab my usual, she grabs a beer - we sit in a corner booth by the billiards table.

I tease the fuck out of her lipstick on her teeth and keep fucking with her - we exchange stories, and backgrounds. She has a weird laugh (might of been nervous.)

Turns out she's living at her parents with her kid for now, she doesn't mention the babies daddy the entire date, probably a good sign.

I suggest another round, this time we sit in a diner like booth with her back towards the bar facing me.

She gets closer, constantly plays with her hair, her legs are pointed right at me as we're talking. Apparently she rarely drinks and she's a light weight.

I suggest chugging our drinks - and head to the center of this plaza with benches and a small fountain (see that pattern ? Bitches love this shit)

We sit on a bench, she sits close to me, we joke, she punches me a few times (another pattern, kino, close proximity)

Once again she's leaning in staring me directly in the face, she wants to be kissed, but I keep her guessing.

Finally as she's done laughing I kiss her, she immediately kisses back passionately, once again I laugh, she says "what?" I say "I'm not used to kissing on this side, I'm better on my right"

I grab her hips and move her to my right side, I grab her close and makeout, she responds in kind. I pull away and we start people watching (bitches love this shit)

I poke her a bit then manhandle her - I scoop her up, my left arm on her back, my right arm grabbing both her legs from back of her knee.

I plop her right on my lap - she squeals and gigles and we start making out. She loves that I did that, this is a power move for sure and a compliance test.

I smack her ass a bit, firm and tight, and we make out again. We both have to use the restroom so we bounce to a nearby food joint.

I scare her as she gets out of the bathroom - I tell her to drop me off at my car.

This is a great strategy to get her isolated, compliance test, maybe even a car bang, also an easier less anxiety laced makeout session with her.

Which we did, she drove me to my car, we made out, hands on neck and back of her head. I could tell she wanted more, I bounced, jokingly said next drinks on her and a seafood dinner, she replied seriously saying absolutely.

Summary:

These dates both went very well the only catch is one might be a closet feminist but man that ass and titties - just need to hit it once. The other has a kid which means she's a plate for sure after the bang.

Women will let you get away with anything if you're cocky, confident, and funny.

I think my dating guidelines and strategies are rock solid on my last 4 dates. I didn't scare the cat, but didn't get the bangs. That's okay for now.

The colombian/black girl was enthusiastic about meeting me to begin with, the young fit mom - I just need to keep her interest, I dropped bait about her coming to me next time, she said she's down.

I also had FUN, we forget about this trying to get the bang sometimes.


Some other updates:

The Armenian girl still blows up my phone, we're meeting again next week.

The black 7, is basically denying meeting up on the weekdays, I'm giving her one Friday to redeem herself.

A coffee meet bagel text went south fast, she's apparently offended by middle fingers so I nuked her and deleted her number.

I got another latin girls number to replace her on CMB.

One POF number was a dead end or fake number.

The Indian girl is on the east coast this week, back burner. "I'm not ready to meet you now, but in a few months" LOL'ed and didn't respond.

The other Indian girl hamstered about meeting me.

The other 19 year old plate (Eva Green) flaked on me last minute last night.

So I got a great head session from another 19 year old plate of mine then drove back home last night.

Now I get to spend the weekend my my LTR and close musician friends at a music festival, life is good.

(10-09-2015 11:16 AM)MrXY Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 10:38 AM)Player_1337 Wrote:  Been dealing with a lot of post-first meet flaking lately. My last string of online leads have all led nowhere (even if the physical attraction is strong and make-out occurs). I've remained mostly optimistic, but it's hard to not get bummed on occasion. I'd rather the girl reveal herself or her disinterest upfront/over the phone and not meet her, rather than waste my time over drinks and build any sense of false hope. To at least get the bang and then she ghosts is one thing... Maybe they're all sensing the player vibe and my desire to get the bang asap/not waste time. Makes me want to get back to night game. At least in that arena the results are expedited and binary.

Most girls from online who meet you are at least entertaining the idea of fucking you. She's gotten messages from probably thousands of guys over the last months, so the fact that she chose to meet you as one of the small percentage she meets is a strong IOI and you should assume that sex is on the table .

How are you handling these meetings? Are you changing venues? Escalating? Are the logistics in place to isolate her? Most times you only get one chance with an online girl so you might as push it as far as you can go. A "player vibe" is not a problem with most of these girls; the opposite is true-if you don't fuck her on the first date she will backwards rationalize that she just wasn't attracted to you, regardless of how attracted she actually was during the date.

I'm a huge proponent of pushing the envelope and going for the SNL. While it has produced great results, I've found that pushing it as far as possible has sabotaged me on several occasions recently. Guess it all comes down to calibration and reading the girl.

In terms of logistics, sometimes it hasn't been feasible to meet near my pad. What's the optimal strategy for getting back to her place- set the meet in her neighborhood or close by? This is how I've done it in the past. I've gotten so fed up lately that I've been pushing for first meets at their place.

If you get fed up and results go down it is time to take a short break or up your standards so that when you strike out it is no big deal because at least she was hot.

Going down hill and pushing on the gas is just a waste of time.

When I'm at work and see a long ass kaotic post:

(10-09-2015 01:04 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  I'm a huge proponent of pushing the envelope and going for the SNL. While it has produced great results, I've found that pushing it as far as possible has sabotaged me on several occasions recently. Guess it all comes down to calibration and reading the girl.

In terms of logistics, sometimes it hasn't been feasible to meet near my pad. What's the optimal strategy for getting back to her place- set the meet in her neighborhood or close by? This is how I've done it in the past. I've gotten so fed up lately that I've been pushing for first meets at their place.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-40601...#pid835617

(10-09-2015 02:55 PM)redbeard Wrote:  When I'm at work and see a long ass kaotic post:

Haha ! Thanks man, I like to give alot of details so other dudes can maybe use things I say or do. It also helps me think of where I made mistakes, what to correct, what I excelled in.

(10-09-2015 03:13 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 01:04 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  I'm a huge proponent of pushing the envelope and going for the SNL. While it has produced great results, I've found that pushing it as far as possible has sabotaged me on several occasions recently. Guess it all comes down to calibration and reading the girl.

In terms of logistics, sometimes it hasn't been feasible to meet near my pad. What's the optimal strategy for getting back to her place- set the meet in her neighborhood or close by? This is how I've done it in the past. I've gotten so fed up lately that I've been pushing for first meets at their place.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-40601...#pid835617

Seen and implemented those strategies. Good stuff.

Awesome report Kaotic. I actually have a few good spots for first dates. One near hotels, the other logistically sucks if I'm trying to get the bang. Its only a matter of getting them out.

I approached a short asian chick at a food truck after my workout. She was warm and welcoming but I didn't go for the number. After I suggested we grab coffee (she was on lunch break) she mentioned having to head back. I got her name and we said our goodbyes.

Going to try being more direct with future approaches. Its better making my interest known than chicks seeing you as a friendly stranger.

Strong post as always Kaotic. When I'm scrolling through the players log I can immediately identify your posts without even seeing your name just by their look and style

I've noticed that it seems like your mindset going into these first dates has shifted. You used to be all about getting the SNL and now it appears as though banging a girl on the first night is 100% off the table. Also I'm seeing that your level of gaming these girls on a date has gone up a lot...almost to the point of over gaming them and blowing them out.

You're one of the core guys on here that's helped me the most in my growth so I'm interested to find out if this is a conscious strategy change on your part or something else? I know for me when I eventually get back out there I want to move away from notches for the sake of notches and slow burn the women who I really want to develop something more than a pump and dump with.

Thanks man, appreciate the feedback.

Honestly the mindset hasn't shifted, I still want SNL's, I still go for them.

The women I'm going after has changed - they're better quality. You mentioned over-gaming them - you're right there are a few things I should probably reel back in so they want more and a 2nd date.

To be honest I DID make a vow to go after hotter (hopefully sluttier) girls. You can't have the best of both worlds sometimes.

But it's the situation with the girls:


-Indian girl, very shy, liked the bad boy vibe, wasn't taking the "check out my rifle" "favorite" movie kind of bait, didn't wanna scare the cat, barely kissed me back, conservative like. One drink, one venue, one kiss, then bounced.

-Armenian girl - shit tested me, then very into me, dropped a "I feel like I've known you forever" with a sigh. That was a possible red flag as a clinger and she didn't take my bait. 2 drinks, 3 venues, makeout, some mild bdsm (slapping).

-Colombia/Black Girl - sketched out from the start, had the feminist thing going, red flag, pulled it back, didn't take the bait, but very interested in me still. One drink, makeout, 2 venues.

-White fit girl - very into me, but it was quite bit away from home, local to work, she lives with her parents, was trying a car bang, her cars a mess. 2 drinks, 2 veneus solid makeout.

Of the last 4 dates, I could've took the Armenian girl home, but I played it cool and didn't act thirsty.

It's all good in my books, but all 4 girls were better than the last 4 I banged or went on dates with.

Birthday night

Got one on the hook, she wanted to meet around 8pm but I've been purposefully moving the time back later and later.

So far she's been cooperative even cordial about the inconvience

Not big on math but here's my equation:
11:30pm + drinks and a cozy spot - any distractions X heavy petting = ?

(10-09-2015 10:38 AM)Player_1337 Wrote:  Been dealing with a lot of post-first meet flaking lately. My last string of online leads have all led nowhere (even if the physical attraction is strong and make-out occurs). I've remained mostly optimistic, but it's hard to not get bummed on occasion. I'd rather the girl reveal herself or her disinterest upfront/over the phone and not meet her, rather than waste my time over drinks and build any sense of false hope. To at least get the bang and then she ghosts is one thing... Maybe they're all sensing the player vibe and my desire to get the bang asap/not waste time. Makes me want to get back to night game. At least in that arena the results are expedited and binary.

Another failed conquest (0 in 6) in my latest string of time-wasting online prospects. All first meets with no bangs/no future meets. Girl I was gonna meet up with last week (who had described her bedroom to me and was down for the zero-date drinks situation) seemed like more a matter of when rather than if. The stage was set for the SNL. Drinks at her place at 10 pm tonight. No luck.

We sat outside in the backyard, as her roommate and his husband were occupying the common room. Things were going well- good convo, her laughing, qualifying her, etc. She mentioned I could crash at her place and even offered to give me a massage. Escalated to a make out (from light touching throughout the night which she was cool with) but she was kind of lethargic. Bad sign. After she returned from the bathroom, the night ended in a cold awkward, rejection where she said she didn't see this "going anywhere" and needed to get to bed. I sort of shrugged, got up to leave and she walked me out. She said good night, etc. but I didn't say a word.

Guess she knew what was going down and her anti-slut defense kicked in (she was the epitome of a 6 but definitely bangable). Bet her gay roommate and his cockblocking husband got involved when she went inside to the bathroom to coax her out of it. Worst cold streak I've had in a long time. Good thing I still have my main and she's great- but I've been wanting to get some side pieces in order. As they say, nothing is truly 'in the bag' until you've penetrated her. These last few strikeouts with 0 successes in between have really shaken my faith in my game and player intuition. Think this is a sign from the universe to step away from the game for a while and recharge my batteries.

I'm having one of the best weeks of my life and I attribute it to moving to Europe (one of my best decisions). I'm a brotha from the US and I decided to move to the Netherlands to study. This was also around the time I discovered game 'optimization'. It's ironic, in another thread guys are discussing short guy game and yet I'm a 5'6 guy having a great time in the tallest country. Of course I lose out on some women due to the hamster thought process of height but due to being decent looking, muscular, intelligent and confident, I can do decently well here.

Back to my week: Last Friday I met up with my main plate (petite 19 year old Blonde Dutch girl) and knocked that down.

Then a few days later on Monday that just passed met up with my secondary plate (Brunette, blue eyed Dutch woman) and knocked that down. She is not as gorgeous as the 19 year old but still has a pretty face; I like her because she is a bit nerdy like me and closer in age (she is around 24 I believe) so we have great conversations about random shit.

Then on Wednesday had a first date with another Brunette, blue eyed Dutchie. When we first matched on Tinder she was the first one to sexualize the conversation and dropped the idea of coming to my place. So we made plans for her to come drink wine and watch a movie. At the last minute she insisted that we meet at her place instead because she doesn't normally "do this". I almost agreed until I realized that I have adopted the abundance mentality. So I told her that I am not going over to her place because it was her idea to come chill at my apartment and she will just have to buck up or we would never meet. She came to her senses and agreed to come over but kept dropping the "no expectations" line. Whatever. As soon as she came over it was clear she had no interest in the movie. We started talking about some crazy shit. I found out she was extremely freaky and was into all kinds of kinky shit. She is into the BDSM scene, which is something I haven't explored (I will have to get more info from the corresponding thread). When we compared stories, I realized that I had quite the modest sex life and I will be in for one hell of an experience if we continue further. But, we went up to my room and had sex. I must say she knew her way around, she rode like a champ. I usually have decent stamina but I'm almost ashamed to admit that within 10-15 minutes of the first round, I couldn't hold it in any longer. Second round lasted about the same time. I'm looking to schedule a second date within a week or so. I need to bring my A game, we have already discussed toys and some light bondage, which is all new territory for me.
*EDIT: I forgot to mention that she is bisexual in the truest form in that she legitimately dates both men and women and it is not just a "phase" for her.

On to a couple days ago this past Friday; I had a coffee date in between classes with a girl (whom we will call Miss Hungary) that messaged me on whatsapp. Why this story stands out? Well I had just changed my whatsapp profile photo to a really good photo I took in Budapest where I was visiting the "statue of Liberty" there which is on a hill and I had the city in the background. Shortly after I changed my photo, I received a message from an unsaved number saying that my photo "looked really good" and that she was from Budapest. Miss Hungary goes on to say that she was sorry that we missed each other last time I was in the city she was living in (15 minute train ride from me) and that she would love to try to meet again if I had time. So I suggested meeting for the coffee date which occurred on the 9th. Now the problem is that because I most likely deleted her number after she flaked, I didn't know Miss Hungary's name but we went on the coffee date anyway without me knowing her name. It went okay and we decided to meet up later this evening at a cocktail bar. I am contemplating whether I should try to find out her name on the sly (haven't figured out how yet) or just not even bother and if I get the lay tonight, I will just ask her name afterwards with a coy smile.
*EDIT 2: I forgot to mention that yesterday I met up with my main plate (19 y/o Blonde) for a nice date at an Italian cafe and brought her back to my place with a bottle of red wine. Because of my recent experience with the kinky woman, I mention to the 19 y/o about how I had never had a threesome, not really being serious about it. She also mentions that she hasn't done it as well but we don't dwell on the subject. After she left my place following some vigorous sex, she sends me a text saying that a threesome is on her bucket list and she wants to know what type of girl I would like.

I must say that I am really enjoying my stay in the Netherlands, life is really good for me here and I will live it to the fullest for the remaining two years I have left. Wish me luck tonight.

Well it's happening to my LTR, I knew it was coming:

-Her biological clock is ticking louder

To be honest the conversation started with us not being friends on FB, which I flat out told her I'd like to avoid unnecessary drama.

I knew other things were bugging her so I called her on it and told her to spill - which she did.

She's PMSing (of course) and going to be in her mid 20's in a few months and she's worried about where she is in her life right now.

She's mentioned that she'd be happy having kids and being at home with them and being a housewife cooking and cleaning. (Yeah I was kind of surprised too). She missed being domesticated, knows her cooking skills have degraded, etc.

-She's very close to her parents, especially her father, who unfortunately has a major health issue and may not be around in 5 or 7 years.

This is scary to her since she wants her father to have grand kids and her children to have at least some sort of memory of grand kids.

I can understand why she would want that.


This girl is feminine, a solid 8, currently bartends, dropped out of Junior College, lives with her parents. She's certainly no career whore. Very low notch count courtesy of a very long ex relationship.


I told her she needs to plan ahead for these things, if she wants kids, she needs to stop smoking ciggs and probably weed asap.

I think that's the biggest factor of us having children is her smoking ciggs, weed i guess is alright.


I told her about how I sure as hell wasn't ready to have kids, I don't have my own place. In general, kids are expensive, the risks of custody/divorce, the risks involved.


She understands that and vows never to be like her mother:

Her mother separated from her father for a bit and dated another man. My girl told me, "If she was anyone else but my other, I'd hate her"

This is a main reason why she's so close to her father.


My views:

Honestly, I don't anything about children, haven't been around many babies in my lifetime, I don't know what that life is about let alone marriage.

I do enjoy my life the way it is now, sometimes I think, yeah, my LTR could have my kids, but I do have my worries. (We did have an abortion)

She's a very good woman, absolutely adores me, extremely loyal, and is somewhat territorial of me. Of course she's a latin woman, very passionate/emotional, and of course that fiestyness they have.


What I'm struggling with:


-Assessing our relationship and figuring out if we should continue.
-If i'm ready to have kids in a few years. (I'm almost 30)
-If i'm more built for the solo playboy life.


I could use some experience players advice on this - especially players turned fathers, or players who came to this fork in the road and what they decided to do.

We don't have to do it on the thread if you don't want to, PM's are always welcomed.