Post: #26

(09-25-2015 11:02 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  I watched most of it because I was bored. I didn't hear her call the chick a 9. When did he say that?

Do you guys follow this Stefan guy? Seems a strange character himself.

I've watched a few of his videos, he's long-winded and has an annoying sense of humor, but his videos on economics are good. I found this video posted on another website.

I thought the second half was a good example of how to destroy someone's rationalizations, the cuck kept bringing up ridiculous what-if scenarios where everything worked out("what if the guy fucking my wife is my best friend? what if he's great with the kids?") and Stefan kept bringing him back to reality.

Post: #27

(09-25-2015 10:54 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:  Matt isn't a seven; he's a three or four. (His face is fine, but his body language, voice, and lack of muscularity diminishes him. With time and effort, he can make himself into a seven.) Kristina isn't a nine; she's a five, six, or seven. (She's small, not fat, looks okay in a dress, but doesn't smile brightly. If she's hyper-smart and you think women should be smart, she becomes quite attractive compared to other hyper-smart women, but she isn't a nine.

MMX2010 showed me the pics.

Matt is definitely a 3-4, if removed a few things, lifted, he could improve this drastically.

Kristina is NOT a 9, she's definitely a 5 or 6. Surprisingly she's skinny, but she just had a cuntish look to her face. MMX2010 is also right, she doesn't seem happy or positive (perhaps mental disorders ?).

She doesn't dress well and looks....well plain boring.

I now question Stefan's views, especially after he called her a 9. Granted he does have some great points. But the fact he rejects game and banned an RVF member raises my eyebrows.

His wife didn't age well either.

Post: #28

Quote:Matt: Your relationship with your partner is much much more than just sex...

Quote:Matt: I don't think it is fair to equate non-monogamy with a lack of commitment. You can still be committed to someone...you can be committed to multiple people.

Quote:Stefan: So your thought is that you'd like to be with Matthew but have the option to be with other men...?
Christina: Right, yes. Why does being in one committed relationship need to restrict me from other relationships?

(A few minutes later)
Matt: Well, I atually don't want to have sex with anyone else...

Quote:Matt: I wouldn't necessarily say that all pair bonds have to be sexual...you can have social pair bonds
...

Quote:Stefan: So you, let's say, you're married to or commited to Christina and she's been with you for ten years and you have children together. Then she says she's met a guy online and she's gonna go out with him. How would you feel?
Matt: That would seem pretty premature to me. I would feel anxiety and uneasiness, I'd want to know why she's doing that...
Stefan: It would not be something you would welcome, right?
Matt: Well, if we...
Stefan: Cmon, man, man to man here. The woman you love, mother of your children, says she'd like to go ride some other dude. What are your thoughts? 'Oh I can't wait, yay'? I mean, seriously.
Matt: I mean the sex part doesn't make me feel good but if its for the sake of my children...
Stefan: Wut
Matt: I think children are everything and-
Stefan: But what does Christina going out to bang other dudes have to do with your kids?
Matt: Because he could be a second dad

Post: #29

(09-25-2015 01:17 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 11:02 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  I watched most of it because I was bored. I didn't hear her call the chick a 9. When did he say that?

Do you guys follow this Stefan guy? Seems a strange character himself.

I've watched a few of his videos, he's long-winded and has an annoying sense of humor, but his videos on economics are good. I found this video posted on another website.

I thought the second half was a good example of how to destroy someone's rationalizations, the cuck kept bringing up ridiculous what-if scenarios where everything worked out("what if the guy fucking my wife is my best friend? what if he's great with the kids?") and Stefan kept bringing him back to reality.

I googled him and apparently he is a cult leader and runs Free Domain Radio





Cult leader game recognized? I don't know so much about that, but at least he speaks badly about feminists

Post: #30

Never heard of him

Post: #31

He should have just said, "Christina, you're not worth two men." And left it at that.

Post: #32

That voice. Every girl I've known that has that cadence and pitch is a slut dating a man who believes some bullshit like happy wife happy life.

Post: #33

This girl is such a huge whore. He should bring all his friends over and fuck her silly. Then snap pics for posterity.

Post: #34

(09-25-2015 10:41 PM)rpg Wrote:  This girl is such a huge whore. He should bring all his friends over and fuck her silly. Then snap pics for posterity.

While that is happening he should move all his shit out. What an idiot.

Someone mentioned peaceful parenting. just curious if you could elaborate. Thanks.

Post: #35

(09-25-2015 11:02 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  I watched most of it because I was bored. I didn't hear her call the chick a 9. When did he say that?

1:21:50 to 1:21:58 he flat out says that matt is agreeing to be a cuck because he is trying to make up being a 7 to her 9 in terms of physical looks on a scale of 1 to 10.

Post: #36

(09-25-2015 09:59 PM)TornadoByProxy Wrote:  He should have just said, "Christina, you're not worth two men." And left it at that.

You know that, as do I but as these type of women's worth is hyper-inflated, she could have a second or third man within the month.

Post: #37

Rarely have I been on the same as stefan molyneux but on this particular video he's spot on and handled it very well.

What baffles me the most is how can this matt be so, spineless? Not even sure that's the right word. What's up with this new cuck phenomenom? Is it social conditioning?

Post: #38

Those reactions on Stefan's face would make some amazing reaction gifs.

Especially that first one at 17 seconds in.

Post: #39

(09-26-2015 10:07 AM)Devil Hanzō Wrote:  Rarely have I been on the same as stefan molyneux but on this particular video he's spot on and handled it very well.

What baffles me the most is how can this matt be so, spineless? Not even sure that's the right word. What's up with this new cuck phenomenom? Is it social conditioning?

This is what cuckoldry traditionally was. It is not when a man is cheated on and who either leaves his wife or forgives her, it is his acceptance of his wife's 'lifestyle', the financial support of it and his rationalising of it from a position of perceived weakness.

It is going to get more and more common with women's SMVs being further inflated.

Post: #40

(09-26-2015 11:47 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 10:07 AM)Devil Hanzō Wrote:  Rarely have I been on the same as stefan molyneux but on this particular video he's spot on and handled it very well.

What baffles me the most is how can this matt be so, spineless? Not even sure that's the right word. What's up with this new cuck phenomenom? Is it social conditioning?

This is what cuckoldry traditionally was. It is not when a man is cheated on and who either leaves his wife or forgives her, it is his acceptance of his wife's 'lifestyle', the financial support of it and his rationalising of it from a position of perceived weakness.

It is going to get more and more common with women's SMVs being further inflated.

Why is becoming so prevalent?

Cuckoldy historically was done on the down low, without the man ever findnig out, or at least he wasnt supposed to. And when he did the repercussions would have been dire.

I feel that porn has something to do with it, but I have nothing to offer as proof.

I agree with your last statement though. What a crazy time to live in...

Post: #41

(09-26-2015 11:57 AM)Devil Hanzō Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:47 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 10:07 AM)Devil Hanzō Wrote:  Rarely have I been on the same as stefan molyneux but on this particular video he's spot on and handled it very well.

What baffles me the most is how can this matt be so, spineless? Not even sure that's the right word. What's up with this new cuck phenomenom? Is it social conditioning?

This is what cuckoldry traditionally was. It is not when a man is cheated on and who either leaves his wife or forgives her, it is his acceptance of his wife's 'lifestyle', the financial support of it and his rationalising of it from a position of perceived weakness.

It is going to get more and more common with women's SMVs being further inflated.

Why is becoming so prevalent?

Cuckoldy historically was done on the down low, without the man ever findnig out, or at least he wasnt supposed to. And when he did the repercussions would have been dire.

I feel that porn has something to do with it, but I have nothing to offer as proof.

I agree with your last statement though. What a crazy time to live in...

There is no social or financial discouragement against hypergamy anymore. No hostility towards a woman who breaks her oaths. Nor is there the worry that a woman under 40 is going to be single or without sex for long either.

Many men feel that they are walking on eggshells in their marriages because of no fault divorce causing women to initiate proceedings to financially gain from monkey branching. Not only will they suspect that they'd be worse off and without access to children after a divorce, they also know that it is harder for them to get a new partner than it is for their wives.

They will be tempted to consent or acquiesce 'for the children's' sake or any other hamster rationalisation.

Post: #42

(09-26-2015 12:12 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:57 AM)Devil Hanzō Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:47 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 10:07 AM)Devil Hanzō Wrote:  Rarely have I been on the same as stefan molyneux but on this particular video he's spot on and handled it very well.

What baffles me the most is how can this matt be so, spineless? Not even sure that's the right word. What's up with this new cuck phenomenom? Is it social conditioning?

This is what cuckoldry traditionally was. It is not when a man is cheated on and who either leaves his wife or forgives her, it is his acceptance of his wife's 'lifestyle', the financial support of it and his rationalising of it from a position of perceived weakness.

It is going to get more and more common with women's SMVs being further inflated.

Why is becoming so prevalent?

Cuckoldy historically was done on the down low, without the man ever findnig out, or at least he wasnt supposed to. And when he did the repercussions would have been dire.

I feel that porn has something to do with it, but I have nothing to offer as proof.

I agree with your last statement though. What a crazy time to live in...

There is no social or financial discouragement against hypergamy anymore. No hostility towards a woman who breaks her oaths. Nor is there the worry that a woman under 40 is going to be single or without sex for long either.

Many men feel that they are walking on eggshells in their marriages because of no fault divorce causing women to initiate proceedings to financially gain from monkey branching. Not only will they suspect that they'd be worse off and without access to children after a divorce, they also know that it is harder for them to get a new partner than it is for their wives.

They will be tempted to consent or acquiesce 'for the children's' sake or any other hamster rationalisation.

I agree with you 100% but there must be something else that made it explode recently (and of course its being pushed by the media as well). I meditated a bit on the porn comment I made, hear me out.

If a whole generation of people grew up masturbating to porn constantly, doesnt that condition people to basically watch someone else fuck a girl they would want to fuck instead?

Imagine you repeat this scenario several thousand times during adolescence, it makes sense to me that it would make men more accepting of cuckoldry.

Post: #43

(09-26-2015 01:08 PM)Devil Hanzō Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 12:12 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:57 AM)Devil Hanzō Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:47 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 10:07 AM)Devil Hanzō Wrote:  Rarely have I been on the same as stefan molyneux but on this particular video he's spot on and handled it very well.

What baffles me the most is how can this matt be so, spineless? Not even sure that's the right word. What's up with this new cuck phenomenom? Is it social conditioning?

This is what cuckoldry traditionally was. It is not when a man is cheated on and who either leaves his wife or forgives her, it is his acceptance of his wife's 'lifestyle', the financial support of it and his rationalising of it from a position of perceived weakness.

It is going to get more and more common with women's SMVs being further inflated.

Why is becoming so prevalent?

Cuckoldy historically was done on the down low, without the man ever findnig out, or at least he wasnt supposed to. And when he did the repercussions would have been dire.

I feel that porn has something to do with it, but I have nothing to offer as proof.

I agree with your last statement though. What a crazy time to live in...

There is no social or financial discouragement against hypergamy anymore. No hostility towards a woman who breaks her oaths. Nor is there the worry that a woman under 40 is going to be single or without sex for long either.

Many men feel that they are walking on eggshells in their marriages because of no fault divorce causing women to initiate proceedings to financially gain from monkey branching. Not only will they suspect that they'd be worse off and without access to children after a divorce, they also know that it is harder for them to get a new partner than it is for their wives.

They will be tempted to consent or acquiesce 'for the children's' sake or any other hamster rationalisation.

I agree with you 100% but there must be something else that made it explode recently (and of course its being pushed by the media as well). I meditated a bit on the porn comment I made, hear me out.

If a whole generation of people grew up masturbating to porn constantly, doesnt that condition people to basically watch someone else fuck a girl they would want to fuck instead?

Imagine you repeat this scenario several thousand times during adolescence, it makes sense to me that it would make men more accepting of cuckoldry.

I've thought the same thing. In fact, this generation is the first to get exposed to this sort of thing on the grand scale that we have it on now, and with the same level of depravity. (Not saying it's not fun, but it definitely changes opinions and attitudes.)

Post: #44

@samsamsam: I will elaborate on peaceful parenting later. Stefan is a complicated person with strange positions, and some research is required.

To everyone else, I can confirm that the photos I have of Kristina are indeed Kristina.

Post: #45

(09-26-2015 01:12 PM)aphelion Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 01:08 PM)Devil Hanzō Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 12:12 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:57 AM)Devil Hanzō Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:47 AM)N°6 Wrote:  This is what cuckoldry traditionally was. It is not when a man is cheated on and who either leaves his wife or forgives her, it is his acceptance of his wife's 'lifestyle', the financial support of it and his rationalising of it from a position of perceived weakness.

It is going to get more and more common with women's SMVs being further inflated.

Why is becoming so prevalent?

Cuckoldy historically was done on the down low, without the man ever findnig out, or at least he wasnt supposed to. And when he did the repercussions would have been dire.

I feel that porn has something to do with it, but I have nothing to offer as proof.

I agree with your last statement though. What a crazy time to live in...

There is no social or financial discouragement against hypergamy anymore. No hostility towards a woman who breaks her oaths. Nor is there the worry that a woman under 40 is going to be single or without sex for long either.

Many men feel that they are walking on eggshells in their marriages because of no fault divorce causing women to initiate proceedings to financially gain from monkey branching. Not only will they suspect that they'd be worse off and without access to children after a divorce, they also know that it is harder for them to get a new partner than it is for their wives.

They will be tempted to consent or acquiesce 'for the children's' sake or any other hamster rationalisation.

I agree with you 100% but there must be something else that made it explode recently (and of course its being pushed by the media as well). I meditated a bit on the porn comment I made, hear me out.

If a whole generation of people grew up masturbating to porn constantly, doesnt that condition people to basically watch someone else fuck a girl they would want to fuck instead?

Imagine you repeat this scenario several thousand times during adolescence, it makes sense to me that it would make men more accepting of cuckoldry.

I've thought the same thing. In fact, this generation is the first to get exposed to this sort of thing on the grand scale that we have it on now, and with the same level of depravity. (Not saying it's not fun, but it definitely changes opinions and attitudes.)

Combine that paradigm shift on a grand scale with the popular theatrical themes in pornography, being fed into young skulls full of mush, and the west has essentially created a beta factory over the last 20 years.

In the 90's BDSM became more mainstream, especially the scenario/narrative that all men(especially powerful men) liked to be forcefully dominated by a woman(liberated girl power feminist), tied up, and do whatever it is they do. Not one powerful/wealthy man I have ever met would ever give even one inclination they were into this, even when out partying with women. I would venture to guess in reality this repulses most men, as it does me. But the porno click bait narrative we were sold into, largely created by feminists, was that all men want to regularly visit and be humiliated by a dominatrix.

Scale this by millions of young men who have bought into this click bait as their sexual reality, and all I see now is a massive opportunity for you younger guys in the arena of life. Not only will you have higher quality relationships and get better women, but you will out earn, out produce and overall leap frog poor old Matt. See this as much as an economic opportunity than anything else, there are millions upon millions of Matt's in this country today with no clue otherwise.

Post: #46

(09-25-2015 11:11 AM)Soma Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 11:02 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Do you guys follow this Stefan guy? Seems a strange character himself.

I've tried watching a few of his videos before but he is just so long-winded and a little pretentious that it's hard to take. Spends 30-90 minutes to express 2-3 points. Ain't nobody got time for that.

I'm of the same mind. This doesn't resonate with us because we're rational adults - we want to see the argument and breakdown without having our time wasted.

The way we would talk to each other on this forum doesn't work when Molyneux is inviting all comers, and has to face all manner of vile trash from socialists to this couple. He's more conducting a deep-conversion therapy session.

It's terrible viewing to us because we're not in Mathew's situation - but in his shoes the five bullet point presentation wouldn't have been enough. Molyneux had to patiently work him, set up what would have been bombshells dropping, and verbally shake him up, and it took an hour and a half to somewhat get through to him. He's perfected his conversational technique, but it's not for the young unruly guy. It's only for patient men to employ (the sheer number of retarded hypothetical questions the guy asked), and it's necessary to answer these cries for help.

Post: #47

I wonder if they were trolling him for an hour and a half? Especially from Matt.

Post: #48

(09-29-2015 04:16 PM)PolymathGuru Wrote:  I wonder if they were trolling him for an hour and a half? Especially from Matt.

I don't know Matt personally, but I was involved in FDR long enough to get a sense of who he is. Zero chance Matt is trolling. Absolutely zero chance.

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On September 27th, Matt posted, "I want to give you all an update, which is that Kristina and I have broken up. I won't get in to many details, except to say that the call opened up a lot more problems that should have been evident to me from the very beginning.

Thank you to those friends who sent me their words of support and, of course, thanks to Stef for giving me the tough love I needed to hear."

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But on September 28th, Matt posted, "Kristina and I have worked things out and are back together. She apologized to me and agreed to be exclusive as long as I'm not comfortable with her having sex outside of our relationship. We plan on going to couples therapy together.

Most of the comments on this thread have been heartfelt in this time of difficulty for us--so thank you. I'd like to say a word to those who had a strong negative reaction to the call. If you knew Kristina you would think it ridiculous that all she cares about is sex and money. I'll admit, we both have trauma to deal with and that could be a whole show in itself... but I have no doubt this one is a NAWALT, aka: Not All Women Are Like That. I knew that from day one even though I failed to articulate it during the call with Stef.

If you still think she is a gold-digging whore and I, thereby, a mangina-sniffing doormat, you can go fuck yourself. You certainly won't be getting any of my woman."

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This website was published to promote an FDR Meet-Up Group. While none of the people depicted are Matt, I promise you that the photos depict what "A Typical FDR Listener" looks like.

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samsamsam, I'll expand upon Peaceful Parenting some time later.

There's a difference between Peaceful Parenting as everyone sees it (and expects it to be) AND Peaceful Parenting as Stefan promotes it. So I need to carefully research these differences.

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(09-25-2015 01:21 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I now question Stefan's views, especially after he called her a 9. Granted he does have some great points. But the fact he rejects game and banned an RVF member raises my eyebrows.

To be fair, Stefan didn't ban me. His assistant Michael Demarco banned me after I received numerous complaints (downvotes) for being against therapy and pro pick-up artistry / Game / self-improvement. Stefan hasn't visited his message board in over a year, and so may be ignorant about my banning.

Also, to be fair, I included some minor trolling elements in some of my posts - but I wasn't trolling nearly as hard as I could have.

BUT, in my defense: (1) There are many former FDR members who insist that FDR is a "closed, cult-like environment" where dissenters are rapidly identified and banned AND (2) It is very difficult, during a call-in show, for anyone to get their anti-FDR point in. One of my friends was repeatedly interrupted and peppered with irrelevant questions, (to the point where some members whom I Skype with declared that they "had lost all respect for Stefan after that". (3) There are also former FDR members who insist that FDR is a cult.

Overall, I do think that FDR is cult-like - but not a cult. And I do insist that the overwhelming majority of its members are frightfully non-masculine, yet want women to love them. In fact, I looked at their photos while lurking on this board - and the photos were my final impetus away from FDR and towards RVF.

Post: #49

While I think Stefen Molyneux is quite intelligent, I find his sense of humour really try-hard.

There seems to have been an explosion in the interest of "poly" or "open" relationships over the past year or so. First there was that "Michael Sonmore" guy and now this "Matt" guy.

I think this is just a reflection on the situation of the sexual marketplace in the West nowadays. Notice that it is virtually always the woman who suggests to her boyfriend that they should have a "poly" or "open" relationship.

We have reached a point now where women feel that their value in the sexual marketplace is just so high, that they can get away with openly fucking and having relationships with multiple men. Why have only one male bird bringing her worms, when she could have 4 or 5 male birds bringing her worms?

Post: #50

(09-30-2015 12:50 AM)Biologist Wrote:  While I think Stefen Molyneux is quite intelligent, I find his sense of humour really try-hard.

I agree, some of his videos are very educational but I cringe when he starts trying to be funny in the middle of them.

He's also too long winded. Most of his 90 minute videos could have been done in 30.