It's not going to get done so quickly.

For many, this is the first time that they're even realizing that there's a problem. Probably most of us didn't realize it, or its severity, until the past couple of years. There is going to be a lag. In this regard, this "migrant crisis" is an opportunity.

I do agree though that somehow, someway, the people pushing this, from the top on down, need to face consequences for their actions, and I don't think "voting them out" is going to be enough.

(09-25-2015 08:34 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:09 PM)Grodin Wrote:  I've been reading about the migrant issue on a gaming forum that has a large number of European posters. Most of them, including the Germans, seem to be very upset with the German leaders. For what that's worth

I'm sure that's the case. What I'm saying is that posting on forums - and I'm including myself here - doesn't get anything done. There needs to be action in the streets. People need to be quitting their jobs and plotting in coffee shops like the 20th century revolutionaries who were eventually successful (both communist and fascist).

While I'm not endorsing violence, the indication of a genuine passion that brings change is when numbers of people are out on the streets willing to be arrested.

I don't see it happening as we are too soft and passive, and the frog is being boiled just at that right rate so as not to jump out.

Things will have to become much worse for people taking to the streets to protest against this in masses. Even if people disagree with whats happening the first-hand consequences, like stripping the welfare, cutting salaries and jobs, maybe a few bombs blowing up etc. That is when the shit gets real to people.

On top of that the PC-media needs to come down hard. The most likely way is to find alternative news-sources that uncover the bullshit (I see some of them grow day by day) Wake up the people still "on the fence", and more important make mainstream media get it where it hurts most...loss of profit.

Until that time, we are all keyboard-warriors waiting for things to get a lot worse. Me included.

(09-25-2015 07:38 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 06:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 06:33 PM)iop890 Wrote:  German woman threatened with eviction to make way for refugees

Quote:Bettina Halbey, a 51-year-old nurse, has lived alone in her flat in the small western German town of Nieheim since her children grew up.

On September 1, she received a letter from her landlord, the local municipality, telling her the building was being turned into a refugee shelter and she had until next May to leave.

Although the building belongs to the local municipality, it is not social housing and Ms Halbey pays the full market rent.

But Rainer Vidal, the mayor of Nieheim, said the building was needed to house refugees because the town’s existing three shelters were full. “A new residential unit for 30 refugees in Nieheim would cost €30,000 (£22,000). This solution will cost me nothing,” he told Welt.

What is amazing is how regular Germans are just rolling over for this. The reason this is happening in Europe and not America is strictly because Americans are armed, by the way. America can only be killed over a long period of time with regular illegal immigration, Europe can just get the ramrod approach and Europeans are completely unable to stop their government.

On a local level, what is needed is a few hundred people having a sit-in at the mayor's office, obstructing the mayor's ability to do work, or the garbage collectors refusing to collect garbage, etc. Why do they not do this in support of their fellow Germans? Where is the rage?

Then again, where was the rage when 1400 girls were raped in Rotherham? I think there is nothing that will stop Western society committing suicide by passivity, low testosterone and readily available fast food, porn and video games.

Many were extremely enraged by Rotherham. The problem is that showing your outrage in public makes you a racist or islamophobe. People have their careers to worry about, not to mention the native-hating police force. In Germany the PC police is even stronger. Simply appearing anti-foreigner makes you a social outcast.

Is there anything that guys like ourselves can actually do to stop the migration?
Do we just have to sit and hope there is a strong right wing dude who's suddenly going to pop out of nowhere and send them back amidst mobs of leftists calling for his head. It feels a bit helpless.

(09-26-2015 12:53 AM)369eyedea Wrote:  Is there anything that guys like ourselves can actually do to stop the migration?
Do we just have to sit and hope there is a strong right wing dude who's suddenly going to pop out of nowhere and send them back amidst mobs of leftists calling for his head. It feels a bit helpless.

I hope a Neomasculine thread which considers the dire geopolitical situation facing Western men of European blood can naturally follow this thread.

This thread has been well moderated and contributed to as it covers the salient points without getting into petty-nationalism and mindless hate against groups which have been groomed and cultivated during the multicultural experiment.

Where does the managed take down of Europe leave us? I think deep down people are waiting for a strong leader or a mass-waking up.

There will not be a mass-waking up - especially with the power of the media. Everything from soap-operas and women's magazines which have altered how women look at the world to formal, 'quality' news media is against us. Those who claim to represent us democratically have betrayed us. This is more galling than the hordes of marauding invaders seeking 'soulmates'.

Late 19th Century French intellectuals concluded that Marx's declared inevitability of the working class 'waking up' to break the chains of capitalism would never happen. They found that Pareto's 20% rule is the only way any revolution can occur. What I am saying is that there will not be one leader but a leadership caste of 20% which can train itself to be strong enough to not care about receiving the psycho-linguistic name calling that puts fear in to cuckservatives.

A man who refuses his wife's desires of playing the harlot or polyamory is by definition, 'intolerant'.

The question is: Is there scope within neomasculinity to raise up this 20%?

If not, we are doomed to keep posting negative articles in the vain hope that they will help to cause enough frustration and dismay to bring about a mass awakening or a strong solitary leader.

I'm not sure where the cynicism is coming from.

Not even Germans are in favor of this any longer: http://news.yahoo.com/half-germans-worri...iness.html

And Germany is less diverse than France, Sweden, or the UK. None of the people in those countries are pleased with this either. Not even Sweden as the rise of SD has shown.

I definitely see parallels to The Camp of the Saints but one difference is that the people are not as mollified as they were in that story.

Read the comments for what I am talking about:

I work for a German company and am often working along side German colleagues here in Poland.

The other day one was telling me that the government is taking people investment properties or second houses off them. So they can give it to these "refugees".

I would rather burn it to the ground and collect the insurance money!

(09-26-2015 12:53 AM)369eyedea Wrote:  Is there anything that guys like ourselves can actually do to stop the migration?
Do we just have to sit and hope there is a strong right wing dude who's suddenly going to pop out of nowhere and send them back amidst mobs of leftists calling for his head. It feels a bit helpless.

(09-25-2015 11:18 PM)Frekkesen Wrote:  On top of that the PC-media needs to come down hard. The most likely way is to find alternative news-sources that uncover the bullshit (I see some of them grow day by day) Wake up the people still "on the fence", and more important make mainstream media get it where it hurts most...loss of profit.

Something that I do is: ridicule people when they buy or read one of the big newspaper magazines. When I was on the train recently walking through the aisle, there was a 20-something guy sitting there reading the german left-wing magazine "Der Spiegel". I stopped before passing him, leaned on the seat in front of him and fake-complimented him on being such a good "Bildungsbürger" (a german idiom for "intellectual bourgeoisie"), being so well-behaved, sitting there reading his "Staatspropaganda" (state propaganda), and telling him to be a good boy and go on like this.

He didn't answer and tried to avoid looking at me by keeping on staring into the magazine, but I could tell he was confused and anxious. I went on my way.

Ridicule like this is incredibly hard to counter for the liberal SJW crowd, since these big MSM magazines get attacked by the right AND the left. Since most of the SJWs' argumentation line centers around sneering at who you are (right-leaning, conservative etc.) and being on the offense, they have a very hard time when they don't know where you stand and when they are on the defense.

I did the same in a supermarket checkout line last week, when someone had the "Stern" among his groceries. He also just avoided looking and after paying left silently and in a hurry without trying to engage me.

I also make it a point to talk loud enough that other people hear it - it gives my target the impression that I'm sure the majority of people are on my side. And there really is no chance that they will jump to the MSM readers defense, they're caught by surprise as well and I guess the bystander effect plays a big role too. But I'm sure they learn that being seen with MSM is becoming a source of ridicule.

(09-25-2015 08:34 PM)RawGod Wrote:  I'm sure that's the case. What I'm saying is that posting on forums - and I'm including myself here - doesn't get anything done. There needs to be action in the streets. People need to be quitting their jobs and plotting in coffee shops like the 20th century revolutionaries who were eventually successful (both communist and fascist).

First of all their "revolutions" were anything but beneficial to the average Joe despite the propaganda.

Second both communists as well as fascists had massive financial support by the money elite. Antony Sutton and Carroll Quigley showed it in their books beyond a shadow of a doubt that both movements were elite-backed - communism of course more than fascism. Fascism was just a set-up like Al-Quaeda created to wreak havoc and then be wiped out at a later time.

Still - those revolutionaries would not have attained much without that support.

This time it would have to be a grassroots uprising and there were very few of those actually - not even the French revolution was one since the bankers financed it to get rid of the ruling aristocracy in France.

In our times there is also the problem of not being able to focus on a single enemy. A politician can step down or a party lose power. Vote in the other scumbags? You don't even know who the real enemy is and what to do about it. You certainly cannot physically obstruct the refugees on your own or incite violence, because two evils don't make one right.

At best people will be voting far right much faster than foreseen by the elite and that is what I would recommend Europeans that they do. Let them call you racists - I have been called a racist on this forum even and I don't give a shit about it, because I know that I am not and am not concerned with the crazy ideas you have about me due to your brainwashing.

So yes - large demonstrations might strike a cord in the politicians, but personally I doubt it. The elite is always paranoid of the masses rising up and the masses never do. Frankly the demonstrations have to be equally peaceful as well as threatening. They should do it like the people of Iceland who refused to pay back the billions that a few bankers caused:



March down with torches towards the parliament and maybe even towards their personal business apartments in the city to make the point clear. That is the only message those buggers understand and fear.

And even that won't stop things - it will just slow their plans.

^^ Genius idea. I've pointed out several times on Facebook how the Guardian is a pile of a shit and got a lot of people agreeing with me.

However this is a much better idea and I'm going to try it.
I'm going to ridicule anyone who reads or brings up 'facts' from the Ministry of Propaganda aka the BBC, Guardian etc. "Oh you still listen to/read/watch that? Wow. OK." It works because you automatically have a stronger frame than a mangina, and mangina's need to follow what others tell them.

(09-26-2015 02:57 AM)spalex Wrote:  I work for a German company and am often working along side German colleagues here in Poland.

The other day one was telling me that the government is taking people investment properties or second houses off them. So they can give it to these "refugees".

I would rather burn it to the ground and collect the insurance money!

Is there any evidence that the German government is seizing people's property e.g. copies of letters from the government notifying people that their property is going to be taken?

I cannot imagine how the German government could have the audacity to do just take property from the citizens, especially if they're just going to be handing this property to illegal migrants. Is the government going to reimburse people for taking/using their property?

If I recall correctly, when the Chinese government was building new highways across the country during their massive economic boom, even they bought the ramshackle houses from the villagers to make room for the new roads.

(09-26-2015 04:04 AM)Biologist Wrote:  Is there any evidence that the German government is seizing people's property e.g. copies of letters from the government notifying people that their property is going to be taken?

I cannot imagine how the German government could have the audacity to do just take property from the citizens, especially if they're just going to be handing this property to illegal migrants. Is the government going to reimburse people for taking/using their property?

If I recall correctly, when the Chinese government was building new highways across the country during their massive economic boom, even they bought the ramshackle houses from the villagers to make room for the new roads.

Currently they are not actually taking it away from people except for government owned property that was rented out to German poor and now is going to be used for immigrants.

The rest of the properties are going to be more like a forced occupation for which there is a reimbursement for every refugee. So actually this may not even be such a bad deal for the rental owners (something like 20-25 EUR/DAY/MIGRANT) and he could say to the other people living in the house that his hands are tied and that he has to house 10 migrants per flat right next to the corporate lawyer in his luxury pad.

So essentially in most cases only the poor are going to be worse off after this. The wealthy will get rental money that is taken out of taxes and debts that again the bottom 90% have to pay back. It's actually a good message for anyone owning significant rental property in Germany.

While walls and fences definitely help and should be built, the only method of stopping the flow of migrants is to turn off the benefits spigot and harshly enforce adherence to local laws. No welfare at all for years for any newcomers. Caught stealing, vandalising or dealing drugs? Deported. Not learning the language in a set amount of time? Deported. Insulting your host country or participating in anti-national demonstrations? Deported. Etc etc.

Tens of millions of people around the world were unhappy in their countries and yearning to come to Europe for a decade now, but not so many actually came. They only started moving en masse once Angela Merkel promised them goodies and it became obvious that there would be no repercussions.

A request from Henrik Palmgren:

Speak out
We are looking for Europeans of different nationalities that can speak about the refugee invasion in your country and how this REALLY is affecting you. Are you in Hungary, Greece, Germany, France, Italy, Austria or another country being heavily invaded? Please reach out: [email protected] or @rediceradio We want to speak with you!

(09-26-2015 04:40 AM)N°6 Wrote:  A request from Henrik Palmgren:

Speak out
We are looking for Europeans of different nationalities that can speak about the refugee invasion in your country and how this REALLY is affecting you. Are you in Hungary, Greece, Germany, France, Italy, Austria or another country being heavily invaded? Please reach out: [email protected] or @rediceradio We want to speak with you!

Can someone link him my RoK article...? Or is he looking for personal encounters with migrants?

New article by the Dailymail - getting ever more closer to the truth and of course the comment section is utterly on our side:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...nging.html





The crazy welcome groups are getting smaller, but you have to acknowledge the organizational perfection in Germany - cordoned off arrival areas, welcoming idiots, police support, buses waiting for them to transport the ungrateful ones directly to their sleeping quarters. Hardly any other country would have been able to pull it off for millions.

Quote:"This situation is opportune for those men who already regard women as their inferiors and treat unaccompanied women as “fair game”.
Letter written by social workers and women's groups in the Giessen camp

No shit - who would have thought?

Quote:"They have their own culture. Because our school is directly next to where they are staying, modest clothing should be warn
Letter to parents from Pocking grammar school

That won't be enough - I would recommend girls to be always escorted by a group of armed boys - best some who already lift.

Quote:"These Muslim teenage boys come from a culture where for women it is frowned upon to show naked skin."
Unnamed local politician

They are told much more than that - a lot worse. Never mind the high number of rapes on young boys which is prevalent in some countries - countries like:

Quote:"When I lost my job, I set out with six friends. There is every nation in the camp — a lot from Pakistan, like me. I chose Germany because they want us here."
Ali, from Pakistan

Indeed - lost your job, simply come to Germany. 2 billion people would love to do the same - come all - you are all welcome. But of course that won't concern Merkel who will move to the Hamptons permanently in 2 years and watch the chaos unfold from afar.

Here some propaganda by the CBS:

(09-26-2015 12:44 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 07:38 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 06:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 06:33 PM)iop890 Wrote:  German woman threatened with eviction to make way for refugees

Quote:Bettina Halbey, a 51-year-old nurse, has lived alone in her flat in the small western German town of Nieheim since her children grew up.

On September 1, she received a letter from her landlord, the local municipality, telling her the building was being turned into a refugee shelter and she had until next May to leave.

Although the building belongs to the local municipality, it is not social housing and Ms Halbey pays the full market rent.

But Rainer Vidal, the mayor of Nieheim, said the building was needed to house refugees because the town’s existing three shelters were full. “A new residential unit for 30 refugees in Nieheim would cost €30,000 (£22,000). This solution will cost me nothing,” he told Welt.

What is amazing is how regular Germans are just rolling over for this. The reason this is happening in Europe and not America is strictly because Americans are armed, by the way. America can only be killed over a long period of time with regular illegal immigration, Europe can just get the ramrod approach and Europeans are completely unable to stop their government.

On a local level, what is needed is a few hundred people having a sit-in at the mayor's office, obstructing the mayor's ability to do work, or the garbage collectors refusing to collect garbage, etc. Why do they not do this in support of their fellow Germans? Where is the rage?

Then again, where was the rage when 1400 girls were raped in Rotherham? I think there is nothing that will stop Western society committing suicide by passivity, low testosterone and readily available fast food, porn and video games.

Many were extremely enraged by Rotherham. The problem is that showing your outrage in public makes you a racist or islamophobe. People have their careers to worry about, not to mention the native-hating police force. In Germany the PC police is even stronger. Simply appearing anti-foreigner makes you a social outcast.

So enraged that they voted the Labour MP and Labour Council who presided over the situation, who fostered this environment, back into office with an increased majority.

I try to maintain hope, I try to believe that this can be won. But when things like that happen, it is hard to ignore the pervading, all conquering apathy of 'most people'. This is personally why I don't subscribe to the overarching global elite master plan theories. I know there are a very powerful, rich, influential group of people who hold disproportionate sway over the direction of public policy and who have their own agendas that are contrary to the rest of us. However, the greatest barrier to be overcome, which in my view is insurmountable now, is the overwhelming number of stupid and apathetic people.

In times past, when there were a fraction of the number of people on Earth, a smart, motivated, talented few could get things done, because there were far fewer to convince, and the sum of apathy was tiny compared to now.

After having had a defeatist attitude for the last few weeks, I slowly start having some perspective again. Who knows what the future will bring. It’s going to be ugly without question, but we might be able to make something better out of it for the future. Maybe the masses have to experience the full impact of open-border-tolerance-left-wing-liberal-progressive-SJW-PC-multicultural-cucking first in order for us to turn society back to saner times again. Stefan Molyneux, who studied history, said in one of his videos that whites tend to bend backwards to be complimentary and reputable, but once we realize our hospitality is being exploited and a certain line is crossed, we can switch to destruction-mode in an instant and things turn really nasty from there on for those who disdained and abused us. If things continue to accelerate like this, it might not take too long. I saw this video today and that speech really hit a spot in me, giving me some more mental strength again. That’s why I want to share this here, especially with my fellow Europeans. Even though most of it has already been said in different posts in this thread, this video is very well made:





We must keep our minds straight. Let's never despair.

(09-26-2015 05:57 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  I know there are a very powerful, rich, influential group of people who hold disproportionate sway over the direction of public policy and who have their own agendas that are contrary to the rest of us. However, the greatest barrier to be overcome, which in my view is insurmountable now, is the overwhelming number of stupid and apathetic people.

Succinct and to the point as ever. Here's a curveball- is the overwhelming amount of stupid and apathetic people engineered by the elite, by various means? Such as misinformation and 'enabling free thinking' with cheap internet access? Also, education for all (read: indoctrination, of course). Not forgetting state subsidised housing, mind rotting TV and cheap alcohol for the apathy.

Although the population was smaller, your average peasant was presumably far less informed and therefore suggestible. They also had a daily struggle just to live. Somewhat different now with either your council house scum with every need met and nothing to strive for, or your Millenial with a degree in media studies and a subscription to the Guardian.

Of course, this may be a natural developement in the social evoloution of our species. From a conspiracy theory standpoint, it's a good way to start to replicate the plot of Brave New World.

Europe's largest mosque on fire, 70 firefighters battling blaze

Morden mosque fire: More than 50 firefighters tackling huge blaze at Europe's biggest mosque

(09-26-2015 08:16 AM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  Europe's largest mosque on fire, 70 firefighters battling blaze


Morden mosque fire: More than 50 firefighters tackling huge blaze at Europe's biggest mosque

That's it. We need to take in 10 million 'refugees' now to counteract the 'extremist' elements of our society.

(09-26-2015 08:16 AM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  Europe's largest mosque on fire, 70 firefighters battling blaze

Morden mosque fire: More than 50 firefighters tackling huge blaze at Europe's biggest mosque

Based on what I have learned about politicking and manipulation, whoever started the fire was probably pro-immigration and started the fire to create sympathy for immigrants to make headlines like "ANGRY RACIST ARSONISTS BURN DOWN MOSQUE"

(09-26-2015 09:15 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 08:16 AM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  Europe's largest mosque on fire, 70 firefighters battling blaze

Morden mosque fire: More than 50 firefighters tackling huge blaze at Europe's biggest mosque

Based on what I have learned about politicking and manipulation, whoever started the fire was probably pro-immigration and started the fire to create sympathy for immigrants to make headlines like "ANGRY RACIST ARSONISTS BURN DOWN MOSQUE"

It wouldn't surprise me.

However South London still has a fair number of those old school white hooligans who are angry because of the beheading of Lee Rigby. There really aren't enough to cause a riot but incidents like this above aren't necessarily out of the question.

(09-26-2015 12:53 AM)369eyedea Wrote:  Is there anything that guys like ourselves can actually do to stop the migration?
Do we just have to sit and hope there is a strong right wing dude who's suddenly going to pop out of nowhere and send them back amidst mobs of leftists calling for his head. It feels a bit helpless.

Yes, start making professional looking infographic videos like the one below that show the real truth and not some pro-migrant version.

People like information that's easy to digest.

This is the information wars.

(09-26-2015 03:58 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:34 PM)RawGod Wrote:  I'm sure that's the case. What I'm saying is that posting on forums - and I'm including myself here - doesn't get anything done. There needs to be action in the streets. People need to be quitting their jobs and plotting in coffee shops like the 20th century revolutionaries who were eventually successful (both communist and fascist).

First of all their "revolutions" were anything but beneficial to the average Joe despite the propaganda.

Zelscorpion is onto something here which is: History punishes quick, extreme solutions. The Third Reich is fully dead and gone. Stalinism is dead and gone. Martin Luther King won and has obtained permanent state protection for African Americans. The non-violent guy won.

Now I can bitch, because I got about 40% higher on the GRE exams than AA applicants who were accepted for graduate programs that turned me down as a white male, but I am smart enough to see who won and who lost.

A bit of advice from an old pinko liberal who is strongly anti-uncontrolled immigration (Me).

Don't conflate liberalism with pro-caveman open borders, which is tragic naivete. Smart liberals like me know it takes centuries to produce an open-minded civilization that can invent great stuff like vaccines, the internet, discovery of the double helix, and the integrated circuit.

Make your complaints specific and issue targeted. Don't howl about liberalism, it's what lets you post whatever you want here.

What's crazy is letting people in who aren't ready to live in liberal states and thus setting natives and immigrants alike up for failure. That specific thing is what's crazy and should be opposed IMHO.

As the Japanese prime minister said when asked about whether he thought immigration was a solution for Japan's demographic problem-- he said words to the effect of "It doesn't lead to happy locals and it doesn't lead to happy immigrants, so I'm against it. "

Brilliant politician Trump carefully makes sure for the most part not to bad mouth immigrants, he always uses a qualifier like "I'm sure they're great people"

Because race hate leads nowhere good. And the .0001% of MENA neurosurgeons will come in handy after your next manly motorcycle accident or bar fight.

You can avoid getting into a jingoistic back-and-forth by saying you're for immigration, just for a very elite group. MERIT BASED SCREENING WITH A SUCCESS RATE FAR LESS THAN 1% DEFUSES ALL RACISM ACCUSATIONS.