(09-21-2015 06:44 PM)Balloons Wrote:  The dynamics are very different between black and white guys, so it's a lot more complex then that. For black guys, our race is our identity. If we talk "white", we're still seen as black, if we have a education, we're still black to white people. For most white guys, race isn't part of their identity, so they're labeled according to what they are. If they surf, they're a surfer. If they're tatted up with martial arts, they're a MMA guy, etc. Being black with money offers no real shortcuts. Black guys in America making 100K+ basically have much of the same dating limitations a black guy making 50K has when gaming white girls. We're not doing well because we don't have enough cash but because they prefer to deal with their own race. If they want money then they can get a white guy, if they want good looks then they can get a white guy that has it, if they want a tough guy then they can find a white guy like that and so forth. So it's not money but race. There are plenty of broke white guys with nice white girls. If we want a chance, we need to bring more to the table then what a white guy needs and it's no guarantee. If you want an even playing field where white women don't have a a particular preference then preying on the endless supply of 5-6 liberal/hipster/feminist girls in places like Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, etc.

If you are making 100+K a year, there is no need why you should be stuck in the US. You should at least be able to take a few long weekends into Canada (not Toronto!) or into countries close to the US such as Mexico, Panama or veer further into Colombia or Brasil. 100K and you still going to your local clubs..I just don't know, man. Try and expand your circle. Attend language groups, meetup groups and you will meet atypical Americans that will point you to niches that you can exploit.

I'm with moma on that: stop going to generic spots to find exceptional women. I think that as a black guy you can get away with approaching people in the strangest places and it's just normal. I know a lot of guys from the Carribean who approach wherever and are often "ahead" in terms of having girls on the team.

One of my good friends back home is from Haiti and when I was talking with him about girls and he's like, "talk to girls EVERYWHERE." He approaches in the supermarket, DMV and all those other weird spots he goes to in his day to day life.

I think sometimes we make the mistake of only approaching in "approach" venues, but I think that when you approach girls outside of those areas you actually are meeting the girl because she hasn't put on her club girl persona. In china, for example, I like approaching girls in the train station. I know that it isn't necessarily recommended, but the type of chinese girl I tend to be into isn't really the one I'm meeting at the major night game venues/

I usually only hit up the night game venue when I want to go out and meet up with people I already know. I'll approach in these spots, but I think they're not really conducive to getting the results I like.

(09-20-2015 06:12 AM)TreeBark Wrote:  

(09-19-2015 12:30 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 08:02 PM)OrangeKnight Wrote:  You're taking things out of context here. I never said they can't get a quality one. I'm saying it's rare I see one with a quality girl. If you're not a guy that's on the top end of looks/money/status, it's difficult for anyone to pull an 8+. The competition is very high here so for majority of black guys or any race, they're not going to be pulling 8s. What I meant from the last sentnce was that a disproportionate amount of black guys date the low end relative to their looks compare to other races. Again I'm not saying other races don't pull fat/frumpy/4s/unattractive girls but percentage wise, it's more common for black guys. Also when I meant decent I'm refering to 6s.

That just means they have horrible taste in women. Simple as that. For example Sourcecode (kidding). But in all seriousness I've met my fair share of white guys who are muscular and good looking, but they are dating some serious hambeast level shit. It's not even 5 or 6 of them. I walk around the Galleria(biggest mall in town) and I see them left and right.

It's just a fact of the day that guys are underselling them for what they can pull due to thirst, because conversely I've noticed some plain, average looking guys getting serious ass.

It's all a mentality thing in this day and age. The biggest fluctuation isn't in what guys consider a 7 or a 10, but what guys would be seen in public with. I've banged some rather "below par" girls to get a nut off, but no way in hell would I dare to be seen acknowledging them as something I touched.

Generally black men don't care for face, more appreciative of extra weight and are less likely to allow race/ethnicity to prevent them from fucking. They also have a broader range for what they consider attractive.

White guys are generally set on only fucking certain types of women, with certain types of bodies, looks, etc. White men tend not to find attractiveness in non-white women, and if they do find a non-white woman attractive, she will have physical traits that are close to what he likes in a white girl. Generally speaking of course.

I tend to agree and I believe a flat ass to many brothas is like an subpar face to a white dude. It's a deal breaker. I tend to only be attracted to white women that are close to what I like in sistas...i.e Kim Kardashian and her younger sister after the lip injections...

(09-21-2015 06:44 PM)Balloons Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 10:22 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:51 AM)Rang off the Pipe Wrote:  The only black guys I've ever seen in New York with good-looking (6+) white girls clearly had something going for them. I don't think I've seen one that didn't look fit and dress well; but at the same time there aren't all that many black guys here with non-black women, or all that many doing very well from an economic point of view.

Bingo, this is what it really boils down to most of the time. Money the almighty dollar. I am talking when dealing with the nicer looking girls, not girls in general.

The dynamics are very different between black and white guys, so it's a lot more complex then that. For black guys, our race is our identity. If we talk "white", we're still seen as black, if we have a education, we're still black to white people. For most white guys, race isn't part of their identity, so they're labeled according to what they are. If they surf, they're a surfer. If they're tatted up with martial arts, they're a MMA guy, etc. Being black with money offers no real shortcuts. Black guys in America making 100K+ basically have much of the same dating limitations a black guy making 50K has when gaming white girls. We're not doing well because we don't have enough cash but because they prefer to deal with their own race. If they want money then they can get a white guy, if they want good looks then they can get a white guy that has it, if they want a tough guy then they can find a white guy like that and so forth. So it's not money but race. There are plenty of broke white guys with nice white girls. If we want a chance, we need to bring more to the table then what a white guy needs and it's no guarantee. If you want an even playing field where white women don't have a a particular preference then preying on the endless supply of 5-6 liberal/hipster/feminist girls in places like Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, etc.

Another "black guy defeatist". This board is about work-arounds and game, not defeatism. Lets not turn this into a "pity party" but a place for constructive solutions.

Look, liberal girls will not offer you any reprieve, studies show both democrats and republicans carry the same pre-conceived notions and biases, particularly of blacks. I deal with them every day. They say one thing and do another. Yes, they are slightly more open-minded but they are not really that different from other American girls.

Here's a game tip:

The best way to deal with racist girls is to judge them using body language. Make yourself superior. Racists believe they are superior (therefore you are disqualified romantically), subconsciously, to you. You judge them and flip the script. Sometimes they will backtrack or hamsterize that you are suddenly a hot/intriguing guy.

Racism and prejudice today is mostly subconcious. We've already decided subconsciously want we want romantically whether we realize it not. Often to girls, white is the superior or default choice.

You can't compete with white guys on "being white" or being stereotypical. "Being white" is the default, all things good, and increasingly, cool. They have huge biases working for them. Those biases are based largely upon stereotypes and fantasies. And their "stereotypes" are broadly more positive than "black" ones. "Acting a stereotype" is a losing game for black dudes.

Like I've said before elsewhere in this thread, you have to *own* who you are, but not only that but you have to define yourself, and not let others define you or place you in a category whether it be "gangsta" or "swag" or any black trend or stereotype of the moment.

Only by defining yourself do you start to gain more power in the interaction with women. Suddenly it's white guys who look like boring stereotypes and cardboard boxes and you're the mysterious, intriguing, exciting hot guy AKA your game is working on her head. You've successfully differentiated yourself.

Do ya dig?

(09-21-2015 11:07 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  Another "black guy defeatist". This board is about work-arounds and game, not defeatism. Lets not turn this into a "pity party" but a place for constructive solutions.

Look, liberal girls will not offer you any reprieve, studies show both democrats and republicans carry the same pre-conceived notions and biases, particularly of blacks. I deal with them every day. They say one thing and do another. Yes, they are slightly more open-minded but they are not really that different from other American girls.

Here's a game tip:

The best way to deal with racist girls is to judge them using body language. Make yourself superior. Racists believe they are superior (therefore you are disqualified romantically), subconsciously, to you. You judge them and flip the script. Sometimes they will backtrack or hamsterize that you are suddenly a hot/intriguing guy.

Racism and prejudice today is mostly subconcious. We've already decided subconsciously want we want romantically whether we realize it not. Often to girls, white is the superior or default choice.

You can't compete with white guys on "being white" or being stereotypical. "Being white" is the default, all things good, and increasingly, cool. They have huge biases working for them. Those biases are based largely upon stereotypes and fantasies. And their "stereotypes" are broadly more positive than "black" ones. "Acting a stereotype" is a losing game for black dudes.

Like I've said before elsewhere in this thread, you have to *own* who you are, but not only that but you have to define yourself, and not let others define you or place you in a category whether it be "gangsta" or "swag" or any black trend or stereotype of the moment.

Only by defining yourself do you start to gain more power in the interaction with women. Suddenly it's white guys who look like boring stereotypes and cardboard boxes and you're the mysterious, intriguing, exciting hot guy AKA your game is working on her head. You've successfully differentiated yourself.

Do ya dig?

I don't know who you are but please don't come at me with the "i'm defeatist" shit. I'm a grown man that's been in the game for years, i've had my experiences, i've put my dues out there, i'm confident, and now I have the fortitude to be honest about my experiences.

After years of experience, I came to the conclusion that racial preferences are real. I don't think these hurdles are fatalistic or should become an excuse for not advancing in the game but being willfully ignorant of them doesn't mean they aren't true. This is the reality of the game. If a woman doesn't want to fuck me then I move on and approach another girl. I rather not put in all the extra work in trying to turn a white girl out.

Now firstly, you contradict yourself. You say you can't compete with white guys being "white" yet you go on about trying to be this "mysterious, intriguing, exciting guy" which is a white guy archetype.

Secondly, women have the right to have racial preferences. This doesn't mean she's racist, this doesn't mean she thinks she's superior to others, it just means she prefers a type of guy. I personally don't prefer asians, does this mean that i'm "racist"? There's a difference.

Thirdly, getting a white girl and what a white girl wants are two different things. Go do all the things to help yourself out whether it be dressing nice, workout, working on game, fix your body language, or try to be this mysterious and intriguing white guy archetype and whatever else to get a white girl but at the end of the day, this only changes her willingness, not her feelings.

^ Since when is acting mysterious and intriguing exclusively a white guy archetype?

This is NOT a thread about complaining, please start a new thread for that.

We will be "hopefully" taping another podcast this weekend. It will be focused on one subject Travel, please drop us any questions you have about the subject. We have a returning guest, fingers crossed he can make it.

After that, the topic will be Fashion. WIA will be our guest and we will delve a lot deeper into this topic. Again drop us any question you have about the subject.

I am pleased to say, it looks like we have our audio problems fixed. (Thanks Sourcecode for your earlier suggestion)

Game_ethic, I guess someone never heard of "tall, dark and handsome?"

Quote:I don't know who you are but please don't come at me with the "i'm defeatist" shit. I'm a grown man that's been in the game for years, i've had my experiences, i've put my dues out there, i'm confident, and now I have the fortitude to be honest about my experiences

It wasn't necessarily addressed just to you, but to any black dude who is excessively pessimistic and not seeing the big picture. Racism is real but so is game. And it is a viable counterbalance if you know how to use it.

Quote:Now firstly, you contradict yourself. You say you can't compete with white guys being "white" yet you go on about trying to be this "mysterious, intriguing, exciting guy" which is a white guy archetype.

Nope. It wasn't a contradiction. There is nothing inherently "white" about being mysterious or intriguing. Now I can see what your problem likely is, gamewise.

Quote:Secondly, women have the right to have racial preferences. This doesn't mean she's racist, this doesn't mean she thinks she's superior to others, it just means she prefers a type of guy. I personally don't prefer asians, does this mean that i'm "racist"? There's a difference.

They have the right to be prejudiced and I have the right to judge them. I judge them for the same reason you would judge a restaurant that doesn't serve blacks. Close mindedness.

If I "preferred" blondes that doesn't mean I wouldn't fuck brunettes, just that blonde is my first choice. "Prejudice" is when I fuck blondes to the exclusion of all else. Why else would I prefer blondes unless I thought they were better?

Quote:but at the end of the day, this only changes her willingness, not her feelings.

Her feelings are based on subconscious value judgements. It's not magic. To some girls a black man doesn't fit their romantic ideal. Game can disrupt and turn their beliefs upside down. Powerful stuff.

(09-20-2015 06:12 AM)TreeBark Wrote:  

(09-19-2015 12:30 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 08:02 PM)OrangeKnight Wrote:  You're taking things out of context here. I never said they can't get a quality one. I'm saying it's rare I see one with a quality girl. If you're not a guy that's on the top end of looks/money/status, it's difficult for anyone to pull an 8+. The competition is very high here so for majority of black guys or any race, they're not going to be pulling 8s. What I meant from the last sentnce was that a disproportionate amount of black guys date the low end relative to their looks compare to other races. Again I'm not saying other races don't pull fat/frumpy/4s/unattractive girls but percentage wise, it's more common for black guys. Also when I meant decent I'm refering to 6s.

That just means they have horrible taste in women. Simple as that. For example Sourcecode (kidding). But in all seriousness I've met my fair share of white guys who are muscular and good looking, but they are dating some serious hambeast level shit. It's not even 5 or 6 of them. I walk around the Galleria(biggest mall in town) and I see them left and right.

It's just a fact of the day that guys are underselling them for what they can pull due to thirst, because conversely I've noticed some plain, average looking guys getting serious ass.

It's all a mentality thing in this day and age. The biggest fluctuation isn't in what guys consider a 7 or a 10, but what guys would be seen in public with. I've banged some rather "below par" girls to get a nut off, but no way in hell would I dare to be seen acknowledging them as something I touched.

Generally black men don't care for face, more appreciative of extra weight and are less likely to allow race/ethnicity to prevent them from fucking. They also have a broader range for what they consider attractive.

White guys are generally set on only fucking certain types of women, with certain types of bodies, looks, etc. White men tend not to find attractiveness in non-white women, and if they do find a non-white woman attractive, she will have physical traits that are close to what he likes in a white girl. Generally speaking of course.

Doesn't that just make it worse if we see attractive white guys who generally pickier dating horribly down like this? Couple that with the broad love of ass both on the forum and off in America, and you have guys looking for "thicker" girls. When they aren't really even "Thick" in the traditional sense.

(09-22-2015 07:46 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  This is NOT a thread about complaining, please start a new thread for that.

We will be "hopefully" taping another podcast this weekend. It will be focused on one subject Travel, please drop us any questions you have about the subject. We have a returning guest, fingers crossed he can make it.

After that, the topic will be Fashion. WIA will be our guest and we will delve a lot deeper into this topic. Again drop us any question you have about the subject.

I am pleased to say, it looks like we have our audio problems fixed. (Thanks Sourcecode for your earlier suggestion)

Definitely fashion, would be interested in you guys take on different styles. I'm trying to transition to wearing blazers, but have yet to incorporate the one I purchased six months ago into my wardrobe.

-CD

(09-22-2015 09:31 PM)Fortis Wrote:  Game_ethic, I guess someone never heard of "tall, dark and handsome?"

Uhmm since when did the phrase ever referred to black guys?

I find this laughable. We mind as well say a surfer isn't a white guy archetype too.

Firstly, black guys are seen as extroverted, outgoing, loud, aggressive, direct, braggadocious, etc. White guys are the opposite pretty much, they're quiet, reserved, indirect, kept to themselves, etc. The traits of a mysterious and intriguing guy is someone that's shy, quiet, pensive, etc, basically it's associated to a white guy. Ask white women what their image is when they think of a mysterious intriguing guy, unshockingly they're always white. Look out in the game, all the guys i've seen who had that mysteriousness was white.

Secondly, there is nothing wrong with being closeminded. It doesn't mean they're a bad person, just as it doesn't mean you're a better person because you're not closeminded. Can people/women just have their preferences without questioning or judgement.

Thirdly, haha i'm not gonna even bother. If you think game is this magic pill that will solve everything then good luck.

(09-23-2015 06:16 AM)Balloons Wrote:  I find this laughable. We mind as well say a surfer isn't a white guy archetype too.

Firstly, black guys are seen as extroverted, outgoing, loud, aggressive, direct, braggadocious, etc. White guys are the opposite pretty much, they're quiet, reserved, indirect, kept to themselves, etc. The traits of a mysterious and intriguing guy is someone that's shy, quiet, pensive, etc, basically it's associated to a white guy. Ask white women what their image is when they think of a mysterious intriguing guy, unshockingly they're always white. Look out in the game, all the guys i've seen who had that mysteriousness was white.

Secondly, there is nothing wrong with being closeminded. It doesn't mean they're a bad person, just as it doesn't mean you're a better person because you're not closeminded. Can people/women just have their preferences without questioning or judgement.

Thirdly, haha i'm not gonna even bother. If you think game is this magic pill that will solve everything then good luck.

Balloons, why do you think that some black guys are doing just fine with white lizards if it's not game? Are they just the benefactors of serendipity that blesses only one black guy out of fifty on the planet? Or are they famous? Rich? What is it?
Break down your obstacles and your location on the planet (I'm guessing somewhere in the United States) and we can devise an workable plan of action for you.

As far as I know, tall dark and handsome has always referred to black guys.

Secondly, why are there so many complaints about rarely seeing a average black guy with a top notch white girl?
That's not some isolated incident.

Average white guys aren't running around with top notch girls either.

In fact. Average people period aren't running around with 9s all the time. Dudes with game are.

Learning "game" has gotten me better women all around, regardless of race or country.

Stop complaining and step your game up.
Next subject.

Some guys come on this forum to complain, they add no value. No game tip, no travel tip, nothing.

If you are insecure about being black, nothing anyone says on here will change that. Shut the fuck up and learn, I have learned a lot from others on this board.

Yes, we are all aware there are stereotypes. Is it my job to live up to that stereotype or break the stereotype? As Bruce Lee said "water takes the shape of its form". Be different be unique. Christ, everyday I have to show people I am different.

You cannot get girls if you are not confident, that is the number one trait girls like.

I have seen Caribbean men in the islands with not even a red cent to their name, game local and foreign women with ease. They don't have half the opportunities that you have in America.

Newsflash - ALL Americans are seen as loud, obnoxious, arrogant and aggressive.

(09-23-2015 06:16 AM)Balloons Wrote:  I find this laughable. We mind as well say a surfer isn't a white guy archetype too.

Whats even more laughable is that you think a black guy can't be a surfer.

(09-23-2015 06:16 AM)Balloons Wrote:  Firstly, black guys are seen as extroverted, outgoing, loud, aggressive, direct, braggadocious, etc. White guys are the opposite pretty much, they're quiet, reserved, indirect, kept to themselves, etc. The traits of a mysterious and intriguing guy is someone that's shy, quiet, pensive, etc, basically it's associated to a white guy. Ask white women what their image is when they think of a mysterious intriguing guy, unshockingly they're always white. Look out in the game, all the guys i've s
seen who had that mysteriousness was white.

Your problem is you can't think outside of stereotypes. You think other people define you. Their "image" or what something is or isn't is entirely outside of your control. You can't control your own frame. If a black guy is not "braggadocious" he's not real because he's not "seen" that way. lol.

(09-23-2015 06:16 AM)Balloons Wrote:  Secondly, there is nothing wrong with being closeminded. It doesn't mean they're a bad person, just as it doesn't mean you're a better person because you're not closeminded. Can people/women just have their preferences without questioning or judgement.

You sound like a fool. I didn't say they're a "bad person" they're just wrong. It's always better to be free than closed-off. It's what western society is based off of. I reserve the right to judge people who I think are wrong just like they have the right to be closeminded. However ignorant that is.

(09-23-2015 06:16 AM)Balloons Wrote:  Thirdly, haha i'm not gonna even bother. If you think game is this magic pill that will solve everything then good luck.

Nobody ever said is game a "magic pill". You just don't understand it well enough to do the things I and others here can do with it. Now you're at the point of pretty much being a game denier or close to it.

It's like the difference between a chess master and a chess novice. The master can make moves a novice can't even anticipate. The novice gives up the game, the master keeps playing.

Quote:If you are insecure about being black, nothing anyone says on here will change that. Shut the fuck up and learn, I have learned a lot from others on this board.

Co-motherfucking-sign.

(09-23-2015 08:09 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  As far as I know, tall dark and handsome has always referred to black guys.

I don't think it ever did. Dark refers to white men with dark features (Italian, Spanish, Southern European, Black hair, etc.). For example if you google Tall Dark and Handsome, all the pictures are of white guys

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=tal...d+handsome

(09-23-2015 08:09 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  As far as I know, tall dark and handsome has always referred to black guys.

I've talked to a lot of women and there hasn't been one woman that I talked to that had ever referred it to black guys, maybe with the exception of black women. The phrase came out in a extremely racist era (around 1930s-40) and was coined after Cary Grant. It was always referred to white guys with darker features. Actually you can type in the pharse on google and see what images pop up.

(09-23-2015 11:07 AM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  Nobody ever said is game a "magic pill". You just don't understand it well enough to do the things I and others here can do with it. Now you're at the point of pretty much being a game denier or close to it.

It's like the difference between a chess master and a chess novice. The master can make moves a novice can't even anticipate. The novice gives up the game, the master keeps playing.

What exactly is "game" to you?

@ iso and discoboi.

You two are working overtime to prove the "sky is falling" for black guys. Nitpicking here and there, looking for all sorts of reasons to justify your view.

Good riddance to you both.

Lol, I'm quite certain one of these dudes is RickyWax.

(09-23-2015 05:24 PM)MaxJames Wrote:  @ iso and discoboi.

You two are working overtime to prove the "sky is falling" for black guys. Nitpicking here and there, looking for all sorts of reasons to justify your view.

Good riddance to you both.

This is way off topic. This is about the origin of the phrase.

Among white races (particularly within historical Hollywood), it referred to a leading man who had dark hair and very tanned or olive skin (Italian, Spaniard, Greek). That's where it originate the phrase and it always historically referred to them.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with the videos. The first few videos you shouldn't take at face value. You have to take into consideration the backlash they would get if they said "no" in front of a camera. The last few videos, I don't really know what you're trying to prove. There are black guys with white girl, it's not impossible but it's only a small percent. There are just as many white guys/white girls couple but that's the norm, that's why most don't talk about it or how there aren't videos/pages about these pairings.

So, the Brazilian Real is collapsing.
I had investments in Brazil a while back going so far south that the average man might cry.

I feel like I've lost too much and don't want to liquidate them.

So, I've been shorting the market instead. This quick collapse is actually making some money back for me.

With the USD to Real being 1:4..has anyone thought of booking to Brazil.

White girls seem to be the bain of some of y'alls lives.
If you complain about white girls so bad..I can't even imagine what y'all would be like if you liked Asian girls.

Maybe y'all should take a break and start hunting some thick thighed Brazilian girls.
It's rather hear the feminine OI OI OI! from a Brazilian girl than the whiny complaints of y'all.

http://www.returnofkings.com/3661/how-to...easy-steps

There is even a return of kings article to help get women.
Plus you have much better purchasing power now.

(09-23-2015 07:19 PM)DiscoBoi Wrote:  I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with the videos. The first few videos you shouldn't take at face value. You have to take into consideration the backlash they would get if they said "no" in front of a camera. The last few videos, I don't really know what you're trying to prove. There are black guys with white girl, it's not impossible but it's only a small percent. There are just as many white guys/white girls couple but that's the norm, that's why most don't talk about it or how there aren't videos/pages about these pairings.

You ever been outside of the continental US before?

Edit. Mistaken double post.