(09-18-2015 03:14 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 02:58 AM)OrangeKnight Wrote:  I think this is a two way street. A lot of black guys often times are attracted to white girls just for the simple basis of them being white and see them as status symbols. I had this convo with a white friend of mine before of how we see so many high quality brothers, muscular, educated types settling for average to below average looking white girls just to say they have one. There are unattractive white girls that use their white factor to get black guys above them because they know they can. I'll occasionally see tall, athletic black men who appear to have their shit together with their arms around frumpy white girls who wouldn't be recognized by any halfway decent white guy.

It's a waste of time to be on the outside looking in and attempt to draw any conclusion from that situation. Unless you are the brotha in that situation you dont know what else is going on.

For all you know dude could be cheating on her with her friends or have a harem of white girls in the 5-7 range. He's got his frumpy reliable main chick and his stunner booty call on the side.

Or that tall, muscular brotha you see with the average looking white girl? He may appear to have his shit together but could have just got out of jail and shes letting him crash at her place until he can get a job, something a black girl might be less likely to do.

He could be recently divorced/ paying high child support and he knows the frumpy white chick will watch his kid and/or help him out with child support.

There could be a whole bunch of different scenarios. Marginal to frumpy looking white women "sponsoring" or paying for the privilege of being with fit black males happens globally , from the Carribbean to Africa to the good 'ole U.S.A.

Well I'm only gonna speak about LA but it's rare I see a black guy with a 7. Was out a few days ago. Place was like 95% white. The only black dudes in there were with white women but these women were 3s and 4s tops. The past year so far, I've mostly seen brothas with 5s and below. There's this white girl I know, a 6 at best. Well I was out one night with her and black dudes were giving me props just for being with her. I also have numerous black friends who pull more then my white friends but they're only pulling 5s and few 6s, while my white friends whom pull less, are pulling better girls. I also have one friend that's happily engaged to a fat white girl.

Whether one chooses to admit it or not, more often than not, for a Black man, a frump white woman is someone who he uses to show his higher level of status in society, and/or a body he uses to do some of the more extreme sexual acts, that black women won't engage in with him.

Now LA is difficult for majority of guys, so most guys aren't gonna get any 8s and you'll see plenty of guys regardless dating down but black guys take it to another level where they're actually happy to fuck these frumpy white girls. At least guys of other races, while dating down, are with a woman that's somewhat decent.

(09-18-2015 06:00 PM)OrangeKnight Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 03:14 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 02:58 AM)OrangeKnight Wrote:  I think this is a two way street. A lot of black guys often times are attracted to white girls just for the simple basis of them being white and see them as status symbols. I had this convo with a white friend of mine before of how we see so many high quality brothers, muscular, educated types settling for average to below average looking white girls just to say they have one. There are unattractive white girls that use their white factor to get black guys above them because they know they can. I'll occasionally see tall, athletic black men who appear to have their shit together with their arms around frumpy white girls who wouldn't be recognized by any halfway decent white guy.

It's a waste of time to be on the outside looking in and attempt to draw any conclusion from that situation. Unless you are the brotha in that situation you dont know what else is going on.

At least guys of other races, while dating down, are with a woman that's somewhat decent.

Now I know your trolling. So other races only date down from 8s to 7, huh? Given the HUGE obesity epidemic in the US no white, hispanic or other race dates down, EVER? Just the brothas, right?

You made it worse when you mentioned LA. If you were talking Alabama then you might be right. If you really are black and live in LA and are implying that brothas can't or don't pull quality there you can...

You're taking things out of context here. I never said they can't get a quality one. I'm saying it's rare I see one with a quality girl. If you're not a guy that's on the top end of looks/money/status, it's difficult for anyone to pull an 8+. The competition is very high here so for majority of black guys or any race, they're not going to be pulling 8s. What I meant from the last sentnce was that a disproportionate amount of black guys date the low end relative to their looks compare to other races. Again I'm not saying other races don't pull fat/frumpy/4s/unattractive girls but percentage wise, it's more common for black guys. Also when I meant decent I'm refering to 6s.

Waka for president.
Now that he's got his money, he's talking about not wearing as many name brands.
Investing in healthcare.
Giving back to the hood.
Getting off the block and hitting hitting the book.
Developing in business.
Reason everything is going downhill, everyone wants to be the same.

^He is one of the young cats who speaks with intelligence and he doesn't shy away from real topics

He usually comes across as a thoughtful dude, he realizes this shit is deeper than music

Once you come up and get your ends straight it allows you to exercise a certain freedom of speech without worrying about the consequences

@[email protected] Curious but have either of you actually lived in LA?

@azulsombra. I've seen black guys with 5-7s but never have I ever seen one with a 9 here in LA. LA is very difficult for majority of black guys but its also not easy for most white guys and nowhere near as hard as it would be for an asian guy to pull quality girls. Overall LA's not a place for most guys because of the very high competition level. This city is obsessed with looks and image, so fame goes a long way.

@OrangeKnight. What part of LA are you in? American women are fat in general, but I don't see many fat women here. You also have to keep in mind that it's LA where there are lots of goodlooking/rich/celeb type guys. So the quality of women is above average here compared to the country as a whole. It's almost a default in the hollywood scene. Not questioning you but unless it's a single mexican women with 4 kids, the average girl here is not fat so by default, you're not going to see many guys with fat women around.

Discoboi, if LA is not easy for white guys or black guys, then using LA as a marker for how well black guys are doing won't be valid since the determining factor is fame NOT race, right?

(09-18-2015 08:02 PM)OrangeKnight Wrote:  You're taking things out of context here. I never said they can't get a quality one. I'm saying it's rare I see one with a quality girl. If you're not a guy that's on the top end of looks/money/status, it's difficult for anyone to pull an 8+. The competition is very high here so for majority of black guys or any race, they're not going to be pulling 8s. What I meant from the last sentnce was that a disproportionate amount of black guys date the low end relative to their looks compare to other races. Again I'm not saying other races don't pull fat/frumpy/4s/unattractive girls but percentage wise, it's more common for black guys. Also when I meant decent I'm refering to 6s.

That just means they have horrible taste in women. Simple as that. For example Sourcecode (kidding). But in all seriousness I've met my fair share of white guys who are muscular and good looking, but they are dating some serious hambeast level shit. It's not even 5 or 6 of them. I walk around the Galleria(biggest mall in town) and I see them left and right.

It's just a fact of the day that guys are underselling them for what they can pull due to thirst, because conversely I've noticed some plain, average looking guys getting serious ass.

It's all a mentality thing in this day and age. The biggest fluctuation isn't in what guys consider a 7 or a 10, but what guys would be seen in public with. I've banged some rather "below par" girls to get a nut off, but no way in hell would I dare to be seen acknowledging them as something I touched.

(09-18-2015 08:34 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  



Waka for president.
Now that he's got his money, he's talking about not wearing as many name brands.
Investing in healthcare.
Giving back to the hood.
Getting off the block and hitting hitting the book.
Developing in business.
Reason everything is going downhill, everyone wants to be the same.

"You know I have paper, why do i have to keep showing you everyday" This guy has really matured over the years. Nothing but respect for him.

-CD

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(09-19-2015 12:30 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 08:02 PM)OrangeKnight Wrote:  You're taking things out of context here. I never said they can't get a quality one. I'm saying it's rare I see one with a quality girl. If you're not a guy that's on the top end of looks/money/status, it's difficult for anyone to pull an 8+. The competition is very high here so for majority of black guys or any race, they're not going to be pulling 8s. What I meant from the last sentnce was that a disproportionate amount of black guys date the low end relative to their looks compare to other races. Again I'm not saying other races don't pull fat/frumpy/4s/unattractive girls but percentage wise, it's more common for black guys. Also when I meant decent I'm refering to 6s.

That just means they have horrible taste in women. Simple as that. For example Sourcecode (kidding). But in all seriousness I've met my fair share of white guys who are muscular and good looking, but they are dating some serious hambeast level shit. It's not even 5 or 6 of them. I walk around the Galleria(biggest mall in town) and I see them left and right.

It's just a fact of the day that guys are underselling them for what they can pull due to thirst, because conversely I've noticed some plain, average looking guys getting serious ass.

It's all a mentality thing in this day and age. The biggest fluctuation isn't in what guys consider a 7 or a 10, but what guys would be seen in public with. I've banged some rather "below par" girls to get a nut off, but no way in hell would I dare to be seen acknowledging them as something I touched.

Generally black men don't care for face, more appreciative of extra weight and are less likely to allow race/ethnicity to prevent them from fucking. They also have a broader range for what they consider attractive.

White guys are generally set on only fucking certain types of women, with certain types of bodies, looks, etc. White men tend not to find attractiveness in non-white women, and if they do find a non-white woman attractive, she will have physical traits that are close to what he likes in a white girl. Generally speaking of course.

(09-18-2015 02:38 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  Do you approach and game them in French?

Haha no, I speak absolutely French. I live in Phnom Penh which was colonized by the French. The French people here for the most part all speak decent English.

Some brothers like them thick, no shame in that. You hook up with what makes your dick hard.

(09-14-2015 04:21 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Blacktree or Treebark - I understood what you meant the first time.
Not all white girls that are into black guys hang with black guys. It has been mentioned before that a lot of girls are indifferent, if a black, brown, yellow guy approaches her and ticks enough boxes then she will be down. This is what I see where I live, however I understand race in America doesn't seem to work like that.

DiscoBoi - the Rothschild example was to show how super wealthy girls are willing to risk a lot to be with black men. Agreed, they are not anything to look at.

This doesn't say much since a person that makes that kind of money, is mostly going to date someone below their financial level since most don't make a billion dollars. This is also inaccurate since that Rothchild chick isn't risking a lot. The guy she's seeing is a rapper with money who is probably top 1% amongst black men. Like Disco said, money doesn't mean anything, a womans value is all in her looks. The Rothchild chick is past her years and is very average looking. Other then her money, it's actually him that's dating down. You make it seem as if he's some guy with nothing to offer.

(09-19-2015 08:47 AM)Moma Wrote:  Discoboi, if LA is not easy for white guys or black guys, then using LA as a marker for how well black guys are doing won't be valid since the determining factor is fame NOT race, right?

Everything is a factor but fame will take a guy further in LA. Now the competition is very high here but it also depends on what niche you're gaming in. I mostly game in places/niches where white girls aren't into black guys so it's relatively harder compare to my white friends. Another thing is being a well put together black guy doesn't mean anything here because there are plenty (including myself and friends). I would think it would be better outside the US since the local competition is far weaker. I plan on moving out soon.

(09-19-2015 08:47 AM)Moma Wrote:  Discoboi, if LA is not easy for white guys or black guys, then using LA as a marker for how well black guys are doing won't be valid since the determining factor is fame NOT race, right?

I have lived in LA for a few years now and it is difficult for a black guy in general since this is a city of the niches and there are tons of good looking guys with beach bodies. There aren't many niches a black guy can go for and fit in so race/looks is a factor for this. I think "SPEAKEASY" can speak about LA in more detail about the dynamics of dating for black guys here since he has lived here longer. Here's also a few posts from "ZOOXANTHELLAE", a black member here about LA.

Quote:I've lived in Los Angeles several years now, been "gaming" since about 2007-08 and got a few flags, etc. traveled a lot but most knowledgeable about US cities gaming as a brother.

My experience in LA has been up and down. When I first came here I had to adjust (and happily did so) to the more day-party gaming style... Very typical of all of California. Whereas many other cities main talent and opportunities to pull are in nightlife (NYC, etc.) LA and California in general seem to have the most "fun" and free events during Sunday Funday type deals and beach days and what not.

Examples being Bay2Breakers in San Francisco which is the party of the century, The Saturday/Sunday rager parties of San Diego (specially Pacific, Mission, and Ocean Beaches), and the Sunday pool parties of the West Side of LA (and some hotel pool parties like the Roosevelt and Standard DTLA). Vegas pool parties are another good example of The American West's obsession with daytime ragers and their advantages for game.

In any case I liked that adjustment but no matter how you cut it they are a different beast than the East Coast, Midwest, and South "start bar hopping at 10pm and game until you pull or last call" style of nightlife. Los Angeles nightlife for the most part is dog shit compared to how world class of a city, unless you are rich or have access to Hills parties and that culture. That's been my experience.

I've gotten a few exciting stories out here as far as game (including a boiler room bang... Yes literally in a boiler room, long story) and some funny public fingering and weird shit but in general I haven't been happy with it compared to the epic nights of NYC, Berlin, Poland, DC, and other places I've had.

As a brother specifically I find LA a bit of a joke too, the best areas are super white and frankly a bit boring unless you are rich... Maybe with the notable exception of Venice.

In general there are enough "cool well put together brothers with money" out here that you don't stand out but also enough "shady hood muhfuckas" that you have to project your well-putogetherness anyway. Not trying to shit on LA overall just saying...

...of all the major first tier cities for game, LA has probably been my least favorite, due mainly to 1) awful logistics 2) public nightlife is superceded by private social circle parties and day drinking 3) being a well put together brother rarely means anything.

Just keeping it real and trying to add a different perspective

Quote:In short, getting real stunners in LA is difficult no matter how you cut it (especially as a black man) due to all the earlier mentioned issues of logistics, competition, and general ditzy flakey model syndrome.

There are a ton of European tourists in Santa Monica and Venice who haven't been brainwashed by LA Hollywood bottle rat culture so in a good day game session in SM if you like European chicks... You can find one that might classically be considered an 8 or a 9. Or a Latina who hasn't been brainwashed and has a high level of natural beauty.

An All-American Hollywood brainwashed white girl 8 or 9 - yes that would be damn near impossible for a brother to pull in daygame or night game without heavy social proofing.

(09-19-2015 02:09 AM)DiscoBoi Wrote:  @[email protected] Curious but have either of you actually lived in LA?

@azulsombra. I've seen black guys with 5-7s but never have I ever seen one with a 9 here in LA. LA is very difficult for majority of black guys but its also not easy for most white guys and nowhere near as hard as it would be for an asian guy to pull quality girls. Overall LA's not a place for most guys because of the very high competition level.

I don't know how this turned into the LA thread Part Deux: Black Edition, but everyone already knows post-2010 LA is not an easy place to game if you lack confidence, logistics, "swag", connections. LA can be tough for dudes of any race due to bad ratios and early last call. Regardless, lots of brothas come up on some fine girls in LA and no they are not all basketball players, and male models.

I hate the 1-10 scale because it varies between guys so much, especially when you talk about the 9-10 range. Hell, some people don't think a 10 even exists. So you never saw a black guy with what you consider a 9? Ok.

Do you roll in circles where 9s are abundant? Considering blacks are a little less than 10% of LA why is that so surprising? Now if you were in New York or Atlanta and you didn't see any brothas with 9s that would really be saying something.

LA is huge and brings in girls from all over the world I have seen brothas with top quality in Santa Monica, Venice, Hollywood, the Grove,etc. Now if your 9 is only a born and bred rich blond chick from Pacific Palisades, then yes you are right I haven't seen any brothas with "9s" either.

(09-20-2015 05:50 PM)TreeBark Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 04:21 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Blacktree or Treebark - I understood what you meant the first time.
Not all white girls that are into black guys hang with black guys. It has been mentioned before that a lot of girls are indifferent, if a black, brown, yellow guy approaches her and ticks enough boxes then she will be down. This is what I see where I live, however I understand race in America doesn't seem to work like that.

DiscoBoi - the Rothschild example was to show how super wealthy girls are willing to risk a lot to be with black men. Agreed, they are not anything to look at.

This doesn't say much since a person that makes that kind of money, is mostly going to date someone below their financial level since most don't make a billion dollars. This is also inaccurate since that Rothchild chick isn't risking a lot. The guy she's seeing is a rapper with money who is probably top 1% amongst black men. Like Disco said, money doesn't mean anything, a womans value is all in her looks. The Rothchild chick is past her years and is very average looking. Other then her money, it's actually him that's dating down. You make it seem as if he's some guy with nothing to offer.

I don't know why Jay Electronica with the rothschild chick is held up as a prime example but I'll bite. What are you talking about when you say JayE is a rapper with money in the top 1%?
This is Jay Electronica. Not Jay-Z. Not Nelly or 50 cent who sold millions of records.

Jay Electronica is dope lyrically but he will never be a household name. He has had ZERO hits on the radio, no commercial albums and most people dont know who he is and probably never will. He will not be gracing the Forbes cover like his mentor unless he marries into the money. JayE pulled the Rothschild chick with probably 10% ambition/ access game and 90% regular. His fame and money game is not on her level.

The only black guys I've ever seen in New York with good-looking (6+) white girls clearly had something going for them. I don't think I've seen one that didn't look fit and dress well; but at the same time there aren't all that many black guys here with non-black women, or all that many doing very well from an economic point of view.

(09-21-2015 05:51 AM)Rang off the Pipe Wrote:  The only black guys I've ever seen in New York with good-looking (6+) white girls clearly had something going for them. I don't think I've seen one that didn't look fit and dress well; but at the same time there aren't all that many black guys here with non-black women, or all that many doing very well from an economic point of view.

Bingo, this is what it really boils down to most of the time. Money the almighty dollar. I am talking when dealing with the nicer looking girls, not girls in general.

Azulsombra - correct again, how many guys roll in circles with top end girls. They don't exactly shop at Walmart on the weekend.

The Rothschild example was just to show a super rich lady dealing with a black guy. I never said she was pretty, far from it.

(09-21-2015 10:22 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:51 AM)Rang off the Pipe Wrote:  The only black guys I've ever seen in New York with good-looking (6+) white girls clearly had something going for them. I don't think I've seen one that didn't look fit and dress well; but at the same time there aren't all that many black guys here with non-black women, or all that many doing very well from an economic point of view.

Bingo, this is what it really boils down to most of the time. Money the almighty dollar. I am talking when dealing with the nicer looking girls, not girls in general.

The dynamics are very different between black and white guys, so it's a lot more complex then that. For black guys, our race is our identity. If we talk "white", we're still seen as black, if we have a education, we're still black to white people. For most white guys, race isn't part of their identity, so they're labeled according to what they are. If they surf, they're a surfer. If they're tatted up with martial arts, they're a MMA guy, etc. Being black with money offers no real shortcuts. Black guys in America making 100K+ basically have much of the same dating limitations a black guy making 50K has when gaming white girls. We're not doing well because we don't have enough cash but because they prefer to deal with their own race. If they want money then they can get a white guy, if they want good looks then they can get a white guy that has it, if they want a tough guy then they can find a white guy like that and so forth. So it's not money but race. There are plenty of broke white guys with nice white girls. If we want a chance, we need to bring more to the table then what a white guy needs and it's no guarantee. If you want an even playing field where white women don't have a a particular preference then preying on the endless supply of 5-6 liberal/hipster/feminist girls in places like Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, etc.

^I knew I would get into trouble by saying money. lol

Hot girls tend to gravitate to guys who have money, not always of course. You still need to have game about you, I am sure we all know dudes with money but still get no love at the end of the day.

You made the point that a broke white guy can still get a nice white chick, can a broke black guy do the same?

I think America is a different animal altogether, race is still a huge factor there.

A lot of you guys that are complaining need to come north of the border, the exchange is in your favour and the girls are easier going. Toronto you might want to skip, but the rest of country is worth a go.

I meet a fair amount of white girls here, the problem is they want a chase or romance. As my bro Moma would say "the long game".

(09-21-2015 06:57 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^I knew I would get into trouble by saying money. lol

Hot girls tend to gravitate to guys who have money, not always of course. You still need to have game about you, I am sure we all know dudes with money but still get no love at the end of the day.

You made the point that a broke white guy can still get a nice white chick, can a broke black guy do the same?

I think America is a different animal altogether, race is still a huge factor there.

A lot of you guys that are complaining need to come north of the border, the exchange is in your favour and the girls are easier going. Toronto you might want to skip, but the rest of country is worth a go.

I meet a fair amount of white girls here, the problem is they want a chase or romance. As my bro Moma would say "the long game".

Definitely considering it. CDN is mad weak right now plus all the Canadian girls I've talked to in the US seem very friendly and down-to-earth.

30% off everything basically

Flights to Europe are generally cheaper from Canada even if the change was 1:1. Add that 1USD:1.30CDN exchange and you're talking big savings.

When it comes to money and women.
Chris Brown said it best.
"When a rich n*** want you
And your n**** can't do nothing for ya
These hoes ain't loyal"

(09-21-2015 09:42 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  30% off everything basically

Flights to Europe are generally cheaper from Canada even if the change was 1:1. Add that 1USD:1.30CDN exchange and you're talking big savings.

I think you guys get better deals from NYC to Europe.