Pondering some meta shit today.

A while back I read an article that said research shows the marriages that last the longest are the ones where the woman is objectively more attractive than the man. I don't know how accurate that is, but it stands to make sense. A guy would marry a girl of any social status, of any ethnicity or religion if he found her extremely attractive, and she had a feminine personality. If he feels like she's the hottest girl he's ever met or ever wants to be with, he's not gonna stray. In return, the girl gets the attention, loyalty, and emotional/financial support and stability she values. That was then.

Nowadays, it seems women go after men the same way we go after them. The "hottest." They're perfectly entitled to do that, but that's not a sustainable model in my opinion. I've not seen many successful relationships where the man is objectively more attractive. He's gonna get more attention, have more options, and he's either not going to commit, or he will, but his odds of straying are greater.

Makes me wonder what the relationship landscape is going to look like 10 years from now if the trend continues.

Again, I'm all for equality. Far be it from me to tell anyone, male or female, how to live their lives. But if women want to use the same dating model we do, I don't know if it will yield the same results.

More adaptive "qualities" that western women are gaining, more and more they're attempting to acting like men.

(09-17-2015 05:13 PM)kaotic Wrote:  More adaptive "qualities" that western women are gaining, more and more they're attempting to acting like men.

And it doesn't work. We've all seen women try to "game us" in a sense and have it blow up in their face. Incredibly tone deaf moves like bragging about their number of casual sex partners or gushing about past sexual experiences. No dude is looking for that.

Again, I'm all for equality. But I can't think of a movement more counterproductive to its own self interests as feminism. At least what's considered feminism in this day and age. Simply unbelievable.

(09-17-2015 06:17 PM)Mister X Wrote:  Again, I'm all for equality. But I can't think of a movement more counterproductive to its own self interests as feminism. At least what's considered feminism in this day and age. Simply unbelievable.

You need to stop talking like this. There's no white knight and SJW judging you here, you are among a company of take-no-shit men. While are you still trying to justify yourself to fit in a politically fucked up narrative?

Regarding LTR's success rate, what I found common is that a LTR last long if both partners are equally unattractive, around 4-5 in SMV. They dont receive much attention and dont even know how to give it, so they both settle. Actually that's how it used to be. People settled and learn to love each other to raise children and have better life.

What also works well is if the guy really has game and wants to keep the girl.

Frankly though most LTR are fucked up... All LTR I know somebody cheated on somebody along the line, and they "forgive" each other, or the guy simply doesn't know.

Quality girls are rare but they exist. Needless to say we are not perfect either, so you need to see what weaknesses are acceptable. The thing is even the most basic quality you need from a girl is so hard to come by these days.

(09-17-2015 05:02 PM)Mister X Wrote:  Pondering some meta shit today.

A while back I read an article that said research shows the marriages that last the longest are the ones where the woman is objectively more attractive than the man. I don't know how accurate that is, but it stands to make sense. A guy would marry a girl of any social status, of any ethnicity or religion if he found her extremely attractive, and she had a feminine personality. If he feels like she's the hottest girl he's ever met or ever wants to be with, he's not gonna stray. In return, the girl gets the attention, loyalty, and emotional/financial support and stability she values. That was then.

Nowadays, it seems women go after men the same way we go after them. The "hottest." They're perfectly entitled to do that, but that's not a sustainable model in my opinion. I've not seen many successful relationships where the man is objectively more attractive. He's gonna get more attention, have more options, and he's either not going to commit, or he will, but his odds of straying are greater.

Makes me wonder what the relationship landscape is going to look like 10 years from now if the trend continues.

Again, I'm all for equality. Far be it from me to tell anyone, male or female, how to live their lives. But if women want to use the same dating model we do, I don't know if it will yield the same results.

This is a sacred thread my friend. We talk about our approaches and game here. Feel free to post about your day to day game adventures but leave your thoughts on feminism and relationships here: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-9856-...pid1113242

Had 2 ex-plates contact me within 24 hrs this week. One seems very interested in getting back in the rotation. As always, when it rains it pours.

I've been using one of my favorite restarts for girls that start to go a little cold and it has been working beautiful.

I say "Hey what's up?. You were in my dream last night."

Then I'll make up some dream or use one I had before and add their part that has subtle sexuality in it.

SOLID date tonight:

25 year old 7.5 Black Cutie from OKC (I'll need to see her naked to give her an 8 rating)

Number closed, she seemed new on OKC, no info either, took a chance.


She drove 35 minutes to meet me at my local go to venue. Pretty face, decent body, well dressed, and put together.

My gut was right, she's really new and deactivated her account - she claims I'm the first guy she's ever met from a dating app (hard to believe). I told her she was second girl I met and that she lasted past 15 minutes (told her a qualification story).


Went to a dive bar with live local music - hung outside over a drink and discussed various things.

She's open to music, lifestyles, she smokes weed occasionally, yet seems very reserved, conservative, she works in the medical field.

She found out my real age, I don't think she remembered my age on OKC luckily.

Overall I'd say we handled each other well, she played well with teasing even tossed some back, even better.

Spoke about a semi crew/gang (non violent/criminal) I'm apart of, my lifestyle, my views on life and death. She seemed very intrigued by all of it.

Dropped some red pill knowledge here and there which she agreed with. She digs live shows like I do and we used certain phrases that noone else uses - she loved that.

We had shit to talk about the entire time, it was refreshing compared to all the dud dates I've had lately. It was nice because she's not PC, has thick skin, and isn't offended.

I honestly didn't mind paying the tab at both venues (it was under $20 anyways). A drink at each bar, she ever OFFERED to split a whole 9 dollars.

It was weird, we kept bringing up "next time" and going to certain sports team venues, it's pretty weird we clicked.

I knew I wasn't getting the bang but I did make a rookie mistake, when I hugged her bye, I kissed her cheek, BUT I did go for a quick makeout, got a passionate makeout back, then I cut it short said bye and walked cooly away.

We'll see if it gets past the 1st date, not holding my breath at all. It's funny both Indian girls texted me when I was on the date complaining that I didn't text back fast enough

Overall, I look forward to hanging with her again, she's a weekend girl which might be a problem, but an excellent choice for a weekend plate which I don't usually do.

The bang is more than likely is going to happen at my place, she has horrible logistics, but let's not get ahead of my selves.

Looking forward to leg day and hanging out with the main LTR after work.

(09-18-2015 01:33 AM)kaotic Wrote:  I honestly didn't mind paying the tab at both venues (it was under $20 anyways). A drink at each bar, she ever OFFERED to split a whole 9 dollars.

It was weird, we kept bringing up "next time" and going to certain sports team venues, it's pretty weird we clicked.

This is how it should be. Might have found a keeper.

Quote:I knew I wasn't getting the bang but I did make a rookie mistake, when I hugged her bye, I kissed her cheek, BUT I did go for a quick makeout, got a passionate makeout back, then I cut it short said bye and walked cooly away.

What would you have done differently? Where were you, close to your house? Did you try to invite her in?

This is the crux of solid date game. It's possible to crush it on a date but not convert. And when it happens, it sucks.

LOL @theindianchicks. They must of encountered a hint of competition anxiety. Well played K.

Speaking of OKC, a whale messaged me today and made a joke about being fuck buddies...that's not it mane.

(09-18-2015 03:47 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  LOL @theindianchicks. They must of encountered a hint of competition anxiety. Well played K.

Speaking of OKC, a whale messaged me today and made a joke about being fuck buddies...that's not it mane.

Better than the drunk 40 year old land whale that approached a friend and I when we were out with two girls. She kept touching my hair and tried first to invite my bro back to her place then me. It was quite "creepy" as women would put it.

Red pill talk works very well with black girls.

Good shit kaotic

(09-18-2015 02:11 AM)redbeard Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 01:33 AM)kaotic Wrote:  I honestly didn't mind paying the tab at both venues (it was under $20 anyways). A drink at each bar, she ever OFFERED to split a whole 9 dollars.

It was weird, we kept bringing up "next time" and going to certain sports team venues, it's pretty weird we clicked.

This is how it should be. Might have found a keeper.

Well I'm definitely not thinking keeper, I'd say she has more potential than most girls.

Quote:I knew I wasn't getting the bang but I did make a rookie mistake, when I hugged her bye, I kissed her cheek, BUT I did go for a quick makeout, got a passionate makeout back, then I cut it short said bye and walked cooly away.


What would you have done differently? Where were you, close to your house? Did you try to invite her in?

This is the crux of solid date game. It's possible to crush it on a date but not convert. And when it happens, it sucks.

There was some LMR before we even met
-her being out that late to begin with
-her going to bed early, we got 2 drinks
-dropped bait about another round, I can tell she wasn't having
-she was ordering water
-she didn't drive with me to the next venue

She drove to me, my pad is less than a mile from the bars, but my gut knew it wasn't happening, I spent less than 2 hours with her and enjoyed it. No complaints on my end.

Obviously I made out with her, I haven't texted her back yet, I might tomorrow.

(09-18-2015 03:47 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  LOL @theindianchicks. They must of encountered a hint of competition anxiety. Well played K.

Speaking of OKC, a whale messaged me today and made a joke about being fuck buddies...that's not it mane.

Jesus christ, I'd of LOL'ed her and trolled her.

(09-18-2015 07:20 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 03:47 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  LOL @theindianchicks. They must of encountered a hint of competition anxiety. Well played K.

Speaking of OKC, a whale messaged me today and made a joke about being fuck buddies...that's not it mane.

Better than the drunk 40 year old land whale that approached a friend and I when we were out with two girls. She kept touching my hair and tried first to invite my bro back to her place then me. It was quite "creepy" as women would put it.

And they say girls can't be creepy, I'd mess with this girl also lol. I know 2 brothers that are twins that do this, but they'll tag team girls, it's hilarious.

(09-18-2015 10:47 AM)Mentavious Wrote:  Red pill talk works very well with black girls.

Good shit kaotic

For reals Menta ! I've had a pretty good record with attracting black girls, I remember reading an OKC survey that Brown Brothers (Indian) had a high probability matching with black girls. I also look latin so I do well with latin girls.

Yeah black girls don't take any shit, they eat up my being cocky and a loose cannon.

Question for the more skilled players than myself:

I got the number from a hostess at a restaurant that I occasionally go to. I've texted her twice but never got her out.

My question is what to do if I see her this weekend? My gut says to be pleasant and not mention the text exchanges at all.

I know someone is going to tell me to bring a hot chick with me to the restaurant. Unfortunately I do not have a harem. I am working on it though.

So if I play it cool do I bother texting her again at all?

Thanks.

Your gut is correct - in this case texting is a dead end

Don't mention it; it never happened

Do ramp up the aggressiveness, see what she's up to after work and go for the hangout

Be sure to watch for her reaction, and if she doesn't accept whether or not she offers up a alternative

I was walking to my house after gym, and a girl with an ok face (it's pretty cold in here so she had a lot of cloths, couldn't look the body) smiles at me and says hi, I do aswell, and her fucking 3 dogs start to bark at me, annoying little shits, she was screaming trying to get them back, LMAO, dog-blocked , I just kept walking, it seemed like it was her house so maybe I'll see her again

A girl from badoo whom I started to talk with the night before gave me her number and she pushed for a date the same day. I used to to have a nice ride so it's in my pictures but I sold it a few months ago. I call her to talk about the details of where we were going to meet, she was cute but again I wasn't sure about her body, I decided to go to her turf so I could bail easily if I didn't like her, and asked her how long was the bus ride, and she says "wait, u use the bus?", yeah, and she hung up instantly , I knew it was for that and went to wzp right away, she was online and within 10 seconds she blocked me, later she talked to me in badoo and said "I'm not so dumb to go out with someone as poor as u" LMAO, it's been years since I didn't have a car so it was quite a while the last time a girl talked to me like that, fucking gold diggers, she's a dental assistant (they only have to study 1 year in here for that) and is unemployed

we're having our national holidays so there are special events with typical food/drinks, and I went to one last night, I expected to see more girls but it was more of a family thing, so very few girls in there, I saw one that was sitting with a few friends that was now leaving, I made my opening, we talked very briefly and her cockblocking friends were approaching, so I ask for her number, she tries to give me her facebook and I reject it, said some witty line that has worked in the past but her friend grabs her arm taking her away from me. I return to my friend in the main area and there was a cute skinny security guard who was looking me the whole time but was with a couple male guards, I try to isolate her pointing a place with my finger but she doesn't comply, so I just go and ask her number but she gave me some bullshit excuse, can't remember what exactly cuz at that point I was kinda drunk, although I'm pretty sure by all the eye contact she digged me

man, can't catch a break..

I'll use the search function once I'm back home on a computer but....



Does anyone have a player phone? Burner phone just for chicks?

I want to dust off the old Nokia.

Having a separate phone helps me be better organized. All player activity goes to the same line, no confusion or complications.

Family and friends can reach me directly through my regular line that I also use for business. This way the two remain separate

It's my belief that chicks that come and go don't deserve to be a part of my everyday life.

(09-18-2015 08:45 PM)redbeard Wrote:  Does anyone have a player phone? Burner phone just for chicks?

I use a burner Android phone with the xPrivacy framework. This phone has a separate Line account, Skype, and the browser is used solely for online dating or viewing shit that the girls send me. It also has a separate SIM card and separate phone number.

This phone is locked using a passcode. The Blacklist application is used for 2 purposes:
1) Keeping a contact list for my girls
2) Controlling which girl can call me during what period (can be programmed)

I also use xPrivacy framework to spoof the GPS location / IMEI / serial (it doesn't change your IMEI, it just changes the data sent to applications, so it is perfectly legal). All pictures used on my fake Line / Skype / etc. are horizontal-symetried and tinted with Photoshop to prevent Google reverse image search from finding my real-life social profiles.

Matched with a girl on Tinder, a blonde with big tits She lives in another city so we haven't met yet.

She told me that she's been to Dubai several times.....

Don't kiss that one @MrXY.

@Kaotic @hwuzhere: I played along, saying something about making an appointment. She gave me her number.

Cliffs:

Whale is ready for my D.
I'm not into fat women but my dryspell has me tripping (added to contacts...have not text her yet).
I'd like to end my spell but not this way. Its too easy, but I can do better.
Need new DTF bitches attractive at normal weight.

Got a date tonight, let's hope I can make her become my FuckSock

I'm having trouble forcing myself to approach. It's not like I'm not horny, and it's not like these are horrible looking women.

It's weird, and I've been having this problem for nearly a month. Any advice?

(09-20-2015 12:22 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  I'm having trouble forcing myself to approach. It's not like I'm not horny, and it's not like these are horrible looking women.

It's weird, and I've been having this problem for nearly a month. Any advice?

Watch this. It's pretty motivational:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7HwmSX92ZY

Another tip is to just approach and ask them about something to get a conversation started. Approach without the intent of asking her out or hitting on her.

Just test for receptivity. If she seems happy you're talking to her, proceed. If not, eject...no skin off your back.

I'm in an approach rut.

It's not that I haven't been approaching. I have.

Just today, I approached 5 girls. The thing is, I'm not asking for phone numbers anymore. It's like I'm trying to avoid the pain of rejection.

Best approach today was a 8 or higher young Latina girl. Tall, thin, well toned. I direct approached and she lit up. Then, just as the conversation starts going well, her fugly friend she was waiting on showed up and I got cockblocked. Instead of going for the number, I just said 'nice to meet you' as she said the same and walked away, giggling.

I think I may be trigger shy due to the fact the last 4 or 5 times I've asked for a girl's number in the past few weeks, before I stopped asking for numbers, the girls have refused to give me their numbers.

During day game, I was striking up decent conversations, occasionally getting IOIs, then when I'd go for the number , I'd get " oh, I have a boyfriend" or the more blunt " I think I'll pass...but I'm flattered!"

I've never had such a long streak of asking day approaches for phone numbers and just flat out being told 'no'. I mean, even if you get a number, it's probably not going to lead to anything and that's bad enough.

But lately, I can't even get the dang number because they're not giving it to me.

So, as a result, I'm not asking for numbers now. It's as if I'm looking for any faint perceived slight from the girl for a reason not to ask for her number on my approaches. In other words, if I'm not getting the green lights I want, I just don't ask. Say I approach a girl and strike up a situational conversation like I did 30 minutes ago at whole foods asking a girl about her green smoothie:

* She doesn't take any of my bait and ask about me - I eject without going for the number
* She breaks eye contact on and off. I perceive that as a slight - eject without going for number.
* It seems like she kind of wants to walk away - eject without going for number.
* It seems like she's just forcing herself to be polite - eject without going for number.

I guess I don't like being told no so much, that I've stopped asking for numbers. Anyone else ever experience something similar in terms of inability/hesitant in going for the number? I gotta shake myself out of this rut, rejections be damned.