(09-16-2015 12:47 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 01:04 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 11:58 PM)N°6 Wrote:  However when we look at a map of migration within the EU, we see something about the UK that Farage is strangely silent about:



A few facts about India:

* It is the second most populated country on Earth;
* One-sixth of the world's population lives here;
* Its population surpassed one billion in 1998;
* It is projected to surpass China as the world's most populated country by 2025;
* More than 50% of its population is under 25 (65% below 35)
* Immigration to the UK is mostly from India

What's your point? There is no "Indian problem" in the UK.

No one said that there was an "Indian Problem" in the UK. There are clearly quantitative issues if the UK with its minute land-mass keeps importing people from a country that is set to be the most populated on Earth by 2025.

By trying to shame me into a qualitative argument, you contradict yourself by alluding that Pakistanis and Muslims can be judged negatively because the actions of a few. There is clearly no limit on how many people can be legally or illegally be imported from the Indian sub-continent or Africa - yet Farage is more comfortable at pinning the blame on socially conservative Poles which - for good or ill - the UK has reciprocal agreements with.

OK I get your point now. There is definitely a quantitative problem to deal with.

You are certainly right that we should be reviewing immigration numbers from Asia and Africa. Like you, I have always found it strange that Farage came down so heavily on the Poles.

I suspect that the reason for Farage's hesitation is simple. You can criticise white immigration without being labelled racist. That goes double for conservative white christians.

Bringing up the number of Indians or Africans coming is a more loaded topic. UKIP are already labelled xenophobic as it is, so Farage is walking on eggshells.

Either way, as an urgent priority, I do think that the qualitative issue is far more important. As you say, it may be a "small minority" of Muslims actually causing problems, but you'd be surprised by how many support their actions. This is beyond a theoretical demographical issue - it's becoming a threat to our society.

There are a significant number of British Muslims in the UK who are supportive of sharia law, jihad and even ISIS. These traitors in the latter category need to be identified, stripped of their British passports and swiftly deported. Drop them next to Saudi and let the Gulf states deal with them.

I don't understand why the politicians like Farage don't just throw it back at these assholes who call him racist. Call them degenerate ethnomasocists, anti-European culture, traitors. Trump is proving the best weapon is a to hit back twice as hard.

The people calling for unsustainable immigration levels have blood on their hands if they succeed because it will bankrupt the state and cause bloody conflict. He should say this too.

They are harassing his family, slandering him, etc.., the patriots of the west need to start fighting back.

I think that there are still many misconceptions here about the labor market and immigration.

I guess it might have been the brainwashing from the Reagan times where Americans, but also partly the Europeans in the 1990s forgot their great-grandfathers who worked in atrocious conditions usually in factory towns (US up until the 1970s) and fought bloody battles like the one of Blue Mountain for decent wages. The 1950-70s US was such a prosperous time because of highly unionized wages, extremely high average income compared to the upper ranks.



What many guys are missing is that every force needs a counter-force to reach a decent equilibrium. The power of the corporations and employers has to be met with a unified labor force that exerts good living wages. That is why a menial worker in the US up until the 1970s could get wages that would bring them above an income of 40-50.000$ US.

Anything that disrupts that balance will be detrimental to the bottom 98%. At first only the bottom rungs are affected (meat industry workers, gardeners, construction), but later on it impacts specialized highly educated IT workers (Disney example in another thread: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48214.html). A country within a given ethnic and cultural union does not owe any other people anything.

If the economy is booming at full throttle and there is negative unemployment, then refugees which assimilate well should be welcome, but those people would be hired for similar rates as the locals.

Anything else is just destructive. Currently we are in the West in a contraction cycle for the labor market and this won't stop for various reasons. So essentially whether you have low-level illegal immigration undercutting the labor pricing of the unskilled workers or whether you have highly specialized IT workers from India who replace American specialists - the end result is the same:

WEALTH GETS TRANSFERRED FROM THE 99,9% TO THE 0,1% and the local population is met with a massive decrease of prosperity. No one should deny that.

One example I know in the well-educated London city labor market is the wages which are extremely low compared to the costs of living - if I compare them for example to Switzerland. The city of London is a massive center for finance and global corporations, but wages often don't pass 60.000 Pounds - sometimes they go through 80-100.000 Pounds, but that is already considered good despite the living costs being higher than in Switzerland (certainly in terms of housing).

The reason for this is quite simple: The companies don't need to raise wages, since there is plenty of competitions from the entire EU as well as India - even China or Africa. Yes - the well educated highly intelligent cream from all over Europe applies for good jobs in London as well. Instead of 100-200 submissions for a good post you get 2000 in some cases - most of those guys top of their field in their respective countries. I know this since I speak with people in the industry. Headhunters are looking for people all across Europe now while in the past it was just locally.

The same goes on in a more brutal fashion with illegal immigrants or low-skilled legal immigrants. They may all be hard-working and kind people, but the fact is that the economic system cannot support them as it is now.

Sure - with an interest-free money system and all suppressed technologies released we may have an economic boom and have the jobs. But alas - if the elite would allow that, then they would probably first stop bombing countries like Syria or stop funding Al-Quaeda and ISIS. I cannot even explain how easy it is to stop all that crap.

Of course we have more fitting immigrants and less fitting in the Western Christian countries, but even without going into detail about the merits of all of them - any current immigration is simply not sustainable. Also it destroys the previous national unity as the new migrants feel little empathy for the previous culture.

In any case - we should stop trying to make up excuses or bring up little anecdotes of migrants who contributed to society. And I am saying this a son of two legal highly educated migrants (both my parents being engineers). I wouldn't want a guy like me entering. My parents would have made it without emigrating too. Or they would have moved elsewhere.

That said - we can all scream and holler about it. We won't change it, but at least we can be enlightened spectators, watch how the crap unfolds and make plans to live where we won't be affected by it negatively.

(09-16-2015 04:44 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  I don't understand why the politicians like Farage don't just throw it back at these assholes who call him racist. Call them degenerate ethnomasocists, anti-European culture, traitors. Trump is proving the best weapon is a to hit back twice as hard.

The older generation of the right-wing like Farage mean well, but they are stuck in a different paradigm, wanting to be accepted and terrified of being called racist. It's only now, and online, that the new generation is arising, that will go a lot further than the milquetoast babyboomers who surrendered everything to the cultural Marxists.

The blowback is coming, you can feel it in the air.

(09-16-2015 02:36 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  I'm slightly concerned that some of you American guys don't understand the difference between Mexicans and Syrians/Afghans/etc.

If all your Mexicans suddenly converted to Islam you'd get it.

Nah, Americans get it, believe me.

We're much further ahead in the multicultural experiment than you European guys are. We see its effects when cowardly politicians and self-righteous freaks celebrate these objectively inferior cultures coming en masse into our country and being allowed to flourish as nations within a nation. The changing demographics are being felt everywhere. Breitbart recently did a good expose on the influx in Virginia. Recently there was a commercial here in NYC entirely in Spanish.

You Europeans are standing on a similar cliff but with one important exception - the cultures that are coming in en masse are far, far inferior to the Mexican/Central American culture that's starting to make itself felt here in the US, and that's where the added danger lies.

I have to say I'm disappointed in Farage. He is right on the big issues, but he's too afraid of being called racist. Trump and to a lesser extent, Le Pen and Wilders show us how it's done. If Farage would just get some balls, it'd be a different story.

(09-16-2015 02:36 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  I'm slightly concerned that some of you American guys don't understand the difference between Mexicans and Syrians/Afghans/etc.

If all your Mexicans suddenly converted to Islam you'd get it.

Honestly, i'd rather have Mexican immigrants.

At least they're:
1. Hardworking
2. Catholic
3. have great food
4. mostly full families.

America is quickly becoming a spanish country. Honestly, it's not that big of a deal to me. I'd rather have that than Islamabad UK or Muhammidville France.
Regardless, now that I am living in the UK this Islam problem is something that concerns me.

(09-16-2015 03:47 AM)EL CHAPO Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 02:36 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  I'm slightly concerned that some of you American guys don't understand the difference between Mexicans and Syrians/Afghans/etc.

If all your Mexicans suddenly converted to Islam you'd get it.

Agreed. Americans as a whole do not understand the magnitude of this. Kind of reminds me a little bit at the cluelessness by the threat of Nazi Germany during WWII from America's perspective. But don't worry, this American gets it.

It will be the equivalent if say we switched sides. Instead of Mexico being our southern neighbor, we plug in Syria. Instead of El Salvador and Guatemala, we plug in Somalia and Afghanistan. Instead of Honduras we plug in Pakistan and Nigeria.

The American Southwest would be majority Muslim, and instead of the Catholic churches we would have Muslim mosques all over Texas, California, Arizona, and New Mexico. California would be majorly Muslim.

Not sure what you're trying to say here. It's apples and oranges in my opinion. Illegal immigration to the U.S. is bad because the largest narco state ever is being formed down south. It's full of paramilitaries trained by special forces and actual military who regularly behead, kidnap, rape, murder (mass graves), dynamite, and decapitate people. These are guys who think nothing of whipping a 13 year old with a belt to and starving him to get a ransom. They will tape dynamite to a 10 year old's neck and video it before blowing him up.

Anyone thinking i'm exaggerating about the dynamite: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8af_1434603237

Is this better or worse than a somewhat docile but active muslim insurgency? Can you really measure it per atrocity.

In the case of the U.S. you have a potential unlimited flood of narcoterrorists coming from south of the border. It's porous as fuck down south. Weapons come in and out. Drug shipment interception is still a joke. It's bad, real bad. America has every right to be alarmed. It hasn't spilled over into the U.S. yet because there's hasn't been a reason for the narcos to do that to but wait until these narcos roots themselves deep into the government of mexico itself and start infiltrating even U.S. government agencies with their cash resources.

After that, it's game over. Wait the U.S. west and southwest leans towards a certain demographic and where the prison gangs answer to a certain call..and the police and local government are gradually eroded, intimidated, or corrupted too. What does that resemble?

I'm not going to mince words I think most Americans are fucking idiots. If this were asia it'd be a media blackout, tanks, firepower, late night disappearances, and daylight deportion. No fucking around. You excise a cancerous tumor in the most straight forward way. There's definitely an insurgency going on on the borders.

A child refugee possibly Muslim. Notice the hand movement. If all of the refugees were children, couldn't they be a threat easily later on?

(09-16-2015 08:21 AM)kbell Wrote:  



A child refugee possibly Muslim. Notice the hand movement. If all of the refugees were children, couldn't they be a threat easily later on?

It's always been a historical oddity to me that these guys always love beheading so much when their people were subject to this more than not.

Mongols (Infidels!) beheading muslims is what probably made it a trend back then. Historically, the mongols beheading muslims started as a convenient way to tally up dead enemies and maybe an unoffical poll.

Just in, immigrants broke through the gate in Hungary, police is using tear-gas.

^^^ News confirmation:

   

They are using water cannons now, a military APC on standby near at the gate.

(09-16-2015 04:53 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  I cannot even explain how easy it is to stop all that crap.

This, really. If these negative developments in world politics and demographics were a necessary evil that we had to overcome somehow in order to make it out on top, then it would be much easier to bear. But the fact that this whole doomed situation is actively effectuated by a combination of malice and incompetence makes my blood boil. I somehow manage to comprehend all of what's happening but I just can't wrap my head around it. I mean in a sense that all of this is actually happening in reality. The obvious threat that's coming our way, the politicians and media promoting it and the deluded Lemmings welcoming the threat with a big self-righteous grin and open arms. It's just inconceivable.

(09-16-2015 04:53 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  make plans to live where we won't be affected by it negatively.

Yeah but the countries in which this is possible are becoming fewer every year. If nobody puts an end to this, no <30 year old can believe that he will be able to evade this shit till the end of his life. Already I find it hard to pick a country where insanity is still more than 10 years away from taking over. With this sudden invasion of Europe, those few countries will soon be full of white refugees, making it harder to migrate there as well.
I'm getting a feeling, as usually in life, running from those problems won't be very effective for long.

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(09-16-2015 07:57 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 03:47 AM)EL CHAPO Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 02:36 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  I'm slightly concerned that some of you American guys don't understand the difference between Mexicans and Syrians/Afghans/etc.

If all your Mexicans suddenly converted to Islam you'd get it.

Agreed. Americans as a whole do not understand the magnitude of this. Kind of reminds me a little bit at the cluelessness by the threat of Nazi Germany during WWII from America's perspective. But don't worry, this American gets it.

It will be the equivalent if say we switched sides. Instead of Mexico being our southern neighbor, we plug in Syria. Instead of El Salvador and Guatemala, we plug in Somalia and Afghanistan. Instead of Honduras we plug in Pakistan and Nigeria.

The American Southwest would be majority Muslim, and instead of the Catholic churches we would have Muslim mosques all over Texas, California, Arizona, and New Mexico. California would be majorly Muslim.

Not sure what you're trying to say here. It's apples and oranges in my opinion. Illegal immigration to the U.S. is bad because the largest narco state ever is being formed down south. It's full of paramilitaries trained by special forces and actual military who regularly behead, kidnap, rape, murder (mass graves), dynamite, and decapitate people. These are guys who think nothing of whipping a 13 year old with a belt to and starving him to get a ransom. They will tape dynamite to a 10 year old's neck and video it before blowing him up.

Anyone thinking i'm exaggerating about the dynamite: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8af_1434603237

Is this better or worse than a somewhat docile but active muslim insurgency? Can you really measure it.

In the case of the U.S. you have a potential unlimited flood of narcoterrorists coming from south of the border. It's porous as fuck down south. Weapons come in and out. Drug shipment interception is still a joke. It's bad, real bad. America has every right to be alarmed. It hasn't spilled over into the U.S. yet because there's hasn't been a reason for the narcos to do that to but wait until these narcos roots themselves deep into the government of mexico itself and start infiltrating even U.S. government agencies with their cash resources.

After that, it's game over. Wait the U.S. west and southwest leans towards a certain demographic and where the prison gangs answer to a certain call..and the police and local government are gradually eroded, intimidated, or corrupted too. What does that resemble?

I'm not going to mince words I think most Americans are fucking idiots. If this were asia it'd be a media blackout, tanks, firepower, late night disappearances, and daylight deportion. No fucking around. You excise a cancerous tumor in the most straight forward way. There's definitely an insurgency going on on the borders.

I never said illegal immigration was good. I think both situations are bad in Europe and in the U.S. I hope Trump wins so he can stabilize the situation. But if I had to choose between living with Muslims or Mexicans and other Latinos, i'd choose the Mexicans in a heart beat 10 times out of 10 for a few reasons.

1. For starters, its easier to end the narco state and the the threat of violence in Mexico. All you have to do is end the drug war and legalize marijuana. That's it. The U.S. is, by FAR, the biggest consumer of illegal drugs in the world which is the reason why these drug gangs are so powerful. The relationship between the CIA/DEA/US Government and Mexican cartels is widely known. We've been supporting and funding these crime lords for decades. End the stupid drug war and violence will stop. We just need the will to do it.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how you can stop radical Islamic Sharia law groups like ISIS from popping up because these guys cut your head off for religious purposes and its a whole ideology they rally behind. Mexican cartel gangs just kill rival cartel gangs. Also Muslims force and impose their religion onto you, and I can't say the same thing about the Mexicans.


2. Mexicans don't go out and shoot people or blow things up in the name of Catholicism or the virgin of Guadalupe.

3. Better food than the Muslim countries.

4. Mexicans are Christians.

5. Hot Latin women in Miami, New York, and Texas.

6. Shared history. The entire southwest United States belonged to Mexico only 160 years ago which is really not a long time. And given that, they're pretty good sports about it, at least the Mexicans I've met. The vast majority are here to work and coexist pretty peacefully. The majority have traditional, conservative values. You really couldn't ask for a better group to have around as immigrants.


Having said all of that, I believe still that illegal immigration in America is reversible only if Trump wins though. The traitorous left has sold out the country for votes and the Republican party is a mere token opposition, especially cucks like Jeb Bush. Those guys I really despise. Our only shot now is Trump.

I still feel our situation in America is far better than Europe's situation. We actually have hope. I'm not too sure about Europe.

Quote:Anyone thinking i'm exaggerating about the dynamite: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8af_1434603237

Yeah I'm not watching that.

This is a thread about the invasion of Europe by illegal Muslims, not Mexican illegal aliens in America

(09-16-2015 09:21 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  This is a thread about the invasion of Europe by illegal Muslims, not Mexican illegal aliens in America

Agree. Someone can start a new thread about it, or contribute to the Donald Trump thread.

If you're not talking about Europe and the migrant invasion in this thread, you're definitely off topic.

I read that the US is accepting 10k refugees. How exactly do they plan on getting them here? Charter planes? Navy? Or if they show up they can stay?

I read that it was 70k and then an extra 10k.

Since the posted Sky News Livestream isn't available in some countries, at least not here in Germany, here is the RT livestream:
https://www.rt.com/on-air/hungarian-bord...-refugees/

Damn I hope, Orban stays strong.

The laziest "pro" immigrant arguments you hear are BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DELICIOUS TACOS??!?! and WHO WILL CLEAN YOUR TOILETS/WASH YOUR PLACE? like people weren't able to take out their trash or clean their houses during the history of humanity until immigrants came along. Never mind that a garbage man or bus driver or blue collar worker could support his whole family with his blue collar wage in the past until droves of cheap labor came along and forced the wages down because of that.

Slovenian prime minister says the country will temporarily establish controls on its border with Hungary ~Reuters, 16/9/2015 16:40

(09-16-2015 09:42 AM)NO_LIMIT_CRACKA Wrote:  The laziest "pro" immigrant arguments you hear are BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DELICIOUS TACOS??!?! and WHO WILL CLEAN YOUR TOILETS/WASH YOUR PLACE? like people weren't able to take out their trash or clean their houses during the history of humanity until immigrants came along. Never mind that a garbage man or bus driver or blue collar worker could support his whole family with his blue collar wage in the past until droves of cheap labor came along and forced the wages down because of that.

Tacos, cheaper landscaping, "diversity" vs. knife beheadings, mass graves, and child kidnapping.

It really is such a hard choice to make man.

Again, this is a Europe thread, different immigrants.
edit; Do Europeans refer to their immigrants as aliens? ie, illegal immigrants/illegal aliens?

In Germany, they're referred to as either "refugees" or "asylum seekers" or "oppressed sources of cultural enrichment"