(09-08-2015 07:45 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Are their other European forums that are discussing this crisis as intently as we are?

I'm starting to get the feeling that the majority of Western Europeans are on board with multiculturalism and would attack us strongly if we attempt to white knight for them.

Look at these Dutchmen singing welcome songs to refugees at the airport: https://videos.files.wordpress.com/Yq73w...es_dvd.mp4

10,000 Icelanders offer to house Syrian refugees: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...-call.html

Western Europe seems too far gone to be saved, especially since the people don't seem to want to be saved. Only Eastern Europe has a chance, but even then, the nationalists are a small percentage of the population. Just the other day a Polish girl said how gay marriage is good, and she goes to church every Sunday.

In other words, I want to see some action that the European people are trying to save themselves. Otherwise, why put much energy to get involved? I'll grab the popcorn instead.

I did see some discussion on reddit ,

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comme...ons_about/

(09-08-2015 07:45 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Are their other European forums that are discussing this crisis as intently as we are?

I'm starting to get the feeling that the majority of Western Europeans are on board with multiculturalism and would attack us strongly if we attempt to white knight for them.

Look at these Dutchmen singing welcome songs to refugees at the airport: https://videos.files.wordpress.com/Yq73w...es_dvd.mp4

10,000 Icelanders offer to house Syrian refugees: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...-call.html

Western Europe seems too far gone to be saved, especially since the people don't seem to want to be saved. Only Eastern Europe has a chance, but even then, the nationalists are a small percentage of the population. Just the other day a Polish girl said how gay marriage is good, and she goes to church every Sunday.

In other words, I want to see some action that the European people are trying to save themselves. Otherwise, why put much energy to get involved? I'll grab the popcorn instead.

The default subreddit for Europeans, r/Europe is pretty much against this (except Germans). A few months ago this would not have been the case but the whole place took a hard right turn on the subject.

Most Europeans are against this as well, extreme examples notwithstanding. Danes turned back refugees, the UK and Netherlands are only taking hard luck cases from the camps, the French are not taking any, neither are the Czechs or Slovaks, Romania is using it as an excuse to enter Schengen.

I think the heat is rising. And it has nowhere to go but up. But it is ultimately up to Europeans voting in the right parties.

Kipling had a poem about the slow boiling hate of Europeans.

(09-08-2015 05:16 PM)offthereservation Wrote:  Where is Nigel when we need him.

Brexit campaign. Where he should be.

Here in the Iberian Peninsula people are mostly against it too. Though most do make the distinction between families that are actual refugees and the hordes of male economic migrants. I wouldn't say the MAJORITY of Western Europe supports this but rather, the media certainly filters and promotes the ones that do.

EU announcing 'mandatory' quotas today - despite multiple governments announcing they will oppose quotas: BBC News

Quote:European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker is due to announce plans to tackle Europe's worst migrant crisis since World War Two.

Under the proposals, 120,000 asylum seekers will be distributed among EU member countries, with binding quotas.

This comes after thousands of mainly Syrian migrants began trekking northwards through Europe this weekend.

Hungary has been warned to expect an additional 40,000 migrants by the end of next week.

Vincent Cochetel, a regional co-ordinator for the UN refugee agency UNHCR, also urged the Hungarian authorities to improve registration and reception procedures.
Hungary has become a key point on the journey north for the migrants, with more than 150,000 people arriving this year.

The authorities there are now reinforcing a border fence designed to keep migrants from entering from Serbia and are toughening asylum laws.

In a separate development Australia, which has been under pressure to do more to help displaced people, has announced plans to take in more Syrian refugees.

The government said it would accept 12,000 Syrian refugees from persecuted minorities.

'Important first step'

The migrant crisis and how to resolve it has exposed divisions within the EU.
The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland and Romania have opposed the idea of mandatory quotas.

On Tuesday, though, Poland appeared to soften its position. Prime Minister Ewa Kopacz said the country would accept more migrants than the 2,000 it first offered to take.

Germany has welcomed Syrian migrants, waiving EU rules and saying it expects to deal with 800,000 asylum seekers this year alone. Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel said his country could cope with 500,000 a year for several years to come.

The planned EU quota system would allocate 60% of migrants now in Italy, Greece and Hungary to Germany, France and Spain, reports say.

The numbers distributed to each country would depend on GDP, population, unemployment rate and asylum applications already processed.

Countries refusing to take in migrants could face financial penalties.

Also planned are measures to help the economies of countries in the Middle East and Africa, and deter people-smugglers.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Tuesday that quotas were an "important first step".

Speaking alongside the visiting Swedish Prime Minister, Stefan Lofven, she added that the EU needed an open-ended "system to share out those with a right to asylum".

The UN High Commissioner for Refugees, Antonio Guterres, has meanwhile labelled the EU's approach to asylum seekers "dysfunctional".

"It is clear that this is a serious crisis, but for me it is also clear that if Europe would be properly organised, it would be a manageable crisis. We are talking about 4-5,000 people per day, in a union that has 508 million people".

'Dysfunctional' approach

The mass migration has seen those seeking an end to persecution, conflict and hardship travel by boat, bus, train and on foot, from Turkey, across the sea to Greece, through Macedonia and Serbia, and then to Hungary from where they aim to reach Austria, Germany and Sweden.

Hundreds continued to cross on Tuesday from Serbia into Hungary, where there were scuffles with police and a protest against being registered, with migrants chanting "no fingerprints".

A Hungarian TV camerawoman was sacked after she was accused of deliberately tripping up a male migrant carrying a child.

The two migrants, who fell to the ground, were among dozens fleeing police during a disturbance near a registration centre at Roszke.

More migrants came northwards through Macedonia from the border with Greece.
The UNHCR says a record 7,000 Syrian migrants arrived in Macedonia alone on Monday and 30,000 were on Greek islands.

The Greek island of Lesbos has seen a build-up of 20,000 migrants, some living in squalid conditions while they wait to be processed.

The UNHCR meanwhile highlighted the growing scale of the challenge, releasing new figures that suggest it expects 400,000 migrants to have arrived in Europe by sea in 2015.

The majority are Syrian, and the UN says many are now seeking a better life in Europe because of poor conditions in refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon - caused in part because of a drastic shortfall in multilateral aid programmes.

Mandatory quotas! And they say that the EU is democratic.

We have a small Vietnamese community here that arrived 25 years ago.
They are getting pissed and speaking the loudest against "these damn barbarians".
Couldn't help myself, started smirking broadly.

I like the Vietnamese, they are the prime example of how to adapt as a new immigrants in a foreign country.

I have to be honest here, i've been following this for a while as my main girl lives in Germany. At first I was all for the refugees coming and european union helping. I thought everyone who was against it was racist bigots UNTIL I was watching CNN coverage and they interviewed a few refugees who made it all to obvious their entitlement complex. Complaining about everything and making it seem like the european people owed them something for coming all the way over. Made me angry and in that moment I immediate saw the other sides view points crystal clear. I wonder if the roles were switched would the refugees from the middle east be so open to taking the white infidels of europe by the hundreds of thousands with open arms.

What's even funnier is how the gulf states haven't excepted one fucking refugee and cite shit like them not signing the treaty agreement of refugees and worrying about safety as the main reason.
They then said they will/did donate millions to help, while probably sitting around laughing at the Europeans like

-CD

(09-09-2015 12:05 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  I have to be honest here, i've been following this for a while as my main girl lives in Germany. At first I was all for the refugees coming and european union helping. I thought everyone who was against it was racist bigots UNTIL I was watching CNN coverage and they interviewed a few refugees who made it all to obvious their entitlement complex. Complaining about everything and making it seem like the european people owed them something for coming all the way over. Made me angry and in that moment I immediate saw the other sides view points crystal clear. I wonder if the roles were switched would the refugees from the middle east be so open to taking the white infidels of europe by the hundreds of thousands with open arms.

What's even funnier is how the gulf states haven't excepted one fucking refugee and cite shit like them not signing the treaty agreement of refugees and worrying about safety as the main reason.
They then said they will/did donate millions to help, while probably sitting around laughing at the Europeans like
-CD

I had to make a bookmark folder titled Refugee Entitlement

(09-08-2015 04:45 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  The longer this goes on, the less time there is to enact a peaceful solution.



The tweet and the man behind it; Ace

"Extremist" is code for socially conservative AND fiscally conservative. You can be one but not the other before you trigger howls of derision for being a nationalist/ isolationist against the wisdom of the "International Community".

This tweet in fact represents the cause of this mess, it being the geopolitical strategy of the socially liberal and fiscally liberal Anglo Royal Institute of Foreign Affairs and the Council for Foreign Relations. Before every mass-bombing campaign, every invasion and every 'régime change', these Anglo élites always hearken back to Chamberlain at Munich, 1933 etc to justify yet more military action for the forces of international usury.

Germany may take 500 000 migrants per year for several years

Now, look at this from a game perspective. Currently the skew of arriving migrants according to UNHR is 75% male, 13% female, 12% children (despite the media portraying it as the exact opposite).
Let's assume that the skew lessens somewhat (I believe this is likely) and it becomes 60% male, 20% female, 20% children. So, essentially, 40% of those incomming in Germany will be single males. If 80% of them are in the below-35 year group (as I believe will be the case), that means that roughly 32%*500 000 ≈ 160 000 young sexless males will enter Germany per year.

Looking at https://stats.oecd.org for concrete statistics, here are the numbers per age and gender balance for Germany for 2012 (I don't see more recent data):
19 year olds - 441 000 males, 420 000 females
20-24 - 2 548 000 males, 2 422 000 females
25-29 - 2 544 000 males, 2 447 000 females
30-34 - 2 505 000 males, 2 438 000 females

So the current gender ratio in this category - which is the one we are interested in (and which has no doubt worsened slightly since then - there have been some immigrants there for the past year) - is 8 038 000/7 727 000 = 1.04 males per female which seems roughly natural. 311 000 sexless man (I am assuming 1:1 parity in sexlessness here because it's easier and it is actually a reality for the majority of the population).

Now, assume that 500 000 are indeed how many enter per year (it was pointed as the lower limit). Assume it lasts 6 years. That's by previous assumptions 960 000 new sexless males in this age cohort (I'm matching other male-female immigrants by each other for easier calculations). Holding everything else constant, that means a new ratio of 8 998 000/7 727 000 = 1.1644 males per female. That's dangerously approaching Chinese levels of gender imbalance (1.18 males per female) that are a result of selective gender abortions. That also means there will be now 1 271 000 sexless young males. How much more dangerous are 1 271 000 sexless young males than 311 000? How entitled will German women become?

So, essentially the German men (and probably all European men) will be cuckolded indirectly by their politicians (good job, liberalism).

Essentially, this is a policy that cannot be described as anything else but anti-European males.

I remember reading several years ago an article about Swedish men importing and marrying Thai women. Now, if the cultural marxists in the media were sincire about they 'blendda' up', 'colorblind' and 'feminist' ideology, they would be all for that because what it does is:
a) it moves women out of poverty in the third world
b) it creates more mixed-race children, future prime constituency of support for a colorblind society (as they have most to lose from a color-conscious one)
c) there is no easier way to normalize miscegenation in Europe than white men doing it in large numbers

Yet, the whole article was indeed very anti these men, painting them as opportunist exploitators instead of the victims of liberal culture (and soon pro-immigration demographics) that they really are and that forced them to do this.

Or, to paraphrase Vox Day, cultural marxists always lie.

In other words, my backup plan for learning Spanish and moving to South America in several years is already starting to unfold. I hope I won't have to resort to this but I don't intend to remain ruled by people who (for all practical purposes) hate people like me and will like to see us deleted from the face of this planet.

It's hard to even find words for the insanity which takes place in europe right now. In this video, the minister of Thüringen (a state of Germany) among a couple of citizen welcome the first train of "thüringer refugees". The video is in german but one highlight of the ministers speech:
"After they succeeded to pass throw Hungary and Austria, under tremendous difficulties, they have finally reached Thüringen. This is the best day of my life(!)"

At least the vast majority of the youtube commentators isn't as exited about their arrival as the minister is.


"Refugees were welcomed like rock-stars"

^^^

That's one dimension of this that the media will never touch. Nobody ever likes to talk about the fucked up gender ratios. If it were women who were outnumbering men, you'd hear about it nonstop. We do even now to an extent with college educated women complaining that there is a shortage of "good" men, even though the demographics couldn't be any better in their favor. Flooding countries with already fucked up ratios with hundreds of thousands of sexually frustrated men is going to cause a rape problem. I have to think that's at the root of the rape problems in Sweden. It's unbelievable to me how short-term people are in their thinking about these problems. And the extent to which people think with their hearts more than their brains.

As as aside, many of these migrants are not from Syria. Many are other Middle Easterners, South Asians and Africans that chucked their documents and are claiming to be Syrian so that they have the best chance of getting Asylum. I know someone that told me that West Africans often claim to be Eritrean for the same reason, hoping that nobody will notice the physical differences between east and west Africans. http://www.smh.com.au/world/migrant-cris...jggcn.html

Edit --

Also, can anyone in Europe tell me something...after all these men arrive. What happens? Where are they housed? Are they given free apartments? Do they get free money every month just because they showed up? Will they be given good jobs? What exactly is the plan for integrating them into the society as productive people?

I thought all that send "we need to procreate to save the White race are you with me?" joke stuff for a great online dating hook could work is now really going to become true. I was always a big fan of Heartiste and leaned a little away from what is perceived as his white power stuff - it seems to be becoming a bit too real to not give the strong nod.

Ah well karma for the Native Americans and all that.

(09-09-2015 01:26 AM)Travesty Wrote:  I thought all that send "we need to procreate to save the White race are you with me?" joke stuff for a great online dating hook could work is now really going to become true. I was always a big fan of Heartiste and leaned a little away from what is perceived as his white power stuff - it seems to be becoming a bit too real to not give the strong nod.

Ah well karma for the Native Americans and all that.

Anyone who grew up in a place with a sizable Native population probably doesn't feel very guilty about it.

(09-09-2015 12:05 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  What's even funnier is how the gulf states haven't excepted one fucking refugee and cite shit like them not signing the treaty agreement of refugees and worrying about safety as the main reason.
They then said they will/did donate millions to help, while probably sitting around laughing at the Europeans like

-CD

The EU is not democratic.

Second the rich gulf states are not taking in anyone. A few countries do, but they are not wealthy - Jordan, Lebanon, Algeria.

But at least the King of Saudi Arabia has offered to build 200 mosques in Europe so that the idiots can cuckold themselves socially - heh.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/fluec...89932.html

It's all a big joke to them really. Some of the Arab countries have a higher GDP per capita than many of the European ones.

In the German article one refugee family correctly stated that the "Arabs are the real infidels".

(09-09-2015 01:02 AM)johnfortunebg Wrote:  In other words, my backup plan for learning Spanish and moving to South America in several years is already starting to unfold. I hope I won't have to resort to this but I don't intend to remain ruled by people who (for all practical purposes) hate people like me and will like to see us deleted from the face of this planet.

Which country in S. America were you planning to go to? With only looking at a few countries, it looks like the gender ratio fuckup is international (ie. 15 and under, pre-marriage age starts at on average with 5% excess males, and the singles figure gets worse into the prime relationship ages).

Walked into my lounge room, Children of Men was on.

Thought it was a world news update.

(09-09-2015 01:18 AM)Caravaggio Wrote:  It's hard to even find words for the insanity which takes place in europe right now. In this video, the minister of Thüringen (a state of Germany) among a couple of citizen welcome the first train of "thüringer refugees". The video is in german but one highlight of the ministers speech:
"After they succeeded to pass throw Hungary and Austria, under tremendous difficulties, they have finally reached Thüringen. This is the best day of my life(!)"

At least the vast majority of the youtube commentators isn't as exited about their arrival as the minister is.


"Refugees were welcomed like rock-stars"

Fun fact, he is party member of "Die Linke" (the left), which essentially is the SED (party in power in GDR) mixed with some communists from West Germany.

His party was used to shoot at german refugees fleeing from their open air prison to the west.

(09-09-2015 01:25 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  Also, can anyone in Europe tell me something...after all these men arrive. What happens? Where are they housed? Are they given free apartments? Do they get free money every month just because they showed up? Will they be given good jobs? What exactly is the plan for integrating them into the society as productive people?

The situation in Austria and i guess in other EU-countrys looks like this:

When they arrive they are send to a reception center where their personal data is gathered and where they have to sleep, eat, spent their time. In the meantime every case gets examined whether Austria (or the country where the refugee is) is responsible for the refugee. After he gets approved, he will be moved to various housings all over the country. The goal is it to distribute the refugees equally, so every commune should take some (depending of their size more or less). Till now the mayors prohibited refugees to live in their respective towns, but due to the mass of people the federal gov. decided that mayors no longer have the right to decide whether they take refugees or not. Now the fed. gov. installed a couple of camps all over the country where the asylum seekers can stay. Either they go there or private persons let refugees live in their houses. They will get a bit of cash for doing this. They (refugees) get +/- 400€ a month depending on if they live in a state-side camp or in a private household, have a family, etc...

Now they have to wait till they get asylum, which usually takes a couple of months/if not years. They can work 3 months after their arrival but only in certain industries (e.g. agriculture). Nevertheless they will likely stay unemployed because we simply don't have the jobs and on top of that the refugees are mostly uneducated, don't speak the language, ………
In the meantime, they can attend language courses and lectures about "our values and how the communal live works/looks like" to accelerate integration. Haha

Whats the long term plan? -> my guess, there isn't one. At least i'm not aware of it.

I wonder how the refugees going to like the winter here in Europe. I think they will realize it is not all fun and games here either

I also have had to make a folder dedicated to Outgroup Altruism.

I like to think this is karma for Germany being the power behind the EU, but I also know this won't stay in Germany.

But a positive note: https://www.reddit.com/r/european/commen...m_germany/

Germans are not as happy as we have been lead to believe.

And, ultimately, it is good this happens earlier rather than later. I mean, could you imagine this happening in 2050 when the 11th hour is approaching?

Quote:

(09-09-2015 03:06 AM)captndonk Wrote:  The video is in german but one highlight of the ministers speech:
"After they succeeded to pass throw Hungary and Austria, under tremendous difficulties, they have finally reached Thüringen. This is the best day of my life(!)"

Fun fact, he is party member of "Die Linke" (the left)

Sum's it up nicely. A good pure example. Kind of like an arsonist grinning from ear to ear after torching a day care center. Actually that's a good term: a Leftist is a 'social arsonist'.

(09-09-2015 03:21 AM)Caravaggio Wrote:  The goal is it to distribute the refugees equally, so every commune should take some (depending of their size more or less)...

...mayors no longer have the right to decide whether they take refugees or not.

...private persons let refugees live in their houses.

Nevertheless they will likely stay unemployed because we simply don't have the jobs...

What's the long term plan? -> my guess, there isn't one. At least I'm not aware of it.

   
   

This is it, I finally found a girl worth marrying. For all the talk here of the decline of Western women, they're unfit for building families, etc. I have been proven wrong. I will be launching a social media campaign to track this heroic Magyar down and put a ring on it.