Post: #176

(09-01-2015 12:38 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  It's funny how I see americans so much more worried with the immigration issue than Europeans themselves. And with such radical fashion too. I presume Europe will turn into some sort of caliphate within the next 10 years because of these boat people.

I'm European, not American, and I'm worried about this issue

Quote:The approach is different regarding each groups. Syrian refugees are looked at in a more ...let's say, compassionate light.

I must be getting grumpier and less tolerant with age but even though I do feel bad for their situation and wish their country wasn't the mess it is I still don't want to see all these Syrians in Europe.

Post: #177

Well your flag

Europeans are worried about the issue too. Surely. But the catastrophic visions I see here almost always come from non Europeans.

"All these"?

"An estimated 9 million Syrians have fled their homes since the outbreak of civil war in March 2011, taking refuge in neighbouring countries or within Syria itself. According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), over 3 million have fled to Syria's immediate neighbours Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq. 6.5 million are internally displaced within Syria. Meanwhile, under 150,000 Syrians have declared asylum in the European Union, while member states have pledged to resettle a further 33,000 Syrians. The vast majority of these resettlement spots – 28,500 or 85% – are pledged by Germany."

Granted, the number will surely rise this year.

"You" don't want?! Why? Under what argument? Is Europe yours? Some will say these "Syrians" will be useless to "us". I ask, what is your use to this imaginairy "us"?!

Post: #178

(09-01-2015 03:01 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  "You" don't want?! Why? Under what argument? Is Europe yours? !

Hu? Of course this is simply my own personal view and in no way I can change whatever is happening, I'm just giving my opinion on the matter, so since when saying that I don't want to see them there means Europe is mine? I can also ask you the same thing, under what argument do you want to let them in?

(09-01-2015 03:01 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I ask, what is your use to this imaginairy "us"?!

I really don't understand what you're trying to say here.

Post: #179

The burden of proof is on you. Simple. And you still have provided no argument, why would you be against the entrance of Syrians, are you also against the entrance of all the other non-europeans? Because Syrians are a drop in the ocean if you compare to other migrants, why would you be opposed to their entrance and not to the entrance and permanence of dozens of other groups that are more represented than Syrians. You know , when you present an opinion it's also supposed to have some sort of argument.

Post: #180

Burden of proof?

I'm supposed to present an argument?

Do you think you're in a philosophy class? I'm simply sharing my opinion, I do not like what is happening in Europe, that's it. Sure I could write a huge dissertation about my reasons but I would do it if I felt like it, not because you're demanding it.

Post: #181

Presenting reasons and arguments as to why we don't like something and why it should not be this way is an important part of any serious discussion. But then again many here fling around ideological imprints recklessly and group-think logic gets them their own sort of groupies. In terms of these issues it's not at all a good place, too many underlying complexes to accomodate...

Post: #182

(09-01-2015 03:09 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 03:01 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  "You" don't want?! Why? Under what argument? Is Europe yours? !

Hu? Of course this is simply my own personal view and in no way I can change whatever is happening, I'm just giving my opinion on the matter, so since when saying that I don't want to see them there means Europe is mine? I can also ask you the same thing, under what argument do you want to let them in?

(09-01-2015 03:01 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I ask, what is your use to this imaginairy "us"?!

I really don't understand what you're trying to say here.

He's trying to pick an argument with you. Before you engage any further keep in mind he's a millennial libertarian with a chip on his shoulder. Check out his posting history.

Post: #183

And what would that "chip on my shoulder" be. The categorization of "millenial libertarian" is another interesting sweeping generalization.

Also, your commentary is irrelevant, there's no argument there too. I mostly argue for the sake or arguing. Syrians coming or not to Europe doesn't affect me in the slightest. But most have no logical reason to reject them other than the fear of the "Other".

Post: #184

(09-01-2015 03:43 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  And what would that "chip on my shoulder" be. The categorization of "millenial libertarian" is another interesting sweeping generalization.

Also, your commentary is irrelevant, there's no argument there too. I mostly argue for the sake or arguing. Syrians coming or not to Europe doesn't affect me in the slightest. But most have no logical reason to reject them other than the fear of the "Other".

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(08-21-2015 10:07 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I see no problem whatsoever with privatizations, but then again I am a libertarian.

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(08-22-2015 01:20 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  And the stereotyping of millenials is amazing. I'm a millennial and I've been in tons of fights, once I attacked three dudes because they skipped the line for the table football machine. High school, good timez.

You say you're a libertarian and a millennial, so it's not a "sweeping generalization." It's an accurate descriptor and you have a habit of going out of your way to hamhandedly try to pick arguments for the sake of argument, as you yourself admit, with other forum users.

It's nice you don't believe these immigrants coming to Europe affect you "in the slightest" but it will undoubtedly affect other users who live in these nations.

Post: #185

I've never denied being one. But I'm honored you took the time to stalk me . It is a sweeping generalization because you refer to it as an implicit negative trait. Simple. And what is the problem of arguments? Isn't that what the forum is for, too? I've never had a single warning based on arguments I have had here, with anyone. Arguing is good, even if you don't really agree with the cause you're defending. People could assume I'm "pro-immigration" when in fact I care very little about it. But I dislike seeing catastrophic and often ludicrous predictions being presented with NO DATA, NO SOURCES, NO METHOD. Mostly by simply appealing to the binary "us vs them" and the usage of archaic international relations terms which have since evolved since the world is less and less "black and white".

I don't have the right to say x person should be "compassionate" on my behalf and pay for any kind of support to these people. I don't even defend this kind of economic model nor the "welfare state". But this can be extended to all aspects of taxation and further redistrubition. And there's also the assumption that these immigrants won't "give back". In my country immigrants have a positive balance of 300 million euros in terms of what they give and take. This is a place for serious discussion and it bothers me to see that the arguments used are often those appealing to fear of what is different because it is different. But then again I suppose appealing to our primal side instills more vigorous and numerous action, acceptance and followers.

Post: #186

Oh no, a 'sweeping generalisation'.

Generalisations, or more accurately, the ability to see and understand trends, is what makes us difference from the average feminist or angry liberal. Next time if I'm accused of making a 'sweeping generalisation' I will just say 'yes I am and?'

We see trends in populations and the world and then we figure out the best course of action.

The average liberal kind of sees of hears about trends in populations, but quickly thinks 'no wait not all women/immigrants/whatever are like that'.

Then they try their best to ignore that, and even actively try to hide it by bringing up examples of someone who is the complete opposite of that stereotype.

They also use the racism or whatever ism word to stop you talking about it. They will start government funded campaigns to try and change the results of what they see. All of these people can't accept reality.

Most people here at RVF are realists rather than idealists, we see things as they are, not how they should be.

This is why I don't respect liberals, they still haven't grown up and seen people and the world for what it is and would rather shut their eyes and yell about how it should be.

Let's not pander to these reality deniers, if they can't accept generalisations, thats their problem.

Post: #187

I'm not a liberal nor an idealist. Your comment is irrelevant. Claiming to own reality is pretentious especially when that claim is supported by no credible argument other than attacking a position I do not adhere or claim to adhere. Irrelevant.

Post: #188

(09-01-2015 04:10 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 03:43 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  And what would that "chip on my shoulder" be. The categorization of "millenial libertarian" is another interesting sweeping generalization.

Also, your commentary is irrelevant, there's no argument there too. I mostly argue for the sake or arguing. Syrians coming or not to Europe doesn't affect me in the slightest. But most have no logical reason to reject them other than the fear of the "Other".

/thread-48479-...pid1095055

(08-21-2015 10:07 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I see no problem whatsoever with privatizations, but then again I am a libertarian.

/thread-49993-...pid1095916

(08-22-2015 01:20 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  And the stereotyping of millenials is amazing. I'm a millennial and I've been in tons of fights, once I attacked three dudes because they skipped the line for the table football machine. High school, good timez.

You say you're a libertarian and a millennial, so it's not a "sweeping generalization." It's an accurate descriptor and you have a habit of going out of your way to hamhandedly try to pick arguments for the sake of argument, as you yourself admit, with other forum users.

It's nice you don't believe these immigrants coming to Europe affect you "in the slightest" but it will undoubtedly affect other users who live in these nations.

The "illegal immigrants coming to Europe" do not affect him "in the slightest", because, to begin with, he can fight multiple adversaries at the same time. Maybe he can fight 250.000 Syrians, little-dark style?



Seriously though, people who say, Those millions of illegals coming to Europe don't bother me "in the slightest", say that... until some hundreds of Gypsies (or, God help them, sub-Saharans), masquerading as Syrians (or Erythreans), settle in their neighborhood.

Then, the leftists cry rivers of sour tears, but it's too late: their property (house, apartment) has no value left! And they can kiss their quality of life good-bye.

Easy to be cool and tolerant when the illegals are far away; but when they come to live in your neighborhood, wow, everything changes...

Post: #189

My neighbourhood has tons of african immigrants. They outnumber whites. Why should I care?

And I never said "those millions of illegals". Oh, and I have gypsies living within 1km of my neighbourhood. Do I like gypsies? Not really. Do I care much about their presence? Not really.

You should be careful with such hasty assumptions...

And the fear of the "Other" has been manifested once again. The usual retort to deviations from group-think here is also either mockery, false analogies, hypothetic situations and misrepresented arguments. Amazing

Post: #190

(09-01-2015 05:01 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  My neighbourhood has tons of african immigrants. They outnumber whites. Why should I care?

And I never said "those millions of illegals". Oh, and I have gypsies living within 1km of my neighbourhood. Do I like gypsies? Not really. Do I care much about their presence? Not really.

You should be careful with such hasty assumptions...

And the fear of the "Other" has been manifested once again. The usual retort to deviations from group-think here is also either mockery, false analogies, hypothetic situations and misrepresented arguments. Amazing

What's your ethnic background?

Post: #191

(09-01-2015 05:01 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  My neighbourhood has tons of african immigrants. They outnumber whites. Why should I care?

And I never said "those millions of illegals". Oh, and I have gypsies living within 1km of my neighbourhood. Do I like gypsies? Not really. Do I care much about their presence? Not really.

So, your stance in life is, "I don't really care". WTF-millenial generation...

Well, in my book, a red-pill man has a spine, and cares about things.

Anyway, I do think you are lying when saying:

"My neighbourhood has tons of african immigrants. Why should I care".

Because, if you were really living in a neighbourhood which has tons of african (mostly) illegal immigrants, there is no way that you would not care about this situation... Unless you are Gandhi reborn, or are stoned all day long, and/or never go out of your house... possibly all three options combined? : A mix of Gandhi and little-dark!...

Post: #192

Also, part of the reason you're offended by the millenial label, is because it has an element of truth to it. If someone called you a green alien you wouldn't be offended because it has no truth to it.

I'm technically a millenial, 26, but I feel so different from that stereotype, I'd laugh if that was used towards me, unless they were serious, then I'd wonder where I went wrong.

Your posts have loads of the annoying millenial traits. For fun, here are a few:

(09-01-2015 04:23 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I've never denied being one. But I'm honored you took the time to stalk me .

Trying to gain some sort of upperhand in the argument by saying 'you never denied it' and then making a joke that he 'stalked you'.

It is a sweeping generalization because you refer to it as an implicit negative trait. Simple.

Cool. Nobody cares, plus talking in an overly intellectual manner, in order to appear intelligent.

And what is the problem of arguments? Isn't that what the forum is for, too? I've never had a single warning based on arguments I have had here, with anyone.

No the forum is for discussion, suprised you haven't recieved a warning.

Arguing is good, even if you don't really agree with the cause you're defending.

No. That's what annoying millenials who think they're still in their debate or philosophy class do.

People could assume I'm "pro-immigration" when in fact I care very little about it. But I dislike seeing catastrophic and often ludicrous predictions being presented with NO DATA, NO SOURCES, NO METHOD. Mostly by simply appealing to the binary "us vs them" and the usage of archaic international relations terms which have since evolved since the world is less and less "black and white".

I don't have the right to say x person should be "compassionate" on my behalf and pay for any kind of support to these people. I don't even defend this kind of economic model nor the "welfare state". But this can be extended to all aspects of taxation and further redistrubition. And there's also the assumption that these immigrants won't "give back". In my country immigrants have a positive balance of 300 million euros in terms of what they give and take. This is a place for serious discussion and it bothers me to see that the arguments used are often those appealing to fear of what is different because it is different. But then again I suppose appealing to our primal side instills more vigorous and numerous action, acceptance and followers.

Ugh, just more of the wafflely language millenials use when they're arguing on the internet to try and seem more intelligent. Blah, blah, blah.

Plus overuse of "quotes" around "things that are unneccesary to quote" to get your "point" across.

Two meandering paragraphs that use a lot of big words.

I can't tell if you want to argue about this forum, what was said to you by someone else, immigration being a problem or whether you should argue about other peoples compassion.

(It's funny you buy the crap about they give your country 300mill euros more than they take, this takes into account skilled workers and people who have lived there for decades. Even if it does somehow help the economy, you would rather help the rich get richer through illegal immigration, than have a better running country? money isn't the only thing you should worry about.)

Post: #193

I am white, Dusty.

That's not an argument too. I don't care simply because they do not affect me. If someone affects my life negatively it is irrelevant for me whether they are an immigrant or not. I CARE about things. But not these, I'm not insecure and having people with different melanin near me is unimportant.

I didn't say they were illegal. I said this neighbourhood had tons of african immigrants, and it does. Mostly from my country's former colonies. And they don't bother me because... they don't bother me! haven't tried to rob me, haven't done anything to me. Surprise huh? I see a lot of fear in your commentary, fear of everything that doesn't conform with what you think... I'm sorry for ya mate.

And for the record, Gandhi was racist.

Post: #194

(09-01-2015 03:17 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  The burden of proof is on you. Simple. And you still have provided no argument, why would you be against the entrance of Syrians

Here's why, and, given your libertarian beliefs, you should understand this. Austrian Economics 101 - humans respond to incentives.

If you let these people stay, that will send the message to everyone else that they'll get to stay too. It's precisely what happened here in the mid-80's. There was an amnesty to the 2 million illegals here at the time and that was supposed to end illegal immigration. What happened? An exponential amount more came. Why? They had an incentive to come because they knew they'd get amnesty. Lo and behold, that's exactly what the left and the cucks want to do again.

It might not affect you now, but when your culture is overrun by third worlders you might think differently. I know libertarians don't think culture is relevant, so it might escape you, but you'll learn eventually.

What makes the libertarian stance on immigration so hilarious is that these people are decidedly un-libertarian, and when they are able to assert themselves you can kiss your libertarian society goodbye.

Post: #195

You can't tell a great deal of things. I've noticed. But you never lack assumptions. How very millenial of you.

(09-01-2015 05:19 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  Also, part of the reason you're offended by the millenial label, is because it has an element of truth to it. If someone called you a green alien you wouldn't be offended because it has no truth to it.

I'm technically a millenial, 26, but I feel so different from that stereotype, I'd laugh if that was used towards me, unless they were serious, then I'd wonder where I went wrong.

Your posts have loads of the annoying millenial traits. For fun, here are a few:

(09-01-2015 04:23 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I've never denied being one. But I'm honored you took the time to stalk me .

Trying to gain some sort of upperhand in the argument by saying 'you never denied it' and then making a joke that he 'stalked you'.

It is a sweeping generalization because you refer to it as an implicit negative trait. Simple.

Cool. Nobody cares, plus talking in an overly intellectual manner, in order to appear intelligent.

And what is the problem of arguments? Isn't that what the forum is for, too? I've never had a single warning based on arguments I have had here, with anyone.

No the forum is for discussion, suprised you haven't recieved a warning.

Arguing is good, even if you don't really agree with the cause you're defending.

No. That's what annoying millenials who think they're still in their debate or philosophy class do.

People could assume I'm "pro-immigration" when in fact I care very little about it. But I dislike seeing catastrophic and often ludicrous predictions being presented with NO DATA, NO SOURCES, NO METHOD. Mostly by simply appealing to the binary "us vs them" and the usage of archaic international relations terms which have since evolved since the world is less and less "black and white".

I don't have the right to say x person should be "compassionate" on my behalf and pay for any kind of support to these people. I don't even defend this kind of economic model nor the "welfare state". But this can be extended to all aspects of taxation and further redistrubition. And there's also the assumption that these immigrants won't "give back". In my country immigrants have a positive balance of 300 million euros in terms of what they give and take. This is a place for serious discussion and it bothers me to see that the arguments used are often those appealing to fear of what is different because it is different. But then again I suppose appealing to our primal side instills more vigorous and numerous action, acceptance and followers.

Ugh, just more of the wafflely language millenials use when they're arguing on the internet to try and seem more intelligent. Blah, blah, blah.

Plus overuse of "quotes" around "things that are unneccesary to quote" to get your "point" across.

Two meandering paragraphs that use a lot of big words.

I can't tell if you want to argue about this forum, what was said to you by someone else, immigration being a problem or whether you should argue about other peoples compassion.

(It's funny you buy the crap about they give your country 300mill euros more than they take, this takes into account skilled workers and people who have lived there for decades. Even if it does somehow help the economy, you would rather help the rich get richer through illegal immigration, than have a better running country? money isn't the only thing you should worry about.)

Post: #196

The libertarian stance on immigration? You are aware there are several, right? "When my country is overrun by third world illegals"... You are assuming that will happen, that doesn't mean it will. And who tells you I do not think culture is relevant? You are assuming certain things I have not confirmed. When you speak about incentives you ignore the economic incentives too while highlighting the social ones. I live in no libertarian society nor do I have any particular wish for my society to become libertarian. I'm more interested in my own "secession", so to speak.

What is it with people and assumptions today... And in the spirit of libertarianism you can check what Hoppe says about open borders. Do not paint all libertarians with the same brush. It's wrong.

(09-01-2015 05:20 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 03:17 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  The burden of proof is on you. Simple. And you still have provided no argument, why would you be against the entrance of Syrians

Here's why, and, given your libertarian beliefs, you should understand this. Austrian Economics 101 - humans respond to incentives.

If you let these people stay, that will send the message to everyone else that they'll get to stay too. It's precisely what happened here in the mid-80's. There was an amnesty to the 2 million illegals here at the time and that was supposed to end illegal immigration. What happened? An exponential amount more came. Why? They had an incentive to come because they knew they'd get amnesty. Lo and behold, that's exactly what the left and the cucks want to do again.

It might not affect you now, but when your culture is overrun by third worlders you might think differently. I know libertarians don't think culture is relevant, so it might escape you, but you'll learn eventually.

What makes the libertarian stance on immigration so hilarious is that these people are decidedly un-libertarian, and when they are able to assert themselves you can kiss your libertarian society goodbye.

Post: #197

(09-01-2015 05:20 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I didn't say they were illegal. I said this neighbourhood had tons of african immigrants, and it does. Mostly from my country's former colonies. And they don't bother me because... they don't bother me! haven't tried to rob me, haven't done anything to me. Surprise huh? I see a lot of fear in your commentary, fear of everything that doesn't conform with what you think...
And for the record, Gandhi was racist.

So, turns out you're not a cross of Gandhi and little-dark, but an unlikely cross of Yoda and little-dark...

Post: #198

Irrelevant again, not an argument. Error 404.

(09-01-2015 05:33 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 05:20 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I didn't say they were illegal. I said this neighbourhood had tons of african immigrants, and it does. Mostly from my country's former colonies. And they don't bother me because... they don't bother me! haven't tried to rob me, haven't done anything to me. Surprise huh? I see a lot of fear in your commentary, fear of everything that doesn't conform with what you think...
And for the record, Gandhi was racist.

So, turns out you're not a cross of Gandhi and little-dark, but an unlikely cross of Yoda and little-dark...

Post: #199

(09-01-2015 05:22 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  You can't tell a great deal of things. I've noticed. But you never lack assumptions. How very millenial of you.

LOL even your insults sound like something a woman would say. You clearly have been raised as a girl like a large amount of millenial males.

I can't tell a great deal of things... says the bitch who can't tell how immigrants 'simply don't affect me' LOL

It indirectly effects everything, schools, houses, jobs, community, culture, wages. But I'm not gonna go over all that for a bitch who's too stupid to understand.

It's always the stupid ones who try and fail at using big words, you're not fooling anyone.

And there you go getting upset over generalisations again "Dont paint all libertarians under the same brush. its wrong. wah". Refer back to my post for why they are useful, and not 'wrong' especially at RVF.

Post: #200

That is still not an argument. You saying so does not make it so. And you're already in the irrelevant bin and unlikely to come out so feel free to continue replying if you want to be ignored.