Post: #276

For anyone who hasn´t heard about it yet, this book is more relevant than ever and highly recommended:

The Camp of the Saints

Quote:The Camp of the Saints (Le Camp des Saints) is a 1973 French apocalyptic novel by Jean Raspail. The novel depicts a setting where in Third World mass immigration to France and the West leads to the destruction of Western civilization. Almost forty years after publication the book returned to the bestseller list in 2011.

Plot:
The Camp of the Saints is a novel about population migration and its consequences. In Calcutta, India, the Belgian government announces a policy in which Indian babies will be adopted and raised in Belgium. The policy is reversed after the Belgian consulate is inundated with poverty-stricken parents eager to give up their infant children.

An Indian "wise man" then rallies the masses to make a mass exodus to live in Europe. Most of the story centers on the French Riviera, where almost no one remains except for the military and a few civilians, including a retired professor who has been watching the huge fleet of run-down freighters approaching the French coast.

The story alternates between the French reaction to the mass immigration and the attitude of the immigrants. They have no desire to assimilate into French culture but want the goods that are in short supply in their native India. Although the novel focuses on France, the rest of the West shares its fate.

Near the end of the story the mayor of New York City is made to share Gracie Mansion with three families from Harlem, the Queen of the United Kingdom must agree to have her son marry a Pakistani woman, and only one drunken Soviet soldier stands in the way of thousands of Chinese people as they swarm into Siberia. The one holdout until the end of the novel is Switzerland, but by then international pressure isolating it as a rogue state for not opening its borders forces it to capitulate.

Another summary:

Quote:The theme of the book is based on a moral quandary: What steps will a liberal society take to preserve its way of life? Is liberal society too humane and compassionate to protect itself from those who would undermine and destroy it?

The story begins with a compassionate step taken by the Belgian government, which announces that, to mitigate Indian overpopulation, it will adopt Indian babies and have them raised in Belgium. But the consulate is overwhelmed by poverty-stricken parents, and Belgium rescinds the policy.

But then, almost spontaneously, nearly a million starving, disease-ridden boat people — men, women, and children — board an armada of old freighters and other vessels and set sail from the Ganges delta for Europe. The ships reach the French Riviera on Easter Sunday. Raspail makes it clear that this horde has no desire to assimilate into French culture. Instead, they seek the plentiful material goods that Europeans have produced and Indians have not.

In Raspail’s telling, the confidence of the West — which was once called Christendom — has been undermined by multiculturalism and the like. Accordingly, hardly anyone is willing to say that this flotilla must be stopped. Instead, liberals and Christians foolishly embrace the idea that the onslaught of migrants should be welcomed into the wealth and comfort of Europe. Indeed, the French military is directed to attack those who seek to resist the horde.

Very controversial, disturbing book. Sometimes called racist, and I can at least see why some people would say that. The author tends to get carried away in his descriptions of the filth, the depravity and the evil leading to the fall. He doesn´t give a singel shit about sensitive reader´s feelings or opinions.
But those parts ought to be seen as exaggerations to really drive the point home, in my opinion. Doesn´t dilute the message one bit.
I found it to be more horrifying than any other work of fiction I have ever seen or read.
Unfortunately, what has been read cannot be unread.

Find more reviews here.

Post: #277

@Celtic_Austrian Thanks, appreciate the recommendation, and it's very relevant, but just to let you know, the 'Camp of the Saints' and it's predictions and parallels with what we're seeing today, was brought up at the start of another thread earlier this year in relation to the Greek crisis and it's implications for Europe: /thread-46857.html

Post: #278

Cameron's "moral obligation"

Apparently we have a moral obligation to take in refugee's.

Does this mean Western governments have moral obligations to not undermine entire countries and send them spiraling into chaos that allows blood thirsty animals loose on the populace, their neighbours and our lands afterwards?

Syria was the result of Western influence. As was Syria, multiple African states, Afghanistan and other Middle Eastern states who underwent the Arab spring.

We are still in bed with the backers if Islamic State.

I will use my moral duty as soon as these idiots realise the cancer they spread is destroying entire countries. If it wasn't for Russia telling us to back off I have no doubt the fate of many civilians in that country would be fighting us instead of fleeing IS.

Fucking morons the lot of them. Not a single news agency is pushing this but instead racking up views of some dead child. For what its worth there are lots of pictures showing dead children washed up on beaches in the Med. Why did this picture make it?

Post: #279

I've lately been interacting with some Hungarian female reporters who are tweeting about developments.
I must say I'm impressed with the quality of their reporting, they come across as very fair, patient and objective, in a situation where it would be very easy to be judgemental.
Goes without saying that they're also quite photogenic and pleasant to chat with, which aligns with my previous limited experience with Hungarian women!

Post: #280

The story behind the dead boy on the shore (RIP) is coming to light.
Apparently the father wanted to move to europe to fix his teeth.
Also his family was already save in Turkey for 3 years with the father having a job.

https://www.britainfirst.org/syrian-boy-...d86f7e50c3

Post: #281

We know the pic of the drowning boy is pure propaganda:

http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2...vQ3mwO0PWg

Two more more children drown every day in the USA. Probably more European children drown every day as well. But of course it's only the migrant boys who matter

No sympathy for the children of Rotherham (and many other British cities) or Malmo

Post: #282

And this is what immigrants do when Hungarian police offers them food and water.
I see 99% men, no war stricken families.
They dont want to emigrate from war zone, they just want to immigrate to Germany / UK





This is a text that went viral on czech facebook, judge it by yourself.
Its just copy translate paste.
If you illegally cross North Korean border, you will get 12y of forced labor.
If you illegally cross Iranian border, you will be jailed (jail time limit unlimited).
If you illegally cross Afghan border, you will be shot.
If you illegally cross Saudi border, you will be jailed for years.
If you illegally cross Venezuelan border, you will be considered spy and your destiny will be unknown.
If you illegally cross Cuban border, you will be jailed for couple years.
If you illegally cross Chinese border, nobody will ever hear back from you.
If you are immigrant and you'll make it to Germany, Austria or Switzerland you will get:
-free health insurance
-prepaid mobile phone
-free health care
-money (up to 300€ per family per week)
-free language course
-free tickets for buses/trains
-child support
-free attorney

Just for comparison:
German unemplyed mother gets 179€ per child per month child support
Czech unemployed mother gets 25€ per child per month child support.

I don't want to offend anyone,flame or troll.
I just want to let you know what nobody tells you in the news.

EDIT: Sweden passes law to criminalize any criticism of immigration, sweet democracy!
source

Post: #283

(09-04-2015 05:31 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Angela Merkel is a great example of why women shouldn't lead. She lets her feels get in the way of reality.

She is also indecisive unless there is a consensus among the population

Post: #284

(09-04-2015 11:31 AM)UncleSam Wrote:  The story behind the dead boy on the shore (RIP) is coming to light.
Apparently the father wanted to move to europe to fix his teeth.
Also his family was already save in Turkey for 3 years with the father having a job.

https://www.britainfirst.org/syrian-boy-...d86f7e50c3

Isn't it interesting how the Left wants to beat its collective breast over a 3 year old child taken out of the waters a corpse, but has nothing to say about the commission of what is legal murder by Planned Parenthood taking the brains of a fetus out through the face.

Post: #285

German Television is broadcasting pro "refugee" propaganda non stop. It's disgusting.

Post: #286

Captndonk can you show us a few of those?

Post: #287

:huho, as an american, if I illegally immigrate to Germany I get all that stuff?

Post: #288

Sure, but of course you need to understand german. The "Tagesthemen" claims to be a News Journal, but all they do is using the pictures to impeach the "Fortress Europe".

http://www.ardmediathek.de/tv/Tagestheme...astId=3914

First they showed the picture of this dead syrian boy, of course not mentioning that he and his family where safe in Turkey. They say the boy died because of our inhuman policy.

Next the picture of some idiots in Hungary in order to show how brutal the hungarian police force is and that no refugee can't stay there. Of course on youtube one an watch the whole video and it's clear the police did nothing wrong there. These refugees simply behaved like 5year old girls.

And then a report about another boy - several minutes long - who currently lives at the railway station in Budapest, Hungary. Only to show the pictures of the boy and try to give the impression that the refugees consist mostly of families.

And they end with a comment again impeaching the "Fortress Europe".


And that is only one broadcast of many. Every News Journal an almost every newspaper reports in this way. Also every political discussion in the television is about refugees
, and there are always about 5 guests. Four of them are always pro illegal immigration and one has a moderate optinion. They don't even invite real opposition.
There are four major political discussions per week.

They even incorporated their propaganda in sports and entertainment shows.

Post: #289

This and "The End Of Europe" thread should be combined into one.
Basically the same subject of discussion.

Post: #290

(09-05-2015 08:32 PM)Fortis Wrote:  :huho, as an american, if I illegally immigrate to Germany I get all that stuff?

I was wondering the same thing and it could be a somewhat amusing experiment to get in the country legally then show up at the illegal immigrant "free stuff" station and claim you came in with the rest of the rabble. I assume ID is not a strict requirement so there's no way for them to verify who or where you're from anyways.

This might be a new gray method for a few RvF'ers who plan on staying long term in Europe to begin with.

Also it's ridiculous that if you overstay your legal schengen visa you can get banned from entering the E.U. again for years. Yet if you go in completely illegal you're greeted with chocolates, blowjobs, and free government shit.

edit:

Here's another scenario..what's to stop a serious international criminal on Interpol's most wanted list from showing up in one of these countries and then getting a completely fresh and _legal_ new identity and life just by entering in as an illegal? I bet cartels and organized crime groups are going to have a field day with this. These policies are seriously fucked and there's so many ways you could exploit it.

Post: #291

(09-05-2015 08:48 PM)captndonk Wrote:  Sure, but of course you need to understand german. The "Tagesthemen" claims to be a News Journal, but all they do is using the pictures to impeach the "Fortress Europe".

http://www.ardmediathek.de/tv/Tagestheme...astId=3914

First they showed the picture of this dead syrian boy, of course not mentioning that he and his family where safe in Turkey. They say the boy died because of our inhuman policy.

Next the picture of some idiots in Hungary in order to show how brutal the hungarian police force is and that no refugee can't stay there. Of course on youtube one an watch the whole video and it's clear the police did nothing wrong there. These refugees simply behaved like 5year old girls.

And then a report about another boy - several minutes long - who currently lives at the railway station in Budapest, Hungary. Only to show the pictures of the boy and try to give the impression that the refugees consist mostly of families.

And they end with a comment again impeaching the "Fortress Europe".


And that is only one broadcast of many. Every News Journal an almost every newspaper reports in this way. Also every political discussion in the television is about refugees
, and there are always about 5 guests. Four of them are always pro illegal immigration and one has a moderate optinion. They don't even invite real opposition.
There are four major political discussions per week.

They even incorporated their propaganda in sports and entertainment shows.

Thanks for the vid. I was able to understand enough of it.

My german friends all seem to have the same sentiment: that the german people will take anything the government dishes out and never ever fight back. Would rather be cuckolded than called nazis.

This media frenzy seems like something from V from Vendetta. Are these minority opinions in germany?

Post: #292

It's hard to talk about the majorities in this case. Among my friends 25% are strongly against the immigration, and the others want to help, but have simply no idea about the facts. If you ask further they reproduce some propaganda bullshit like "Germany needs immigration for it's health and welfare system" oder "we have to give them a new home because we sold some weapons to Africa". If you argue back the either shut up (most of the time) or get angry and call you heartless.

Post: #293

(09-05-2015 10:37 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 08:32 PM)Fortis Wrote:  :huho, as an american, if I illegally immigrate to Germany I get all that stuff?

I was wondering the same thing and it could be a somewhat amusing experiment to get in the country legally then show up at the illegal immigrant "free stuff" station and claim you came in with the rest of the rabble. I assume ID is not a strict requirement so there's no way for them to verify who or where you're from anyways.

This might be a new gray method for a few RvF'ers who plan on staying long term in Europe to begin with.

Also it's ridiculous that if you overstay your legal schengen visa you can get banned from entering the E.U. again for years. Yet if you go in completely illegal you're greeted with chocolates, blowjobs, and free government shit.

edit:

Here's another scenario..what's to stop a serious international criminal on Interpol's most wanted list from showing up in one of these countries and then getting a completely fresh and _legal_ new identity and life just by entering in as an illegal? I bet cartels and organized crime groups are going to have a field day with this. These policies are seriously fucked and there's so many ways you could exploit it.

I posted the answer to that, on the other, Europe Survival, thread:

International criminals just need 500 euros cash, to buy a false (or "true") Syrian passport in Istanbul, and then they can start a new life (of crimes, chances are) in Western Europe!

RE: The End of Europe

(Yesterday 04:37 PM)el mechanico Wrote:
I'm tempted to buy an Adidas jumpsuit and go follow the refugees around, then buss out my perfect English on hot chicks to stay at their places.


Apart from the infamous "Adidas jumpsuit" Dodgy, you'd need... a Syrian passport...

Well, you're in luck: those (false or true) passports are selling on the black market, in Turkey or even on the net, by the thousands...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34150408

"German customs officers have seized packages containing Syrian passports and police suspect they are being sold illegally to asylum seekers.

A finance ministry official said both genuine and forged passports were in the packets intercepted in the post.

Germany is letting Syrians register for asylum regardless of where they entered the EU. As refugees from the Syrian civil war, most have a right to asylum.

The passports can help fraudulent claimants to get asylum, the EU says.

The ministry official declined to say how many Syrian passports had been found in the customs checks. The German police are now investigating.

The EU border agency Frontex says trafficking in fake Syrian passports has increased, notably in Turkey.

A Frontex official, Fabrice Leggeri, told French radio station Europe 1 that "people who use these fake passports mostly speak Arabic.

"They may come from North Africa, the Middle East, but they have the profile of economic migrants," he said." (as opposed to real refugees)

So basically, everybody who speaks passable Arabic, and has 500 USD cash to buy a Syrian passport, can enter the EU and go live in Germany...

And even if you don't have a true-false Syrian passport, you can just ditch your ID papers and turn up "in Adidas jumpsuit" at Budapest train station, and you have free passage to Germany and a new life provided to you by the EU... Nobody actually checks your proficiency in Arabic language (and if they do, you may pretend to be deaf-mute "as a result of war wounds")

So well, as El Mechanico pointed out, only thing you currently need to resettle in the EU is, 25 USD to buy an Adidas jumpsuit...

Post: #294

(09-06-2015 06:45 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 10:37 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 08:32 PM)Fortis Wrote:  :huho, as an american, if I illegally immigrate to Germany I get all that stuff?

I was wondering the same thing and it could be a somewhat amusing experiment to get in the country legally then show up at the illegal immigrant "free stuff" station and claim you came in with the rest of the rabble. I assume ID is not a strict requirement so there's no way for them to verify who or where you're from anyways.

This might be a new gray method for a few RvF'ers who plan on staying long term in Europe to begin with.

Also it's ridiculous that if you overstay your legal schengen visa you can get banned from entering the E.U. again for years. Yet if you go in completely illegal you're greeted with chocolates, blowjobs, and free government shit.

edit:

Here's another scenario..what's to stop a serious international criminal on Interpol's most wanted list from showing up in one of these countries and then getting a completely fresh and _legal_ new identity and life just by entering in as an illegal? I bet cartels and organized crime groups are going to have a field day with this. These policies are seriously fucked and there's so many ways you could exploit it.

I posted the answer to that, on the other, Europe Survival, thread:

International criminals just need 500 euros cash, to buy a false (or "true") Syrian passport in Istanbul, and then they can start a new life (of crimes, chances are) in Western Europe!

There's nothing preventing a Mariel boat lift type situation either where foreign governments can just empty out their prisons of the worst criminals and send them to the E.U. Imagine if in the next two decades the E.U. gets a class of hyperviolent criminals like Miami did in the 80's.

Post: #295

(09-06-2015 04:55 AM)captndonk Wrote:  It's hard to talk about the majorities in this case. Among my friends 25% are strongly against the immigration, and the others want to help, but have simply no idea about the facts. If you ask further they reproduce some propaganda bullshit like "Germany needs immigration for it's health and welfare system" oder "we have to give them a new home because we sold some weapons to Africa". If you argue back the either shut up (most of the time) or get angry and call you heartless.

Unfortunately, I've heard similar things from my compatriots (the Spaniards). Last time I checked the government is still insisting on separating refugees from economic migrants so there is a very small amount of hope for Spain. Some towns and cities are practically asking for more migrants!

Passport bitch-slaps are needed to restore reason.

Oh yes, I'm so privileged you literally can't even.
Interested in joining the FFL? I tried (and failed).

Post: #296

Refugee flow linked to Turkish policy shift...
http://www.ekathimerini.com/201239/artic...licy-shift


Turkish PM... "... Christian fortress Europe..."
http://news.yahoo.com/turkish-pm-slams-r...NlYwNzcg--

Post: #297

I cannot imagine why Turkey keeps failing to join the EU.

It's not like their GDP per capita is lower than Greece's. I know that isn't Greece's problem but still, god damn.

Post: #298

(09-07-2015 01:09 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  I cannot imagine why Turkey keeps failing to join the EU.

It's not like their GDP per capita is lower than Greece's. I know that isn't Greece's problem but still, god damn.

Fact: Turkey's GDP per capita is lower than Greece's in all respects (PPP, Nominal)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...per_capita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...per_capita

Also, Turkey has never really been "European", in a cultural or geopolitical sense. Since the Middle Ages, Ottoman Turks have invaded Europe.

I understand if they want to join the EU for monetary/strategic reasons but it is not a natural thing to happen, as you seem to imply.

Post: #299

(09-07-2015 01:09 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  I cannot imagine why Turkey keeps failing to join the EU.

It's not like their GDP per capita is lower than Greece's. I know that isn't Greece's problem but still, god damn.

From the article above they are "looking the other way" re the refugees and helping to send them onward to Greece and the EU.

They are also guilty of massive human rights violations against their Kurdish minority. It's increasingly a one-party, Islamizing state as well.

There are tons of other reasons why Turkey should not be in the EU, free flow of labor included, so that's just the tip of the iceberg.

But there are even more reasons why the Euro and EU should cease to exist some day once the feminist/globalists are defeated.

Post: #300

(09-19-2015 05:22 AM)capote Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 01:09 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  I cannot imagine why Turkey keeps failing to join the EU.

It's not like their GDP per capita is lower than Greece's. I know that isn't Greece's problem but still, god damn.

Fact: Turkey's GDP per capita is lower than Greece's in all respects (PPP, Nominal)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...per_capita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...per_capita

Also, Turkey has never really been "European", in a cultural or geopolitical sense. Since the Middle Ages, Ottoman Turks have invaded Europe.

I understand if they want to join the EU for monetary/strategic reasons but it is not a natural thing to happen, as you seem to imply.

Sorry. I see now it was unclear I was being sarcastic. I know Turkey's GDP per capita is lower. And they are not European ethnically, culturally, and have been antagonistic throughout history.