Post: #26

(08-21-2015 08:19 PM)Virtus Wrote:  As Dalaran said in the original thread

(08-13-2015 04:43 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 04:05 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  I have to let her know because she'd then be out of this because she doesn't want to waste her time.

This question comes up all the time. I remembered being a noob and asking my mentor this. He laughed: why are you letting a woman dictate the term of your relationship?

I place the blame squarely on you
You fucked up. You wanted an LTR,
Yet
You set the fuckbuddy frame.
Fucking/seeing her once a week. etc.

What surety does that give a woman when the man can not even define the relationship clearly?

If you want an LTR you set that frame and she might follow.
If you want an mLTR you set that frame and she might follow.
If you want a FB you set that frame and she might follow.

She would not get upset at something that did not fit her preferred situation. She would just go try to find that.

You had a weak hand and she knew it. She asked you to commit and you reluctantly agreed but kinda sorta with a "pretty please with sugar on top would you kindly not fuck other dudes?"

You asked a weaker human being to be stronger than you. Why? Because you did not define your frame as the stronger one in any way.

To be honest, I did not see any possibility of a potential LTR future until about 1.5 months into dating. Although with that said, I didn't just fuck her like a fuck buddy. We cuddled and held hands and all that lame crap because it was what I needed after my other LTR fell apart. We also did activities together rather than just fucking but that's because I enjoyed her company.

I don't know if I agree with the setting a frame for the LTR thing. This contradicts what many have said previously in this thread and other threads and core tenants of game. I didn't go into it expecting a relationship and I certainly wouldn't set the frame for a LTR so early. Isn't one of the philosophies of game that it's the WOMAN who has to win over your commitment?

I think it's certainly a good way to dry up her panties if I'm the one setting an LTR frame so early rather than having her win it. She should be the one asking to see me more (she eventually did after about a month or 1.5 months). She should be the one asking for exclusivity. At least that's what everything I've read says.

And I never asked her "please don't fuck other dudes." I asked her if she was fucking other dudes before I went down on her and I said I don't care but just let me know so I won't risk HPV/teh Herp. If she did say yes, I would never have considered her LTR and would have kept her as fuck buddies. But she lied and gave me the impression that she was only seeing me so she's cut off. Early on, she was the person who voluntarily disclosed that she only went on 2-3 tinder dates before me. Then she told me she deleted tinder mid way through. And with my asking of her having fucking other guys, that info along with the other stuff and how intimate she was with me lead me to believe she wasn't doing anyone else. I never begged her not fuck other dudes.

Even if I did set a LTR frame early, what good would that do? She's still a liar and she still the type of girl who can fuck 2 cocks in a week and lie about it to the guy she's been seeing for about a month and a half and then keeps lying about it later on.

Post: #27

and I'm throwing out an idea here and maybe I'm wrong but I have no problem with a girl demanding exclusivity after dating a guy for 3 months.

On our forums and redpill areas, we often chastise sluts who get pumped by hot studs for 6 months at a time while getting no commitment from them. So if a girl is one of the "better" ones out there, and she decides that she won't give it up any further without commitment, are we also going to chastise her for that too? That makes no sense to me and it seems like a form of male hamstering.

At that point, it's up to the guy to maintain his frame imo. If he wants to keep banging without commitment, he can either lie and say he will commit, or he buys more time, or he can let the girl know that he's not down for exclusivity and be ready for her to walk. I certainly don't hold it against a girl for wanting something more serious at around the 3 month mark. It's only a problem if a guy gives in when it's not something that he wants to do just because he's scared of not being able to get other pussy.

I told her I would agree not to see other people but it doesn't mean we're bf/gf because I need to be sure of something and need more time before I jump into something serious.

Post: #28

If you want an LTR you state that you want an LTR but need to make sure and make her earn it, she has to work towards something. If you don't dangle a carrot for her to chase than she will not know to chase it. and you have no moral high ground.

As I read it you clearly wanted an LTR but you also wanted to fuck around while looking for the unicorn.
which is fine. but you also can imagine that the girl also wanted the same

But as a man I put the responsibility of setting frames on you.

Post: #29

(08-21-2015 08:44 PM)Virtus Wrote:  If you want an LTR you state that you want an LTR but need to make sure and make her earn it, she has to work towards something. If you don't dangle a carrot for her to chase than she will not know to chase it. and you have no moral high ground.

As I read it you clearly wanted an LTR but you also wanted to fuck around while looking for the unicorn.
which is fine. but you also can imagine that the girl also wanted the same

But as a man I put the responsibility of setting frames on you.

I see your point and one of my buddies called me out on that stating something similar.

I think I gave her enough because even though I actually didn't WANT a LTR with her, like I said earlier, I did not treat her like just a fuck buddy. She also knew that deep down, I'm against this whole tinder and "hook up culture" thing.

And like I said earlier, it's a valid view to see that she didn't actually technically cheat because we weren't exclusive and I may have slept with someone else too 1.5 months into if I had the opportunity but she would be in the right to cut things off if i did that. Just like how I cut things off because she got stuffed by another guy while being intimate with me for well over a month. I just don't want LTR a girl who can give herself up like that.

The clear cut moral high-ground though is the fact that she's such a good fucking liar (about something so serious) and that immediately disqualifies her regardless of whether or not she was in the right when she slept with that other guy. No amount of "framing" will change that about her and I'm lucky she fessed up so I gotta give her credit for that.

Post: #30

(08-21-2015 08:42 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  and I'm throwing out an idea here and maybe I'm wrong but I have no problem with a girl demanding exclusivity after dating a guy for 3 months.

On our forums and redpill areas, we often chastise sluts who get pumped by hot studs for 6 months at a time while getting no commitment from them. So if a girl is one of the "better" ones out there, and she decides that she won't give it up any further without commitment, are we also going to chastise her for that too? That makes no sense to me and it seems like a form of male hamstering.

At that point, it's up to the guy to maintain his frame imo. If he wants to keep banging without commitment, he can either lie and say he will commit, or he buys more time, or he can let the girl know that he's not down for exclusivity and be ready for her to walk. I certainly don't hold it against a girl for wanting something more serious at around the 3 month mark. It's only a problem if a guy gives in when it's not something that he wants to do just because he's scared of not being able to get other pussy.

I told her I would agree not to see other people but it doesn't mean we're bf/gf because I need to be sure of something and need more time before I jump into something serious.

what is with all the months an stuff? Can an individual, "one of the good ones" you mention want all that from day one?

And you lost your entire hand by agreeing to be monogamous without her being required not to fuck other guys. you told her that you need time.

Post: #31

(08-21-2015 08:52 PM)Virtus Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 08:42 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  and I'm throwing out an idea here and maybe I'm wrong but I have no problem with a girl demanding exclusivity after dating a guy for 3 months.

On our forums and redpill areas, we often chastise sluts who get pumped by hot studs for 6 months at a time while getting no commitment from them. So if a girl is one of the "better" ones out there, and she decides that she won't give it up any further without commitment, are we also going to chastise her for that too? That makes no sense to me and it seems like a form of male hamstering.

At that point, it's up to the guy to maintain his frame imo. If he wants to keep banging without commitment, he can either lie and say he will commit, or he buys more time, or he can let the girl know that he's not down for exclusivity and be ready for her to walk. I certainly don't hold it against a girl for wanting something more serious at around the 3 month mark. It's only a problem if a guy gives in when it's not something that he wants to do just because he's scared of not being able to get other pussy.

I told her I would agree not to see other people but it doesn't mean we're bf/gf because I need to be sure of something and need more time before I jump into something serious.

what is with all the months an stuff? Can an individual, "one of the good ones" you mention want all that from day one?

And you lost your entire hand by agreeing to be monogamous without her being required not to fuck other guys. you told her that you need time.

Dude, I agreed to be monogamous at the 2.5 month mark (last week) and she volunteered to be monogamous too. She slept with this guy at the 1.5 month mark. I never agreed to be monogamous at this point. The talk never came up at the time.

And another thing that repulses me is that the week before she fucked that guy, her and I raw-dogged (the only time we did). Even though we did that, she went and fucked another dude a week later.

Post: #32

(08-21-2015 08:42 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  and I'm throwing out an idea here and maybe I'm wrong but I have no problem with a girl demanding exclusivity after dating a guy for 3 months.

On our forums and redpill areas, we often chastise sluts who get pumped by hot studs for 6 months at a time while getting no commitment from them. So if a girl is one of the "better" ones out there, and she decides that she won't give it up any further without commitment, are we also going to chastise her for that too? That makes no sense to me and it seems like a form of male hamstering.

At that point, it's up to the guy to maintain his frame imo. If he wants to keep banging without commitment, he can either lie and say he will commit, or he buys more time, or he can let the girl know that he's not down for exclusivity and be ready for her to walk. I certainly don't hold it against a girl for wanting something more serious at around the 3 month mark. It's only a problem if a guy gives in when it's not something that he wants to do just because he's scared of not being able to get other pussy.

I told her I would agree not to see other people but it doesn't mean we're bf/gf because I need to be sure of something and need more time before I jump into something serious.

I think you'd be well served to get a better understanding of what "frame" is. Either you can learn that from this forum (and I suggest you READ more about it to gain an understanding...and post less until you do) OR you can keep getting emotionally pounded in the ass and wondering why.

There's a VAST wealth of knowledge and wisdom available to you on this forum. Don't waste it.

I'd go into more details with suggested reading threads but I've got to go choke & jungle fuck the shit out of a girl 15 years younger than me that can't stand "players" and is waiting

Post: #33

(08-21-2015 08:51 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  I think I gave her enough because even though I actually didn't WANT a LTR with her, like I said earlier, I did not treat her like just a fuck buddy. She also knew that deep down, I'm against this whole tinder and "hook up culture" thing.

And like I said earlier, it's a valid view to see that she didn't actually technically cheat because we weren't exclusive and I may have slept with someone else too 1.5 months into if I had the opportunity but she would be in the right to cut things off if i did that. Just like how I cut things off because she got stuffed by another guy while being intimate with me for well over a month. I just don't want LTR a girl who can give herself up like that.

The clear cut moral high-ground though is the fact that she's such a good fucking liar (about something so serious) and that immediately disqualifies her regardless of whether or not she was in the right when she slept with that other guy. No amount of "framing" will change that about her and I'm lucky she fessed up so I gotta give her credit for that.

She did not owe you shit. and the whole "being against tinder and hookup culture shit" is al kinds of shades of blue betaboy crap. its a jungle out there. we are regressing to the mean.

Hazard a guess why women like to be choked, slapped, rough fucked, abused by assholes and such. Why does Stockholm syndrome exists at all?

Because for the entire history of the human race that was what being a female creature entailed. A stronger Grok came in and killed a weaker Gruk and impregnated all the females that he could. those that did not enjoy all this shit did not get fed in the best case and were fucked and then eaten in the worst case.

X chromosome is masochistic. and only positively responds to the sadistic Y

also about knowing "deep down"

Post: #34

(08-21-2015 09:00 PM)Virtus Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 08:51 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  I think I gave her enough because even though I actually didn't WANT a LTR with her, like I said earlier, I did not treat her like just a fuck buddy. She also knew that deep down, I'm against this whole tinder and "hook up culture" thing.

And like I said earlier, it's a valid view to see that she didn't actually technically cheat because we weren't exclusive and I may have slept with someone else too 1.5 months into if I had the opportunity but she would be in the right to cut things off if i did that. Just like how I cut things off because she got stuffed by another guy while being intimate with me for well over a month. I just don't want LTR a girl who can give herself up like that.

The clear cut moral high-ground though is the fact that she's such a good fucking liar (about something so serious) and that immediately disqualifies her regardless of whether or not she was in the right when she slept with that other guy. No amount of "framing" will change that about her and I'm lucky she fessed up so I gotta give her credit for that.

She did not owe you shit. and the whole "being against tinder and hookup culture shit" is al kinds of shades of blue betaboy crap. its a jungle out there. we are regressing to the mean.

Hazard a guess why women like to be choked, slapped, rough fucked, abused by assholes and such. Why does Stockholm syndrome exists at all?

Because for the entire history of the human race that was what being a female creature entailed. A stronger Grok came in and killed a weaker Gruk and impregnated all the females that he could. those that did not enjoy all this shit did not get fed in the best case and were fucked and then eaten in the worst case.

X chromosome is masochistic. and only positively responds to the sadistic Y

also about knowing "deep down"

I'm not really sure what you're getting at here.

So are you saying that I should be okay her for sleeping with the other guy and for lying about it?

Post: #35

(08-21-2015 08:55 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  And another thing that repulses me is that the week before she fucked that guy, her and I raw-dogged (the only time we did). Even though we did that, she went and fucked another dude a week later.

The head of your penis evolved to scoop out sperm of competing males btw

Semen Displacement as a Sperm Competition Strategy in Humans

Post: #36

(08-21-2015 09:05 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  So are you saying that I should be okay her for sleeping with the other guy and for lying about it?

BetaNoMore Wrote:Dude, I agreed to be monogamous at the 2.5 month mark (last week) and she volunteered to be monogamous too. She slept with this guy at the 1.5 month mark. I never agreed to be monogamous at this point. The talk never came up at the time.

Are you ok with your waitress banging her manager?
Because you did not have a monogamy talk with her either at this point. you might in a month from now.

If you did not declare you expect a certain behavior you no right to be upset if you don't get that behavior.

In my limited understanding of the universe I have a reason to be upset if I expected something to happen and it did not.

If I did not expect to be hit by a car and I did while sitting in my bathroom on the second story of my house I should be pretty upset

If I walked into freeway traffic I should be upset if the car does not hit me

Post: #37

(08-21-2015 09:13 PM)Virtus Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 09:05 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  So are you saying that I should be okay her for sleeping with the other guy and for lying about it?

BetaNoMore Wrote:Dude, I agreed to be monogamous at the 2.5 month mark (last week) and she volunteered to be monogamous too. She slept with this guy at the 1.5 month mark. I never agreed to be monogamous at this point. The talk never came up at the time.

Are you ok with your waitress banging her manager?
Because you did not have a monogamy talk with her either at this point. you might in a month from now.

If you did not declare you expect a certain behavior you no right to be upset if you don't get that behavior.

In my limited understanding of the universe I have a reason to be upset if I expected something to happen and it did not.

If I did not expect to be hit by a car and I did while sitting in my bathroom on the second story of my house I should be pretty upset

If I walked into freeway traffic I should be upset if the car does not hit me

Well, the lying is enough to cut things off.

I guess the good thing here is people have different views on this forum. A lot of guys like kaotic earlier told me not to make excuses for her after I said she didn't technically cheat because we weren't exclusive.

You're saying I can't be mad because I never said it was exclusive. It also seems that you're saying I shouldn't have cut it off.

I suppose it would be a different situation if she never lied about fucking another dude but this is not the case.

Thanks for the perspective anyways.

Oh and re the blue pill mindset. I did confess to having a Disney-type romance. I am fully aware that it's a dog-eat-dog world out there and women are becoming more feral with the feminism and social media but I don't like it. Maybe I'll have to learn to accept it and shatter than "Disney" like dream once and for all. But even roosh laments on having to be a clown to get laid whereas back then, all his dad had to do was have a job.

Post: #38

Where did I say you should not have cut her off? All my beef is with you victimizing yourself. Oh and I can't blame the kettle for being black. Women lie readily about most anything. Yes you are the father.. I'm going to stay at Meghan tonight. . No we did not have sex with my bartender ex after I randomly bumped into him at a different bar and we had a drink and I ended up in his house and even though we slept naked in the same bed... Yes I was raped when I was... As the weaker creature she has all kinds of genetic reasons to lie when a bigger stronger creature is asking and might turn the lights out if he doesn't like the answer

Post: #39

Kaotic blew up the response in post #2 but let me just add this...

Quote:So I met this girl on Tinder 2.5 months ago and we had sex the first night. Didn't think it was serious but we kept meeting up and dating once a week (not just fucking, but actual dating stuff).

During the first few weeks of dating, she told me that she only went on a few Tinder dates prior to me and nothing happened. She talked about the last time she had sex which was "a long time ago" and since she was tested etc so I believed her.

This is not unique, this is like a hamster script. I had MORE online hoes than not tell me how they 'hadn't had sex in a long time' after I had banged them out within 45 minutes of coming in my front door.

Its like that guy from the duggar family. If girls go out of their way to tell you something, especially without being asked, the truth is likey the opposite.

Like if a bitch you were banging one day at breakfast just says casually "Let me tell you, I always take my birth control pills on time, I never forget them." without any prompting from you...that bitch had probably forgotten them the last 3 days in a row.

Post: #40

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Post: #41

god damn. guys. fuck this cunt

   

Post: #42

(08-21-2015 09:47 PM)Virtus Wrote:  BTW reverse the situation

You're fucking a girl for a few weeks, say a month and a half. once a week. and she comes over and blows you by her own accord and fucks you and likes to hold hands and cuddle afterwards and then goes away for the week. And you never told her you'll not fuck anyone else and she might have mentioned that she'd like you'd not fuck anyone while with her and yet said that she does not want to rush into anything just yet, she is enjoying your company. So it's been 6 weeks and you fucked/met this individual a total of maybe ten times

and then suddenly a piece of strange tail lands on your dick. and say a month after that your girl asks you to be exclusive, you agree and then a little later tell her you fucked someone else while you were still not exclusive.

....

IDK dude. idk

That is a good point and I tried to look at it from that POV to be consistent. My thought is that I would not be mad at her if she wanted to end things because she didn't want to be with someone who sleeps around a lot.

Now if she asked me if a few times after that to tell her if I had sex with anyone else before she performs oral on me and I lied to her and said no each time, and I lied to her again when asking for exclusivity, there is no way of justifying that.

Post: #43

(08-21-2015 09:51 PM)Virtus Wrote:  god damn. guys. fuck this cunt

wtf?

Post: #44

(08-21-2015 09:51 PM)Virtus Wrote:  god damn. guys. fuck this cunt

Even Hacker Factor doesn't claim the thing to be 100% accurate, but I was thinking much the same thing. Try some more posts through it and see what happens.

Post: #45

oh this is many posts

1378 words

women just "read" differently. after a while my troll sense begins to tingle so i check with it

below - analysis of the ROK article in my sig

   

Post: #46

Honestly man, this is bullshit. You're accusing me of being some chick who's trolling? It's poor that I apparently write with "female tendencies" but fuck, who the hell has time to plan an week-long elaborate troll job and make so many detailed posts. That gender analysis is only 60-70% accurate as well so there's obviously a huge margin of error.

Anyways, thanks to the guys for spending time to give me some good insight.

Post: #47

Here's some paragraphs from one of roosh's articles http://www.rooshv.com/do-women-improve-t...es-of-men:

   

Quote:What a girl does help me out with is my animalistic need for sex. She will come over, open her legs, demand I pull her hair and fuck her hard, and then allow me to get an orgasm or two. I welcome these orgasms, and won’t complain about them, but for most of the girls I date, most of whom were raised with Facebook and have better smartphones than me, there is no other way she improves my life beyond that. She does not provide me with entertainment, caretaking, emotional support, meaningful companionship above that of male friends, or useful advice that matches even 10% of the level that I provide for her, and so the main benefit I receive is the sexual release that occurs in the present moment. This means that if a woman is on her period, she’s a liability to me as a human being since the costs of spending even one hour with her now outweigh the benefits, and there is no reason to see her instead of simply waiting the four days until her period is over.

Casual dating is a modern invention that is completely foreign to my own parents. They simply can’t comprehend the insane levels of promiscuity that women are seeking without the need for genuine connection. My mother has no clue how women can’t even perform a scrap of male caretaking like she so effortlessly can on myself and my dad (while they were married). There is nothing in the culture today that is teaching women how to take care of their man, how to stand by their man, how to make him feel like the man, and so men have no choice but to view them as a temporary set of flesh and bones attached to an extremely pleasurable vagina that they can’t be authentic towards and who may not give him more benefits than owning a loyal dog.

Women have so taken for granted our attention, affections, and efforts that we have been forced to become the emotionless robot they want to see us as just to get sex from them, just to make the overall interaction a slight net gain in our favor that makes it at least worth pursuing in the first place.

It’s so easy for a woman to make me happy that I’m almost embarrassed to tell you what it is. On every other date she can bring me a little trinket or piece of chocolate. She can wear tasteful feminine outfits that make me feel proud to display her on my arm. She can leave her phone on silent and give me her undivided attention, asking me about my day and any challenges I’ve had to overcome. She can ask me for help that uses my physical strength or intelligence. She can come to my apartment and try out an experimental drink or food recipe she found on the internet. She can give verbal declarations of affections that show I’m important in her life. She can leave both me and my living space in a better condition than before, so that I’m eager to see her again.

Post: #48

Seriously Virtus, stop derailing the thread. That thing isn't 100% accurate. This is retarded.

Post: #49

(08-21-2015 10:33 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  Here's some paragraphs from one of roosh's articles http://www.rooshv.com/do-women-improve-t...es-of-men:

And when you run the entirety of Roosh's article, instead of a couple of selected paragraphs, it comes out with a male result.

And one might note that the analysis gets stronger the more text you have. You pulled 500-odd words. The whole article is 1676. The analysis run earlier in the piece is on 1378 of your words.

Quote:It's poor that I apparently write with "female tendencies" but fuck, who the hell has time to plan an week-long elaborate troll job and make so many detailed posts.

Women. Specifically, trolling SJWs. As we've seen on this site before.

Post: #50

(08-21-2015 10:52 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:33 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  Here's some paragraphs from one of roosh's articles http://www.rooshv.com/do-women-improve-t...es-of-men:

And when you run the entirety of Roosh's article, instead of a couple of selected paragraphs, it comes out with a male result.

And one might note that the analysis gets stronger the more text you have. You pulled 500-odd words. The whole article is 1676. The analysis run earlier in the piece is on 1378 of your words.

Quote:It's poor that I apparently write with "female tendencies" but fuck, who the hell has time to plan an week-long elaborate troll job and make so many detailed posts.

Women. Specifically, trolling SJWs. As we've seen on this site before.

Dunno what to say. Probably not the best that I wrote like a woman but nothing I wrote in my post was super trolly to begin with.

Maybe it has something to do with the content of what I was writing or I don't know. But I'm not a fucking troll/a woman.

edit:

Here's a 723 word article from roosh: http://www.rooshv.com/horniness-solves-s...e-problems

   


It's not so cut and dry. Hell, a SJW feminist probably wouldn't even be able to navigate this this attachment system and post up screen shots.