Post: #151

(08-02-2015 03:40 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  No, I mean that women who are completely shielded from consequences of their decisions end up making terrible decisions, such as fucking thugs and other guys who give them tingles and will never stick around, divorcing and breaking up functional families, and so on.

The total number of fucked up childhoods produced by those is much bigger than the number that is avoided by abortions.

Ok, and I agree. Let's focus on raising quality women who won't have to ride around on the bad boy carousel and who won't make bad choices when it comes to men....but I think you understand this ship has sailed in the West.

Post: #152

(08-02-2015 08:14 AM)lido Wrote:  

So they birth live babies, and then kill them just for parts?

I thought they sold the parts of aborted fetuses and embryos.

Can anyone clarify this for me? I got lost along the way among all the strong emotions.

Post: #153

(08-02-2015 03:26 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 03:20 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Ironically, the complete absence of consequences (either emotional, financial or physical) caused by legal, free and unstigmatized abortion results in many more babies being raised by deadbeat parents and becoming a drain on society, than the number of such babies that is actually destroyed by abortion.

This irony is caused precisely by your stubborn refusal to even consider moral factors.

What kind of consequences would you recommend be implemented to discourage abortions?

Are you serious? It wouldn't even be a challenge for a first world government to end abortion.

Simple. Either:

A. Put young girls on mandatory birth control (Skyla), which is become easy and unobtrusive, as part of the national health-care scheme.

B. After the first child out of wedlock, women are put on mandatory birth control (if they are caught without they then are penalized welfare benefits). If a woman has another child, then she should be sterilized in exchange for welfare benefits.

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The entire idea that women can just slut it up, have as many kids as they want, murder the ones they don't want, and have the government pay for the rest is pure fucked up nonsense.

Abortion ONLY exists because the people in power are sick fucks who want the option to murder children for other ends. The idea we need abortion for population control is a non-sequitur.

Post: #154

(08-02-2015 07:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Abortion ONLY exists because the people in power are sick fucks who want the option to murder children for other ends. The idea we need abortion for population control is a non-sequitur.

Hyperbolic statements hinder rational discourse. Nobody's "murdering" children. A child is a human between the stages of birth and puberty. A fetus and/or embryo is not a child, yet. We went over this a few pages ago.

kaotic Wrote:There's a lot of emotions surfacing in this thread man.

Why do people care so much about this? As a forum of players, we should be overwhelmingly pro-abortion, since abortion frees us of a potentially unwanted responsibility, enabling us to continue gaming indefinitely with less obstacles.

I've seen highly-repped members who should know better putting forth the most asinine non-arguments. It's mind-boggling. Just scroll up on the previous page and view the posted memes for a quick example of what I'm talking about.

Handsome Creedpy Eel Wrote:Ironically, the complete absence of consequences (either emotional, financial or physical) caused by legal, free and unstigmatized abortion results in many more babies being raised by deadbeat parents and becoming a drain on society, than the number of such babies that is actually destroyed by abortion.

I don't understand this reasoning. Doesn't abortion mean that the child isn't born? How does the lack of consequences for abortion lead to more children being born? Shouldn't this lack of consequences encourage people to abort more?

Post: #155

(08-02-2015 09:40 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 07:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Abortion ONLY exists because the people in power are sick fucks who want the option to murder children for other ends. The idea we need abortion for population control is a non-sequitur.

Hyperbolic statements hinder rational discourse. Nobody's "murdering" children. A child is a human between the stages of birth and puberty. A fetus and/or embryo is not a child, yet. We went over this a few pages ago.

We did go over this a few pages ago and you got destroyed pretty badly:

(07-29-2015 04:52 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 03:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Actually there's nothing emotional about this, currently if a man murders a pregnant woman the man is charged with double murder. But if a woman murders her own fetus, it's an abortion.

It's a person when the woman needs it to be and it's a clump of cells when suckers need to be fooled.

(07-29-2015 03:42 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  If she wants it, it's a human being. If she doesn't, it's a parasitic clump of cells.

That is crazy female "logic" that's been codified into law.

It's murder if it's a person, yes. But if it hasn't been born, it still is a fetus and not yet a baby. So it's technically not murder.

Yes, it's a moral grey area and up for debate, I'll recognize that.

From a player's perspective, abortion gives you the opportunity to avoid paying a fortune in child support payments and prevent baby mama drama going forward. Sure, you should have worn a condom or at least pulled out, but you still have a chance to undo your mistake.

No one responded to this because it made no sense and you didn't offer any counter-arguments. "It's a moral grey area" = you have no arguments.

There isn't any grey once you get honest, however. There is a living being inside of the womb that we all came out of and any denial is:



There's no emotions from me, but there are plenty of emotions from the guys who don't want to admit they killed their child just so they wouldn't have to pay child support. Sorry if the truth hurts, but killing your children is evil.

Post: #156

Exactly. There should be almost no abortion given our advancements in birth control.
Abortion happens because people are fucking lazy! I know people so damn lazy they wont reach over, grab a condom, tear it open and put it on. Much easier to roll the bitch over and fill her full of cum and then wait for the missed period. On the female side, it is too much to ask some women to take a pill the same time every day. Too much work.
These lazy fucks should be on the Depo shot.
The uterus should be a happy place, not a death chamber.

Post: #157

(08-02-2015 10:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  We did go over this a few pages ago and you got destroyed pretty badly:

(07-29-2015 04:52 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 03:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Actually there's nothing emotional about this, currently if a man murders a pregnant woman the man is charged with double murder. But if a woman murders her own fetus, it's an abortion.

It's a person when the woman needs it to be and it's a clump of cells when suckers need to be fooled.

(07-29-2015 03:42 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  If she wants it, it's a human being. If she doesn't, it's a parasitic clump of cells.

That is crazy female "logic" that's been codified into law.

It's murder if it's a person, yes. But if it hasn't been born, it still is a fetus and not yet a baby. So it's technically not murder.

Yes, it's a moral grey area and up for debate, I'll recognize that.

From a player's perspective, abortion gives you the opportunity to avoid paying a fortune in child support payments and prevent baby mama drama going forward. Sure, you should have worn a condom or at least pulled out, but you still have a chance to undo your mistake.

No one responded to this because it made no sense and you didn't offer any counter-arguments. "It's a moral grey area" = you have no arguments.

There isn't any grey once you get honest, however. There is a living being inside of the womb that we all came out of and any denial is:



There's no emotions from me, but there are plenty of emotions from the guys who don't want to admit they killed their child just so they wouldn't have to pay child support. Sorry if the truth hurts, but killing your children is evil.

You did respond to that, and I replied in turn. It seems your emotions are messsing with your memory. Peep this:

/thread-49075-...pid1076132

and

/thread-49075-...pid1076549

I did put forth arguments several times throughout this thread. I even explained the difference between killing and murder, which you apparently read and it explains why you adjusted your language for this particular post I'm quoting.

Please point out where I get 'destroyed pretty badly'. I didn't do a such a bad job to be honest.

By the way, "Moral grey area" refers to your own personal stance regarding abortion from a moral standpoint. Do you think it's disgusting and wrong and it shouldn't be allowed? That's very noble of you - and I mean this without sarcasm - but you don't get to redefine science and law and tell me it's "murdering a child".

Post: #158

Killer Joe Wrote:I don't understand this reasoning. Doesn't abortion mean that the child isn't born? How does the lack of consequences for abortion lead to more children being born? Shouldn't this lack of consequences encourage people to abort more?

No, you misunderstand what I want to say. Maybe I explained it poorly. Let's put it this way:

Imagine that there are 10 000 children being born every year, and out of those there are 1000 children who will end up having fucked up childhoods and become alcoholics/druggies/SJWs.
Out of these 1000, let's say 500 of these are women sleeping with thugs and 500 are due to women mistreating good men and divorce-raping them.

So you introduce legal and nonjudgmental abortion and abort 500 of these 1000 (probably all of those that would have been born to thugs). 500 less fucked up childhoods, that's great right?

However, with the wave of "you're not responsible for your actions!" and "there is no such thing as morality!" message washing over them, women on average start acting more and more recklessly and, being free from consequences, become free to surrender to bestial instincts. They sleep with more thugs, and their repulsion to nice beta guys increases.
(and this is not to mention that a woman who has slept around and had an abortion is a ticking time bomb, just waiting to divorce rape some hapless beta as well)

The next year, there are 900 women sleeping with thugs and 900 women divorcing. You ramp up the abortions to 700 per year by making them free as well.

In several years, as the ethos of personal irresponsibility becomes widespread and subsidized, there are 10 000 women sleeping with thugs and 20 000 women divorcing, and no matter how much ramp up abortion can you keep up with the enormous increase. The number of broken childhoods and lives has outpaced your ability to abort them.

You throw in the towel and innocently wonder "gee, how did the society become so fucked up?"

The end.

Moral of the story: there are plenty of good reasons to keep abortion legal and affordable, but "reducing number of fucked up childhoods" is not one of them.

Post: #159

(08-02-2015 10:48 PM)rpg Wrote:  Exactly. There should be almost no abortion given our advancements in birth control.
Abortion happens because people are fucking lazy! I know people so damn lazy they wont reach over, grab a condom, tear it open and put it on. Much easier to roll the bitch over and fill her full of cum and then wait for the missed period. On the female side, it is too much to ask some women to take a pill the same time every day. Too much work.
These lazy fucks should be on the Depo shot.
The uterus should be a happy place, not a death chamber.

You do realize rawdogging is one of the core tenets of this forum?

Post: #160

(08-03-2015 07:07 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 10:48 PM)rpg Wrote:  Exactly. There should be almost no abortion given our advancements in birth control.
Abortion happens because people are fucking lazy! I know people so damn lazy they wont reach over, grab a condom, tear it open and put it on. Much easier to roll the bitch over and fill her full of cum and then wait for the missed period. On the female side, it is too much to ask some women to take a pill the same time every day. Too much work.
These lazy fucks should be on the Depo shot.
The uterus should be a happy place, not a death chamber.

You do realize rawdogging is one of the core tenets of this forum?

Yes, with all of us viewing it as a high-risk, guilty-pleasure type of behaviour that requires great self-control, and disastrous consequences if it goes wrong; not as some blanket permission to be irresponsible and vacuum any side effects into oblivion.

I have never met a man saying "I rawdog because if she gets pregnant she'll just have an abortion". Have you?

Post: #161

(08-03-2015 07:22 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Yes, with all of us viewing it as a high-risk, guilty-pleasure type of behaviour that requires great self-control, and disastrous consequences if it goes wrong; not as some blanket permission to be irresponsible and vacuum any side effects into oblivion.

I have never met a man saying "I rawdog because if she gets pregnant she'll just have an abortion". Have you?

So, what is it that you anti-abortion guys want exactly? You've already said yourself that it's a good idea to keep them legal. What's next?

Post: #162

I'm not anti-abortion. I realize abortions are going to happen no matter if it's outlawed or not, so in that case we might as well make it legal and prevent the additional deaths and fallout from amateur abortion procedures. It's similar to what St. Augustine said - you have to accept something as a lesser evil, because if you suppress it, it's only going to get worse.

Quote:"[Prostitution] in towns is like the sewer in a palace; take away the sewers, and the palace becomes an impure and stinking place."

However, in return for this understanding and tolerance, the proponents of abortion owe it to everyone to treat it as an option of last resort - i.e. to be responsible about it and seriously consider the [moral, emotional, economic and social] magnitude of an act like abortion.

Here are some things that might be considered violations of this solemn social contract:

- Selling parts of dead fetuses to whomever offers the most so some dried up cunt can buy a Lamborghini
- Attention whoring by filming your abortion and posting it on YouTube
- Elevating abortion from an act of necessary evil to a universal human right
- Promoting abortion for racist and eugenic purposes
- Dilluting and extending the term "abortion" to include everything and anything, including killing the child after it's born or during childhood

In the best case, we should appeal to abortion proponents to tone it down and stop with these violations.
In the worst case, we should just ban abortion and anything related, because as shown in the examples above it is extremely prone to a slippery slope and its users will never take it seriously.

What we definitely shouldn't do is just roll over and pretend that these violations are cool and abortion is awesome.

Post: #163

(08-03-2015 08:18 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  What we definitely shouldn't do is just roll over and pretend that these violations are cool and abortion is awesome.

All reasonable points, HCE. But I've yet to see a woman openly celebrating an abortion, despite my strong support of it. Unless we're talking about crazed feminists, most women who go through abortions view it as a somber process and nothing to get excited about.

I'm still laughing my ass of about you hardened alphas and players choking up over this issue though.

Post: #164

(08-03-2015 07:07 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 10:48 PM)rpg Wrote:  Exactly. There should be almost no abortion given our advancements in birth control.
Abortion happens because people are fucking lazy! I know people so damn lazy they wont reach over, grab a condom, tear it open and put it on. Much easier to roll the bitch over and fill her full of cum and then wait for the missed period. On the female side, it is too much to ask some women to take a pill the same time every day. Too much work.
These lazy fucks should be on the Depo shot.
The uterus should be a happy place, not a death chamber.

You do realize rawdogging is one of the core tenets of this forum?

Pulling out and having her finish it in her mouth. Golden. Every time.

Post: #165

(08-03-2015 09:21 AM)rpg Wrote:  Pulling out and having her finish it in her mouth. Golden. Every time.

I like your idea, but people don't live in porno flicks. That's just too uncomfortable and requires too much body re-positioning.

If I'm in the pussy, I'm staying there.

Post: #166

(08-03-2015 08:35 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 08:18 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  What we definitely shouldn't do is just roll over and pretend that these violations are cool and abortion is awesome.

All reasonable points, HCE. But I've yet to see a woman openly celebrating an abortion, despite my strong support of it. Unless we're talking about crazed feminists, most women who go through abortions view it as a somber process and nothing to get excited about.

I'm still laughing my ass of about you hardened alphas and players choking up over this issue though.

Shit, you're so alpha that you could be a 4th trimester abortion doctor and take those unwanted babies out of the birth canal and throw them into a wall like Peyton Manning practicing a quick snap touchdown drill.

Thats Joran Vander Sloot level player right there.

The thing is that some people regard fetuses as human babies and so that's why they get choked up over their death. Thats why 'people are getting all emotional' on this thread vs. a "this burrito is delicious but filling" approach to unwanted pregnancy.



I would be happy with any approach that reduces abortions. Like someone else posted, there is so much birth control out there that abortions are just being lazy...again like the burrito.

If there is ever cheap, male 'raw dog' aka chemical, birth control I bet you abortions will drop immensely as every man, beta and player would be on that and there would be no benefit to "oops'ing" it to 'entrap' a woman given skewed child support law and single parent welfare.

Post: #167

I'll tell you what I think the issue is: you guys want to bring these cute and cuddly babies into this world but then once they're born, you stop giving a shit. Then once they're 18 and choosing a liberal arts major in college, you start saying "Fuck this idiot, he/she is gonna be a drain on society!!". That's when you hear the "My taxes are paying for this?!!" bullshit floating around. And this is the best case scenario. Chances are these unaborted kids are gonna be involved in drugs or crime once they grow up. Ok, but this is what you wanted right? You wanted to bring that kid in because WAAAAAAAHHH babies are humans and abortion is murder! WAAAAAAAH!!

You don't give a flying fuck about these fetuses.

EDIT: I also sense that guys here are psychologically uncomfortable with the fact that abortions are normally a WOMAN'S choice. The way I look at it, if it's part of her body, it's her decision.

Post: #168

(08-02-2015 10:48 PM)rpg Wrote:  Exactly. There should be almost no abortion given our advancements in birth control.
Abortion happens because people are fucking lazy! I know people so damn lazy they wont reach over, grab a condom, tear it open and put it on. Much easier to roll the bitch over and fill her full of cum and then wait for the missed period. On the female side, it is too much to ask some women to take a pill the same time every day. Too much work.
These lazy fucks should be on the Depo shot.
The uterus should be a happy place, not a death chamber.

Yknow, awhile back I had an epiphany. I saw a statistic that said that around ~50% of born children are the result of accidental pregnancies. If you couple that with the fact that close to 99% of women have used some birth control and the fact that almost all women are on the pill during their most fertile times of their lives. Then you end up with the realization that women can't, or won't, take a fucking pill the same time every day for whatever reasons. Maybe they are just stupid, maybe they are trying to trap a man with a child. Who knows. Either way, it is either that or companies are hugely lying about the efficacy of birth control. If used right, the birth control pill and other types like the shot or IUD are pretty much 100%. Even if a pill is missed or some other problem comes about, then they still have an incredible success rate which doesn't add up to the 50% unplanned pregnancy stats.

No, something else is going on here. My guess is that either women want to get pregnant deep down for some reason, biological instinct/trapping a man/getting benefits/whatever, or they really are incapable of managing the most trivial aspects of their life like simply taking a fucking pill at the same time each day.

Post: #169

(08-03-2015 10:09 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  I'll tell you what I think the issue is: you guys want to bring these cute and cuddly babies into this world but then once they're born, you stop giving a shit. Then once they're 18 and choosing a liberal arts major in college, you start saying "Fuck this idiot, he/she is gonna be a drain on society!!". That's when you hear the "My taxes are paying for this?!!" bullshit floating around. And this is the best case scenario. Chances are these unaborted kids are gonna be involved in drugs or crime once they grow up. Ok, but this is what you wanted right? You wanted to bring that kid in because WAAAAAAAHHH babies are humans and abortion is murder! WAAAAAAAH!!

You don't give a flying fuck about these fetuses.

No one wants more drug addicts or liberal arts majors. However, I also believe that abortion is not a tool to be used to obtain that solution.

Clearly many other problems in this world can also be solved by human extermination as well so why not advocate for those? My wife irritates me and is a financial burden...wife abortion!

Both the pro abortion and anti abortion folks agree that fewer unwanted pregnancies are better, its just the MEANS that those ends are achieved that are in disagreement. Abortion being the specific, contentious, means of achieving that end.

Better male birth control is certainly a means that I do support.

Post: #170

(08-03-2015 10:35 AM)Troll King Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 10:48 PM)rpg Wrote:  Exactly. There should be almost no abortion given our advancements in birth control.
Abortion happens because people are fucking lazy! I know people so damn lazy they wont reach over, grab a condom, tear it open and put it on. Much easier to roll the bitch over and fill her full of cum and then wait for the missed period. On the female side, it is too much to ask some women to take a pill the same time every day. Too much work.
These lazy fucks should be on the Depo shot.
The uterus should be a happy place, not a death chamber.

Yknow, awhile back I had an epiphany. I saw a statistic that said that around ~50% of born children are the result of accidental pregnancies. If you couple that with the fact that close to 99% of women have used some birth control and the fact that almost all women are on the pill during their most fertile times of their lives. Then you end up with the realization that women can't, or won't, take a fucking pill the same time every day for whatever reasons. Maybe they are just stupid, maybe they are trying to trap a man with a child. Who knows. Either way, it is either that or companies are hugely lying about the efficacy of birth control. If used right, the birth control pill and other types like the shot or IUD are pretty much 100%. Even if a pill is missed or some other problem comes about, then they still have an incredible success rate which doesn't add up to the 50% unplanned pregnancy stats.

No, something else is going on here. My guess is that either women want to get pregnant deep down for some reason, biological instinct/trapping a man/getting benefits/whatever, or they really are incapable of managing the most trivial aspects of their life like simply taking a fucking pill at the same time each day.

I think its a combination of being idiots and doing it on purpose.

When I was in college I remember reading the big folded instructions that come with birth control pills and I got panicked. I remember asking my girlfriend "have you read this! do you do this, that etc?" and she said "no, i haven't read that, my doctor told me how to take it"

Birth control pills are not only specific that they must be taken every day, but also taken at the same TIME every day and there is a pretty sizeable list of things that interact with birth control that reduce their efficacy, like cough medicine. Bitches never read/know or think about that.

Last, birth control manufacturers fuck up every so often to, there was a 'bad' batch of Yazmin in 2005 and the FDA statement was something like "this serial # batch may not be as effective" You'd think 'less effective' birth control would be recalled...no.

Post: #171

TigerMandingo, perhaps I am not your target audience, but I can assure you a few things...

You're right, I don't 'care' about the fetuses like I care about friends and family. No doubt. In the same vein I don't say I hate this or that politician, even if I completely disagree with the guy and think certain policies are terrible. I wasn't a huge Bill Clinton fan but I'd love to go grab beers with him.

I do care about a society that finds partial birth abortion acceptable. I do find it bewilderingly disturbing that a doctor, presumably a person who holds high regard for human life, swears the procedure is ethical.

Let's remember, the abortion issue predates the 1960's...hell it even predates Christianity. The original Hippocratic Oath was written in the 5th century BCE states:

"...
Nor shall any man's entreaty prevail upon me to administer poison to anyone; neither will I counsel any man to do so. Moreover, I will give no sort of medicine to any pregnant woman, with a view to destroy the child.
..."

Also, in regards to your anecdote of the hypothetical unaborted baby, it seems your point is that someone who opposes an unethical procedure (subjective), in this case, the killing of unborn babies, actually *supports* unproductive people, the liberal arts, drugs, crime, and basically any type of *bad* behavior ever known to man. Why not throw in mass murder.

While I enjoyed the rant, that's a bit of a leap there.

Perhaps abortion has caused the sort of environment that would produce such a loser. Birth control, abortion, no fault divorce, women's in the workforce...no one doubts the potential upsides these afford, but all of these have long-term social costs stemming from the breakdown in two-parent families. That's not to say two-parent families are better or worse or more or less healthy than broken families, simply that they are better for the long-term structure of society.

Your post, as well as pro-choice arguments, require a great deal of imagination and anomaly ("but what about a 14 year old being impregnated by her uncle?" despite situations like that being extremely rare). Make no mistake, for decades masses of people were convinced by the 'rape and incest' argument. Contrast this to the anti-abortion argument: A simple description and illustration of the average abortion procedure.

Post: #172

(08-03-2015 10:46 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 10:35 AM)Troll King Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 10:48 PM)rpg Wrote:  Exactly. There should be almost no abortion given our advancements in birth control.
Abortion happens because people are fucking lazy! I know people so damn lazy they wont reach over, grab a condom, tear it open and put it on. Much easier to roll the bitch over and fill her full of cum and then wait for the missed period. On the female side, it is too much to ask some women to take a pill the same time every day. Too much work.
These lazy fucks should be on the Depo shot.
The uterus should be a happy place, not a death chamber.

Yknow, awhile back I had an epiphany. I saw a statistic that said that around ~50% of born children are the result of accidental pregnancies. If you couple that with the fact that close to 99% of women have used some birth control and the fact that almost all women are on the pill during their most fertile times of their lives. Then you end up with the realization that women can't, or won't, take a fucking pill the same time every day for whatever reasons. Maybe they are just stupid, maybe they are trying to trap a man with a child. Who knows. Either way, it is either that or companies are hugely lying about the efficacy of birth control. If used right, the birth control pill and other types like the shot or IUD are pretty much 100%. Even if a pill is missed or some other problem comes about, then they still have an incredible success rate which doesn't add up to the 50% unplanned pregnancy stats.

No, something else is going on here. My guess is that either women want to get pregnant deep down for some reason, biological instinct/trapping a man/getting benefits/whatever, or they really are incapable of managing the most trivial aspects of their life like simply taking a fucking pill at the same time each day.

I think its a combination of being idiots and doing it on purpose.

When I was in college I remember reading the big folded instructions that come with birth control pills and I got panicked. I remember asking my girlfriend "have you read this! do you do this, that etc?" and she said "no, i haven't read that, my doctor told me how to take it"

Birth control pills are not only specific that they must be taken every day, but also taken at the same TIME every day and there is a pretty sizeable list of things that interact with birth control that reduce their efficacy, like cough medicine. Bitches never read/know or think about that.

Last, birth control manufacturers fuck up every so often to, there was a 'bad' batch of Yazmin in 2005 and the FDA statement was something like "this serial # batch may not be as effective" You'd think 'less effective' birth control would be recalled...no.

Good points. I still don't think those things can add up to the 50 percent of unplanned births though with respect to the instructions. If you look around at college age women, or hell even teen girls, pretty much all of them, even the more religious ones doing the virginity pledges as I remember from school, were on BC. From what I understand BC pills have also progressed a fair amount, so taking it at exactly the same time isn't as much of a problem as it used to be. But still, how hard is it to simply take it when you brush your teeth in the morning. Either way, it has been awhile since I read about this stuff and I haven't had a gf in awhile so it has only been condoms for me. I think with a lot of women, especially in their 20s and later 20s to early 30s, it's more of a "let the chips fall where they may" type of thing.

Post: #173

What I find interesting is that you have a bunch of guys on a forum about SELF-improvement who give each other advice on game, lifting weights, making money etc, gaming the system etc. Basically, pursuing your passions and doing things based on SELF-INTEREST and in terms of what's in it for YOU. "Enjoy the decline" and whatnot. There's nothing wrong with that and these are all values I heartily support and focus on myself.

Now all of a sudden, you have guys asking about "what's good for society". Now you have guys saying abortions are bad because they carry "moral and social consequences". Now you have guys saying they find it disturbing that a society might find abortions "acceptable".

Pumping and dumping? Right on, brother! Abortion? Blasphemy!!

Post: #174

(08-03-2015 10:35 AM)Troll King Wrote:  Yknow, awhile back I had an epiphany. I saw a statistic that said that around ~50% of born children are the result of accidental pregnancies. If you couple that with the fact that close to 99% of women have used some birth control and the fact that almost all women are on the pill during their most fertile times of their lives. Then you end up with the realization that women can't, or won't, take a fucking pill the same time every day for whatever reasons. Maybe they are just stupid, maybe they are trying to trap a man with a child. Who knows.

No, something else is going on here. My guess is that either women want to get pregnant deep down for some reason, biological instinct/trapping a man/getting benefits/whatever, or they really are incapable of managing the most trivial aspects of their life like simply taking a fucking pill at the same time each day.

I had a girlfriend tell me after we broke up that a girl will even convince herself that she took the pill. She'll see it still in the package but become blind to it, using whatever rationalization is needed.

She said that, in the 10 months we were together, she was off the pill for 6! Never told me! Said she "forgot" at first, then just assumed she couldn't get pregnant, then thought that, "If she got pregnant, it meant God wanted us to be together." Scariest thing a woman has ever told me!

Post: #175

(08-03-2015 11:31 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  What I find interesting is that you have a bunch of guys on a forum about SELF-improvement who give each other advice on game, lifting weights, making money etc, gaming the system etc. Basically, pursuing your passions and doing things based on SELF-INTEREST and in terms of what's in it for YOU. "Enjoy the decline" and whatnot. There's nothing wrong with that and these are all values I heartily support and focus on myself.

Now all of a sudden, you have guys asking about "what's good for society". Now you have guys saying abortions are bad because they carry "moral and social consequences". Now you have guys saying they find it disturbing that a society might find abortions "acceptable".

These two positions are not at odds with each other. They are just embracing a broader time-horizon. Ultimately the only meaningful final destination of self-improvement is successful posterity. Self-improvement for the sake of 'having the most fun before you die' is just "birth - noise & commotion - death".

Being the biggest man you can be, securing a high-quality wife, and properly raising the children is as far as you can individually go to have successful posterity. If those children, your sons and daughters (especially daughters) are then being cast out into a poisonous culture, it may all very well be for nothing.

For this reason, it is important to deduce and ascertain what a healthy culture actually is. Even if our reasoned judgements to that end won't actually affect the direction of society in a meaningful way, they can at least direct our actions and influence the actions of our audience, even if that is ultimately just "leave this country, move to this one".