Post: #126

(07-12-2015 04:55 AM)Aphex Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 02:30 PM)la_mode Wrote:  - Stable 2 parent households being essential

Some of the biggest clowns I've met come from stable, middle-class to upper-middle class households. In terms of social skills, some of the most impressive guys I've met were raised by single mothers or went back & forth between households, i.e. biological mother/stepfather household or biological father/stepmother household. Those kids learned to deal with adults better often than their peers at a young age. Obviously, they still grew up normally opposed to a "biological father in prison/biological mother on crack scenario". The binary extreme needs to be pointed out before it gets used as a counterargument. What people fail to realize....stable 2 parent households typically have significantly more rules and instill guilt at every possible moment, especially in boys.

This is definitely one of the more fucking stupid things I think I've ever read before. To draw this conclusion the OP must've:

a.) Been born into a 2 parent household and is bitter for some stupid reason.

b.) Been born into a single parent scenario and feel the need to be condescending towards stable families in order to compensate for his/her missing family learning in a healthy, stable environment.

I don't think I've ever met any "clowns" that have come from being raised in a healthy, stable, loving environment where their familial needs were fulfilled. Actually some of the best people I've met come from these caring, nurturing environments. Not to say that great people can't come from disasterous upbringing. Coming from a broken, dysfunctional home with an abusive father I can speak first hand. To say something so ignorant shows an excessive lack of intelligence and maturity, besides all the other dumb shit he/she said.

The guy is confusing some of the few experiences he had with the wide majority. It is like claiming: "Doesn't matter if you grow up in the ghetto poor, it worked for this NBA athlete, so it will work for everyone."

It doesn't - in aggregate that is a myth and the lawmakers know it of course, but always lie about those facts. Being raise by your own heterosexual parents in 100% of cases will be better for the child.

Even if your mother or father turns out to be one of those few psychopaths, then the likelihood is lower that both of them are that way vs. being raised by one of them.

Post: #127

(07-12-2015 05:00 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(07-12-2015 04:54 AM)Suits Wrote:  The second woman is a bitch who expects to be able to cash in on lots of money just because she has a vagina. She plans to contribute nothing.

I wouldn't say that, she plans to contribute herself for breeding purposes too . I suppose there are some who just want his money to spend on handbags and crap too, but I think most are just genetically attracted to the successful established man because it's a good reproduction tactic (in these cases the kids will ultimately get most of the surplus money).

She getting married for her own gains, with no interest in create something valuable. She's just a hop on out for herself.'

She'll contribute the minimum necessary to get what she wants.

Post: #128

(07-12-2015 05:09 AM)Suits Wrote:  She'll contribute the minimum necessary to get what she wants.

And so will I

Post: #129

(07-12-2015 05:13 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(07-12-2015 05:09 AM)Suits Wrote:  She'll contribute the minimum necessary to get what she wants.

And so will I

Not an option for men looking to marry and raise a family. She and the courts will decide how much you contribute, whereas refusing sexual access is not a crime and you'll still lose if you pull the divorce card yourself.

Post: #130

Naturally, which is why jurisdiction will be a factor in who I raise a family with.

Post: #131

(07-12-2015 05:40 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  Naturally, which is why jurisdiction will be a factor in who I raise a family with.

Absolutely. There are still societies where those who write laws are concerned with motiving men to be productive family men.

Of course, where I am in China, despite law designed to motive men and protect their hard earned assets from date rape, the system is also designed to screw foreigners, so I lose no matter what.

Post: #132

(07-12-2015 05:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(07-12-2015 04:55 AM)Aphex Wrote:  

(07-10-2015 02:30 PM)la_mode Wrote:  - Stable 2 parent households being essential

Some of the biggest clowns I've met come from stable, middle-class to upper-middle class households. In terms of social skills, some of the most impressive guys I've met were raised by single mothers or went back & forth between households, i.e. biological mother/stepfather household or biological father/stepmother household. Those kids learned to deal with adults better often than their peers at a young age. Obviously, they still grew up normally opposed to a "biological father in prison/biological mother on crack scenario". The binary extreme needs to be pointed out before it gets used as a counterargument. What people fail to realize....stable 2 parent households typically have significantly more rules and instill guilt at every possible moment, especially in boys.

This is definitely one of the more fucking stupid things I think I've ever read before. To draw this conclusion the OP must've:

a.) Been born into a 2 parent household and is bitter for some stupid reason.

b.) Been born into a single parent scenario and feel the need to be condescending towards stable families in order to compensate for his/her missing family learning in a healthy, stable environment.

I don't think I've ever met any "clowns" that have come from being raised in a healthy, stable, loving environment where their familial needs were fulfilled. Actually some of the best people I've met come from these caring, nurturing environments. Not to say that great people can't come from disasterous upbringing. Coming from a broken, dysfunctional home with an abusive father I can speak first hand. To say something so ignorant shows an excessive lack of intelligence and maturity, besides all the other dumb shit he/she said.

The guy is confusing some of the few experiences he had with the wide majority. It is like claiming: "Doesn't matter if you grow up in the ghetto poor, it worked for this NBA athlete, so it will work for everyone."

It doesn't - in aggregate that is a myth and the lawmakers know it of course, but always lie about those facts. Being raise by your own heterosexual parents in 100% of cases will be better for the child.

Even if your mother or father turns out to be one of those few psychopaths, then the likelihood is lower that both of them are that way vs. being raised by one of them.

It's a typically feminist flawed rhetoric: using an exception to disprove a generalisation.

Post: #133

There is no way La Mode is a guy. She is a SJW mole who has an appetite for dark triad dick. Go fuck yourself bitch and hopefully the door hit you on the way out. Enjoy the carousel you ride on.

Post: #134

(07-12-2015 09:01 AM)rpg Wrote:  There is no way La Mode is a guy. She is a SJW mole who has an appetite for dark triad dick. Go fuck yourself bitch and hopefully the door hit you on the way out. Enjoy the carousel you ride on.

Nah if you look at his post history, he was basically a soft leftist who had been flying under the radar for quite a while. Which is fine - they can provide interesting debate stimulation. But in this case, he couldn't take it anymore and let his true contemptuous feelings burst out. If his second post in this thread wasn't a condescending "the herd mentality is starting to show" he probably wouldn't have been banned.

I hope he finds a nice slutty 30+ tatted-up ex-prostitute transgender SJW woman to wife up.

(06-02-2015 02:29 PM)la_mode Wrote:  There's way too much right-wing rhetoric in the manosphere these days.

(06-02-2015 02:29 PM)la_mode Wrote:  Well I'm not trying to upset anyone - but I don't really see what the big deal is. Transgenderism has been around since the beginning of history.

(05-28-2015 05:59 PM)la_mode Wrote:  Some slutty women have a certain sexual charisma that can be appealing. Whatever their number is, not being judgmental or acting surprised goes a long way.

Courtesans were respected members of high-society back in the day - there is a reason for this.

(05-25-2015 04:23 PM)la_mode Wrote:  If you're a straight guy against gay marriage/gay rights/queer agenda/LGBT rainbow club, whatever you want to call it, you're basically announcing you want more male competition, lol. It's a rare circumstance where a win for the progressive left is also a win for you. Too many have an axe to grind with the progressive left and are rendered unable to see this.

(04-09-2015 12:27 AM)la_mode Wrote:  No - it's manosphere hivemind mentality that can't be argued rationally.

There's several shades of attractive women. I've met attractive women with several tattoos and all sorts of tattoos that weren't slutty and made you work for it. Conversely, I've met conservative turtleneck wearing women who were extremely slutty and were ready to go the second you walked in the door.

Post: #135

(07-12-2015 04:23 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(07-12-2015 12:59 AM)valmont Wrote:  The most repeated manosphere myth is that "Men's SMV goes up with age".

I think its actually "Men's SMV can go up with age", which is true. Yes, in general it doesn't, because most men get locked into the system. The men with sustained intelligence, risk-taking, and ambition; who succeed in business, keep their bodies fit, continue self-improvement, are savvy with women and are comfortable approaching; they are the top ~5% who definitely do raise their SMV substantially, even if they have to go overseas to cash in. Most other men get fat, lazy, locked into a 9-5 career ladder, married to an ever-expanding wife, get fucked in a divorce after they've fulfilled their usefulness to some unappreciative cow, and retire old and die.

The analogy I think of is "stocks and bonds":

When a women chooses a 25yo, she is taking an equity-like risk. Because child rearing biologically takes about 15 years, there is an advantage to choosing a younger man who still isn't 'established and proven', because he has his youthful energy, testosterone, ambition etc. The risk she takes is that he is actually turns out to be a loser, and she fails to detect that, and thus she ends up having to rear loser-gene kids with poor support from him. The upside is she correctly picks a winner, which raises the social position of her children.

It is for this reason that there is a tendency for young men to engage in activities that do not directly improve their economic position. Sports, music, dancing, comedy etc, just look like time-wasting from an economic standpoint (with the exception of the top 0.1%). However all of these things are dominated by men for a simple reason - they demonstrate 'proof of physiological and mental quality'. And these things are considered attractive to women for the same reason men betting on horses might examine the muscles and limbs of the horses before hand - these things evidence a probable winner.

But when a women chooses a 45yo, she expects a fixed-income-like situation. She expects him to already be established and proven.

Because sexual selection itself is selected for, and is more widely varied in women, some women tend to fall into the former camp, and some into the latter. Some women want a Harry Styles, some want a Berlusconi.

However, there is nowhere in the world where men significantly vary in their age preference. We all want the 18-21 region, all else being equal.

For whatever reason, there are more women that fit the cougar bill, than men who fit whatever the male equivalent would be.

I agree that it can, but I don't think it does for the vast majority.

It's a discussion of theory vs reality, but doesn't get discussed often because it's repeated so much it's rarely debated.

Take Johnny Depp today vs Johnny Depp in Cry-Baby, which Johnny Depp had a higher SMV to most women?

The biggest male sex symbols are still in their prime age of attractiveness, Cristiano Ronaldo for example. I'm not talking about on paper what looks the best, I'm talking about what the majority of women fantasize about, and it's probably not Berlusconi (although some women will obviously be attracted to his position of power).

Women definitely do have a broader range of attraction than men, I do agree with you there.

Post: #136

(07-12-2015 09:01 AM)rpg Wrote:  There is no way La Mode is a guy. She is a SJW mole who has an appetite for dark triad dick. Go fuck yourself bitch and hopefully the door hit you on the way out. Enjoy the carousel you ride on.

Post: #137

"Transgenderism has been around since the beginning of history."

How did you guys let this happen?

Post: #138

(07-10-2015 02:30 PM)la_mode Wrote:  I've wanted to do this for awhile, I realize this may get me banned, so here it goes.

- The collective fascination with Putin

Yes, he looks like a Bond villain. This makes him a bad ass by default, but the obsession with him gets to levels that rival the Matt Damon character in the Talented Mr Ripley.

- The huge deal about women having tattoos

Outside of hipster/alternative or trashy women, the majority of women still aren't all that tatted up. It's made out as if every single woman in the west is tatted up to her neck. It's simply not the case. A few well-placed tattoos can look sexy. I'm sure others agree, but are afraid to say it.

- Stable 2 parent households being essential

Some of the biggest clowns I've met come from stable, middle-class to upper-middle class households. In terms of social skills, some of the most impressive guys I've met were raised by single mothers or went back & forth between households, i.e. biological mother/stepfather household or biological father/stepmother household. Those kids learned to deal with adults better often than their peers at a young age. Obviously, they still grew up normally opposed to a "biological father in prison/biological mother on crack scenario". The binary extreme needs to be pointed out before it gets used as a counterargument. What people fail to realize....stable 2 parent households typically have significantly more rules and instill guilt at every possible moment, especially in boys.

- Conservative groups like Boy Scouts are what today's boys need

Yes, in an already anti-male climate, dressing like a complete nerd being told you should be a tattle-tale on everyone for anything is really gonna help you with chicks.

- The SJW counterbalance towards LGBT,feminism & fatties

This one is self-explanatory. Those groups are simply left (pardon the pun) best unaddressed at this point. Like a well-known frat at the Big 10 university I attended...their motto was "We don't party with fat chicks". One too many stupid topics about whatever Lena Dunham said in an interview gives these idiots too much credit. It's become inverse SJW. Let the SWPL hivemind enjoy the legalization of gay marriage, hopefully it has a good effect on America's heavily (in more ways than one lol) skewed gender ratio as more questioning men choose that persuasion.

- The bias towards women above 30

There's a certain sexiness that some women get into their 30s. To quote Robert Greene, an "air of confidence" in their sex appeal that attractive women in their 30s get. Another thing, most guys regardless of what they say will choose a cougar with a hard body over an average or even slightly overweight women in her 20s. In the US at least, attractiveness trumps fertility. Yes, it sounds cool to act like you're better than any woman over 30...but in all seriousness..who's gonna say no to a sexy woman in her 30's? You'd have to be LGBT yourself if you do.

I sign above and :

I was no more than 16 when my older friend introduced me into theory of of "lower species" and all flows and limitations of female gender , which are essentially the same ones (-technology) or the same base for more or less everything that is circulating here. That was some time ago before cell phone , let alone talking about Internet , and that was in EE so before feminism as we know it today.
So it is quite oversimplified to look at the feminism as the main/only source of the the society of today and overall culturele decline.

-Second
To me alpha+ man is atheist because alfa man is intelligent and alpha man is not afraid .
Alpfa man questions everything (and as result the theory full of flows and not only that but still one of the main if the not the main source of human species troubles , cannot stand )
-Traditional society based on the "traditional family values", which dominated modern human history as a model - Better do some reading there and refresh you mind, it was not such long time ago and possibly start talk about modern family instead.

-Individual freedom is above everything (Above race, nation , family "values"... )
Furthermore I think an "individual" which does not belong to any group and often translate to "alone" is the natural habitat of the superman.

-Backward standing ,most of the people here have , toward LGBT in my mind disqualifies this group of people from being considered seriously in the eyes of many men , who otherwise may share some opinions and values presented here.
I personally know number of gay men who are pure alpha , much more than number of people here will ever be .
I am not even talking about those whose source of the news is FOX and and whose definition of the freedom is ability to carry gun around .

Post: #139

^ Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your word salad newsletter.

Post: #140

(07-12-2015 03:58 PM)shone Wrote:  -Backward standing ,most of the people here have , toward LGBT in my mind disqualifies this group of people from being considered seriously in the eyes of many men , who otherwise may share some opinions and values presented here.
I personally know number of gay men who are pure alpha , much more than number of people here will ever be .
I am not even talking about those whose source of the news is FOX and and whose definition of the freedom is ability to carry gun around .

Well THAT'S gay. Your co-signature is unsurprising.

Post: #141

(07-12-2015 03:58 PM)shone Wrote:  I personally know number of gay men who are pure alpha , much more than number of people here will ever be .
I am not even talking about those whose source of the news is FOX and and whose definition of the freedom is ability to carry gun around .

Post: #142

Thanks to the Moderator(s) for keeping out the people who offer no value to RVF.

There seem to have been quite a few this weekend.

Post: #143

I only have minor disagreements myself:

The smith machine: For folks with injuries it can allow one to lift safely. Also, if you bench under the thing with the bar at about eye-level you can burn the shit out of your chest, you wouldn't want to do that under a real bar for safety reasons. I'm not saying do it every day, but its a good one to try in your fuckaround time.

I'm not so sure if the Reagan trickle down economic system is the way to go, even if you are a hustler, there are so many things we wouldn't be able to pull off if there weren't schmucks out there with a little money to spend.

The general crusade to spread our wisdom far and wide. A lot of this stuff loses its potency when it becomes common. The general population is aware of game now and you couldn't say that 7-8 years ago. They have grown more intricate shields against stuff that used to work and now we are in an arms race situation because we couldn't keep our mouths shut. We can't convert everyone, though I appreciate the benevolent spirit, we need suckers to in order to shine.

Those aren't really dear manosphere beliefs or anything, I see them occasionally.

Post: #144

(07-13-2015 01:51 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  Thanks to the Moderator(s) for keeping out the people who offer no value to RVF.

There seem to have been quite a few this weekend.

It's not even the beginning of the month. They're getting better at flying under the radar.

Post: #145

(07-13-2015 10:41 AM)Silver_Tube Wrote:  The general crusade to spread our wisdom far and wide. A lot of this stuff loses its potency when it becomes common. The general population is aware of game now and you couldn't say that 7-8 years ago. They have grown more intricate shields against stuff that used to work and now we are in an arms race situation because we couldn't keep our mouths shut. We can't convert everyone, though I appreciate the benevolent spirit, we need suckers to in order to shine.

I really doubt this. The average man today is no more aware of game than the average man 10 years ago was . It's not so much that people have developed more "intricate shields," it's societal change. The reason that Mystery Method (and a lot of the early 2000s stuff) is no longer popular is because it's been passed by. Not because it doesn't work, but because there are better ways to do it.

Innovation is generally learning to do things faster, easier, and cheaper. Mystery Method is, like it or not, incredibly complex as well as (arguably) soul-destroying. As a result, it's been weeded out. I don't really see much of an arms race either. Most men still don't know this material, probably 90%+ (and maybe closer to 95%). Hell, just go out to any big city bar on a Friday night.

Post: #146

(07-13-2015 01:51 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  Thanks to the Moderator(s) for keeping out the people who offer no value to RVF.

There seem to have been quite a few this weekend.

It was not like this on the forum a few months ago, shit like this is why I stopped going to RoK and switched to the forum. On the forum the conversations are well thought out and the trolls are quickly neutralized and banned. Lately I have noticed a lot of new names with a rep of 1-10 making weird ass female like comments and threads, I look at their rep and the people repping them are always new people with low rep, the same new people repping each other making bullshit threads and comments and generally wasting our time. I know I have a low rep but look who is repping me and look at my post history; the people repping me all have good history, real posts, real high reputation and intelligent commentary. These new low rep, likely female, bullshit thread starters need to know we are hip to their bullshit. I know most of them are women because they cannot write like a man or make logical arguments, they always point to the rare exception like that shit is the rule- example" I know this one 39 year old woman who is so much hotter now than when she was 18, and her experience makes her more desirable."Only a woman would write this, no man would ever think this.

Post: #147

Regarding women in their 30s, yes, it is a big omission of the manosphere that there are some hot 30-something women out there. Not all women hit the ugly wall at 30 and suddenly become worn-out-looking old ladies. I had a 1-year relationship with one and briefly dated a few others a few years ago when I was having a dirty 30s streak myself.

The problem is... think about it... there is a reason that a cute, hard-bodied woman is single in her 30s, and it usually isn't a good reason. Most of these 30s minxes are definitive washed-up carouselers, a lot have been divorced, or may just as well have been married/divorced what with their pile of ex's and sexual partners. Plus, try as they may to look good and stay energetic/active, these women often have cynical outlooks, are hard to impress, and you simply cannot create the male-female complimentary sexual tension and masculine leadership that naturally comes when with a younger girl. On top of all this, you have the narrowed fertility window. All these reasons make even the hottest 30s women far less desirable for a relationship than a more average-looking woman in the 20s. Hot 30s babes are good for short-term flings or hook-ups, a good starting point for younger guys to warm up on and little else.

Post: #148

(07-13-2015 02:24 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 01:51 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  Thanks to the Moderator(s) for keeping out the people who offer no value to RVF.

There seem to have been quite a few this weekend.

It was not like this on the forum a few months ago, shit like this is why I stopped going to RoK and switched to the forum. On the forum the conversations are well thought out and the trolls are quickly neutralized and banned. Lately I have noticed a lot of new names with a rep of 1-10 making weird ass female like comments and threads, I look at their rep and the people repping them are always new people with low rep, the same new people repping each other making bullshit threads and comments and generally wasting our time. I know I have a low rep but look who is repping me and look at my post history; the people repping me all have good history, real posts, real high reputation and intelligent commentary. These new low rep, likely female, bullshit thread starters need to know we are hip to their bullshit. I know most of them are women because they cannot write like a man or make logical arguments, they always point to the rare exception like that shit is the rule- example" I know this one 39 year old woman who is so much hotter now than when she was 18, and her experience makes her more desirable."Only a woman would write this, no man would ever think this.

It's summer time. Just like the shitposting that goes on in other forums and crazy places like 4chan with the "summerfags" running amok, the shit ebbs and flows like a cycle. Some of the low rep guys are struggling with all kinds of shit, they will figure it out eventually. Don't worry about trolls. Tuth keeps the house very clean. After summer, I'm sure all kinds of new stuff will begin dropping. Now is vacation and travel time. I'm sure more datasheets and write ups will come around. I know I have plans for new stuff. My summer has gotten so busy I have basically given up trying to post alot daily like I usually do. I am concentrating on getting these personal things out of the way so that I will be able to post some new stuff. I know I cannot be the only busy person on the forum this summer.

Ya know, for all you new guys go find some of the top threads and stuff from the top posters to read. Don't sit on the Everything else subforum and hit refresh constantly. That may lead to disappointment and misrepresentation of what the forum is about. There are tons of straight fire to be found in the backpages, not to mention the other subforms. Look at Louie G's topic on the best of RVF. That is a very good place to get started.

Post: #149

I guess I meant awareness more in terms of recognizing that they are being gamed, not so much in average dudes learning and practicing it. But girls all know what a neg is, last weekend I got the an eye roll with a "really, that's the opener you went with?" The familiarity with the lingo and general awareness of the field's existence is not doing us any favors. I think more of them see through it than they did years ago is all, but you are right, a bunch of that stuff just went obsolete.

Post: #150

(07-13-2015 04:15 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 02:24 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 01:51 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  Thanks to the Moderator(s) for keeping out the people who offer no value to RVF.

There seem to have been quite a few this weekend.

It was not like this on the forum a few months ago, shit like this is why I stopped going to RoK and switched to the forum. On the forum the conversations are well thought out and the trolls are quickly neutralized and banned. Lately I have noticed a lot of new names with a rep of 1-10 making weird ass female like comments and threads, I look at their rep and the people repping them are always new people with low rep, the same new people repping each other making bullshit threads and comments and generally wasting our time. I know I have a low rep but look who is repping me and look at my post history; the people repping me all have good history, real posts, real high reputation and intelligent commentary. These new low rep, likely female, bullshit thread starters need to know we are hip to their bullshit. I know most of them are women because they cannot write like a man or make logical arguments, they always point to the rare exception like that shit is the rule- example" I know this one 39 year old woman who is so much hotter now than when she was 18, and her experience makes her more desirable."Only a woman would write this, no man would ever think this.

It's summer time. Just like the shitposting that goes on in other forums and crazy places like 4chan with the "summerfags" running amok, the shit ebbs and flows like a cycle. Some of the low rep guys are struggling with all kinds of shit, they will figure it out eventually. Don't worry about trolls. Tuth keeps the house very clean. After summer, I'm sure all kinds of new stuff will begin dropping. Now is vacation and travel time. I'm sure more datasheets and write ups will come around. I know I have plans for new stuff. My summer has gotten so busy I have basically given up trying to post alot daily like I usually do. I am concentrating on getting these personal things out of the way so that I will be able to post some new stuff. I know I cannot be the only busy person on the forum this summer.

Ya know, for all you new guys go find some of the top threads and stuff from the top posters to read. Don't sit on the Everything else subforum and hit refresh constantly. That may lead to disappointment and misrepresentation of what the forum is about. There are tons of straight fire to be found in the backpages, not to mention the other subforms. Look at Louie G's topic on the best of RVF. That is a very good place to get started.

If this thread was purely a troll thread, then how did it get 3 likes, including 2 from highly repped members?

It's obvious most on the site cannot handle any sort of challenge to points that are so repeated they're never debated.