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Jagnum · 2015-07-02 16:15:00 · #5726
I set a goal for myself at the beginning of June that by the end of it, I’d have sex with one girl.
Early in June, I fingered a girl. A bleached blond, easily an 8, with a good face and slender body, nice tits and a pierced nipple.
She was the one who asked me out, first time that’s happened in almost a year. We met up, then got Japanese food. The waiter came back to our table at least 10 times during the meal. It was funny, he was obviously trying to flirt with her.
We go back to the apt where she was dog sitting. I get everything off except her underwear. It was kind of fun to be sleeping with a girl in a home where the bed belongs to neither of you. But next time, I need to freeze out in bed when she isn’t moving further. Sit on the edge of the bed. Look hurt, act hurt. No Bang.
My last weekend in June comes around and I still hadn’t banged a girl. Here's how it went down:
Friday June 26
I met this girl the previous Saturday at a bar. We had very, very strong chemistry almost immediately. She didn’t want to kiss me in front of her friends, so I gave her my cheek and said, “kiss goodnight?”
We meet again this Friday at a bar at 9 pm. The sun hadn’t set yet, so I decide to walk her down to a bench near the water. Within minutes we’re kissing. She tells me she’s never met someone so forward.
I messed this up because I was too forward on that park bench. I suggest going back to my place instead of back to a bar. We walk to my house about 15 minutes away, sit on my bed, and continued hooking up. I couldn’t push it further.
I knew she was religious (Jewish), but I didn’t realize she was very religious at one point. Turns out she was married for three years and is now divorced. She’s only 25 or something. Crazy.
Saturday June 27
Gay pride weekend here. I felt shitty in the evening, but knew that I had to go out because there were tons of people partying.
The second set I open that night is a two set. One friend, very cute face about a 7. Her friend is maybe a 5, but with redeeming tits and ass. I open with “You guys look like you’re having the most fun” and they commented on what I was wearing, a giant American flag cape.
The hotter one had a boyfriend, so I focused on the less attractive one with the tits and ass. After ten minutes of talking, I suggest a venue change, they say they want to go dancing.
I say, “I don’t know how to dance. I’ll only come if you teach me how to dance.”
I came up with this line after past experience I would be eager to go “dancing” with girls. But once at the venue, they'd just dance with each other and other friends, and leave me cold.
Because of pride weekend, there’s a giant street party with a DJ. I don’t dance much, so it’s a nice surprise that the target is very into grinding with me. We kiss a lot too.
At some point while dancing, I pull her hair back and whisper into her ear, “I’m so hard right now”. That got her turned on so she looks back at me and kisses me very passionately.
We move to another bar. The cuter friend doesn’t give us ANY time to be alone. Not even to use the bathroom so I could try to deal with logistics.
Oh, it turns out this girl, who is 24 years old, is in the middle of a divorce. Her husband has his own GIRLFRIEND at their house in the suburbs. The target is spending the night in teh city at her friend’s apartment.
“So your husband is fucking his girlfriend tonight. Interesting.” I played on this a little.
We're outside the last bar. I talk and kiss her a bit, and finally ask "Do you want to sleep with me tonight?” She gives me a sly look and nods in agreement. But then, a little while later she says, “I have to go back with my friend.” Anyway classic difficulties dealing in two-set logistics.
The friend starts to do me a favor by saying to the target, “You know I could call my boyfriend and ask him to pick me up if you give me your phone.”
And the target starts to pull out her phone out of her purse. It looks like it’s happening, the friend is going to remove herself from the situation and I can call an Uber.
But she stops pulling her phone out of her purse. I don’t remember why, but she stopped. Then the girls went into a powwow meeting.
They came back and target has changed her mind. “I’m going home with my friend. But you can have my number.” Game over. I get her number and ask whether she comes into the city often, and that’s it.
Still a big accomplishment for me to hook up that much with a girl at night and get super close to take her back in an Uber. It might sound crazy, but in fourteen months, I have yet to take a girl home to my place the same night I’ve met her at a bar. I’m confident I will soon.
Sunday June 28
This is my last chance.
I met this girl at a Meetup group where our activity was to get into groups of three and practice good “listening”.
In short, RAPPORT BUILDING WAS THE ACTIVITY. She asks me questions for twelve minutes as part of the activity. It’s like in “Day Bang” when roosh says, whole point of interaction is getting her to ask you questions. I didn’t have to do any work because the activity was for her to ask me questions, and I crushed it because I’m working on an interesting project.
Anyway after the activity, I tread slowly during informal networking chat. I find out how long she’s been in the city. She’s an intern. I find out where she lives. I don’t push for the number. I tell her, “nice meeting you. it was fun to chat.” And then she responds with “Yeah, maybe we should hang out.” Only then do I ask her for her number.
Text her the next day (Friday) to set up a date for Sunday early 6 pm. I knew she was under 21 so I do coffee shop to my place bang strategy. Basically borrowed Tom Torero’s bar to bedroom strategy but what I’ll call coffee shop to bedroom.
Anyway, she looked hot when she met me at the coffee shop. Wearing a sleeveless top, really tight black jeans, and she has a cute ass.
Coffee shop, but in outdoor seating in kind of a private area. First 30 minutes was just talking, followed by questions game for another 30 minutes. She wasn’t very sexual during questions game, so I wasn’t sure whether I’d get the bang. I did kiss her at the coffee shop, towards then end of the questions game.
Side note: I remember Roosh writing that no one in the history of dating, there's never been a first kiss in a coffee shop.
Near the end of the questions game, I check my watch and say, “How about we grab a bottle of wine and have a drink?”
She says, “Oh I’m driving, so I can’t drink. And I’m under 21, so I can’t have any liquor if they catch me.”
“Okay, we’ll have just a little bit.”
“Okay.”
My roommates are home (good) so we go straight to my bedroom instead of the living room. We talk for a bit, and then I run evolution phase shift on my bed. This works great.
She’s dying to kiss me midway through the routine, but I tell myself “RESTRAIN YOURSELF”. I want to finish the routine to build up the tension as much as possible to make it easier to jump right into sex instead of just hooking up.
We start kissing and all of her clothes came off very easily.
Partway through the sex, I ask her what’s the most number of fingers she’d had inside of her. She says “three”. I say, “We’ll see about that.”
I start with one finger, but I work my way up. Soon I have four fingers inside of her, and rub them in and out, deep inside and around the edge of her vagina.
She’d never had sex in the shower, and it had been a while for me too. So after we bang for 40 minutes on my bed, I tell her we’re going to take a shower.
Sex in the shower is logistically difficult unless she’s your height or taller. But I love to rub soap all over a woman’s body. When we get to the shower, I finger her a bit, we kiss and then it gets boring, so I tell her, “Get down on your knees.”
She complies and gives good head.
I haven’t ejaculated on a girl in a while and I’m not going to miss this opportunity while we’re in the shower. I start to give myself a handjob while she’s on her knees but I can’t cum. I’m not turned on enough. I try to think of everything: a hot blond married woman with large breasts I talked to at the grocery store last week, my favorite porn scenes from when I used to watch porn (I don’t anymore). Nothing. I try dirty talk, “where do you want me to cum on you?” She says “all over my face”. Still nothing. Finally, I ask her to look up into my eyes.
Her eyes are super sexy, she has these big brown eyes. She’s 20 years old. Those were all I needed. Ten seconds later, I jizz on her face, and on her breasts and in her hair. There was a lot of cum to go around and I made sure to spray her everywhere.
TL;DR
Three day makeout and bang fest. This is my best weekend sexually in 14 months of game. Two consecutive nights of heavy making-out with two diff girls, one recently divorced girl and one soon-to-be divorced girl. Both younger than me, 25 and 24 respectively (wtf?). Both were almost bangs. Maybe one or two steps away. I made mistakes and learned from them. Final night, got a bang.
Friday- Brought her to my bedroom, but I killed the vibe early when I kissed her too much on a park bench. By the time I got her to my place, the game was lost.
Even when attraction is strong, keep kissing to a minimum and build tension instead. Get her back to your bedroom where you can re-escalate.
Saturday – Another close bang. I went out alone. Was hooking up with this girl after about 15 minutes, once I venue changed her and her friend from bar to outdoor dance floor. Went to another bar after dancing, she nodded when I asked if she wanted to sleep with me that night. Her friend almost disappeared, but didn't, and the two girls went back home together.
Isolating a girl in a two sets is HARD. I don’t know if there’s a real good strategy here.
Sunday – BANG! A first date. I met her a few days prior at a Meetup event for people in my industry. Under 21. We do coffee for an hour, and I get some sexual clues. Suggest a bottle of wine and drinks. We sit on my bed and I run evolution phase shift. Her clothes come right off. Sex, then we take a shower.
I’m trying to set up a re-bang next week using BlurredSevens text model. It looks somewhat hopeful, but who knows. Girls can be capricious.
Early in June, I fingered a girl. A bleached blond, easily an 8, with a good face and slender body, nice tits and a pierced nipple.
She was the one who asked me out, first time that’s happened in almost a year. We met up, then got Japanese food. The waiter came back to our table at least 10 times during the meal. It was funny, he was obviously trying to flirt with her.
We go back to the apt where she was dog sitting. I get everything off except her underwear. It was kind of fun to be sleeping with a girl in a home where the bed belongs to neither of you. But next time, I need to freeze out in bed when she isn’t moving further. Sit on the edge of the bed. Look hurt, act hurt. No Bang.
My last weekend in June comes around and I still hadn’t banged a girl. Here's how it went down:
Friday June 26
I met this girl the previous Saturday at a bar. We had very, very strong chemistry almost immediately. She didn’t want to kiss me in front of her friends, so I gave her my cheek and said, “kiss goodnight?”
We meet again this Friday at a bar at 9 pm. The sun hadn’t set yet, so I decide to walk her down to a bench near the water. Within minutes we’re kissing. She tells me she’s never met someone so forward.
I messed this up because I was too forward on that park bench. I suggest going back to my place instead of back to a bar. We walk to my house about 15 minutes away, sit on my bed, and continued hooking up. I couldn’t push it further.
I knew she was religious (Jewish), but I didn’t realize she was very religious at one point. Turns out she was married for three years and is now divorced. She’s only 25 or something. Crazy.
Saturday June 27
Gay pride weekend here. I felt shitty in the evening, but knew that I had to go out because there were tons of people partying.
The second set I open that night is a two set. One friend, very cute face about a 7. Her friend is maybe a 5, but with redeeming tits and ass. I open with “You guys look like you’re having the most fun” and they commented on what I was wearing, a giant American flag cape.
The hotter one had a boyfriend, so I focused on the less attractive one with the tits and ass. After ten minutes of talking, I suggest a venue change, they say they want to go dancing.
I say, “I don’t know how to dance. I’ll only come if you teach me how to dance.”
I came up with this line after past experience I would be eager to go “dancing” with girls. But once at the venue, they'd just dance with each other and other friends, and leave me cold.
Because of pride weekend, there’s a giant street party with a DJ. I don’t dance much, so it’s a nice surprise that the target is very into grinding with me. We kiss a lot too.
At some point while dancing, I pull her hair back and whisper into her ear, “I’m so hard right now”. That got her turned on so she looks back at me and kisses me very passionately.
We move to another bar. The cuter friend doesn’t give us ANY time to be alone. Not even to use the bathroom so I could try to deal with logistics.
Oh, it turns out this girl, who is 24 years old, is in the middle of a divorce. Her husband has his own GIRLFRIEND at their house in the suburbs. The target is spending the night in teh city at her friend’s apartment.
“So your husband is fucking his girlfriend tonight. Interesting.” I played on this a little.
We're outside the last bar. I talk and kiss her a bit, and finally ask "Do you want to sleep with me tonight?” She gives me a sly look and nods in agreement. But then, a little while later she says, “I have to go back with my friend.” Anyway classic difficulties dealing in two-set logistics.
The friend starts to do me a favor by saying to the target, “You know I could call my boyfriend and ask him to pick me up if you give me your phone.”
And the target starts to pull out her phone out of her purse. It looks like it’s happening, the friend is going to remove herself from the situation and I can call an Uber.
But she stops pulling her phone out of her purse. I don’t remember why, but she stopped. Then the girls went into a powwow meeting.
They came back and target has changed her mind. “I’m going home with my friend. But you can have my number.” Game over. I get her number and ask whether she comes into the city often, and that’s it.
Still a big accomplishment for me to hook up that much with a girl at night and get super close to take her back in an Uber. It might sound crazy, but in fourteen months, I have yet to take a girl home to my place the same night I’ve met her at a bar. I’m confident I will soon.
Sunday June 28
This is my last chance.
I met this girl at a Meetup group where our activity was to get into groups of three and practice good “listening”.
In short, RAPPORT BUILDING WAS THE ACTIVITY. She asks me questions for twelve minutes as part of the activity. It’s like in “Day Bang” when roosh says, whole point of interaction is getting her to ask you questions. I didn’t have to do any work because the activity was for her to ask me questions, and I crushed it because I’m working on an interesting project.
Anyway after the activity, I tread slowly during informal networking chat. I find out how long she’s been in the city. She’s an intern. I find out where she lives. I don’t push for the number. I tell her, “nice meeting you. it was fun to chat.” And then she responds with “Yeah, maybe we should hang out.” Only then do I ask her for her number.
Text her the next day (Friday) to set up a date for Sunday early 6 pm. I knew she was under 21 so I do coffee shop to my place bang strategy. Basically borrowed Tom Torero’s bar to bedroom strategy but what I’ll call coffee shop to bedroom.
Anyway, she looked hot when she met me at the coffee shop. Wearing a sleeveless top, really tight black jeans, and she has a cute ass.
Coffee shop, but in outdoor seating in kind of a private area. First 30 minutes was just talking, followed by questions game for another 30 minutes. She wasn’t very sexual during questions game, so I wasn’t sure whether I’d get the bang. I did kiss her at the coffee shop, towards then end of the questions game.
Side note: I remember Roosh writing that no one in the history of dating, there's never been a first kiss in a coffee shop.
Near the end of the questions game, I check my watch and say, “How about we grab a bottle of wine and have a drink?”
She says, “Oh I’m driving, so I can’t drink. And I’m under 21, so I can’t have any liquor if they catch me.”
“Okay, we’ll have just a little bit.”
“Okay.”
My roommates are home (good) so we go straight to my bedroom instead of the living room. We talk for a bit, and then I run evolution phase shift on my bed. This works great.
She’s dying to kiss me midway through the routine, but I tell myself “RESTRAIN YOURSELF”. I want to finish the routine to build up the tension as much as possible to make it easier to jump right into sex instead of just hooking up.
We start kissing and all of her clothes came off very easily.
Partway through the sex, I ask her what’s the most number of fingers she’d had inside of her. She says “three”. I say, “We’ll see about that.”
I start with one finger, but I work my way up. Soon I have four fingers inside of her, and rub them in and out, deep inside and around the edge of her vagina.
She’d never had sex in the shower, and it had been a while for me too. So after we bang for 40 minutes on my bed, I tell her we’re going to take a shower.
Sex in the shower is logistically difficult unless she’s your height or taller. But I love to rub soap all over a woman’s body. When we get to the shower, I finger her a bit, we kiss and then it gets boring, so I tell her, “Get down on your knees.”
She complies and gives good head.
I haven’t ejaculated on a girl in a while and I’m not going to miss this opportunity while we’re in the shower. I start to give myself a handjob while she’s on her knees but I can’t cum. I’m not turned on enough. I try to think of everything: a hot blond married woman with large breasts I talked to at the grocery store last week, my favorite porn scenes from when I used to watch porn (I don’t anymore). Nothing. I try dirty talk, “where do you want me to cum on you?” She says “all over my face”. Still nothing. Finally, I ask her to look up into my eyes.
Her eyes are super sexy, she has these big brown eyes. She’s 20 years old. Those were all I needed. Ten seconds later, I jizz on her face, and on her breasts and in her hair. There was a lot of cum to go around and I made sure to spray her everywhere.
TL;DR
Three day makeout and bang fest. This is my best weekend sexually in 14 months of game. Two consecutive nights of heavy making-out with two diff girls, one recently divorced girl and one soon-to-be divorced girl. Both younger than me, 25 and 24 respectively (wtf?). Both were almost bangs. Maybe one or two steps away. I made mistakes and learned from them. Final night, got a bang.
Friday- Brought her to my bedroom, but I killed the vibe early when I kissed her too much on a park bench. By the time I got her to my place, the game was lost.
Even when attraction is strong, keep kissing to a minimum and build tension instead. Get her back to your bedroom where you can re-escalate.
Saturday – Another close bang. I went out alone. Was hooking up with this girl after about 15 minutes, once I venue changed her and her friend from bar to outdoor dance floor. Went to another bar after dancing, she nodded when I asked if she wanted to sleep with me that night. Her friend almost disappeared, but didn't, and the two girls went back home together.
Isolating a girl in a two sets is HARD. I don’t know if there’s a real good strategy here.
Sunday – BANG! A first date. I met her a few days prior at a Meetup event for people in my industry. Under 21. We do coffee for an hour, and I get some sexual clues. Suggest a bottle of wine and drinks. We sit on my bed and I run evolution phase shift. Her clothes come right off. Sex, then we take a shower.
I’m trying to set up a re-bang next week using BlurredSevens text model. It looks somewhat hopeful, but who knows. Girls can be capricious.
Vaun · 2015-07-02 19:18:00 · #5727
Ex-LTR I dumped for good in April is back on my mind and I am questioning myself for dumping her. I got game aware while I was with her, due to all of her shit, and dumped/ghosted her several times. I became a real dick to her too. She deserved it. I would ghost her and ring her up and she would come running. Now that is over. For all of her bad qualities I connected with her more than any other girl, took care of her when she was in the hospital for 2 weeks, know and love her family. But all of the problems we had, and my desire to not get tied down again, broke us apart. She wanted it all and I wasnt prepared to give it. We were together for 3 years. A year after solid exclusivity I joined here and started gaming and had a lot of success.
Even though she did what she did, I shouldnt have overreacted to it like I did. I could have been way cooler about it and not given a fuck. I would have still felt the same way about her, but I didnt have to torch a bridge like I did. She was a pretty good companion and traveled all over together and had a lot of experiences.
Now I am trying to deal with it on my own, and not making a big deal about it to anyone. I have a small "harem", one which I will see tonight, the other maybe tonight too. I plan to go out this weekend, workout, eat well, sleep. Should be a good weekend. I'll deal with this, but its surprising to me after all of the times I dumped her and dated other women, I am finally going through this.
Even though she did what she did, I shouldnt have overreacted to it like I did. I could have been way cooler about it and not given a fuck. I would have still felt the same way about her, but I didnt have to torch a bridge like I did. She was a pretty good companion and traveled all over together and had a lot of experiences.
Now I am trying to deal with it on my own, and not making a big deal about it to anyone. I have a small "harem", one which I will see tonight, the other maybe tonight too. I plan to go out this weekend, workout, eat well, sleep. Should be a good weekend. I'll deal with this, but its surprising to me after all of the times I dumped her and dated other women, I am finally going through this.
vinman · 2015-07-02 21:44:00 · #5728
(07-02-2015 07:18 PM)Vaun Wrote: Ex-LTR I dumped for good in April is back on my mind and I am questioning myself for dumping her. I got game aware while I was with her, due to all of her shit, and dumped/ghosted her several times. I became a real dick to her too. She deserved it. I would ghost her and ring her up and she would come running. Now that is over. For all of her bad qualities I connected with her more than any other girl, took care of her when she was in the hospital for 2 weeks, know and love her family. But all of the problems we had, and my desire to not get tied down again, broke us apart. She wanted it all and I wasnt prepared to give it. We were together for 3 years. A year after solid exclusivity I joined here and started gaming and had a lot of success.
Even though she did what she did, I shouldnt have overreacted to it like I did. I could have been way cooler about it and not given a fuck. I would have still felt the same way about her, but I didnt have to torch a bridge like I did. She was a pretty good companion and traveled all over together and had a lot of experiences.
Now I am trying to deal with it on my own, and not making a big deal about it to anyone. I have a small "harem", one which I will see tonight, the other maybe tonight too. I plan to go out this weekend, workout, eat well, sleep. Should be a good weekend. I'll deal with this, but its surprising to me after all of the times I dumped her and dated other women, I am finally going through this.
I just broke up with a 3 year LTR. Got on my nerves, and practically dared me to do it. I know it's for the best, but from time to time I play the mental "what if" game. When that happens I get physical. Brisk walk, sprints, burpees, pushups, or swing a kettlebell to get the blood pumping. Strangely it never happens during the day, but in the early evenings when my energy levels dip. It'll pass. Keep grinding, and spinning plates.
redbeard · 2015-07-02 22:52:00 · #5729
Solid report Jagnum!
It's always good to see new guys setting goals, working towards them, and avoiding online dating. You are getting experience that's for sure, and it seems you can recognize where you went wrong.
One of the best things about this thread is that writing your mistakes will make you remember it AND others will help.
My only criticism is about some of your lines. Specifically:
“I don’t know how to dance. I’ll only come if you teach me how to dance.”
If you're a bad dancer, cool, shake it off. Go to the dance floor and laugh about how bad you are. But don't highlight your flaws, putting yourself in a submissive position to her. Dance a little then get off thd floor.
"Do you want to sleep with me tonight?”
I disagree with this because it takes away from the "it just happened" situation. This girl is actively acknowledging that she will sleep with you. Some guys will argue this is good because it shows aggression on your part. I say fuck that, there are other ways to show intention. If you have a fun night and run solid game, you won't have to ask this question because you'll know and she'll subconsciously know.
It's always good to see new guys setting goals, working towards them, and avoiding online dating. You are getting experience that's for sure, and it seems you can recognize where you went wrong.
One of the best things about this thread is that writing your mistakes will make you remember it AND others will help.
My only criticism is about some of your lines. Specifically:
“I don’t know how to dance. I’ll only come if you teach me how to dance.”
If you're a bad dancer, cool, shake it off. Go to the dance floor and laugh about how bad you are. But don't highlight your flaws, putting yourself in a submissive position to her. Dance a little then get off thd floor.
"Do you want to sleep with me tonight?”
I disagree with this because it takes away from the "it just happened" situation. This girl is actively acknowledging that she will sleep with you. Some guys will argue this is good because it shows aggression on your part. I say fuck that, there are other ways to show intention. If you have a fun night and run solid game, you won't have to ask this question because you'll know and she'll subconsciously know.
heavy · 2015-07-02 23:23:00 · #5730
Fyi to newbies and even more experienced guys. ..
Ya can't do much from across the table
Ya can't do much from across the table
Ingocnito · 2015-07-02 23:50:00 · #5731
(07-02-2015 07:18 PM)Vaun Wrote: Ex-LTR I dumped for good in April is back on my mind and I am questioning myself for dumping her. I got game aware while I was with her, due to all of her shit, and dumped/ghosted her several times. I became a real dick to her too. She deserved it. I would ghost her and ring her up and she would come running. Now that is over. For all of her bad qualities I connected with her more than any other girl, took care of her when she was in the hospital for 2 weeks, know and love her family. But all of the problems we had, and my desire to not get tied down again, broke us apart. She wanted it all and I wasnt prepared to give it. We were together for 3 years. A year after solid exclusivity I joined here and started gaming and had a lot of success.
Even though she did what she did, I shouldnt have overreacted to it like I did. I could have been way cooler about it and not given a fuck. I would have still felt the same way about her, but I didnt have to torch a bridge like I did. She was a pretty good companion and traveled all over together and had a lot of experiences.
Now I am trying to deal with it on my own, and not making a big deal about it to anyone. I have a small "harem", one which I will see tonight, the other maybe tonight too. I plan to go out this weekend, workout, eat well, sleep. Should be a good weekend. I'll deal with this, but its surprising to me after all of the times I dumped her and dated other women, I am finally going through this.
Remarkably similar to and exLTR situation I dumped back in late November last year. Except I don't feel bad about torching the bridge, she definitely deserved it. Probably the most remarkable sexual connection I've had to date, and she feels the same. They don't learn however. She proved that to me abundantly. She knows I've got other girls and it constantly drives her insane. Oh well though, she rolled the dice of entitlement and lost miserably.
Sadly though, we both lost because of what she did, what she really is. But I gained in other areas which has compensated beyond her overall value. I put a lot of sexual training into her, molding her into nearly exactly what I like. And now she can't fill my spot with another. "You ruined me" she says. Naw bitch, you ruined yourself at both of our expense.
Richiavelli · 2015-07-03 04:15:00 · #5732
Back in the game after three months. Pulled girl to apt for a SNL but she resisted. Feel like shit I didn't convert, but looks like I still got it. I am so clueless on a ONS, the last part was not comfortable..
Comte De St. Germain · 2015-07-03 05:07:00 · #5733
(07-02-2015 11:23 PM)heavy Wrote: Fyi to newbies and even more experienced guys. ..
Ya can't do much from across the table
Thought always be within ass grabbing range was game 101
. Unless you're a virgin that should be common sense too. Then again I'm probably overestimating the average man and I imagine a good portion of newbies are virgins......fuck.redbeard · 2015-07-03 06:36:00 · #5734
LouEvilSlugger · 2015-07-03 08:07:00 · #5735
Always at the bar or at a booth with the outside seat.
Valhalla · 2015-07-03 20:34:00 · #5736
Blew myself out today with a girl. I asked her out but it was really ambiguous if she was down to meet or not and it pissed me off. I asked her if she's in or if I should make plans with another lucky lady.
I hate these online women who are very vague on whether they want to show up or not.
Their indecisiveness makes me incredibly anxious. Just tell me if you want to fucking hang out or not. Yes or no.
She turned it around and said she would have agreed but that she's very sensitive and that comment didn't make her feel good
I hate these online women who are very vague on whether they want to show up or not.
Their indecisiveness makes me incredibly anxious. Just tell me if you want to fucking hang out or not. Yes or no.
She turned it around and said she would have agreed but that she's very sensitive and that comment didn't make her feel good
Comte De St. Germain · 2015-07-03 20:56:00 · #5737
(07-03-2015 08:34 PM)Valhalla Wrote: Blew myself out today with a girl. I asked her out but it was really ambiguous if she was down to meet or not and it pissed me off. I asked her if she's in or if I should make plans with another lucky lady.
I hate these online women who are very vague on whether they want to show up or not.
Their indecisiveness makes me incredibly anxious. Just tell me if you want to fucking hang out or not. Yes or no.
Don't be ambiguous get straight to the point. If anything women despise an indecisive man. Lead, take charge that's the way of men. It's not her being vague as that's what women do. They are always vague. They don't just come out and say "FUCK ME" when they see you. They instead stand next to you and give you an occasional look. Or use some bullshit excuse to talk to you.
It's all on you my good man to seal the deal. If all else fails move on and find another woman just:
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Edit: Speaking of dumb openers women have used on me. It was flooding here in Houston the other day and I was stranded at my favorite coffee shop. Girl literally opens me with "You think I'll be alright if I smoke outside?" as I just came in from a quick cigarette out underneath the small canopy. I was soaking wet down to my underwear when I came in too(not really I'm exaggerating but still pretty damn wet). Sadly she had to temporarily leave town the next day for Atlanta, Georgia and wanted to make plans after she came back
.Valhalla · 2015-07-03 21:06:00 · #5738
No I meant I asked her out at a specific time and place but it wasn't very clear if she was agreeing to meet me or not and she made it as ambiguous as possible. I wrote she was making it ambiguous.
But you raise good points nonetheless
But you raise good points nonetheless
Comte De St. Germain · 2015-07-03 21:19:00 · #5739
(07-03-2015 09:06 PM)Valhalla Wrote: No I meant I asked her out at a specific time and place but it wasn't very clear if she was agreeing to meet me or not and she made it as ambiguous as possible. I wrote she was making it ambiguous.
But you raise good points nonetheless
Makes more sense just find another girl don't get too bummed out over it. A good beer at a chill bar with or without approaching tends to help a bit.
WestIndianArchie · 2015-07-04 10:59:00 · #5740
redact
Good shit Wia. After time you can almost notice weather your in with a chick from the monent you meet them. Example, I was in walmart yesturday and after a bot of small talk I introduced myself and shook her hand. Nah not a regular shake was holding her hand for a good 15 secs while talking to her. From the 15 sec hand shake I knew I was in. She actually opened up more during it as well by smiling more. We supposed to chill tonight so we'll see but pretty sure i'm right.
~wrIghter~ · 2015-07-04 11:59:00 · #5742
Think a day 2 won't happen with the last girl. I was going to wait till she came back to reengage. Yesterday out of boredom I shot her a ping text hinting at song that we talked about. . I'm not exactly surprised as how I failed to escalate before, but I was hoping that I'd get a 2nd chance. In other news, I just pinged a few other girls in my phone...so we'll see how that goes.
WIA I think you should write a book. I'd buy it.
Jetlagged · 2015-07-04 12:31:00 · #5744
I just learned a very difficult lesson in game tonight.
If girls are pushing you onto a certain friend to fuck her and she's not being so receptive, go with the fucking one that keeps telling you you're handsome and she's the one you're actually attracted to
Went to take a piss and lost the set. They fckig left. Motherucking fuck!!!! The one I was into was cute and was hittin on me at the end of the end. Always go for the one you like not the easy bait!
The ducking broad that I originally came for flaked on me too. Bitches man.
My game needs MAD work. Just wast feeling it tonight. FUCCCCCCVK I want to punch a wall I passed up a hot ass bitch!!!
If girls are pushing you onto a certain friend to fuck her and she's not being so receptive, go with the fucking one that keeps telling you you're handsome and she's the one you're actually attracted to
Went to take a piss and lost the set. They fckig left. Motherucking fuck!!!! The one I was into was cute and was hittin on me at the end of the end. Always go for the one you like not the easy bait!
The ducking broad that I originally came for flaked on me too. Bitches man.
My game needs MAD work. Just wast feeling it tonight. FUCCCCCCVK I want to punch a wall I passed up a hot ass bitch!!!
philosophical_recovery · 2015-07-04 15:04:00 · #5745
+1
Very cute, sweet, and thin with a great white girl booty. Very low notch count (had to show her how to do doggy, as she was oblivious, hah), the first time was so tight it hurt me. She was well and wet for subsequent bangs that I lost track of. She was also heavily resistive, more than any other notch that I recall. After a lot of effort I got her excited enough and she finally said "I'm on the end of my period." I just looked up at her and said, "and? Take that [tampon] out". Smooth, pleasant sailing from then on out.
Pondering an LTR, but my postcoital skepticism is as aware as ever. There is a laziness streak in her that comes with other attractive millenial girls that have guys throwing stuff at them all the time. Treated her well, within reason, as I can afford it, but I'm questioning her reciprocity capacity. My LTR game is rusty, as I tend to overgame at a certain point. Very affectionate though, defaults to my leadership so far.
We'll see. Every notch I earn in the past few years has been less and less rewarding, no matter how attractive.
Very cute, sweet, and thin with a great white girl booty. Very low notch count (had to show her how to do doggy, as she was oblivious, hah), the first time was so tight it hurt me. She was well and wet for subsequent bangs that I lost track of. She was also heavily resistive, more than any other notch that I recall. After a lot of effort I got her excited enough and she finally said "I'm on the end of my period." I just looked up at her and said, "and? Take that [tampon] out". Smooth, pleasant sailing from then on out.
Pondering an LTR, but my postcoital skepticism is as aware as ever. There is a laziness streak in her that comes with other attractive millenial girls that have guys throwing stuff at them all the time. Treated her well, within reason, as I can afford it, but I'm questioning her reciprocity capacity. My LTR game is rusty, as I tend to overgame at a certain point. Very affectionate though, defaults to my leadership so far.
We'll see. Every notch I earn in the past few years has been less and less rewarding, no matter how attractive.
(07-04-2015 12:31 PM)Jetlagged Wrote: Went to take a piss and lost the set. They fckig left. Motherucking fuck!!!! The one I was into was cute and was hittin on me at the end of the end. Always go for the one you like not the easy bait!
Also get contacts, early, and definitely before you leave the group. It's a habit of mine now. Then when things like this happen (always do), you can just message "hey were'd you guys go?".
WestIndianArchie · 2015-07-04 16:05:00 · #5747
(07-04-2015 11:38 AM)s3k Wrote: Good shit Wia. After time you can almost notice weather your in with a chick from the monent you meet them. Example, I was in walmart yesturday and after a bot of small talk I introduced myself and shook her hand. Nah not a regular shake was holding her hand for a good 15 secs while talking to her. From the 15 sec hand shake I knew I was in. She actually opened up more during it as well by smiling more. We supposed to chill tonight so we'll see but pretty sure i'm right.
The lingering handshake is SO UNDERRATED.
- Turning her palm 90 degrees so that her hand is in your hand.
- holding one of hers with both of yours
- tracing the vein in her wrist just up her arm a bit
You saying more about your power and your sexual intent than any clever improvised line.
I know I have a lot of love for the "Jedi Mind Tricks" aspect of the game, but I know a lot of people don't really fucks with that though.
But, if a cat were to focus on the micro picture for a second, and really pay attention to his interactions with chicks -
- he'd see SEX everywhere, sometimes be a little disgusted by it. (like no, not you Bertha...)
- He wouldn't need to put so much emphasis on the external.
Good game is very very basic, it gets back to who we are as animals, as people, as oxygen breathers. I am a man, you are a woman. Everything else is just window dressing.
For a second, you can uncover that very essential nature.
I love reading the Travel board and seeing how guys hook up with chicks that dont' speak english well. Everyone should read that Linux/Colombia thread as well as the Clean Slate/Philippines thread. Their experiences with chicks that don't speak English can improve anyone's game if they read them right.
We don't have the same culture, know the same words, but I know you want me and I want you. Let's find a place together, get cozy and really get to know each other.
Obviously you're gonna run into gringo hunters, but it's not like all of these places aren't crawling with guys, some with more money, some better looking - but understanding that very basic essence of humanity.
I'm going too far now, some of y'all might come to the realization that these broads are human and not aliens.
WIA
Comte De St. Germain · 2015-07-04 16:33:00 · #5748
This is inspired by my conversations with Sourcecode and Lebeau as well as by some of the Tinder conversations Sourcecode showed me.
I honestly think once you're in the player mindset it's not so much about negging or gaming in the traditional sense as it is about playfulness. I see a lot of guys saying they over gamed and lost a girl over it, and I think it has to do with the "neg" being perceived more as an insult than teasing which is supposed to make her laugh.
Shit test her over a clumsy mistake, something that's on her Tinder profile, or anything else, but more than anything it's to make her laugh than it is to cut her down a notch. You aren't evening the playing field by teasing you're making it as if you had the upper hand from the start. It's not about making a statement that she's nothing special than it is that you're something special.
If more than anything you're seen as a more positive person. Being a "dark triad alpha" doesn't make her panties wet it's that those guys scream confidence and high value. Their mindset correlates with confidence and masculinity irrespective of their mental instability.
And just as I roll into this thread I see this:
Truer words haven't been said. Everyone has that one likable asshole friend and it's not the fact that he's an asshole that you keep him around. Remember females are human too, and I don't think they are attracted to us because we cut them down.
I honestly think once you're in the player mindset it's not so much about negging or gaming in the traditional sense as it is about playfulness. I see a lot of guys saying they over gamed and lost a girl over it, and I think it has to do with the "neg" being perceived more as an insult than teasing which is supposed to make her laugh.
Shit test her over a clumsy mistake, something that's on her Tinder profile, or anything else, but more than anything it's to make her laugh than it is to cut her down a notch. You aren't evening the playing field by teasing you're making it as if you had the upper hand from the start. It's not about making a statement that she's nothing special than it is that you're something special.
If more than anything you're seen as a more positive person. Being a "dark triad alpha" doesn't make her panties wet it's that those guys scream confidence and high value. Their mindset correlates with confidence and masculinity irrespective of their mental instability.
And just as I roll into this thread I see this:
(07-04-2015 04:05 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote: I'm going too far now, some of y'all might come to the realization that these broads are human and not aliens.
Truer words haven't been said. Everyone has that one likable asshole friend and it's not the fact that he's an asshole that you keep him around. Remember females are human too, and I don't think they are attracted to us because we cut them down.
philosophical_recovery · 2015-07-04 18:54:00 · #5749
(07-04-2015 04:05 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote: The lingering handshake is SO UNDERRATED.
- Turning her palm 90 degrees so that her hand is in your hand.
- holding one of hers with both of yours
- tracing the vein in her wrist just up her arm a bit
You saying more about your power and your sexual intent than any clever improvised line.
I know I have a lot of love for the "Jedi Mind Tricks" aspect of the game, but I know a lot of people don't really fucks with that though.
But, if a cat were to focus on the micro picture for a second, and really pay attention to his interactions with chicks -
- he'd see SEX everywhere, sometimes be a little disgusted by it. (like no, not you Bertha...)
- He wouldn't need to put so much emphasis on the external.
Good game is very very basic, it gets back to who we are as animals, as people, as oxygen breathers. I am a man, you are a woman. Everything else is just window dressing.
For a second, you can uncover that very essential nature.
I love reading the Travel board and seeing how guys hook up with chicks that dont' speak english well. Everyone should read that Linux/Colombia thread as well as the Clean Slate/Philippines thread. Their experiences with chicks that don't speak English can improve anyone's game if they read them right.
We don't have the same culture, know the same words, but I know you want me and I want you. Let's find a place together, get cozy and really get to know each other.
Obviously you're gonna run into gringo hunters, but it's not like all of these places aren't crawling with guys, some with more money, some better looking - but understanding that very basic essence of humanity.
I'm going too far now, some of y'all might come to the realization that these broads are human and not aliens.
WIA
Bingo. One of the key tenets of strong game is just plain observation. Body language, touch, and the subtleties thereof can be exploited to the maximum. If a girl isn't running away screaming, pushing you away, or better yet moves into you when you touch her lightly, you've got an open window to escalate.
Take shy girls, for instance. A lot of would-be players seem to think that just because a girl is attractive and does activities in front of crowds means that a girl is an extrovert. They will try to engage them in lengthy conversations about some inane topic that they aren't interested in, or talk themselves up, standing extremely closely to them with their chest pointed right at them. Meanwhile, an evil bastard like me comes by, an arms length away, and throws a sidelong glance at them. I mumble something slowly and borderline unintelligible, but the HB leans towards me, asking what I said. Then I lightly touch the small of their back and repeat myself quietly closer to their ear. You usually know you're in when they give your bicep a squeeze with a pause. They don't want to sit there and blab, but sometimes they'll listen because they're afraid of not being nice. As soon as the right feeling comes along, *poof* they vanish. The would-be player misses about 80% of what happens in the conversation that the chick had with me, because they think I said something smooth. I didn't. They didn't catch the touch on her back, didn't see the arm squeeze, and didn't understand the significance of her lean-in. The would-be player agonizes about the perfect line, what he should or shouldn't have said, instead of slowing down and assessing her emotional reaction.
Then, there's pros like Linux that I'd love to see in action personally. I bet there's some next-level subtleties to his escalation that if I've witnessed it in the wild I was not paying enough attention to understand.
I'm still new in the game. Should I game girls below 6s for practice?