(06-30-2015 10:56 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 08:31 AM)LouEvilSlugger Wrote:  Cheers, my friends.

Please tell me you responded to that person !

Was it a girl or guy ?

What did you say back ?

Obviously a girl.

Agressive and obnoxious sounding Uncle Roosh helped me build myself a harem with chicks at my feet trying to lock me down for marriage.

Recently experiencing a dry spell of new pussy.

It's begining to really damage my self esteem/confidence and I'm becoming more thirsty and desperate.

(06-30-2015 12:29 PM)MrXY Wrote:  I'm going to break this down for you not only because it will help you, but also because your date illustrates a lot of common issues that newbies have.

Confirmation- A confirmation the day before a date is no confirmation at all. Girls are so distracted, have so many options, and are so flaky that 24 hours is far too soon to confirm. If several days intervene between agreeing to a date and the date itself, I usually will text once or twice each day just to keep me in their mind and show I'm still interested. If a girl doesn't hear from you for a couple of days she will start to think you're going to flake on her and make other plans. I confirm 2-3 hours before the meeting time with a nonconfirmation confirmation, such as asking if she knows where the place is or some other date related subject. Don't ask if she's going to make it; that shows insecurity. Then I reconfirm maybe 45 minutes to an hour before by saying I will be 15 minutes late. This is what she did to you to confirm because you had not.

Showing up late/on time- Some players recommend showing up late to make an entrance and show you're not taking the date seriously and are a busy man. I disagree with this, one reason being what happened to you. It doesn't give you the freedom to check out the venue and select the best place to be. That said, you didn't have to agree to her selection of a table, you could have moved her to the bar if there were free places. I also like to show up early so I can chat up the bartender and other patrons. If you are talking to other people when she walks in, that's a sort of fake social proof. Best of all is if you are talking to an attractive woman when she first sees you.

Venue selection- It was a mistake to meet in a place you didn't know well. Your standard meeting place for online dates is one or two places you have locked down and that have comfortable seating where you can sit side by side. Notice how she reacted positively to the second venue for those reasons. You should have met at the second venue. Never go on a first date without a specific plan of where you are going first, second and third.

The hug greeting- bending over to hug her when she didn't even bother to stand up was not good. That's supplicating. Some players recommend hug greeting in general and I'm not opposed to them because it does initiate kino, but it's not my style. I prefer to greet a girl with a tone of cool evaluation of her so she is left wondering if I even find her attractive or not. But that fits with my persona; someone who is very extroverted may be better hugging.You should have just plopped down in your chair, leaned back and said, "So what's up?" with a smirk.

Height- What kind of shoes were you wearing? At 5'7", you should wear boots with higher heels on first dates, nothing else. Height is going to be an issue for you with girls, but we all have our nonoptimal characteristics; the key is to improve it as much as possible while compensating with other strong traits. I would consider getting some quality heel lifts to raise your height by an inch. But you handled it well by blowing off her comments and not letting her rattle you.

Conversational topics- Not approving of your choice of these. I would avoid talking about musicals at all-this gives off a gay or theater geek vibe to girls regardless of what they say. Mentioning one episode of South Park is ok, but going on about it-no. In general, guys should avoid any topics which give off a vibe of nerd, geek, or fanboyism- sci-fi, fantasy, tv shows, techie stuff, comics, superheros. Girls lives center around their feelings, their senses and human realtionships. Talk about food, drink, travel, adventures, gossip about people you know or celebrities (a little) and they will be interested. Also talking a lot about your and her childhood is not the best. A little story from you childhood is fine to establish a bit of vulnerability but only after your alpha cred is shown and attraction is firmly established.

Newbies always seem concerned with "comfort." I think the reason is that they are still pedestalizing women and are afraid they are going to scare the girl and are overly concerned with what she is feeling. Here's a secret for you- a girl being nervous and even a bit scared and intimidated by you is a good thing That is, assuming you want to fuck her and not be her beta orbiter she calls to cry about the asshole who is fucking her. Comfort is way overrated. As Heartiste says- "vagina tingles are born in a defensive crouch." I just talk about whatever I want and switch conversational topics frequently. Your move to steer away from talk of jobs and school was very good though, interview style conversation is boring and is a proven pussy dehydrator.

Venue change- this was a very good move, especially you ignoring her probably false time constraint. Changing venues will greatly improve your chance of fucking a girl.

No kino during venue change- here's that newbie obsession with "comfort " again. How much comfort does a girl need for you to hold out your elbow to hook her arm through or for you to hold her hand? Trust me, it's very possible to have a girl grinding on you or be making out with her within a short period of time and be fucking her not long after that. Girls are these innocent pure creatures you imagine them to be, they are full of dirty thoughts and just waiting for a man to help them act them out. Get more aggressive if you want to be rewarded.

Kino at bar- the best thing you did. Always touch girls a lot of dates, it's a huge factor in getting her to like you and getting laid.

Her leg angle- legs toward the bar 75% of the time isn't good at all. If a girl isn't turning her legs at at least a 60% angle toward me within 30 minutes after we meet, my expectations of getting laid by her ever are maybe 10%. What's between a girl's legs? If she's shielding her pussy from you, she's telling you that she doesn't consider you worthy of her pussy. If a girl turns her legs fully toward you, however, chances are high you will get the pussy that night.

Offer of a ride home- You deserve credit for a Hail Mary here, which is always worth taking, but time had run out on the game at that point.

The Cheek Kiss close- This was the worst thing you did; never do it again. What do you mean there were people around so you "naturally" didn't kiss her ? So what? I kiss girls I barely know in crowded bars and restaurants all the time. Girls are turned on by men who are socially transgressive and break the rules to just take what they want.

Texting immediately- don't do this, it's too eager. Make her wait and wonder if you approve of her or not. Text the next day or not at all. If I don't bang a girl but it still went well and I want to see her again I usually wait 2-3 days to text and don't reference the date at all. Why did you feel like a dick for not immediately reciprocating when she said she had a good time.? I just say "I'm glad"- let her wonder if you did.

Verdict-Typical beta style date. If you don't have a lot of experience with women, that's ok, it's some progress. It seems that you have some idea of what to do from reading game materials, which is good, but your Inner Game is weak, which is stopping you from executing. Your opinion of women and their nature is false and you are pedestalizing them and being intimidated by them. Don't take them so seriously. Work on being more confident and cocky/funny. Just have fun on dates and amuse yourself; don't worry about pleasing the girl, she is there to please you.

A nice reminder of the basics of game. I've been doing this for almost a year now and while I've internalised a lot of stuff I still find myself falling back into old habits if I let myself get slack, particularly around being more aggressive with touching and kissing on dates. I was raised as too much of a nice guy.

(06-30-2015 11:26 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  Recently experiencing a dry spell of new pussy.

It's begining to really damage my self esteem/confidence and I'm becoming more thirsty and desperate.

An Enlightenment era man has much more to draw his self-esteem/confidence from than just lack of sex. Work on something that is worthy doing and keep on low alert, frequent places conducive to meeting women and so on.

(07-01-2015 09:26 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:26 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  Recently experiencing a dry spell of new pussy.

It's begining to really damage my self esteem/confidence and I'm becoming more thirsty and desperate.

An Enlightenment era man has much more to draw his self-esteem/confidence from than just lack of sex. Work on something that is worthy doing and keep on low alert, frequent places conducive to meeting women and so on.

Agreed, work out more, set personal goals, make more money, travel on your own.

Pussy isn't life, but it sure is a wonderful thing to have.

There is so much more to life than just that, start finding out what it is.

Said goodbye to a coworker after work yesterday.

My main was busy and I was half asleep buzzed by the time I got home, threw out some hail marys.

I had a second meetup with a coffee date, she ended up coming over, I'm being a funny asshole because she's being a sarcastic somewhat kind of a bitch.

Mind you I'm already half asleep, I put a background movie and we start making out (we never kissed until then). She's all whiny about me touching her she's "ticklish". So I keep doing it, slap her ass, pull her hair, grab her tit. She's constantly movie my hands away from there. It starts getting annoying, I go for her neck and pull her hair. I can tell I have her but she pulls away and stops. So I freeze her out and almost fall asleep. I kick her out since I want a decent amount of sleep.

Her body language was very prudish but her hands were more telling, with girls I bang I'm not holding their hand much and laying all over them. Typically is makeout, escalate, maybe LMR, escalate/freeze out, then bang.

With this chick she was constantly doing something with my hands, whether holdling them, cracking them, or playing with them. Am I the only who gets GF/BF vibes when a girl does that ? I mean hell I barely hold my girls hand. I could just tell she isn't going to give it up that easy.

Honestly, I was half asleep and didn't give a fuck, I just figured if I don't see her this week, then I probably wont see here again, basically a maintenance hangout to meet up a 3rd time.

Then again I might next her on the grounds of the vibes I got.

EDIT: Actually I might - I forgot that she said Bruce Jenner is hot as a girl - I literally died laughing. I think she has some LGBT views but kept them quiet after I explained how crazy Jenner is.

(07-01-2015 12:58 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Am I the only who gets GF/BF vibes when a girl does that ? I mean hell I barely hold my girls hand.

The only time I hold a girl's hand is when I'm eating her pussy

(07-01-2015 01:13 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 12:58 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Am I the only who gets GF/BF vibes when a girl does that ? I mean hell I barely hold my girls hand.

The only time I hold a girl's hand is when I'm eating her pussy

Haha if I'm doing that I'm grabbing onto her legs or hips so she'll stop moving.

Summertime is leading to less new prospects. Need to night game more to make up for it.

Report #1:Date Night

A lot of my post and contributions with thoughts about game and my experience have all been pre-game. Most of my knowledge has been from hitting the books as a freshman in the game. Books are never enough without going out and experiencing things in real life. You read about adventures, but if you've never had one of your own...you're doing a disservice to yourself and could make a great story down the road.

For a week or two now I've been off my game, losing leads that seemed like a sure thing, to girls that were down that never followed through. Recently I've been speaking a lot about my flakes and how it all affected my mood concerning game and the lifestyle. A year ago my LTR dropped me for another guy she worked with and I became undone. Everything I had believed in up to that point had been a lie.

After doing every beta-ish thing in response to the break up I found something that gave me an idea of how to handle attraction and relationships. I remember CMQ telling the story of his fiance' never showing up and wanting to take himself out. I too know that feel, severe oneitis and very unstable emotions can destroy a human being with weak resolve.

The book I read got me into my 2nd relationship with a girl from Canada (LDR shit). This was the rebound in which I applied the things I learned from Doc Luv's: The system. They worked perfectly. I had this girl hooked but I wasn't feeling it. I didn't love her and she most certainly didn't live up to my ex as far as looks went. She was loyal, had a nice butt, and educated. She just wasn't the girl from me and stress had began to build, so I dropped her and dove into game.

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Tuesday I sat at the kitchen table reading and writing while a storm had picked up outside. The rain pounded the pavement, lightning booms echoed just outside of the door. A day before I had to turn down a spontaneous date with one of the leads that I found to be elusive. Just a week before, she flaked on me at the last minute. She had been adamant in pursuing further contact with me since then, so I gave it another shot.

A lot of concepts of game can be easily adapted but there are somethings such as frame that takes work, depending on your up bringing (blue-pill, romantic, submissive). Just a week ago, I had lost frame...and in a big way. With respect to my peers I took their words for strategy. I'd use that strategy to create the day that I had in mind. During the storm we had text about doing something later on, post her shift at work.

One of my goals have always been to go for a zero-date bang out, fresh out of the gate. Maybe I'd be pushing my luck with a hot blonde 7.5 (game shit) transplant. After her idea of changing it to a theater date, I countered with my home film choices being better options. I'm sure her strategy would be something that didn't require us in her home too soon. She mentioned being out while the weather is great, and at the time it was quite nice on her side of the town...and quite shit on my end.

I decided that it would be nice to compromise as one of my buddies out west had suggested just a week ago. I mention putting the movies on the back burner and just meeting with her to get some sun and possibly sit by the pool. She's down and the date and logistics are set. I got my shit together with a very noticeable grin on my face. Told my folks that I was headed out and got my bag together (gum:check, towel:check, Nikki:check rubbers:check, misc: check). I had just about everything except a belt to hold up my skinny jeans.

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Its not long before I'm on a train headed north for my first post-game date. My iPhone gets me through the ride, with songs from my Playboy Playlist. All mostly darkly seductive tracks with great instrumental backing. I'm in the zone...but I'm also parched. I need water. 13 stops down the rail line and I'm in one of the chillest areas of town. I board the platform firing off a "I'm here text." She informs me that she'll be a bit late and that I should head towards her spot.

After going in the wrong direction for a few minutes I check the address on google, making my way back into the right direction. Again its another hot day and I'm hoping I don't sweat too much before the meet. I pass a breezy space of nature surrounding one of the hotels. All of it photo worthy. I send a text to M of one of the falls that I see. I don't want to leave the spot but I venture on toward the meeting place.

Upon getting there, she text me that she'd like to go back to the point of the picture (logistical hook) but doesn't know how to get to it. Closing in, she calls me, and I see her from afar, in a nice sundress, that's pleasing to the eyes. Its not bright and attention seeking but its dark and colorful. We walk over to each other and exchange pleasantries. I hug her from the waist. She's better looking in person, but has noticeable sunburns that don't bother me.

Not tall, not short, just right. Athletic body type, tan, small b-cups, and sandy blonde hair. We head over toward the park like area near the hotel from before where we engage in light banter, friendly negs, and comfort building. It didn't take me long to figure out what I wanted to do. I'm a photographer. I want to create art. I tell her that she will be my model for the day and that I'll be her photographer/director. After light resistance, she agrees to pose for me.

I find a bench in front of the falls and have her join me. I recall reading SD's comment before heading out "Listen just go to the movie and be cool about it, just keep it simple and escalate with confidence. Going on dates is great believe it or not, they build your game up, makes you comfortable around women". This is what made my day what it was. For that I thank you bro. My confidence was high but I had yet to have a drink of water since being in the sun for a while.

She sat with me on the bench, I provided her with a piece of gum (fresh breath game) and we sat close, my arm draped around her and letting her do a lot of the talking. Something was off though, she was open to me doing these things but I felt that she had been holding back. She was open but pretty reserved. We discussed what we do, adjusting the city, and life away from home. A lot of comfort and rapport building.

I beckoned her over to check out an artistic molding in the park area. At first it appeared to be a guerrilla but when I got closer it was just a nice sculpting that was really eye catching. We were like two curious kids who got lost and decided to enjoy it. I had her pose for more shots and gave her the chance of taking a few of my own. Earlier she had mentioned that dinner and wine would be served at her place. I was open to idea of having a few drinks, so I suggested that we head back.

After making a second trip to the falls (I left my lens cap the first time) we finally made it to her hotel. Upon entry she was recognized by familiar faces. As she introduced me I could feel the uneasiness of them all. Before game I would of thought that they were genuinely happy to meet me but I didn't get to good of a vibe from them. I generally spoke with a middle eastern girl who was interning at the same company as my date. The majority of the people at the table looked pretty tight/conservative.

After an attempt to take my dates attention away from me, I suggest that her and I grab something to eat, she agrees. We get one of the nicest spots outside by the pool. I make jokes that she had this planned all along to make sure we had the best seat in the house. She laughs, smile, in a cute way that I like. We go back, grab a cup of wine, go back for glasses of booze. This chick ain't half bad. During dinner, we banter randomly about our 1st world problems, family, music, etc.

As the alcohol began to kick in, my confidence took another boost. She was doing something that bothered me, and I'm quite sure would bother a lot of you guys if you were out on a date. She was texting! I wasn't upset, I was just curious of what was going on. I jokingly mentioned how I haven't touched my phone once (other than to change the music). She apologized and said that she wouldn't mind if I did (that's not it man).

After dinner, we sat by the pool with our drinks until it emptied and the sky began to darken. This was perfect. I love the night fall. Its one of the most beautiful times of day to me, always has been. She mention that she was ready to take a dip in the pool. At that point we had finished our drinks. I teased her "You can do the honors of removing my shirt". She gave me that knowing look, and suggested that I do it myself, ha.

We strip, jump into the pool, and it is the most freeing feeling ever. It had been awhile since I'd been to a beach, lake, or pool. I began to figure that this would be the perfect time to escalate. I had did light kino earlier at the table, observing the small sunspots on her back and the piercings in her ear. She wasn't at all uptight about it. In the pool I was at my most playful and flirtatious. I made a game of trying to pull her around the pool by her legs.

M had mentioned being a life guard for some time back home, this proved to be true with her ability to quickly navigate the body of water in which we were in. She was a fan of my locs and had wanted to give it a try herself. I used this to play with her hair a bit. I stood in front of her, pleased with my view. In the midst of her talking I took the change to grab her by the thighs (good pulling strategy ) and pull her off the wall. She kicked out of it playfully and escaped with her quick swimming abilities.

As night fall officially took we noticed we a lady watching us from one of the windows of the hotel. Another window I saw for us to get closer. I suggested that we put on a performance. I pulled her to the middle of the pool and began to dance with her (the classical kind, with spins and stuff). I could tell that she was hooking quite well. At least that's what I had hoped. I think that was the closest body to body we'd had all day.

After the spy disappeared, we swam, and decided to go into the hot tub. It was nice seeing her ease in. I sat with my back to the jet and waited for her to settle in. More kino, with my arm draped over her shoulder, prying pine tree debris from her arm. I was on another level at this point with a confidence that couldn't be broken. More banter about relationships, tinder, and smoking was had.

I find out that she's a mix of a few cultures after my first guess. She didn't take that I had Japanese ancestors, but daijo bu. Relationship talk is when everything changed.

In the smoothest way possible I ask the question that would determine just how much further things would go tonight. "So what's your...situation, married? boyfriend?" before I had gone on about long distance relationships and how they don't work. All the while I'm treating her as if we'd known each other for years, appreciating her body and company. After all, I'm a playboy exchange student.

She says, "No, but I have a man". The shock doesn't really hit hard as all, as I've been drinking and feel quite relaxed after the light dinner. M goes on to explain that they were together in her hometown and that when she left they broke up...but got back together. They do the whole Skype think that's popular with most couples. I brush it off, continue to get closer to her, but I believe I missed my chance when she gave this look like she wanted to be kissed.

Not long after, mentions the tub being too hot (very horny girl perhaps?). Earlier in the day there was mention of a friend with good trees and that he would come smoke with us later. I follow her out of the jacuzzi, grab towels to dry off, and she asks what I want to do. I mention the nonexistence of a curfew and that I'm down to hang for the night. I ask what she wants. In the shyest sexiest way I haven't heard in a while, she says "I want to chill with you".

We leave the pool area and went to her room where I'd meet her shy but cute roomie. She'd looked a bit innocent, but definitely WB. She was watching a popular series about women in prison that a lot of online chicks mention in their dating profiles. M and I sit at the table where she rolls one and her buddy (a cool out of towner comes through for the smoke sesh). I engage him a bit and seems chill. I can't really pick up on his vibe much, but I didn't get a vibe that he was being a cockblock or AMOG.

After the trees are rolled we find another sweet spot outside near the pool area. Theirs a fireplace, mini couches, and other furniture that would create the illusion of an outside living room. Passing around the joint, we talking about legalization, the friend's future trip to Europe, and childhood stuff. I can't get a good read on the guy but I really can't get an idea of he's into chicks or not. Either way, still a cool dude.

My dates friend brings out a bowl and when trying to light the green I light my fucking thumb! The wind was being a bitch, but she lit it and we passed that around a bit. We attempted climbing the shed over our seating area but it was a bit rough (high shit), before going into the gym. They both had been doing laundry from early on. M and I had this thing where I'd be her fitness coach. We passed the time working out, watching a crap reality show on the tv, and conversation about fitness.

I hadn't thought about my next plan of action since the hot tub. I wasn't sure where the night was headed at all. Soon were back to her room and she offers me to use their pull out couch and a free breakfast in the morning. I take it. I undress, still in my semi-damp shorts from earlier, no shirt. We meet in the kitchen where she offers me water and fruit. I shoot for more activity before the night is done. I have her join me for a
warm-down of push ups before bed.

In another attempt at something, I ask to use the bathroom (which is connected to her room) which she's cool with. I finish, come out with her by the sink, me shirtless, looking semi aesthetically awesome. My eyes are red from the chlorine. I go back into my sleeping space for the night, thinking about what I could have done better...and all of the factors that worked against me. I watch a video by Tyler of RSD about three Ps, and began to get bored.

I'm no longer sleepy, and I have to leak again. I text to see if she's asleep but no response. I sit a while before getting up and going to her bathroom. She was out like a light and the climax of the night had been the hot tub. I'm not going to push much for us to hang out again. She's pretty cool, down to earth, and free-spirited, but I don't want to be the substitute boyfriend. I think this story has a to-be continued status at the moment. I'd like to have this girl be apart of my early harem. Not getting my hopes up, but we'll see...

(07-01-2015 11:21 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 09:26 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:26 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  Recently experiencing a dry spell of new pussy.

It's begining to really damage my self esteem/confidence and I'm becoming more thirsty and desperate.

An Enlightenment era man has much more to draw his self-esteem/confidence from than just lack of sex. Work on something that is worthy doing and keep on low alert, frequent places conducive to meeting women and so on.

Agreed, work out more, set personal goals, make more money, travel on your own.

Pussy isn't life, but it sure is a wonderful thing to have.

There is so much more to life than just that, start finding out what it is.

All of this. I strongly encourage guys to invest in something in which they are in total control of their progress and achievement. While it's certainly possible to better your results with women by working on game, its never as proportional in comparison to other activities (sports, lifting, ect).

Finding an activity that interests you (and ideally is healthy) and meeting goals with it really puts all other things in context.

When I'm surfing a wave or riding a trail, the last thing on my mind is a girl, and that release is natural and healthy... unless I'm in a line up of surfer girls , but thats another story

Wel it wasnt waste of 2 hours but it was.

Did a shoulder day, there wasn't much pain this time suprisingly.

Met up with this cute faced half Swede, who ended up being one of those with a nice top but huge bottom, think T-Rex syndrome thunder thighs.

Had 2 beers played pool, I tuned her out most of the time. I had girls eyeing me whenever she went to the restroom. So much talent and I couldn't do shit man.

She told me she liked lifting weights but didn't like cardio...but she's a defensive soccer player. Come on now.

I felt ashamed hanging with her, yeah im a dick and I said it. I didn't even bother kissing her when we said goodbye. She even sent me a follow up text.

During our meet up that cute 19 year old black girl that I nexted from my harem texted me saying she missed me.

She also called me earlier in the day. Also 2 potential dates confirmed for tommorow and my main was frustrated I hadn't responded to her texts and call.

Well at least I avoided traffic.

I need to get away from it all, 2 more days till I board a plane out of here.

Wrighter.

You need to learn to escalate my man.

You behaved like a friend not a sexually charged man.

(07-02-2015 04:06 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  Wrighter.

You need to learn to escalate my man.

You behaved like a friend not a sexually charged man.

Absolutely. Its been a while, so I definitely know what to do given another shot. I think I was being too cautious. Something told me she might have been DTF, but I made a few mistakes that could of cost me the bang (the bf question, not going for the makeout, etc). I'm just not sure if I should go for it knowing she has a bf or not, but then again...I did meet this one off tinder.

Every time I go out with a pretty white girl, I got fucking massive attention and social approval as opposed to a mixed girl.

Hottest blonde I banged, was making out with her in the creperie, the old couple next to tap my shoulder as they left “goodbye children, thanks for the entertainment” I came back with “aren’t you gonna pay for the comedy then sir?” with a smirk. Then the waiter came and offered us a round of tea/coffee for free.


I was out with my main (hot brunette with Egyptian eyes) the other day sitting by the Seine kissing, and an older hippie guy sit next to us said “You two are so beautiful together, you should really make babies. You would make the most beautiful babies in the world. Mixed children are the most beautiful. You have to!”


Fuck yeah I should make this my mission in life! Go out and fuck a lot of hot white girls, leave a trail of mixed bastards in my wake (make sure they are girls), let them grow up eating up all the leftist government resources and earn all the special privileges for being a “victim” of the patriarchy But then they can’t really do that since I’m an Asian and thus also a “victim” and Asian being anything but beta provider type just doesn’t cut it with the mass media


Best part is when my baby girls grow up they will become hot as fuck but also bitter and bitchy and they will make hell on earth for all the betas who will worship the ground they walk on while fucking bad boy biker types “you remind me so much of my father”

Best fucking legacy ever and I’m going straight to hell with style

^^^ That's some real Viet alpha talk there....

I just came across this. Game knowledge dropped in that 70's show

(07-02-2015 04:42 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 04:06 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  Wrighter.

You need to learn to escalate my man.

You behaved like a friend not a sexually charged man.

Absolutely. Its been a while, so I definitely know what to do given another shot. I think I was being too cautious. Something told me she might have been DTF, but I made a few mistakes that could of cost me the bang (the bf question, not going for the makeout, etc). I'm just not sure if I should go for it knowing she has a bf or not, but then again...I did meet this one off tinder.

First -with the rare exceptions of dinner whores, any girl who meets you from online is looking to get banged out that night, or at least make out and bang on the second date.

Second - she doesn't have a boyfriend-the guy she referred to assuming he's real, is just a placeholder. Having a boyfriend is important to a girl's self esteem and social status and to them the term boyfriend is very flexible in definition. And never, never ask a girl if she has a boyfriend, why would you do that? Looks to me like you were trying to create an excuse for you not to escalate.

Third-this girl did everything short of a high dive pussy first onto your dick and you did nothing to initiate. Why didn't you kiss her in the pool? And you were in a hot tub with her and had your arm around her and you didn't kiss her. Girls love to kiss in pools and hot tubs, it's sexy and romantic to them. She was waiting and waiting and you did....nothing. I guarantee she was frustrated that she was making herself so available to you and you failed to act. Now she either thinks you aren't attracted to her or that you are a pussy.

You are the man-nature puts the burden of being the initiator on you. Girls throw signals that they are receptive, but you are the one who must act. You can read this forum all you want, but it is useless if you fail to assert yourself sexually at crucial moments.

(07-01-2015 07:07 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  It didn't take me long to figure out what I wanted to do. I'm a photographer. I want to create art. I tell her that she will be my model for the day and that I'll be her photographer/director. After light resistance, she agrees to pose for me.

You should've figure out what you wanted to do beforehand, solid and concise plans are important.

How could any women have light resistance to getting their photo taken lol.

Quote:She sat with me on the bench, I provided her with a piece of gum (fresh breath game) and we sat close, my arm draped around her and letting her do a lot of the talking. Something was off though, she was open to me doing these things but I felt that she had been holding back. She was open but pretty reserved. We discussed what we do, adjusting the city, and life away from home. A lot of comfort and rapport building.

Always trust your gut, start asking her some decisive questions.

Quote:Earlier she had mentioned that dinner and wine would be served at her place. I was open to idea of having a few drinks, so I suggested that we head back.

Did she suggest this ? Why didn't you take the lead ?

Quote:Upon entry she was recognized by familiar faces. As she introduced me I could feel the uneasiness of them all. Before game I would of thought that they were genuinely happy to meet me but I didn't get to good of a vibe from them. I generally spoke with a middle eastern girl who was interning at the same company as my date. The majority of the people at the table looked pretty tight/conservative.

Interesting, who were these people ? Was this a company meeting ? Were they giving you odd looks or maddoging you ? Or perhaps were you visualizing this internally.

Quote:After an attempt to take my dates attention away from me, I suggest that her and I grab something to eat, she agrees. We get one of the nicest spots outside by the pool. I make jokes that she had this planned all along to make sure we had the best seat in the house. She laughs, smile, in a cute way that I like. We go back, grab a cup of wine, go back for glasses of booze. This chick ain't half bad. During dinner, we banter randomly about our 1st world problems, family, music, etc.

This is where you should of started escalating, you can't constantly build comfort and rapport, without any escalation.

Quote:As the alcohol began to kick in, my confidence took another boost. She was doing something that bothered me, and I'm quite sure would bother a lot of you guys if you were out on a date. She was texting! I wasn't upset, I was just curious of what was going on. I jokingly mentioned how I haven't touched my phone once (other than to change the music). She apologized and said that she wouldn't mind if I did (that's not it man).

Fuck that shit, I would've grabbed her phone or messed with her screen so she knows I'm serious but being funny. or "You aren't one of THOSE girls constantly on her phone"

Quote:She mention that she was ready to take a dip in the pool. At that point we had finished our drinks. I teased her "You can do the honors of removing my shirt". She gave me that knowing look, and suggested that I do it myself, ha.

We strip, jump into the pool, and it is the most freeing feeling ever. It had been awhile since I'd been to a beach, lake, or pool. I began to figure that this would be the perfect time to escalate. I had did light kino earlier at the table, observing the small sunspots on her back and the piercings in her ear. She wasn't at all uptight about it. In the pool I was at my most playful and flirtatious. I made a game of trying to pull her around the pool by her legs.

Stripped to what ? Boxers and thongs or did you both have swimsuits ? Skinny dipping is a great option here.

Quote:She was a fan of my locs and had wanted to give it a try herself. I used this to play with her hair a bit. I stood in front of her, pleased with my view. In the midst of her talking I took the change to grab her by the thighs (good pulling strategy ) and pull her off the wall. She kicked out of it playfully and escaped with her quick swimming abilities.

THIS was the perfect place to pull the trigger and kiss her man, you were both having fun, were in the water messing around, kissing her here would've been money.

Quote:As night fall officially took we noticed we a lady watching us from one of the windows of the hotel. Another window I saw for us to get closer. I suggested that we put on a performance. I pulled her to the middle of the pool and began to dance with her (the classical kind, with spins and stuff). I could tell that she was hooking quite well. At least that's what I had hoped. I think that was the closest body to body we'd had all day.

Girls love that shit, but you should've already kissed her, or if you had hell you could've said "i think it's hot when other people watch us kiss" i mean the possibilities are endless.

Quote:After the spy disappeared, we swam, and decided to go into the hot tub. It was nice seeing her ease in. I sat with my back to the jet and waited for her to settle in. More kino, with my arm draped over her shoulder, prying pine tree debris from her arm. I was on another level at this point with a confidence that couldn't be broken. More banter about relationships, tinder, and smoking was had.

You hadn't fucked this up yet, you're in a hot tub with a chick, this is another golden opportunity to kiss her. I would hardly talk about relationships, let alone Tinder.

Quote:In the smoothest way possible I ask the question that would determine just how much further things would go tonight. "So what's your...situation, married? boyfriend?" before I had gone on about long distance relationships and how they don't work. All the while I'm treating her as if we'd known each other for years, appreciating her body and company. After all, I'm a playboy exchange student.

WHY would you ask this dude !? Assume the sale, she's been with you this long, assume she's going to fuck you and go for it !

No man, you haven't known her for years, you aren't her friend, you're here to fuck her.

Quote:She says, "No, but I have a man". The shock doesn't really hit hard as all, as I've been drinking and feel quite relaxed after the light dinner. M goes on to explain that they were together in her hometown and that when she left they broke up...but got back together. They do the whole Skype think that's popular with most couples. I brush it off, continue to get closer to her, but I believe I missed my chance when she gave this look like she wanted to be kissed.

Insert jokes "funny, I don't!" "your daddy doesn't count" etc
Insert challenge "do you love him?"

The "I have a man" is a shit test dude, at least you ignored it. They're long distance, she's hanging out with you off Tinder, she's clearly wanting to cheat on him or dump him for someone in your area.

None of this scenario should of happened to begin with.

No you missed a few opportunities already to kiss her.

Quote:Not long after, mentions the tub being too hot (very horny girl perhaps?). Earlier in the day there was mention of a friend with good trees and that he would come smoke with us later. I follow her out of the jacuzzi, grab towels to dry off, and she asks what I want to do. I mention the nonexistence of a curfew and that I'm down to hang for the night. I ask what she wants. In the shyest sexiest way I haven't heard in a while, she says "I want to chill with you".

Another hint man, go in for the kill, grab her by the waist and say "is that so" or whatever, something to escalate the tension and sexual vibe.

Quote:My dates friend brings out a bowl and when trying to light the green I light my fucking thumb! The wind was being a bitch, but she lit it and we passed that around a bit. We attempted climbing the shed over our seating area but it was a bit rough (high shit), before going into the gym. They both had been doing laundry from early on. M and I had this thing where I'd be her fitness coach. We passed the time working out, watching a crap reality show on the tv, and conversation about fitness.

Why were you guys going to the gym ? That makes no sense.

This was a perfect place to eject her to her room or somewhere else at the hotel and explore alone.

Quote:I hadn't thought about my next plan of action since the hot tub. I wasn't sure where the night was headed at all. Soon were back to her room and she offers me to use their pull out couch and a free breakfast in the morning. I take it. I undress, still in my semi-damp shorts from earlier, no shirt. We meet in the kitchen where she offers me water and fruit. I shoot for more activity before the night is done. I have her join me for a warm-down of push ups before bed.

Why are you doing pushups ? Why aren't you putting on a movie or drinking more ?

Why aren't you hopping on the bed like you own the place or kissing her ?

Quote:In another attempt at something, I ask to use the bathroom (which is connected to her room) which she's cool with. I finish, come out with her by the sink, me shirtless, looking semi aesthetically awesome.

None of that matters man, you aren't making moves with her.

This is a classic case of non escalation, you need to be more aggressive, more sexual, amp it up.

You realized things weren't working but STILL didn't adjust your game, of course you didn't get laid or even a kiss.

She was openly giving you cues to come and get it.

YOU HAVE TO PULL THE TRIGGER !

P.S. get to the meat of your date, I know you like to write alot (judging from your OKC profile) keep it simple so it's easier to read and players can read it fast, you know how dudes are "TL;DR"

Remember man, don't ever be afraid to:

(07-02-2015 11:10 AM)MrXY Wrote:  You are the man-nature puts the burden of being the initiator on you. Girls throw signals that they are receptive, but you are the one who must act. You can read this forum all you want, but it is useless if you fail to assert yourself sexually at crucial moments.

Not to throw OP under the bus but these kinds of situations make me want to punch the computer screen. I go on dates, escalate the living shit out of the situation every time and many times get shot down with LMR or physically resisted. Then women throw themselves at guys like this and they do absolutely nothing.



Nothing personal Wrighter, you're asking for help and have come to the right place. It's more me venting at my own situation and having to kick, claw and fight for every notch I get.

Gotta agree with OTSC on this one I was like:



but then I was like:



Just remember it's constructive criticism we give you.

(07-02-2015 12:17 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 07:07 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  It didn't take me long to figure out what I wanted to do. I'm a photographer. I want to create art. I tell her that she will be my model for the day and that I'll be her photographer/director. After light resistance, she agrees to pose for me.

You should've figure out what you wanted to do beforehand, solid and concise plans are important.

How could any women have light resistance to getting their photo taken lol.

Quote:She sat with me on the bench, I provided her with a piece of gum (fresh breath game) and we sat close, my arm draped around her and letting her do a lot of the talking. Something was off though, she was open to me doing these things but I felt that she had been holding back. She was open but pretty reserved. We discussed what we do, adjusting the city, and life away from home. A lot of comfort and rapport building.

Always trust your gut, start asking her some decisive questions.

Quote:Earlier she had mentioned that dinner and wine would be served at her place. I was open to idea of having a few drinks, so I suggested that we head back.

Did she suggest this ? Why didn't you take the lead ?

She did. I took the lead in deciding to go back (change venue)

Quote:Upon entry she was recognized by familiar faces. As she introduced me I could feel the uneasiness of them all. Before game I would of thought that they were genuinely happy to meet me but I didn't get to good of a vibe from them. I generally spoke with a middle eastern girl who was interning at the same company as my date. The majority of the people at the table looked pretty tight/conservative.

Interesting, who were these people ? Was this a company meeting ? Were they giving you odd looks or maddoging you ? Or perhaps were you visualizing this internally.

These were interns that worked at the same company as her. All of them from out of town. They were having dinner. They were giving me odd looks, especially after she mentioned how we met on the app. She told me that she noticed their reactions as well.

Quote:After an attempt to take my dates attention away from me, I suggest that her and I grab something to eat, she agrees. We get one of the nicest spots outside by the pool. I make jokes that she had this planned all along to make sure we had the best seat in the house. She laughs, smile, in a cute way that I like. We go back, grab a cup of wine, go back for glasses of booze. This chick ain't half bad. During dinner, we banter randomly about our 1st world problems, family, music, etc.

This is where you should of started escalating, you can't constantly build comfort and rapport, without any escalation.

Absolutely. I was still a bit cautious. All of the signs were there for me to escalate, but I pussied out.

Quote:As the alcohol began to kick in, my confidence took another boost. She was doing something that bothered me, and I'm quite sure would bother a lot of you guys if you were out on a date. She was texting! I wasn't upset, I was just curious of what was going on. I jokingly mentioned how I haven't touched my phone once (other than to change the music). She apologized and said that she wouldn't mind if I did (that's not it man).

Fuck that shit, I would've grabbed her phone or messed with her screen so she knows I'm serious but being funny. or "You aren't one of THOSE girls constantly on her phone"

I considered it, I wasn't aggressive. I was a bit too chill. Something to work on.

Quote:She mention that she was ready to take a dip in the pool. At that point we had finished our drinks. I teased her "You can do the honors of removing my shirt". She gave me that knowing look, and suggested that I do it myself, ha.

We strip, jump into the pool, and it is the most freeing feeling ever. It had been awhile since I'd been to a beach, lake, or pool. I began to figure that this would be the perfect time to escalate. I had did light kino earlier at the table, observing the small sunspots on her back and the piercings in her ear. She wasn't at all uptight about it. In the pool I was at my most playful and flirtatious. I made a game of trying to pull her around the pool by her legs.

Stripped to what ? Boxers and thongs or did you both have swimsuits ? Skinny dipping is a great option here.

We stripped to swimwear. I had trunks (which later we found to be ripped. She pointed that out.) Skinny dipping would of been fun, but still had staff walking around a bit.

Quote:She was a fan of my locs and had wanted to give it a try herself. I used this to play with her hair a bit. I stood in front of her, pleased with my view. In the midst of her talking I took the change to grab her by the thighs (good pulling strategy ) and pull her off the wall. She kicked out of it playfully and escaped with her quick swimming abilities.

THIS was the perfect place to pull the trigger and kiss her man, you were both having fun, were in the water messing around, kissing her here would've been money.

I honestly don't know what stopped me, shit would have been perfect. I think it was fear of my advance being rejected.

Quote:As night fall officially took we noticed we had a lady watching us from one of the windows of the hotel. Another window I saw for us to get closer. I suggested that we put on a performance. I pulled her to the middle of the pool and began to dance with her (the classical kind, with spins and stuff). I could tell that she was hooking quite well. At least that's what I had hoped. I think that was the closest body to body we'd had all day.

Girls love that shit, but you should've already kissed her, or if you had hell you could've said "i think it's hot when other people watch us kiss" i mean the possibilities are endless.

That was my first option, in my head it was "don't scare the cat" without recognizing all the signs point to an almost sure thing. Still lacking sexual aggressiveness.

Quote:After the spy disappeared, we swam, and decided to go into the hot tub. It was nice seeing her ease in. I sat with my back to the jet and waited for her to settle in. More kino, with my arm draped over her shoulder, prying pine tree debris from her arm. I was on another level at this point with a confidence that couldn't be broken. More banter about relationships, tinder, and smoking was had.

You hadn't fucked this up yet, you're in a hot tub with a chick, this is another golden opportunity to kiss her. I would hardly talk about relationships, let alone Tinder.


I believe she initiated the convo on that topic. I wasn't strategic here. I kind of went with the flow. My plan was to go for the make out but I think my question would cost me.

Quote:In the smoothest way possible I ask the question that would determine just how much further things would go tonight. "So what's your...situation, married? boyfriend?" before I had gone on about long distance relationships and how they don't work. All the while I'm treating her as if we'd known each other for years, appreciating her body and company. After all, I'm a playboy exchange student.

WHY would you ask this dude !? Assume the sale, she's been with you this long, assume she's going to fuck you and go for it !

It was actually more joking than a serious question. I knew she was young and couldn't possibly be married, as she came here on her own. Still this was a big fuck up.

I think I was a bit in my head, looking for all the signs to go for it. This was the beta in me that I hadn't rid myself of. All of the signs to escalate and go for it had to be confirmed by the right answer...as I thought she was single to begin with. I still can't get over how big I messed up.

No man, you haven't known her for years, you aren't her friend, you're here to fuck her.


You're right. She never mentioned us being "just friends" or referenced at all during our date. I was too fresh to recognize it all.

Quote:She says, "No, but I have a man". The shock doesn't really hit hard as all, as I've been drinking and feel quite relaxed after the light dinner. M goes on to explain that they were together in her hometown and that when she left they broke up...but got back together. They do the whole Skype think that's popular with most couples. I brush it off, continue to get closer to her, but I believe I missed my chance when she gave this look like she wanted to be kissed.

Insert jokes "funny, I don't!" "your daddy doesn't count" etc
Insert challenge "do you love him?"

That would of been a good way to bounce back. I didn't choose to challenge it but dismiss it. I still failed to take advantage of the situation. I lost my edge after the she admitted that.

The "I have a man" is a shit test dude, at least you ignored it. They're long distance, she's hanging out with you off Tinder, she's clearly wanting to cheat on him or dump him for someone in your area.

I think her ASD kicked in after she answered my question. I mention how LDRs don't work and she agreed. I just didn't take the window to capitalize. Slight fear of rejection.

None of this scenario should of happened to begin with.

No you missed a few opportunities already to kiss her.

I agree.

Quote:Not long after, mentions the tub being too hot (very horny girl perhaps?). Earlier in the day there was mention of a friend with good trees and that he would come smoke with us later. I follow her out of the jacuzzi, grab towels to dry off, and she asks what I want to do. I mention the nonexistence of a curfew and that I'm down to hang for the night. I ask what she wants. In the shyest sexiest way I haven't heard in a while, she says "I want to chill with you".

Another hint man, go in for the kill, grab her by the waist and say "is that so" or whatever, something to escalate the tension and sexual vibe.


I think I missed a detail here. She mentioned having to Skype her dude. Though she was still fine with me coming up. I could of took advantage of her giving me the green light, but my mind was still on the whole BF thing.

Quote:My dates friend brings out a bowl and when trying to light the green I light my fucking thumb! The wind was being a bitch, but she lit it and we passed that around a bit. We attempted climbing the shed over our seating area but it was a bit rough (high shit), before going into the gym. They both had been doing laundry from early on. M and I had this thing where I'd be her fitness coach. We passed the time working out, watching a crap reality show on the tv, and conversation about fitness.

Why were you guys going to the gym ? That makes no sense.

This was a perfect place to eject her to her room or somewhere else at the hotel and explore alone.

She had been doing laundry and we had the third wheel. The plan was to check out the gym while the laundry finished. I wasn't leading at this point. I was a bit out of the loop.

Quote:I hadn't thought about my next plan of action since the hot tub. I wasn't sure where the night was headed at all. Soon were back to her room and she offers me to use their pull out couch and a free breakfast in the morning. I take it. I undress, still in my semi-damp shorts from earlier, no shirt. We meet in the kitchen where she offers me water and fruit. I shoot for more activity before the night is done. I have her join me for a warm-down of push ups before bed.

Why are you doing pushups ? Why aren't you putting on a movie or drinking more ?

Why aren't you hopping on the bed like you own the place or kissing her ?

The push ups was a kiss escalation idea I had. I told her to come at an angle where she was facing me, but that didn't work so well. She was probably confused and wasn't feeling it after that.

Quote:In another attempt at something, I ask to use the bathroom (which is connected to her room) which she's cool with. I finish, come out with her by the sink, me shirtless, looking semi aesthetically awesome.

None of that matters man, you aren't making moves with her.

This is a classic case of non escalation, you need to be more aggressive, more sexual, amp it up.

You realized things weren't working but STILL didn't adjust your game, of course you didn't get laid or even a kiss.

She was openly giving you cues to come and get it.

YOU HAVE TO PULL THE TRIGGER !


I agree 100%, its been a while since I've been out and given a pretty good shot like this. I didn't take advantage of all of the game knowledge because I hadn't been infield enough to make it all happen. A lot of the signs had become almost foreign to me. I got away with so much but i still didn't take it to another level because I was afraid of being rejected.

P.S. get to the meat of your date, I know you like to write alot (judging from your OKC profile) keep it simple so it's easier to read and players can read it fast, you know how dudes are "TL;DR"

Remember man, don't ever be afraid to:

I'm going to try again with this one. I still have other leads but I'm hoping this one ain't completely dead. She'll be back on Sunday, so there is potential for a day 2.

Its been bothering me for a minute now, trying to figure out how I fucked up, but seeing this has put it all in perspective.

I know given a second shot, I'd be able to pick up where I left off, but seeing similar reports, I'd probably be pushing my chances. I'll keep everyone up to date with this one.

(07-02-2015 12:18 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 11:10 AM)MrXY Wrote:  You are the man-nature puts the burden of being the initiator on you. Girls throw signals that they are receptive, but you are the one who must act. You can read this forum all you want, but it is useless if you fail to assert yourself sexually at crucial moments.

MrXY, this is one of the things I failed with at the more crucial moments during the date. I forgot about how we should watch for actions over words. She was open to my kino, but I didn't escalate.

Not to throw OP under the bus but these kinds of situations make me want to punch the computer screen. I go on dates, escalate the living shit out of the situation every time and many times get shot down with LMR or physically resisted. Then women throw themselves at guys like this and they do absolutely nothing.



Nothing personal Wrighter, you're asking for help and have come to the right place. It's more me venting at my own situation and having to kick, claw and fight for every notch I get.

I kind of went into it all a bit cold. This was my first post-game date that I've been on since my LTR and I fucked it up. Everything I had read about was happening, I couldn't pull the trigger. I had been thinking about it for a while now. I knew a lot should of happen that didn't.

(07-02-2015 12:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Gotta agree with OTSC on this one I was like:



but then I was like:



Just remember it's constructive criticism we give you.

I'm all open to constructive criticism. Its better I know where I went wrong, than to repeat the same mistakes.

Regardless of whether you see this girl or not this is tremendous learning experience for you. Like my dad used to say "experience is what you get when you don't get what you want." Don't be shocked if she ghosts on you, most women nowadays, especially from online give you 1 chance and your game must be beyond airtight. But either way, keep working and you'll quickly improve.

This one stoner chick that works at the Jimmy Johns next to my favorite cigar lounge that I frequent calls out to me from her shop after a quick smoke. Usual hey what's up conversation as it's been a while. Next thing I know she calls up her co-worker that she told about me.

Fuck me eyes within 10 seconds of sizing me up/flirting and the other two slightly less attractive co-workers start eyeing me too. Had to leave but I guess I know which Jimmy Johns I'll be going to soon enough.

Edit: Further proof suburbs might be a good place to day game as these girls usually don't get a good dicking. Especially since they are home from college.