I say a good mix of online and offline aren't bad to have. My offline leads go cold as well. Its not talking on the phone like it used to be in the early 2000s and the 90s. I'd rather get that person on the phone, facetime, skype, plan for a meet and then boom(bang!).

I've tried a few of my leads from online and some from offline and all are cold after one or two checkup text. Some of these girls I should have followed up on a while ago (mostly cold approach #s). So don't necessarily think its one or the other. Both can be great and both can be bad at times. I think the idea is to have options.

(06-18-2015 06:46 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  @checkmat are you getting their number and texting them first before proposing the meetup? It may be too much of a jump to go straight from the app to meetup. It's like the old yes ladder concept in sales.

Most of the time I'm getting the number, yes.

(06-14-2015 10:29 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 10:04 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  Got a new regular but fear I set a bad precedent.

In the span of a few dates I've paid for every thing this bitch has put in her mouth. From entrees to drinks to taco bell ("I'm hungry") and food from my house. This chick has not said "thank you" once. She has never offered to pay a dime.

I have to stop this wallet abuse. I don't want to make a formal statement so I think the next time she asks me to get her food or drinks or something I'm gonna say, "No. It's not in the budget."

Which is sort of true because I do have a budget and I'm working on getting out of debt.

She is in school and makes like $50 per week part-time.

Anyone been in a similar situation where you let things slide early on too much?

Next time you're out try saying "this ones on you" with a smirk. Or if you have to order and pay at the same time, order and pay for only your food.
If it's a combined cheque ask the waiter/cashier if you can split it.
Lastly just don't eat yourself, say you're not hungry.

Either way it's a bad precedent to set early on and you need to break it. I have a 19 year old plate who I'll pay for sometimes because shes studying and doesn't earn much but I still make her pay her share most of the time.

Combination of listening to Black Phillip a lot this week and your advice led to some interesting results.

Had text convo with the chick in question today. She was telling me how she got straight A's this semester at her school and that "we should have a drink tomorrow to celebrate!"

my antennae perked up and I responded "sure your treat this time "
she kind of balked in surprise initially. I texted her that it was my fault and responsibility for letting the precedent get off to a bad foot early on regarding paying for her drinks and food. she said ok fine and I expected some brooding and silence from her.

What I wasn't expecting was 5 minutes later she was saying she wanted to take me out to her favorite sushi restaurant and wear a dress for me (she said previously she hates wearing dresses).

Just goes to show that women respect and want you to set boundaries and not take their shit. They're happier and like you more when you treat them like the greedy little kids that they are. Keep your pimp hand strong.

Lost one of my fuck buddies recently.

Happened pretty much because I tried to connect with her with words instead of my penis.

On the other hand, got a cute foreign girls number with a date planned.
Going to hit up the clubs tomorrow night.

(06-18-2015 07:09 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 10:29 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 10:04 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  Got a new regular but fear I set a bad precedent.

In the span of a few dates I've paid for every thing this bitch has put in her mouth. From entrees to drinks to taco bell ("I'm hungry") and food from my house. This chick has not said "thank you" once. She has never offered to pay a dime.

I have to stop this wallet abuse. I don't want to make a formal statement so I think the next time she asks me to get her food or drinks or something I'm gonna say, "No. It's not in the budget."

Which is sort of true because I do have a budget and I'm working on getting out of debt.

She is in school and makes like $50 per week part-time.

Anyone been in a similar situation where you let things slide early on too much?

Next time you're out try saying "this ones on you" with a smirk. Or if you have to order and pay at the same time, order and pay for only your food.
If it's a combined cheque ask the waiter/cashier if you can split it.
Lastly just don't eat yourself, say you're not hungry.

Either way it's a bad precedent to set early on and you need to break it. I have a 19 year old plate who I'll pay for sometimes because shes studying and doesn't earn much but I still make her pay her share most of the time.

Combination of listening to Black Phillip a lot this week and your advice led to some interesting results.

Had text convo with the chick in question today. She was telling me how she got straight A's this semester at her school and that "we should have a drink tomorrow to celebrate!"

my antennae perked up and I responded "sure your treat this time "
she kind of balked in surprise initially. I texted her that it was my fault and responsibility for letting the precedent get off to a bad foot early on regarding paying for her drinks and food. she said ok fine and I expected some brooding and silence from her.

What I wasn't expecting was 5 minutes later she was saying she wanted to take me out to her favorite sushi restaurant and wear a dress for me (she said previously she hates wearing dresses).

Just goes to show that women respect and want you to set boundaries and not take their shit. They're happier and like you more when you treat them like the greedy little kids that they are. Keep your pimp hand strong.

Great to hear that you've put this relationship on the right track. Although it sounds like you were a bit blunt about it. I would have just subtly changed my behavior not stated it so obviously, however it seems to have worked so all good. Just be aware that her taking you to her favourite restaurant and wearing a dress may be part of a ploy to get you to pay. Make sure you maintain frame and only pay half, don't succumb to her tricks.

(06-18-2015 07:27 PM)ClintTalks Wrote:  Lost one of my fuck buddies recently.

Happened pretty much because I tried to connect with her with words instead of my penis.

On the other hand, got a cute foreign girls number with a date planned.
Going to hit up the clubs tomorrow night.

Can you elaborate please.

I think I'm about to lose one soon, but rather because of a lack of connection.

(06-19-2015 08:35 AM)Silva Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 07:27 PM)ClintTalks Wrote:  Lost one of my fuck buddies recently.

Happened pretty much because I tried to connect with her with words instead of my penis.

On the other hand, got a cute foreign girls number with a date planned.
Going to hit up the clubs tomorrow night.

Can you elaborate please.

I think I'm about to lose one soon, but rather because of a lack of connection.

First off from experience, just because she's a fuck buddy doesn't mean she'll stick around.

BUT if she's a fuck buddy in your harem, obviously you've got strong frame, she sees what she likes, but she knows the deal between you two.

Clint it sounds like you were catching feelings and trying to connect with her.

In Silva's case it's more than likely because she wants more than being a FB, "I don't feel like we're connecting" "you're distant"

I'd like to hear both your stories. I recently got rid of 2 girls in harem because I didn't want to harm them any further emotionally since they seemed like nice girls, wayyy to many jaded bitches in this world already.

The thing with fuck buddies are:
-They need to know their place
-They don't need emotion - just a good time.
-Highly sexualized atmosphere.
-They can leave at any time
-They might catch feelings

You should ALWAYS be prepared to next one or not feel bad if they eject.

This is where abundance mentality comes into play.

There are plenty of girls out there

I had been on a bit of a dry spell and was sick of Tinder. I have been pushing myself to approach in real time.

Left crossfit today and went to a nearby restaurant to get food. I see a good looking girl in the corner. Remembering that I made a commitment to approach any and all attractive girls I see without a guy with them, I approach.

It goes well and I join her and we get to talking. She's Russian and is very receptive to my approach. She tells me that she is going to an event that night and invites me. She gives me her number and we agree to meet later that night.

I pick her up on my motorbike and we go to the date location. The location is Surfhouse in Phuket. We get drinks and she goes and changes into her swimsuit as she wants to do the surf machine. It's lady's night so she gets to surf for free.

She's done surfing and we finish our drinks and talk. I have my arm around her and am engaging in touching very early on. She wants to go to this other bar in Phuket but it doesn't open until about midnight and so she suggests we go to another location first.

We go to another location and get some food. The place is dead. We are talking and everything is going very well. However, I do remember from Roosh's Bang that it's a bad idea to take a girl to get food as the food makes her tired and not/less horny. This is exactly what happened. Although the date was going well and she was receptive to my touching, she started telling me that she was very tired and that she wanted to go home. I pull my standard, "come back to my place and watch a movie" but she declines.

We drive back and we arrive at her place. Also remembering from Bang, I ask to "use her bathroom." She says no. I push. She says ok but then says no again, that her "room is messy." I say I don't care and she delivers another no. She says there is a bathroom in the lobby. I go in for the kiss and she gives me cheek. Go in again, and get cheek again. We walk into the lobby and she goes up to her place and I use the toilet in the lobby.

Conclusion:

I started going through the night and putting all the pieces together. I'm not down on myself as I see the approach as a victory in and of itself. I have been bad at solely relying on tinder for dates and bangs so I'm at least glad I approached.

She seemed very interested in seeing me again and asked me what I was doing the next day. However, I have come to the awareness that there are absolutely NO guarantees and to never assume anything, especially assuming that a bang is in the bag before it occurs. I could very well never see her again.

One thing I am disappointed about is the fact that I didn't even get a makeout. Should I have insisted that we go to the other bar at midnight as we had originally planned?

to be continued...

@mrbiggs
Playing hard to get she doesn't want to put out on the first date. From what my mother tells me and the girls from back home in Russia including ones stateside I have been with, a lot don't want to put out on the first date to be considered a long term option.

Try for date two and try to angle it into something where she'll come back to your place. You'll be fine especially if she wants to see you again. General rule of thumb if any woman wants to see you again of her own accord after she has kissed you she's DTF in a date or two dates tops. After that just abandon ship.

Also don't read Bang like a textbook make it seem more natural and use it as a loose guide and heed its warnings. Roosh's style of game isn't for everyone but it's to get you started. Just don't be like every other simp buying her shit or constantly flattering her/talking to her about serious subjects.

So I went to a boat party with some friends last night and they blocked the shit out of me.
One guy tries but doesn't necessarily pull and he's always trying to degrade me. Sometimes it fun/funny but when we're with girls it's annoying as fuck. He basically blocks everyone and then doesn't even get laid and plays it off like he's got better shit to do or something. Ugh
The next guy basically just hates women, I agree with him a lot of the time and I try to encourage him to accept the way things are and function within it. To no avail. His attitude turns girls away. Ugh
Guy three: fun as fuck, scared of women, gets drunk as hell and says awkward shit. Passes out, never pulls. Ugh
I'd prefer to just roll solo but it's a little intimidating even though I've had success with it. It's like I just prime myself to go out by myself and at the last minute I call these knuckle heads (they're good friends, they just make it unnecessarily hard to get pussy).
I haven't found any guys (yet) who are single and have the same mindset as me.

(06-19-2015 02:35 PM)Rage_on Wrote:  I haven't found any guys (yet) who are single and have the same mindset as me.

I've got the same problem. I know I just need to man up and go solo, but it'd be nice to have a decent wingman now and then.

Sometimes I want to get an easy button to have in my room next to my bed so I can push it every time I get a girl with almost no work.

(06-19-2015 12:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  First off from experience, just because she's a fuck buddy doesn't mean she'll stick around.

BUT if she's a fuck buddy in your harem, obviously you've got strong frame, she sees what she likes, but she knows the deal between you two.

Clint it sounds like you were catching feelings and trying to connect with her.

In Silva's case it's more than likely because she wants more than being a FB, "I don't feel like we're connecting" "you're distant"

I'd like to hear both your stories. I recently got rid of 2 girls in harem because I didn't want to harm them any further emotionally since they seemed like nice girls, wayyy to many jaded bitches in this world already.

The thing with fuck buddies are:
-They need to know their place
-They don't need emotion - just a good time.
-Highly sexualized atmosphere.
-They can leave at any time
-They might catch feelings

You should ALWAYS be prepared to next one or not feel bad if they eject.

This is where abundance mentality comes into play.

There are plenty of girls out there

With this particular girl, we've been seeing each for a few months now and it has always been a strictly casual thing i.e. she comes straight over to my house, we fuck, and she leaves. Although she hasn't explicitly stated that she wants anything more than being a FB, nor has she said the things you mentioned - "you're distant" etc. But I do feel she is about to leave soon though, don't know how long she can handle casual sex with very little emotional support.

She does know the deal in the sense that I'm seeing other girls, and I know that she is dating other guys - she was talking about some tinder dates she went on etc.

You mention that the girls in the FB category don't need emotion, which I think is true in come instances i.e. short term. BUT if you want to keep he around for a longer period, a lack of emotion/showing her that you actually enjoy her company, is needed for them to stay around longer. Thoughts?

(06-19-2015 12:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(06-19-2015 08:35 AM)Silva Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 07:27 PM)ClintTalks Wrote:  Lost one of my fuck buddies recently.

Happened pretty much because I tried to connect with her with words instead of my penis.

On the other hand, got a cute foreign girls number with a date planned.
Going to hit up the clubs tomorrow night.

Can you elaborate please.

I think I'm about to lose one soon, but rather because of a lack of connection.

First off from experience, just because she's a fuck buddy doesn't mean she'll stick around.

BUT if she's a fuck buddy in your harem, obviously you've got strong frame, she sees what she likes, but she knows the deal between you two.

Clint it sounds like you were catching feelings and trying to connect with her.

In Silva's case it's more than likely because she wants more than being a FB, "I don't feel like we're connecting" "you're distant"

I'd like to hear both your stories. I recently got rid of 2 girls in harem because I didn't want to harm them any further emotionally since they seemed like nice girls, wayyy to many jaded bitches in this world already.

The thing with fuck buddies are:
-They need to know their place
-They don't need emotion - just a good time.
-Highly sexualized atmosphere.
-They can leave at any time
-They might catch feelings

You should ALWAYS be prepared to next one or not feel bad if they eject.

This is where abundance mentality comes into play.

There are plenty of girls out there

Good tips on fuck buddies. I was definitely congruent with all of those except "they can leave at any time". Sure they can, but I didn't want that to happen and it probably showed.

I like getting to know people.
Then again, when a girl has nothing interesting to talk about, don't force the words out of her mouth. Just give her a good time.

She was "busy" with work, so we only fucked 3 times over a span of a month.
I tried pushing for more because I'm a horny mofo, but instead I should have been getting more girls in rotation.

She saw tinder on my phone, but I can't come up with any reasons why that would push her away. Just putting it out there.

How do you get a girl to be a fuck buddy?

I took a girl home from the club last weekend, after dealing with all sorts of cockblocking and issues that night and not going out in months before that, just that was an achievement for me. its made me realise I need to do this more often. but I don't really know how to make plans to see her again.

I texted her a few times after, some boring stuff but she was interested in my job, but then she stopped replying. I then waited a couple days, and sent her a message asking if she's going out or seeing me saturday night.. maybe a bit out there, but I thought I'd try sending something a bit bold, as she liked that side of me when I pulled her, and was thinking maybe I'd gone too nice.

No reply.

Most likely this was just a one night stand and thats it now, but how do I stop this happening in the future..? or is this a regular thing that I will have to get used to? do girls just get shy and embarresed after one night stands and not want to see you again?

(06-20-2015 09:39 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  How do you get a girl to be a fuck buddy?

I took a girl home from the club last weekend, after dealing with all sorts of cockblocking and issues that night and not going out in months before that, just that was an achievement for me. its made me realise I need to do this more often. but I don't really know how to make plans to see her again.

I texted her a few times after, some boring stuff but she was interested in my job, but then she stopped replying. I then waited a couple days, and sent her a message asking if she's going out or seeing me saturday night.. maybe a bit out there, but I thought I'd try sending something a bit bold, as she liked that side of me when I pulled her, and was thinking maybe I'd gone too nice.

No reply.

Most likely this was just a one night stand and thats it now, but how do I stop this happening in the future..? or is this a regular thing that I will have to get used to? do girls just get shy and embarresed after one night stands and not want to see you again?

Sometimes, no matter what, girls will flake on you even after the bang. So don't worry about it.

On the other hand, I've found if you fuck her really well, she WILL want to see you again, and she will be chasing you.

In your situation, I would just ping her a few days later acting like nothing happened and go from there, but from her non-response, seems like she's not interested.

Meanwhile, focus on getting other girls - in my opinion the core of this game is spinning plates/having abundance.

Quit the job texts.

Seriously.

There are a million threads on here about how to handle this better.

Ok, just thought it would be good to bring it up in the most popular thread on game, while we're on the subject.

Ha.. she just wanted to know what kind of teaching I did and I told her.. Although it did kill the text conversation dead. Sent her a lighthearted joke text a few days later and nothing. Oh well.

Yeah I've had the same experience with girls in bed.. if its good the first time, everything is easy after that, and shes dying to see me again.

This time... I'm ashamed to say, haha not so good. I was knackered, finished early, went again, but by that time of morning I was lacking in much passion and I could not get her to come, i havent had that since my first gf.. she gave good head though, and was really into me the whole time, before and after... But it made things a bit awkward the next day. I want to get a chance to at least fuck this one properly! what's the point in going to all this effort otherwise?

I guess you're probably right I should have fucked her better! damn. Oh well I will make sure I am on it next time!
When I was a teenager, I did not know how to fuck a girl properly, but with a girl I just met who's a little bit shy in bed like this one... I sometimes wonder, what is acceptable and what is not...? hair pulling yes. spanking her? nah. moving her into position. yes. forcing her to give me head, no.

What sort of shit do you think is acceptable to do in bed with a girl you just met?

So my ex who I haven't spoken to in nearly 2 years just pops up on Facebook messenger at half 11 on a Saturday night.

Funny how they all come crawling out the woodwork once they hear about how well you're doing and what a stud you've become (small city)

Just spoke to her for the last couple hours. Bitch was dropping bait left right and center.

I guess I'lI indulge for old times sake fuck it she is still pretty hot. I feel like I got the knowledge and experience now to handle this. I know I'm not going to catch feelings and to be fair she ain't crazy or nothing she's just a high maintenance egotistical little whore.

Here we go...

I went out solo tonight for four hours. I didn't pull but I had a great fucking time! Met tons of chicks and approached more difficult (in my mind at least) sets than I have before. Great night.

"Owen" from rsd said something that stuck: "YOU are responsible for your own positive emotions". Fuck ya! There have been nights that I've pulled and I've still been miserable because I have embraced so much negative thinking. I'm sure there're tons of threads about the power of positive thinking when it comes to game but it can't be stressed enough, and I'm kind of working it out for myself.

Negative thoughts have no purpose even if they're true. I.e. "I'm broke". What the fuck good does that do? It should be "taken captive" and replaced with "I'm fucking killing life" or something fucking sweet like that.

^^^^ I'm not saying the fact that you're broke should be ignored. Im just saying that there isn't any circumstance that has the right to affect your emotional well being.
It's like if some bitch tells you your breath stinks buy a fucking toothbrush and move on. No reason to feel bad about it.

(06-20-2015 03:44 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  Ok, just thought it would be good to bring it up in the most popular thread on game, while we're on the subject.


When I was a teenager, I did not know how to fuck a girl properly, but with a girl I just met who's a little bit shy in bed like this one... I sometimes wonder, what is acceptable and what is not...? hair pulling yes. spanking her? nah. moving her into position. yes. forcing her to give me head, no.

What sort of shit do you think is acceptable to do in bed with a girl you just met?

I wasn't criticising you for mentioning it...just don't do it again


As for the sex thing, push it as far as you can. Limiting beliefs will limit you.

Got laid yesterday (night between friday and saturday) by a 20 year old romanian student in my small town of 30.000 people in Denmark. Lay number 84.

I must say that i really liked her feminine smile, and her body was very nice with very nice big firm tits. She had hair on the pussy though, and I have only encountered few girls who had hair above the vagina, but we had sex in the dark so it was only an feeling of hair, not the sight of it. Is this common in romanian girls?

a lot of LMR, but i used some LMR tactics of turning on the light, blowing out the candles, and even going back to her friends to tell them that she was with me.. And also, dirty talking..

But it was easy to get her to my appartment because I live just 3-4 minutes of walking away from the bars and clubs. Just told her we would get back to the club again after drinking some coffee and red wine.

My confidence is also up again since I have lost 15 kilos since christmas and I have also build some muscle. even though i could get laid while fat, the instant attraction seems a lot easier now with a better looking body. She complimentet me saing i was muscular.. even though i'm not that muscular.

used condom but it was all right.

(06-21-2015 06:41 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(06-20-2015 03:44 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  Ok, just thought it would be good to bring it up in the most popular thread on game, while we're on the subject.


When I was a teenager, I did not know how to fuck a girl properly, but with a girl I just met who's a little bit shy in bed like this one... I sometimes wonder, what is acceptable and what is not...? hair pulling yes. spanking her? nah. moving her into position. yes. forcing her to give me head, no.

What sort of shit do you think is acceptable to do in bed with a girl you just met?

I wasn't criticising you for mentioning it...just don't do it again


As for the sex thing, push it as far as you can. Limiting beliefs will limit you.

Yes limiting beliefs will limit you. But there is a limit.. or would you suggest taking a girl home, then tying her up and blindfolding her.. and then each single time you take a girl home, you try to push that limit? lol you're not worried they won't be into that?

Cool Makaveli, nothing wrong with a some hair man, totally normal, as long as its not out of control, I don't mind it at all. Don't worry about it.

Been texting two girls off OkCupid for a week or so.

Found out they're friends, hang out a lot and all that.

Played it off that it was a small world and I enjoy talking to them both.

I had already been gravitating toward one more, so I'll continue to do so.

Anybody else run into that kind of problem?