Post: #76

Anyone who writes for ROK and sees this: this would make a perfect article (like original article calling out mattress girl) where ROK could stand out by telling the truth that the media aren't telling. Like Samseau just wrote, this does make you stop and think that there is a strong anti-cop and let's-start-a-race-war agenda in the mainstream media, but these are also opportunities to stand for truth and begin getting more people on our side.

As people realize they're being lied to, they'll stop looking at things like WaPo, NYTimes, CNN, and others. It appears that this post has shown four different Facebook posts of people who live there (which can probably be verified) that are saying the media are lying.

Post: #77

As a guy who doesn't call the cops for anything, I find the neighborhoods behavior pussy like!

Just let the kids tire themselves out and grab some insurance cash if anything happens to your property.

Post: #78

So all you guys who were doing some "fly by your pants judging" and deemed the actions of the police wrong and the actions of the teenagers appropriate, what is your take now?

Hint, a man can accept when he makes mistakes.

Post: #79

(06-08-2015 12:43 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I think to put things into perspective we need to see how it is in other countries similar to ours. People in other Western countries are really taken aback when they see things like this because their cops are not nearly as aggressive. I doubt a cop would straight shoot someone with a screwdriver in Canada, France or Germany.

The former head of the UK Metropolitan police (Greater London) is critical of US Policing

He's referring to this incident.

Quote:Former British police official disputes US police rationale for killing armed suspect

Ex-deputy commissioner of London’s Metropolitan police takes issue with New Jersey police saying they had ‘no choice’ but to kill man armed with a knife

A former senior police officer in Britain, where officers are typically not armed, has disputed the common explanation from US law enforcement that they had “no choice” but to shoot dead civilians who had knives or were unarmed.

Lord Brian Paddick, an ex-deputy assistant commissioner of London’s Metropolitan police who is now a politician in the House of Lords, took issue with arguments such as that used in recent days by James O’Connor, the police chief of Lyndhurst, New Jersey, who said his officers had to kill 36-year-old Kevin Allen when he reportedly charged at them with a utility knife in a public library on Friday.

Of the situation in Britain, Paddick told the Guardian: “If unarmed officers encounter someone who is armed with a knife who is threatening them, they would hold back and call for armed support. The armed officers would probably deploy Tasers in the circumstances rather than resorting to lethal force in the first instance.”

It would be common practice to call in officers trained in the use of riot shields, not guns, even if, as was reportedly the case with Allen, the individual was going berserk. “The fact that the British police are largely unarmed does not make that much difference [from the US situation] … It’s established practice for officers trained in using riot equipment to contain and subdue armed suspects [holding knives] using a plastic shield,” he said.

“There are alternatives to shooting someone armed with a knife,” he added.

“If someone’s life is in danger there is the option to use CS spray or batons. All officers are equipped with stab-proof vests. If someone has gone berserk and they are in possession of a knife, officers have a duty to try to contain them to make sure they do not escape, in which case they would try to use CS spray and batons,” he said.

“But if the circumstances would allow it, they would try to contain the individual and wait for properly equipped officers.”

The officers involved in the encounter with Allen on Friday used pepper spray and deployed their batons on Allen to no avail as he charged at them, according to Friday’s account at a press briefing by Lyndhurst police chief O’Connor.

Residents of the small town of 20,000 in northern New Jersey who spoke to the Guardian three days after the shooting were generally supportive of the action the police had taken, in what they said was a violent encounter out of character for Lyndhurst.

There have been no details supplied about whether there were Tasers available to the officers in the library or their colleagues based at the town police department, which is in the same building.

O’Connor said that on Friday his officers had “no choice” but to kill Allen.

“He brandished the knife,” he said of Allen, immediately after the officers had tried pepper spray and their batons to subdue him.

“Mr Allen still went after them aggressively and left them no choice but to deploy deadly force. There was nothing else they could have done,” said O’Connor.

But Paddick challenged that explanation in this and similar occasions of use of deadly force by police on suspects who are not armed with a knife, not a gun.

“There quite clearly is a choice. There are other tactics that can be used short of lethal force where people are armed with a knife,” he said.

Police in St Louis in April 2015 said they had no other option but to shoot dead a man with a knife.

A similar explanation was given in another police shooting last year, also in the St Louis area and involving a man with a knife.

Here's UK Police dealing with guys with a knives:

Post: #80

(06-08-2015 04:15 PM)Kickb Wrote:  As a guy who doesn't call the cops for anything, I find the neighborhoods behavior pussy like!

Just let the kids tire themselves out and grab some insurance cash if anything happens to your property.

Then you haven't lived in the United States of America.

Anyone knows that whenever a Black guy or a Hispanic guy shows up in a white neighborhood, all the people in that neighborhood are looking through their windows and if the guy doesn't leave fast enough, the cops will be called, I can assure you of that.

Quick story. A while back when I was still a teen, my family bought a house in a white neighborhood in the suburbs and we moved in. If you know anything about suburbs in America, you'll know that they have a basketball hoop on the driveway. I recall calling my cousins over to come play some basketball, and whenever we formed a group and started playing I recall our new neighbors looking out through their window and I even caught one shaking his head. The sight of a few Mexican guys playing basketball outside their home in that neighborhood scared the hell out of our mostly white neighbors. We would get called on by the cops all the time, gladly they've all been respectful to us, but would often end our parties because according to neighbors we were "too loud."

I even recall another time when another neighbor across the street was trying to sell his house and he put it up for sale, so he had potential buyers going to see his house. He came by our house one day and was begging us to please not play basketball outside our home from 2-6pm because he feared we would scare away buyers, and my father told him to fuck off. The guy did eventually sell his house though.

Don't underestimate the "pussyness" I guess of Americans calling the cops whenever something looks suspicious in their eyes.

As far as the topic is concerned, I'm on team anti-bad cop.

Post: #81

at people just now realizing the media is deliberately distorting facts to stir up racial tension.

If you didn't catch on with Trayvon, Michael Brown and Baltimore...well...I guess better late than never.

Post: #82

(06-08-2015 05:47 PM)scorpion Wrote:   at people just now realizing the media is deliberately distorting facts to stir up racial tension.

If you didn't catch on with Trayvon, Michael Brown and Baltimore...well...I guess better late than never.

The media distortion was blantant then, but this is whole new level man. They are paying kids to invade neighborhoods just so they can provoke reactions from the cops, then they have the media give false stories afterwards?

The conspiracy is covered bottom to top now. At least with Trayvon, Brown, and Gray it was a legit altercation that the media spun into a frenzy, now the "people in charge" are creating incidents? This is fucking crazy, they could send the entire country into a race war if they keep this up.

Post: #83

Stories like this just reinforce my belief that the police should be completely disarmed - not for any functional reasons, but because it makes for far more entertaining tactical displays.

The video of the man with the screwdriver getting shot was, to be frank, sad and predictable. If the police weren't armed however, it might have gone more like this:



Now, if we're going to watch youtube videos and role-play as cops ("they should have handled it like this" etc.), I know which would make for a more interesting thread. No more of the tired "why can't they just shoot him in the leg" canard, it'd be "was changing up into third gear really necessary? It was only a knife" vs. "good riddance, they should have reversed over him".

Post: #84

(06-08-2015 05:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:47 PM)scorpion Wrote:   at people just now realizing the media is deliberately distorting facts to stir up racial tension.

If you didn't catch on with Trayvon, Michael Brown and Baltimore...well...I guess better late than never.

The media distortion was blantant then, but this is whole new level man. They are paying kids to invade neighborhoods just so they can provoke reactions from the cops, then they have the media give false stories afterwards?

The conspiracy is covered bottom to top now. At least with Trayvon, Brown, and Gray it was a legit altercation that the media spun into a frenzy, now the "people in charge" are creating incidents? This is fucking crazy, they could send the entire country into a race war if they keep this up.

At this time, this seems to be one of the few possible explanations for this. You have a bunch of kids that invade a neighborhood, are uninvited, start causing trouble, and someone has a video camera that is conveniently turned on where the viewer isn't alerted to all the trouble these kids are causing, and then we see three cops who appear to be overreacting. Then we see facebook posts by people who live in the community, but the media are ignoring, who tell a story that contradicts what the media are saying. Why would 200 uninvited kids suddenly show up in a neighborhood and start causing trouble. Maybe this is normal in the Dallas area?

That being said, I agree with scorpion that the media don't surprise me in how low they're willing to lie (mattress girl was shocking too).

Post: #85

Damn if you do damned if you don't. When black guys get shot and it becomes a big story, it's claimed the media are stirring up trouble. When the media was using old footage of the so called knockout game, the same folks said it was a big media cover up and the problem was much bigger than they let on. So is it really just the media, or are people picking a position (usually based on race and the social conditions of race in their world) and blindly cheering a team?

Post: #86

(06-08-2015 07:54 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  Damn if you do damned if you don't. When black guys get shot and it becomes a big story, it's claimed the media are stirring up trouble. When the media was using old footage of the so called knockout game, the same folks said it was a big media cover up and the problem was much bigger than they let on. So is it really just the media, or are people picking a position (usually based on race and the social conditions of race in their world) and blindly cheering a team?

Its a little bit of both. Remember when OJ Simpson got acquitted with murder almost 20 years ago. The reactions were completley different with the "racial" groups. Blacks were totally on OJ's side, while the Whites were with the murder victims side. American social conditioning for you.

Post: #87

This is quite easy to set up, McKinney has a lot of school kids. They invite their buddies from Plano, Frisco, Princeton and you got a group right there. Blacks tend to roll together by themselves or with the white kids since the white kids are trying to be cool and wannabe thuggish.

Shit, we used to do things like these back in my days as a kid over in Frisco (the McKinney of the 2000s). We would get together with a couple of white girls, they would call their friends (both genders), we got the brewski or two, they would provide the neighborhood pool or their parent's home while they were at work. One or two brought some pot and we all had a good time together. Blacks, Hispanics, Whites, poor and rich. The only time shit happened was when someone was not cool with their "girl" getting jiggy.

We would turn a group of 10 into 30 easily, start in North Dallas and go to Frisco/Plano, which would attract the attention of the local popo. They couldn't do shit for the most part other than tell us "y'all need to leave or will be arrested. people are complaining about a disturbance. It's trespassing"......Nigga please, 20% of the group lived in the same subdivision and invited us. They tried searching us but couldn't find anything. Funny thing, the cops would always go in groups and never alone....they pussed out.

Shit, good thing there were no female cops. Some cougar cop I fucked a while back said she would use her weapon on a man more likely than a woman. Why? "Because men are heavier than me and can take me down more easily".

The worse part? She works, in the Police department next door to McKinney's.

All I can say is, if you don't live in Dallas......better say nothing.

Post: #88

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015...bdivision/

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/0...xas-story/

Degenerate culture begets degenerate people.

Post: #89

(06-08-2015 06:02 PM)Ocelot Wrote:  Stories like this just reinforce my belief that the police should be completely disarmed - not for any functional reasons, but because it makes for far more entertaining tactical displays.

The video of the man with the screwdriver getting shot was, to be frank, sad and predictable. If the police weren't armed however, it might have gone more like this:



Now, if we're going to watch youtube videos and role-play as cops ("they should have handled it like this" etc.), I know which would make for a more interesting thread. No more of the tired "why can't they just shoot him in the leg" canard, it'd be "was changing up into third gear really necessary? It was only a knife" vs. "good riddance, they should have reversed over him".

The Spanish police know how to take a guy out without firing a shot (action is at the 0:50 mark):

Post: #90

The comments on this forum when it comes to police are either naive, ignorant or out of touch reality. As a BLACK man who has masters degree paid his way through college (G.I. bill) and who has a clean record, i "still" get pulled over and asked questions. Thing is i drive like a grandmother, i'm more afraid of other drivers than i. The guy who was killed with the screw driver was a mentally ill/suicide call. which means the officers should have come in with the expectation of a person not prepared to obey orders. Also as far as the black girl whose face was shoved into the ground, it still shows that the officer was unprofessional in keeping a calm mind. End result is police need to be people with higher responsibility and professionalism than many other professions, same as soldiers, doctors and teachers.

Post: #91

I simply believe the police until evidence comes out saying they were wrong.

Post: #92

(06-08-2015 05:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:47 PM)scorpion Wrote:   at people just now realizing the media is deliberately distorting facts to stir up racial tension.

If you didn't catch on with Trayvon, Michael Brown and Baltimore...well...I guess better late than never.

The media distortion was blantant then, but this is whole new level man. They are paying kids to invade neighborhoods just so they can provoke reactions from the cops, then they have the media give false stories afterwards?

The conspiracy is covered bottom to top now. At least with Trayvon, Brown, and Gray it was a legit altercation that the media spun into a frenzy, now the "people in charge" are creating incidents? This is fucking crazy, they could send the entire country into a race war if they keep this up.

I don't think they are paying to create incidents (yet), but they never miss an opportunity to rile up people with slanted news coverage. That is for sure.

Post: #93

I think the police should have a big net that they can use on people like screwdriver guy. Think outside the box rather than just 'sub-100% compliance means death or maiming' like a psycotic thug.

Post: #94

(06-09-2015 02:26 AM)Easy E Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:47 PM)scorpion Wrote:   at people just now realizing the media is deliberately distorting facts to stir up racial tension.

If you didn't catch on with Trayvon, Michael Brown and Baltimore...well...I guess better late than never.

The media distortion was blantant then, but this is whole new level man. They are paying kids to invade neighborhoods just so they can provoke reactions from the cops, then they have the media give false stories afterwards?

The conspiracy is covered bottom to top now. At least with Trayvon, Brown, and Gray it was a legit altercation that the media spun into a frenzy, now the "people in charge" are creating incidents? This is fucking crazy, they could send the entire country into a race war if they keep this up.

I don't think they are paying to create incidents (yet), but they never miss an opportunity to rile up people with slanted news coverage. That is for sure.

I've not seen any evidence that anyone was paid to cause this disturbance.

But liberal shit stirrer George Soros did fund a good chunk of the protests in Ferguson and Baltimore and I am sure he will look for more opportunities. The more the middle and lower classes fight over scraps at the table, the more elite billionaires like him can stuff in their pockets. Their feminist/liberal agenda is the perfect agenda to drive them even more money they can never spend.

Post: #95

(06-09-2015 02:50 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  I think the police should have a big net that they can use on people like screwdriver guy. Think outside the box rather than just 'sub-100% compliance means death or maiming' like a psycotic thug.

I have long advocated magic wands and pixie dust as a viable alternative. A good freezing spell has all incapacitative benefits of a hollow point to the chest, without any of the mess.

Post: #96

(06-09-2015 02:26 AM)Easy E Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:47 PM)scorpion Wrote:   at people just now realizing the media is deliberately distorting facts to stir up racial tension.

If you didn't catch on with Trayvon, Michael Brown and Baltimore...well...I guess better late than never.

The media distortion was blantant then, but this is whole new level man. They are paying kids to invade neighborhoods just so they can provoke reactions from the cops, then they have the media give false stories afterwards?

The conspiracy is covered bottom to top now. At least with Trayvon, Brown, and Gray it was a legit altercation that the media spun into a frenzy, now the "people in charge" are creating incidents? This is fucking crazy, they could send the entire country into a race war if they keep this up.

I don't think they are paying to create incidents (yet), but they never miss an opportunity to rile up people with slanted news coverage. That is for sure.

(06-09-2015 02:53 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 02:26 AM)Easy E Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:47 PM)scorpion Wrote:   at people just now realizing the media is deliberately distorting facts to stir up racial tension.

If you didn't catch on with Trayvon, Michael Brown and Baltimore...well...I guess better late than never.

The media distortion was blantant then, but this is whole new level man. They are paying kids to invade neighborhoods just so they can provoke reactions from the cops, then they have the media give false stories afterwards?

The conspiracy is covered bottom to top now. At least with Trayvon, Brown, and Gray it was a legit altercation that the media spun into a frenzy, now the "people in charge" are creating incidents? This is fucking crazy, they could send the entire country into a race war if they keep this up.

I don't think they are paying to create incidents (yet), but they never miss an opportunity to rile up people with slanted news coverage. That is for sure.

I've not seen any evidence that anyone was paid to cause this disturbance.

But liberal shit stirrer George Soros did fund a good chunk of the protests in Ferguson and Baltimore and I am sure he will look for more opportunities. The more the middle and lower classes fight over scraps at the table, the more elite billionaires like him can stuff in their pockets. Their feminist/liberal agenda is the perfect agenda to drive them even more money they can never spend.

You guys aren't reading very carefully.



This post was from a BLACK WOMAN. Look at the family in the picture. She says the kids are being paid to receive the tweets! Anyone who thinks this is about race is being played for a sucker.

The media keeps feeding into the hysteria though:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/0...VJ20150609

Quote:Protesters seek firing of Texas officer who threw girl to ground

Hundreds marched through the Dallas-area city of McKinney on Monday calling for the firing of a police officer seen in a video throwing a bikini-clad teenage girl to the ground and pointing his pistol at other youths at a pool party disturbance.

McKinney Police Corporal Eric Casebolt has been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation of how he responded to the disturbance on Friday in the city about 30 miles north of Dallas, an incident that has raised fresh questions about racial bias in U.S. policing.

Casebolt, who is white, is seen shouting obscenities at black youths in a multiracial crowd, shoving a black teenage girl, briefly pointing his gun at African-American youths and throwing the girl in her bathing suit, who is black, to the ground, burying his knees in her back.

"We are demanding that the officer be fired and be charged with assaulting the youth," said Dominique Alexander, the president of the Next Generation Action Network, which helped organize the rally.

About 800 people took part in the peaceful rally, carrying signs demanding an end to police brutality and calling for police accountability.

So if this cop gets fired, what will cops do in the future when they need to defend innocent people? Either they can help the people and get fired or they won't do their jobs and be fired. Or the cops will quit altogether. Just as in Baltimore with violent crime skyrocketing now it's going to happen all over the nation. As a response residents will arm themselves with tons of guns and ammo and start killing criminals themselves.

Then there will be more media backspin claiming how racist Americans are for killing "black people" who are actually just career criminals. This will fuel racial tension until you've got private militias and people telling the federal government to fuck off. Eventually people from major media corporations will be shot at as well once people figure out they are liars.

This has nothing to do with race even though it appears to be for 95% of regular folks. Really sad at how Americans are being duped like fools. A deliberate engineering of race wars. Incredible.

Post: #97

Even ZeroHedge is attempting to mislead readers, without at least highlightig the other side from residents who live there. I've offered ZH an alternative view of things, which would feature people in the community. I'll update this post if they agree; ZH does feature guests posts from time to time.

Post: #98

http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/06/vid...ore-130115

Quote:Those who were not invited guests were rightfully denied access by the pool management, and many of these refused to comply with this lawful denial of access.

Of those denied access, some number began to scale the fence surrounding the pool, thus affirmatively becoming illegal trespassers subject to arrest.

Combine that existing violent environment with scores of trespassers who refused to comply with even the simplest police orders, such as to disperse or sit down, and the potential for a tragic loss of innocent live becomes evident.

Quote:Gestner also reports that the the purported children at the purported pool party were drinking alcohol and “smoking weed,” and also that some of the mob returned to McKinney the following night (Saturday), at which time they were “kicking in people’s front door, stole a truck and crashed it into many vehicles. They vandalized dozens of cars and were stealing things.”

So, that’s some of the context into which the police found themselves immersed when they were dispatched to the scene in response to resident 911 calls.

Doesn’t much sound like simply some children having a pool party, does it?

Quote:At this point in the video, however, while Casebolt is still trying to lawfully subdue the still resisting Bectom he is rushed by two males who are at least the officer’s size. The video shows no other officers in the immediate vicinity. The two males can be seen first on the right side of the screen, one wearing an aqua-colored ball cap, the other holding an aqua-colored shirt.

Even absent the remaining crowd (which is, of course, relevant, as mobs are dangerous), the mere fact that Casebolt is being charged by two males his size creates a disparity of force situation that justifies him in escalating his use of force to the deadly force level.

Indeed, the deliberate conduct of these two males in placing Casebolt in reasonable fear of death or grave bodily harm constitutes an aggravated assault on a police officer. This is a felony in all states, and in most is punishable by as much as 15 years in prison.

It is at this point, struggling to subdue a non-compliant suspect, facing two younger males rushing at him from the flank, that Casebolt reasonably perceives a potentially deadly force attack and goes to his pistol.

The two male attackers see the gun, and turn and flee. Casebolt neither shoots nor pursues, but other officers responding to the scene do initiate a pursuit and capture at least one of the attackers.

All of this is perfectly lawful conduct by Casebolt under the totality of the circumstances, and well within both his training and the law.

My advice? If you don’t want a cop to point his pistol at you, don’t rush him while he’s subduing a suspect.

Period.

Indeed, the two male attackers should count themselves fortunate that Casebolt was so slow on the trigger. With his attackers at that close proximity he would have been entirely warranted in shooting them both.

Sounds like the people who actually live there would choose distasteful and heavy handed policing over anarchy and crime in their backyard. Are they all racist too?

Post: #99

(06-09-2015 07:44 AM)Samseau Wrote:  You guys aren't reading very carefully.

(06-09-2015 07:44 AM)Samseau Wrote:  She says the kids are being paid to receive the tweets! Anyone who thinks this is about race is being played for a sucker.

Actually, I think its you that is misreading that FB post. Granted, it is not written very clearly, but I think she is saying that the kids on the list pay the kid who keeps the list to be on it. So the kid with the list texts out when there are going to be parties or whatever, and the other kids pay him to be on the list and get the party invites.

Post: #100

(06-09-2015 02:50 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  I think the police should have a big net that they can use on people like screwdriver guy. Think outside the box rather than just 'sub-100% compliance means death or maiming' like a psycotic thug.

I found a net the police might be interested in.